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LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 01:50 AM
Calif. Gov Calls for Universal Coverage

By LAURA KURTZMAN
Associated Press Writer





SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday proposed extending health coverage to California's 6.5 million uninsured residents, promising to spread the cost among businesses, individuals, hospitals, insurers and the government.

Schwarzenegger said his plan will save $10 billion a year by cutting costs and redirecting money already in the health care system.

"My solution is that everyone in California must have health insurance," the governor said. "If you can't afford it, the state will help you buy it. But you must be insured. That is number one."

Under Schwarzenegger's plan, all Californians would be required to have insurance, although plans for the poorest people would be subsidized. Businesses with 10 or more employees would have to offer insurance to workers or pay 4 percent of their payroll into a state fund. Smaller businesses would be exempt.

Last year, Massachusetts became the first state to require universal health insurance. Massachusetts companies must offer insurance to employees or pay into a state pool.

"This plan one-ups Massachusetts," said Peter Harbage, a health care consultant with the New America Foundation, a nonpartisan think tank. "The governor has gone further and added doctors, hospitals and health plans" to those who must help pay.

The state would subsidize insurance for the estimated 1.2 million poor people who do not currently qualify for state health coverage. They would be able to buy insurance through a state-run pool and would have to make a small contribution toward their premiums.

Insurers could no longer deny coverage to people because of medical problems. And all children, regardless of their immigration status, would be covered through an expansion of the state and federal Healthy Families program.

The governor said savings created by his plan would offset new fees he is asking doctors and hospitals to pay - 4 percent of revenue for hospitals and 2 percent for doctors.

The state also would increase what it pays doctors and hospitals through Medi-Cal, the state insurance plan for the poor.

The proposal immediately met with stiff resistance. Unions balked at the requirements for individuals, calling them a tax on the middle class. The mandate for employers upset many of Schwarzenegger's business allies, who fought a similar requirement just three years ago with his help.

Fellow Republicans also reacted negatively.

"Imposing a new jobs tax on employers of any size and expanding costly government mandates is the wrong approach," Assembly Republican leader Mike Villines said in a statement, predicting the proposal would "devastate our economy."

Allan Zaremberg, president of the California Chamber of Commerce, questioned whether businesses would be asked to pay more in the future as premiums rise.

"The biggest fear that we all face is that people who are satisfied with the system, who can afford the system, will suffer increased costs," said Zaremberg, a key Schwarzenegger ally.

The governor was supposed to give his address in person to a panel of health care officials. Instead, he spoke via video link since he is still recuperating from a broken leg suffered in a skiing accident.

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine

The governor was supposed to give his address in person to a panel of health care officials. Instead, he spoke via video link since he is still recuperating from a broken leg suffered in a skiing accident.


Tell me God doesn't have a sense of humor :D




"There are no accidents"

- The Trees

scamper
01-09-2007, 07:11 AM
Go socialism, fuck the people who want to support themselves by working hard....

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by scamper
Go socialism, fuck the people who want to support themselves by working hard....

Just make sure you never lose that hard working job and have a hard time finding another one, while your wife or kids need vital treatments!

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 07:29 AM
Great move for the Terminator!

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by scamper
Go socialism, fuck the people who want to support themselves by working hard....


Excellent grasp of the topic :rolleyes:

WACF
01-09-2007, 10:45 AM
It can work.

Not everyone enjoys a good paying job...whether they are hard working is not relevent.

You can work your ass off everyday and not get paid overly well.

Look at this and see if it works...don't shoot it down.

Overall it is a humanitarian move...don't let the fear of anything related to socialism cloud your judgement.

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by WACF
It can work.

Not everyone enjoys a good paying job...whether they are hard working is not relevent.

You can work your ass off everyday and not get paid overly well.

Look at this and see if it works...don't shoot it down.

Overall it is a humanitarian move...don't let the fear of anything related to socialism cloud your judgement.


Excellent Post. :cool:

See, not all Canucks are oxygen thieves ;)

VanHalener
01-09-2007, 11:05 AM
Arnold gives tips on good health and feeling good...

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Guitar Shark
01-09-2007, 11:50 AM
No mention in the article about the millions of illegal immigrants in California... are they included?

VanHalener
01-09-2007, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
No mention in the article about the millions of illegal immigrants in California... are they included?

I watched a report last night about illegals born in America and the cost being paid by the taxpayer. They cited California as having payed for the births of over 150,000 babies whose parents are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WTF

"...A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year."

I can see a million places where American dollars need to be spent on LEGAL AMERICANS

I am starting to get pissed off so I think I'll stop here before I take the 12 gauge to my monitor...

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
... Canucks are oxygen thieves ;)

Take a deeeeeep breath Loungerie....
Aaaand... let it out!

Your lounging (and othe "relaxing activities") WILL improve! ;)

DrMaddVibe
01-09-2007, 12:42 PM
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Somebody order a latte?

Bah-hahahahahaaaa!!!

ppg960
01-09-2007, 04:54 PM
This sort of Plan has worked in Canada to a certain extent. As Canadians, we are all insured. Rich and poor. Most good paying jobs offer extended plans which you can pay into. I pay $86 per month and it covers my family as well.
Out of Country travel insurance $250,000
$250 every two years for glasses.
$800 per year of Physiotheropy.
$1200 Dentel per person.
These types of health care items aren't covered by our Gov't.
These premiums are also tax deductalbe.

Warham
01-09-2007, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by ppg960
This sort of Plan has worked in Canada to a certain extent. As Canadians, we are all insured. Rich and poor. Most good paying jobs offer extended plans which you can pay into. I pay $86 per month and it covers my family as well.
Out of Country travel insurance $250,000
$250 every two years for glasses.
$800 per year of Physiotheropy.
$1200 Dentel per person.
These types of health care items aren't covered by our Gov't.
These premiums are also tax deductalbe.

