KISS Are Shite

[RobTheCradle]

Abuse 'em here!

[binnie]

Woah!

Kiss have certianly been a shadow of their former selves since the mid-80's, and any integrity they once had has been lost by $immon$ constant flogging of tat.

However, back in the 70's they were a deadly band, great record after great record of feel good hard rock.

Ace Frehely is cool as fuck, "Alive" is possibly the greatest live record ever and Stanely vocals were great.

You can abuse em all you like in the present, but their legacy is stella....

[Cato]

they are one of the bands who should break up at once. pathetic.

[Golden AWe]

Is Gene's demon mask actually a painting of a nipponese devil? :cato:

[Golden AWe]

I bet Paul keeps less underarm hair than the girl in Cato's signature.

[Cato]

I think Paul transplanted his pubic hair to his head.

[Cato]

I heard Gene can lick his own asshole.

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by Cato
I heard Gene can lick his own asshole.

He can lick Paul? :rofl:

[Cato]

Originally posted by Golden AWe
He can lick Paul? :rofl:
hell yes. he can lick everything, even his own tongue.

and binnie posts everywhere.:rolleyes:

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by Cato
hell yes. he can lick everything, even his own tongue.

and binnie posts everywhere.:rolleyes:

I don't know if you got my amazing joke.

"he can lick his own asshole"

paul=asshole gene owns

maybe it just wasn't so funny.

[Cato]

Originally posted by Golden AWe
I don't know if you got my amazing joke.

"he can lick his own asshole"

paul=asshole gene owns

maybe it just wasn't so funny.
ah, you must be smart. I should have thought of it more.

[Mr Badguy]

This thread is SHITE.

[RobTheCradle]

Peter Criss has noodle arms.

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
This thread is SHITE.

Why do you hate Cato so much? :(

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Golden AWe
Why do you hate Cato so much? :(

Because.

[Golden AWe]

I think it's about penis envy. Not the size thing, as we know he's japanese, but the color thing.

[Terry]

KISS through 1978 were one of my fave bands of all time.

Now, they fuckin' SHOULD just call it a day.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Terry
KISS through 1978 were one of my fave bands of all time.

Now, they fuckin' SHOULD just call it a day.

No doubt my friend. Although I love Creatures and LIU.....they've done nothing but follow trends since.

[binnie]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
No doubt my friend. Although I love Creatures and LIU.....they've done nothing but follow trends since.

You liked Creatures?

I tried but I just couldn't get into it....

[RobTheCradle]

Peter Criss is a homeless, living under a bridge! Hahaha.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by binnie
You liked Creatures?

I tried but I just couldn't get into it....

It`s a good album.

Apart from Paul`s histrionic "I still love you".

That`s balls.

[Terry]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
No doubt my friend. Although I love Creatures and LIU.....they've done nothing but follow trends since.

I've got three of the four 1978 solo albums (never had any interest in Paul's), Dynasty, Unmasked and Creatures in my collection, but those are spotty efforts...

I suppose post-Creatures that parts of Lick It Up, Animalize and the bulk of Revenge were tolerable, but in contrast to what the band did from their first album to Alive 2, the rest of the catalog by and large just fell short of the mark for me.

Thought the classic lineup reforming in 1996 made a lot of sense and it was initially done with taste and class. Psychocircus was a poor effort, and not even necessary, as KISS was one of those bands that just getting back together and performing the 70s stuff with the 70s stageshow experience was ENOUGH, you know?

The reunion tour was extended way too long, with Ace and Pete dropping in and out of the band for a time, being replaced by Singer and Thayer in the makeup and costumes, and the whole thing just descended into farce for me.

Suppose as long as people keep wanting to see it, Simmons and Stanley will keep going out as KISS, regardless of Frehley and Criss being there or not, but I just don't have any interest in the contemporary status of the band.

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by binnie $immon$
Why not just Simmons?
He told Metal Edge, "We have more money than we know what to do with."

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
No doubt my friend. Although I love Creatures and LIU.....they've done nothing but follow trends since.

I would say KI$$ was a solid band, if they were more style than substance, until Ace finally crapped out by 1981-82. The first two makeupless efforts "Lick It Up" and "Animalize" I like enough to pull out of the bargain bin, but that's about it.

I wouldn't mind seeing them on another "farewell tour" if they got Ace and Peter back, but dressing two guys in the spaceman and cat costumes is beyond pathetic.

[Vinnie Velvet]

THIS THREAD IS SHITE.

Say what ya want about KISS today (we all agree they suck),

but watch the new KISSOLOGY DVD, 1974-1977, and you'll hear and see why this band once RULED the world.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Cato
I think Paul transplanted his pubic hair to his head.

I think he uses ass hair for eyebrows.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/361/stanleysteamersmallua8.jpg

[indeedido]

OK, I'll step up. Some of you half ass KISS fans will sit idle. KISS from beginning through Dyansty rocks. All the solo albums but Peter's are good. You didn't buy Paul's? What the fuck is wrong with you? Solo albums are not meant to be like the band's albums. Ace's rocks. Paul's rocks. Gene's is eclectic. Alive II rocks. Rock n Roll over is my fav. Creature's even at 1982 is great. I love Creature's. Now, I do not care much for '80s KISS, Hot in the shade is about as bad as it gets. But 74-82 fucking rocks. Period. If you don't like it, fine. Your perogative. But like any card carrying KISS Army member, I say fuck you.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by indeedido
OK, I'll step up. Some of you half ass KISS fans will sit idle. KISS from beginning through Dyansty rocks. All the solo albums but Peter's are good. You didn't buy Paul's? What the fuck is wrong with you? Solo albums are not meant to be like the band's albums. Ace's rocks. Paul's rocks. Gene's is eclectic. Alive II rocks. Rock n Roll over is my fav. Creature's even at 1982 is great. I love Creature's. Now, I do not care much for '80s KISS, Hot in the shade is about as bad as it gets. But 74-82 fucking rocks. Period. If you don't like it, fine. Your perogative. But like any card carrying KISS Army member, I say fuck you.

YEAH! :)

http://www.kissfanshop.de/Photos/articles/PopPortraitKisslive1975.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

I'm no KI$$ Army motherfucker...

But they did indeed rock from 1974-1982...

[SparkieD]

Originally posted by indeedido
OK, I'll step up. Some of you half ass KISS fans will sit idle. KISS from beginning through Dyansty rocks.

I wouldn't even stop at Dynasty. Unmasked and The Elder are really good albums, too. Different, but different does not necessarily equal bad.

[DrMaddVibe]

Unlike most here, I can find a really good song on each and every album (including all of their solo efforts!) and still go to see them regardless of the line-ups.

Ace was stellar and Criss a rocking thunder on a drum kit, but if you can't show up for studio time and concerts able to put on a show that only Kiss can put on, then I say they're all replaceable and "good for them"! I don't want to see Ace Frehley with a Wilma Flinstone hairdo throwing a guitar at another bandmate. I don't want to see Peter with a neckbrace being propped up by 3 roadies behind a kit either!

Kiss is a money making machine that needs to run on all cylinders. It was always about the live show and in that effort they've NEVER let me down. They've taken more chances with their music than most and they really don't care if you buy it or not, because they know you'll go see them when they come to your town. Nobody has been able to capture their live show..NOBODY! It was always 1 part circus, 1 part titty bar, 1 part 4th of July and a large dose of rock n' roll! What they've done under the Kiss moniker is what most artists would kill for. I say "rock on!" throwing up horns a plenty!

[Steve Savicki]

I like "Heaven's on Fire" and "Crazy Nights."
Though not as much, for some reason, "Tears are Falling" was in my head recently.

[SilvioDante]

Kiss was cool until:

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If doens't prove that Paul is gay... I don't know what does...

[binnie]

Originally posted by SilvioDante
Kiss was cool until:

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If doens't prove that Paul is gay... I don't know what does...


Ha Ha, he's gotta be, hasn't he!

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by SilvioDante
Kiss was cool until:

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If doens't prove that Paul is gay... I don't know what does...

If you wanted to put something off of "Unmasked" or his new solo effort, I might agree. Instead, all I hear is Ace Frehley shreadding it up.

[SparkieD]

Originally posted by RobTheCradle
Abuse 'em here!

While I agree their music of late has not equaled what it once did, it doesn't seem fair to be abusing them here. I mean, if it weren't for KISS, this site just might not have ever existed.

Kind of makes ya respect ol' Gene, huh?

[binnie]

I bet most men would trade places with Gene. You might hate him, but who wouldn't want his lifestyle?

[Terry]

I can see where some may say the band was decent up until and including Animalize, but by the time Unmasked came out, it was all over.

Dynasty saw the band still selling records and filling up arenas, but the combination of that poofy Kissco/disco single following on the heels of Kiss Meets The Phantom Of The Park set them on the downward spiral.

They made a brief stab at returning to form with Creatures, but after that they contented themselves with drivel. Sure, there were one or two decent cuts on each release following Animalize, but one or two decent cuts don't cut it in terms of making a decent album.