What happens when you need to go to an emergency room? Or make a doctor's appointment?

How fast can you see somebody?

Warham
01-09-2007, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
No mention in the article about the millions of illegal immigrants in California... are they included?

Like that has to be answered, Shark.

Arnold wants all children in Caleefornia covered, illegals included.

My question would be: where's the money coming from to cover this??

ppg960
01-09-2007, 05:05 PM
I can get into see my own Doctor in three days.
If it's an Emergency, he'll usually get me in that day.
Hospitals see you right away depending on the injury. There is no money involved. Just show your Health Card and your in.
I have waited 3 hours there before. Depends on what 's wrong.

scamper
01-09-2007, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by ppg960

If it's an Emergency, he'll usually get me in that day.


Usually????

scamper
01-09-2007, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Excellent grasp of the topic :rolleyes:

Socialism is the topic

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Like that has to be answered, Shark.

Arnold wants all children in Caleefornia covered, illegals included.

My question would be: where's the money coming from to cover this??


Where's the money come from when they show up in a County ER with no insurance???

They're still treated.

We can fund $9 Billion in Iraq monies THAT HAVE BEEN STOLEN AND UNACCOUNTED FOR ON YOUR GUYS' WATCH.

But we can't fund those without health insurance.


WHO WOULD JESUS TREAT??????????????????????????????

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by scamper
Socialism is the topic


Bullshit, moron.

And if you think it is, then you're too stupid to be here.

Nickdfresh
01-09-2007, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by vanhalener
I watched a report last night about illegals born in America and the cost being paid by the taxpayer. They cited California as having payed for the births of over 150,000 babies whose parents are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WTF

"...A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year."

I can see a million places where American dollars need to be spent on LEGAL AMERICANS

I am starting to get pissed off so I think I'll stop here before I take the 12 gauge to my monitor...

Did they say how much revenue is generated from illegal immigrants? I bet it's a hell of a lot more than $10.5 Billion...

DLR'sCock
01-09-2007, 08:19 PM
Way to go Ahhnuuuuulllddd!!!

scamper
01-09-2007, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Bullshit, moron.

And if you think it is, then you're too stupid to be here.

That hurts, but you're wrong, and if you have to drop down to name calling...well I think we know what that makes you.

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by scamper
That hurts, but you're wrong, and if you have to drop down to name calling...well I think we know what that makes you.


:D

Okay, I apologize for that one.

But I started the thread. I know what the topic is.

And it's NOT "socialism"

And you know that, too.

But that's how the Right likes to frame the topic.

Is it "socialism" we all pay for a military together, and make no judgement as to WHICH Americans get protected?

Of course not.


If we can pool our money to build bombs and kill, we can certainly afford to cover people when they need help.

It's hypocritical to believe otherwise.

Lqskdiver
01-09-2007, 09:42 PM
I'm curious to see how this is going to affect the small business owner. You know, the landscaping company that hires low wage employees or the snack shop owner who's main expense is payroll for his 4 cooks. If Arnold plans on the Calif government to match it dollar for dollar. He's going to have to sell it to the taxpayers.

Lqskdiver
01-09-2007, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Did they say how much revenue is generated from illegal immigrants? I bet it's a hell of a lot more than $10.5 Billion...

Well if you go back and read some of blondegirls post's, you'd see most of it goes back to mexico to their families.

:D

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver
I'm curious to see how this is going to affect the small business owner. You know, the landscaping company that hires low wage employees or the snack shop owner who's main expense is payroll for his 4 cooks. If Arnold plans on the Calif government to match it dollar for dollar. He's going to have to sell it to the taxpayers.


From what I've gathered, it's the hospitals and doctors shouldering some of the costs.

I think some should be assumed by the insurance companies themselves.

The healthcare system in the US is one of the finest in the world, and also one of the most corrupt.

Making sure everyone is covered is the HUMAN thing to do, regardless of what label someone wants to paint it with.

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver
Well if you go back and read some of blondegirls post's, you'd see most of it goes back to mexico to their families.

:D

It's brondgirl. :cool:

DeadOrAlive
01-09-2007, 09:50 PM
How about we declare Anarchy and just kill who we don't like?

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by DeadOrAlive
How about we declare Anarchy and just kill who we don't like?

They did.

It's called The Bush Administration.

They're about to escalate a surge.

Lqskdiver
01-09-2007, 09:59 PM
The Healthcare industry will never go for it. They will lobby against and most likey win. Insurance companies the same.

I see the burden falling mostly on the taxpayer.

Making sure everyone is covered is the HUMANE thing to do, but not at all ideal.

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver

Making sure everyone is covered is the HUMANE thing to do, but not at all ideal.


Why isn't it "ideal"

What purpose does it serve anyone to have certain segments of the population either uninsured, underinsured, or struggling and going without just to cover health needs?

On a side note....

Can you explain or defend the Republican Congress' refusal to allow Medicaid to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices?

I've never heard a good neocon spin.

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
It's brondgirl. :cool:

It's blondDgirl! :D

And I never said anything about Mexicans! :confused:

Lqskdiver
01-09-2007, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Why isn't it "ideal"

What purpose does it serve anyone to have certain segments of the population either uninsured, underinsured, or struggling and going without just to cover health needs?

On a side note....

Can you explain or defend the Republican Congress' refusal to allow Medicaid to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices?

I've never heard a good neocon spin.

I'll tell you why it isn't ideal. Because the medical industry continually raises service costs along with prescription medicine. I understand everyone is in it to make