But they were the bees' knees in the mid to late 1970s. That can never be taken away from them.

Would I like to have Gene's money? Yes. Bagged as many babes as he did? You betcha, but he's still a cunt.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by SparkieD
I mean, if it weren't for KISS, this site just might not have ever existed.


You know, I've never really thought about it like that. Fuck, if it wasn't for Gene, VH would have probably never cut a demo!
:rolleyes:

[Terry]

Originally posted by SparkieD
While I agree their music of late has not equaled what it once did, it doesn't seem fair to be abusing them here. I mean, if it weren't for KISS, this site just might not have ever existed.

Kind of makes ya respect ol' Gene, huh?

If Gene had actually gotten them signed and recorded an album with them, maybe one could make that assertion...

As it was, Gene made a demo with them, took them to meet Bill Aucoin (who promptly told them he was too busy promoting the soon-to-be next-big-thing Piper [Billy Squier's last group before he went solo]), and that was pretty much it.

Gene stirred up some of the interest in the band that was already there, but I'm not QUITE ready to jump on the "Gene discovered Van Halen, thus we owe him a debt of gratitude" bandwagon...not because I don't like Gene (which I don't) and want to deny him credit, but because it would be giving him credit he wasn't due...

Having said all that, I'd still like to stick it in Shannon Tweed's hiney.

[Tiki-Tom]

Originally posted by Terry
If Gene had actually gotten them signed and recorded an album with them, maybe one could make that assertion...

As it was, Gene made a demo with them, took them to meet Bill Aucoin (who promptly told them he was too busy promoting the soon-to-be next-big-thing Piper [Billy Squier's last group before he went solo]), and that was pretty much it.

Gene stirred up some of the interest in the band that was already there, but I'm not QUITE ready to jump on the "Gene discovered Van Halen, thus we owe him a debt of gratitude" bandwagon...not because I don't like Gene (which I don't) and want to deny him credit, but because it would be giving him credit he wasn't due...

Gene was a piece of the puzzle very early on. That in and of itself is deserving of some credit IMO. A lot of the song's on that very demo were reworked and ended up on vinyl. Once again "a piece of the puzzle"

You are likely right that Gene didn't "discover", make or break VH but he did believe in them enough to shop them around. Asshole or not, I think that's worth some prop's thrown Gene's way.

[SparkieD]

Anybody can go out and record a demo. I'm sure there are millions of demos laying around collecting dust-'some' of them from really good bands that deserve a break. Point is, Gene believed in VH enough to offer his at-the-time very valuable connections. His help might not have been needed, but since none of us were there, we can only speculate. You didn't need to be there to know his help didn't hurt:rolleyes:

[Terry]

Originally posted by SparkieD
Anybody can go out and record a demo. I'm sure there are millions of demos laying around collecting dust-'some' of them from really good bands that deserve a break. Point is, Gene believed in VH enough to offer his at-the-time very valuable connections. His help might not have been needed, but since none of us were there, we can only speculate. You didn't need to be there to know his help didn't hurt:rolleyes:

I'll buy that...except for the rolling of the eyes at the end. THAT was very hurtful :rolleyes:

[SparkieD]

Originally posted by Terry
I'll buy that...except for the rolling of the eyes at the end. THAT was very hurtful :rolleyes:

Oh, how could I be so cruel?http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/sad/mecry.gif

http://smilies.vidahost.com/ups/layla_phoenix/boobies.gifThere, there, is that better?:D

[DylanLeeRoth]

Um Kiss God Made Rock n Roll is amazing song. Just for that song I love KISS.

[RobTheCradle]

This thread rules!
KISS are shite!

[Terry]

Originally posted by SparkieD
Oh, how could I be so cruel?http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/sad/mecry.gif

http://smilies.vidahost.com/ups/layla_phoenix/boobies.gifThere, there, is that better?:D

Yes:splooge:

[Mr. Vengeance]

I'm a big fan and I can't say that there's any album I dislike, but I'm not really too fond of The Elder. And I wasn't thrilled with Carnival of Souls.

I agree that I Still Love You from Creatures is hard to take. I always cringe in concert when he starts it up. Fortunately last time I saw them, he did an abbreviated version of the song.

[Tiki-Tom]

Not very crazy for much post Creatures era Kiss but they have had a good song or two since then. I really liked Unholy, Burn Bitch Burn, come to think of it, I'm having a hard time thinking of very many.

Kind of funny when you go back and listen to things you used to think sounded decent and they really sound like shit. I guess the title song from that pile of steaming shit Psycho Circus wasn't half bad, but that's because it sounds like a leftover from the Love Gun era.

[SparkieD]

Originally posted by Terry
Yes:splooge:

http://www.mazeguy.net/surprised/shocked.gifDown Boy! Go take a cold shower!

[svrwthr]

Kiss started the ultimate lighted stage show and effects we see today.

If it weren't for Gene taking a certain bands demo and getting them signed, we probably wouldn't be talking about reunions.

Kiss was an inspiration for most all bands out there.

Kiss does though, need to go back to Detroit rock city and stop thinking about the New York groove.

Lastly, I'd bang Genes wife.

[SparkieD]

Originally posted by svrwthr
Kiss started the ultimate lighted stage show and effects we see today.

If it weren't for Gene taking a certain bands demo and getting them signed, we probably wouldn't be talking about reunions.




Hmm, good point. Glad you read the previous posts and paid such close attention:D

[Mr. Vengeance]

Originally posted by Tiki-Tom
, Burn Bitch Burn, .

I believe this is Paul's least favorite KISS tune. He talked about it during the KISS Konvention Tour just before they did the Unplugged show.

[svrwthr]

Originally posted by SparkieD
Hmm, good point. Glad you read the previous posts and paid such close attention:D


I read them and repeated it over and over stating what we already know beatch :P

http://www.websophist.com/ThreadRocksMO.jpg

And no matter how un rock this is, IT STILL KICKS ASS even if a little faggy

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[svrwthr]

Spamming. bite me. Kiss ROCKS

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A one of the best songs and drum solos from The Hottest Band In The West

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[Terry]

Originally posted by SparkieD
http://www.mazeguy.net/surprised/shocked.gifDown Boy! Go take a cold shower!

That never helps...least not me...I think I need some anti-viagra...

A picture of Oprah's minge would suffice.

[SparkieD]

Originally posted by Terry

A picture of Oprah's minge would suffice.

Ugh! Only a sick, sick mind could come up with thathttp://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sick/sick0025.gif

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
I believe this is Paul's least favorite KISS tune. He talked about it during the KISS Konvention Tour just before they did the Unplugged show.

Funny he didn`t pick on of his own.

This is the man who wrote such pieces of shit as:

Easy as it seems
I still love you
Thrills in the night
I`ll fight hell to hold you (my own pick for worst Kiss song)
Forever (with MICHAEL BOLTON)
I pledge allegiance to the state of Rock n Roll (Surely the shittiest and cheesiest song title of all time)

To name but a few.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Funny he didn`t pick on of his own.

This is the man who wrote such pieces of shit as:

Easy as it seems
I still love you
Thrills in the night
I`ll fight hell to hold you (my own pick for worst Kiss song)
Forever (with MICHAEL BOLTON)
I pledge allegiance to the state of Rock n Roll (Surely the shittiest and cheesiest song title of all time)

To name but a few.

I believe it was the lyrical content that Paul disliked.

I like Paul's stuff generally much more than Gene's. Never understand people who dislike Paul's solo album, yet like Gene's and Peter's. Of course, Ace's ROCKED THE HELL OUT!

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
I believe it was the lyrical content that Paul disliked.

Yes, but I`ve never heard Paul critisize any of his own stuff.

He`s not a very self effacing guy.

There must be something that he has wrote that he thinks is poor but you`ll never hear him admit it.

That`s fair enough but people who live in glass houses shouldn`t throw stones.

He has something negative to say about just about everybody who has ever been in Ki$$, especially the original members.


I like Paul's stuff generally much more than Gene's. Never understand people who dislike Paul's solo album, yet like Gene's and Peter's. Of course, Ace's ROCKED THE HELL OUT!

Got to disagree here.

Paul`s album showed a one dimensional songwriter whilst everyone elses really stretched out.

Out of the four I rate it as the weakest.

[Tiki-Tom]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy

Got to disagree here.

Paul`s album showed a one dimensional songwriter whilst everyone elses really stretched out.

Out of the four I rate it as the weakest.

I think your right. Gene, Peter, and Ace seemed to enjoy the chance to do something different than the kiss sound and that vibe comes across on their records. Paul just sounds kind of lost and unsure of himself on his.
Call me crazy but after Ace I really dig the Peter Criss one. He always sounded like he was lovin his time on the mic, even when he was singing in Kiss. That enthusiasm he (and Ace) had made the music that much better.

[binnie]

Pauls new record is shit.

I don't there's any debate there.

Better than Gene's last one though....

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by binnie
Pauls new record is shit.

I don't there's any debate there.

Better than Gene's last one though....

I disagree! At least with Gene's there were 2 semi-decent songs. Paul's newest is just fucking awful! As much as I wanted to go see Paul in a small club setting...I didn't want to hear him playing ANYTHING from that new shit...and I'm a HUGE kiss fanatic!

[Mr. Vengeance]

I can't even FIND Paul's new album in Canada. No one, and I mean NO ONE has it stocked.

As for the solo albums from the 70's...Peter's was just SHIIIIIIT, in comparison. So wimpy and boring.

[Tiki-Tom]

Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
I can't even FIND Paul's new album in Canada. No one, and I mean NO ONE has it stocked.

Uhm, I wonder why? Being album of the year and all.


Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
As for the solo albums from the 70's...Peter's was just SHIIIIIIT, in comparison. So wimpy and boring.

Wimpy? Yeah right. As opposed to Gene and Paul's much heavier ones. We are talking Kiss here. Great band but heavy (barring a hand full of songs) Kiss have never been.

That said, Peter was just doing the kind of music he liked. Not trying to make a Kiss record. Some liked the result, some didn't. His second solo one (Out of Control) kicked even more stinky SHIIIIIT than the first IMO.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Paul's album was second. Gene's third. Peter's dead last. I can't even think of a tune on Peter's that I liked. I can say that at least he didn't sing a freaking Disney tune on his album, but that's about it.

Was Out of Control the album where he had half his face in makeup and the other half clean? Because that sucked balls too.

[Terry]

Originally posted by Mr. Vengeance
Paul's album was second. Gene's third. Peter's dead last. I can't even think of a tune on Peter's that I liked. I can say that at least he didn't sing a freaking Disney tune on his album, but that's about it.

Was Out of Control the album where he had half his face in makeup and the other half clean? Because that sucked balls too.

I seem to remember Out Of Control was the one where the cover had a bunch of records flying out of a jukebox. Think the one with the face half makeup/half not came much later...I wanna say as late as the early 1990s.

Never got to hear Out of Control, but I've always enjoyed Pete's 1978 solo effort. The least KISS-like of them all, but he had some neat stuff on it. Just a fun record with some goofworthy moments and nothing really essential on it...kinda reminded me of Keith Moon's mid-1970s solo effort in those aspects of it.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Originally posted by Terry
I seem to remember Out Of Control was the one where the cover had a bunch of records flying out of a jukebox. Think the one with the face half makeup/half not came much later...I wanna say as late as the early 1990s.

Never got to hear Out of Control, but I've always enjoyed Pete's 1978 solo effort. The least KISS-like of them all, but he had some neat stuff on it. Just a fun record with some goofworthy moments and nothing really essential on it...kinda reminded me of Keith Moon's mid-1970s solo effort in those aspects of it.

That's right. That was Out of Control. I can't say I ever heard much of it.

[Tiki-Tom]

Out of Control Came out in 1980 and was even farther away from the Kiss sound. He experimented with the 50's rock sound he grew up on-the same direction he was going on his first solo effort but even more so. If you don't like the first one, you definitely won't like the second. If you do, it's worth checking out. His third, Let Me Rock You, is worth a mention, too. After that it's downhill for the ol' Catman.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Pete's album was okay -- some neat, groovy tunes on there.

Not typical KISS whatsoever. The only thing making it "KISS" was that it had Peter's makeup face on the cover and the KISS logo in the upper right hand corner.

I actually like "That's the Kinda Sugar Papa Likes". LOL!!

Yeah, I do.

Go ahead, make fun of me. :D

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
I actually like "That's the Kinda Sugar Papa Likes". LOL!!

Yeah, I do.

Go ahead, make fun of me. :D

I enjoy it for what it is, Peter showing what he brought to the Kiss sound.

A bit of swing, soul and R n B.

I can understand why anyone who would enjoy a full album of Paul`s cornball crap wouldn`t like it.

To be honest the first two or three songs are the weakest on it and if you put it on from the start of side one chances are you would turn it off before you get to the goodies.

"That`s the kind of sugar Papa likes", "Rock me, Baby", "Hooked on Rock n Roll" and particularly "I can`t stop the rain" (with a great Peter vocal) are all great songs.

It ain`t heavy rock but I like.

[Last_Child]

I sold my copy of Asshole for 15NOK to a Used book shop..

15Nok is almost Nothing!
Still... it's worth more than that fucking record!

[Vinnie Velvet]

I must have seen a copy of Gene's "asshole" CD ONCE in a record store.

After that, never seen it since.

[Terry]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
I enjoy it for what it is, Peter showing what he brought to the Kiss sound.

A bit of swing, soul and R n B.

I can understand why anyone who would enjoy a full album of Paul`s cornball crap wouldn`t like it.

To be honest the first two or three songs are the weakest on it and if you put it on from the start of side one chances are you would turn it off before you get to the goodies.

"That`s the kind of sugar Papa likes", "Rock me, Baby", "Hooked on Rock n Roll" and particularly "I can`t stop the rain" (with a great Peter vocal) are all great songs.

It ain`t heavy rock but I like.

Out of all four of them, Ace's positively smoked! Gene's had solid stuff on it. Pete's was reflective of his tastes...in many ways, Pete's was the most interesting because it was so unKISSlike, but that was the whole point of doing the records to begin with...Paul's was just bland.

[Golden AWe]

Oi baka!

http://www.preisvergleich.org/pimages/KISS-Japan-LP-Crazy-Nights-black-Obi_162__11168_20.jpg

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Golden AWe
Oi baka!

http://www.preisvergleich.org/pimages/KISS-Japan-LP-Crazy-Nights-black-Obi_162__11168_20.jpg

Exactly.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Terry
Out of all four of them, Ace's positively smoked! Gene's had solid stuff on it. Pete's was reflective of his tastes...in many ways, Pete's was the most interesting because it was so unKISSlike, but that was the whole point of doing the records to begin with...Paul's was just bland.

Gene said the solo album idea was a mistake, as none of them did well commercially. Wasn't "New York Groove" a top-ten hit? Hmmm...where did "Beth" end up on top forty radio? Lick it up, Gene...the two dude's in the back seat of the car charted higher than "God Of Thudner."
:rolleyes:

[Terry]

From what I've read and heard in various interviews, the solo album idea came about because both Ace and Pete wanted to quit the band while filming KISS MEETS THE PHANTOM OF THE PARK. Both wanted to pursue solo careers, but Gene and Paul talked them out of it, saying instead that all four members would do a solo album.

Don't recall the exact sales figures anymore, but I think they all more or less moved 750,000 units a piece, give or take a couple of 100k depending on the record.

[Tiki-Tom]

Of course Gene and Paul tried to talk them out of quiting.
Ace and Peter were the musical glue if you will of Kiss. Gene needed them, but he was also very jealous of them. They wouldn't be his puppets and take his BS. That's why he has always pissed and moaned about them. It wasn't the drugs and drinking that he always whines about. Sure, those things were going on but that just made for a good excuse to bitch about them.

One could argue that they did just fine long after Ace and Peter were gone but Gene has always had other people doing a lot of his work for him, musically that is. Outside writers and other musicians, both studio and salaried have done quite a bit in the name of old Chaim in the years since.

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by Tiki-Tom
One could argue that they did just fine long after Ace and Peter were gone but Gene has always had other people doing a lot of his work for him, musically that is. Outside writers and other musicians, both studio and salaried have done quite a bit in the name of old Chaim in the years since.

Like Paul Stanley...Bruce Kulick and his brother Bob? Say it ain't so!:D

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Like Paul Stanley...Bruce Kulick and his brother Bob? Say it ain't so!:D

Remember Gene's obvious break from actually writing any good songs???

Yeah, 1982-1992.

Let's see: "Any Way You Slice It", "Hell or High Water", etc.

[DrMaddVibe]

I dunno...there was some awesome stuff on "Revenge" that reminded me of the old Demon...lyrics and playing wise.

[Tiki-Tom]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
I dunno...there was some awesome stuff on "Revenge" that reminded me of the old Demon...lyrics and playing wise.

Yep, couple of great tunes on that record and Simmons had maybe one writing credit on it without outside help(being my point):) Bringing back Vincent for some writing and Bob Ezrin as a producer didn't hurt either.

[Terry]

KISS plodded along after Frehley and Criss left, but by the mid 1980s they were following the pack instead of leading it.

Gene and Paul may have always exerted the most control in the band, but the simple fact is the greatest interest in the band (and their biggest paydays by far) have come when Ace and Peter were in the group.

Instead of bitching about Ace and Pete drinking and taking drugs, Gene oughta be appreciative they were all able to reform in the mid 1990s. It's doubtful Gene would have even garnered enough interest in his crappy reality shows without the second wind Klassic Kiss gave him.

[Tiki-Tom]

Originally posted by Terry
KISS plodded along after Frehley and Criss left, but by the mid 1980s they were following the pack instead of leading it.

Gene and Paul may have always exerted the most control in the band, but the simple fact is the greatest interest in the band (and their biggest paydays by far) have come when Ace and Peter were in the group.

Instead of bitching about Ace and Pete drinking and taking drugs, Gene oughta be appreciative they were all able to reform in the mid 1990s. It's doubtful Gene would have even garnered enough interest in his crappy reality shows without the second wind Klassic Kiss gave him.

Exactly, and by touring with scabs in Ace and Peter makeup Gene really shows how confident he is with his ability to continue moving on without them in Kiss. I do get a kick out of his show though. It's a pleasant surprise to see Gene's likeable side. Didn't think he had much of one.

[Terry]

Simmons has plenty of confidence. That's definitely something I can appreciate about him. But his confidence and self-assuredness is overwhelmed by his arrogance and greed, and those two personality traits just aren't something I dig.

[Tiki-Tom]

Originally posted by Terry
Simmons has plenty of confidence. That's definitely something I can appreciate about him. But his confidence and self-assuredness is overwhelmed by his arrogance and greed, and those two personality traits just aren't something I dig.

Maybe confident was the wrong word to use but Gene none the less know's how important Peter and Ace are to Kiss. He can't deal with them but he can't totally part with them either, nor does he want to. That's where those two scab's come in.

[binnie]

Anyone seen Kiss live in recent years?

Have they still got it?

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by binnie
Anyone seen Kiss live in recent years?

Have they still got it?

They've NEVER lost it. Despite the line-up changes...they ALWAYS brought it live.

That's why I'm the huge fan that I am.

[binnie]

If they ever tour the UK again, I will be sure to check them out.

Cheers!

[Terry]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
They've NEVER lost it. Despite the line-up changes...they ALWAYS brought it live.

That's why I'm the huge fan that I am.

KISS reuniting in 1996 was one of the few reunions that actually did justice to the memory...

I have to give Gene and all the others credit for putting in as much rehearsal and effort as they did, because they could have just as easily slapped on the greasepaint and went out there on autopilot and the venture still would have sold out everywhere they went.

Singer and Thayer are able to play the material, no doubt (and DrMaddVibe has a point in that Criss really isn't physically able to keep up with the demands of playing a full set anymore, and he did bail before the Australian tour in 2001, so it was understandable that they got Singer in there at that time in the makeup, as he would have looked silly without it), but it was around the time of the Kiss Symphony/Alive IV that it became farcical. Half the band was gone, and there they were re-recording oldies.

At that point I was done with it.

[Mr. Vengeance]

I have to tell ya, they are always good live. I'm just watching the Summit show from the KISSology DVDs, and while you can tell that Gene and Paul's voices are worn out from touring, (I swear Paul has a cold) they still bring it. Especially Ace! "Shock Me" kicks ass, and his solos are all great. Drinking or not, he was on fire.

[Tiki-Tom]

Kiss always puts on one hell of a show. I'll give Gene and Paul credit in that dept. I wish that they could care half as much about recording good music now. I guess one reason could be that they just don't have it in them anymore. People would expect more than they can offer. Come to think of it , that is caring about the fans in a way.

[Mr. Vengeance]

I have finally found and listened to the Paul Stanley effort, Live to Win. Not too bad at all. Much heavier than I thought it would be. There are a couple of very 80's metal ballads, much like "Forever", but it's actually not a bad album. I always liked his solo effort in the KISS days, so I'm not shcoked.

It's a little short for the cd age. He could have thrown on another couple of tunes.

[Bill Lumbergh]

All we heard was how the setlists were gonna be so much more daring or whatever with Peter out....uh, other than throwing in a couple of different ones here and there, it was the same old shit.....they've been pretty much been using the same setlist since 96......even when I saw Paul last month he played DRC, Love GUn, Do ya Love me etc......

[DLR_EngineRoom]

Originally posted by indeedido
OK, I'll step up. Some of you half ass KISS fans will sit idle. KISS from beginning through Dyansty rocks. All the solo albums but Peter's are good. You didn't buy Paul's? What the fuck is wrong with you? Solo albums are not meant to be like the band's albums. Ace's rocks. Paul's rocks. Gene's is eclectic. Alive II rocks. Rock n Roll over is my fav. Creature's even at 1982 is great. I love Creature's. Now, I do not care much for '80s KISS, Hot in the shade is about as bad as it gets. But 74-82 fucking rocks. Period. If you don't like it, fine. Your perogative. But like any card carrying KISS Army member, I say fuck you.


A-@#$%&-Men!

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by DLR_EngineRoom
A-@#$%&-Men!

I second that........

[Hardrock69]

I found this hilarious review of Paul's latest solo album on another site:

You wanted the review, you got the review! Why anyone demanded a critique of a new PAUL STANLEY album is honestly beyond me — I always thought it was a foregone conclusion that KISS solo albums were just gonna suck, and there was nothing to be done about it. Hell, even back when the real lineup of the band was actually writing good songs, the only one who could pull a halfway decent solo record out of his ass was the terminally befuddled Ace Frehley, and his only got a pass because "Snowblind" and "Ozone" rocked balls. (You can take that cover of "New York Groove" and burn it in the same bonfire as your platform shoes and your Mork and Mindy board game).

"Live To Win" finds the prancing, pouting frontman shacked up with the some of the same type of 80's-bred shlockmeisters that made post-makeup KISS so fey and sackless. Desmond Child is all over this thing, and AEROSMITH neuterer Marti Fredriksen contributes to "Lift", one of the more embarrassing numbers. Stanley is in fine voice – there's no denying that his distinctive vocals not only put KISS on top, but are just about as strong as ever. The problem is, he's singing songs that make the back half of "Hot in the Shade" sound like "Destroyer".

Musically, "Live to Win" is stuck halfway through the door of a time machine – the songs are chock full of more programming and production than a LINKIN PARK single, but they're put together like rejected b-sides for "Tears Are Falling". Half the time, we're served up the embarrassing concoction of a middle-aged man singing what sounds like a BREAKING BENJAMIN song (the aforementioned "Lift", where at one point Stanley moans "salvation" in that already-dated "I'm singing through a paper towel tube" effect and you'll wanna kick your speakers over). The rest of the time, it's full on retro mode, including three stale power ballads full of syrupy strings and terrible clichés (did Klaus Meine help with titling "Loving You Without You Now"?) and cock rock rehash like "Bulletproof" and the discofied "Where Angels Dare". The nadir comes when the two eras clash — "All About You" is '80s cheese run through ProTools and dolled up with loops and post-millennial computer tricks like an old man at a singles bar with a bad toupee.

Throughout, the whole exercise just creaks, from its inane we're-all-winners lyrics to the recycled hooks and the generic, hard-rock-in-an-Army-commercial riffs. Much as Gene Simmons' solo album was a crystal-clear picture of The Tongued One as, well, an insufferable asshole, it seems Stanley really could be a chuckleheaded, terminally unhip party rock doofus. "Live To Win" is offensive not because it's terrible, but because it's too stupid to live — further proof that the neverending KISS farewell tour might not be such a bad idea, provided it keeps Paul and Gene out of recording studios for the foreseeable future.


- Keith Bergman

[Sugar-Dave]

Kiss are shite and Paul is gay

[Hardrock69]

Maybe Kiss are shit now, but they have not always been that way.

[PutOutTheLights]

KISS ARE SHITE!

[Sugar-Dave]

Buy this month's Classic Rock Magazine and read the letters
its got Rob Plant on the front

my letter is their!!! signed by sugar lu

[Terry]

Originally posted by Sugar-Dave
Buy this month's Classic Rock Magazine and read the letters
its got Rob Plant on the front

my letter is their!!! signed by sugar lu

I totally dug that magazine, and bought it religiously for about 5 years, but the last year or so it has been so inconsistent that I can't be bothered anymore.

Post your letter on this thread.

[PutOutTheLights]

Peter Criss has noodle arms.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by PutOutTheLights
Peter Criss has noodle arms.

:mad2:

[PutOutTheLights]

:o

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by PutOutTheLights
:o

:mad2:

[flappo]

putting bon scott above freddie was fucking dumb imo

[flappo]

imo

1. freddie

2. dave

3. bon or rog daltrey

[Terry]

Originally posted by flappo
putting bon scott above freddie was fucking dumb imo

Totally agree with that one.

Bon was one of the greats, but not QUITE that great.

[Seshmeister]

I've never understood the Kiss thing.

I've known huge CVH fans who are Kiss fanatics. Never got it at all.

Kiss were originally mediocre and then got worse in my opinion.

Objectively speaking I agree with Flappo that Freddie Mercury was probably the best singer/frontman/talent ever in rock but I was never a big fan, I just admired it.

I happen to prefer CVH but that's just personal taste based on guitar stuff and whatnot.

Kiss aren't even on the same planet.

Cheers!

:gulp: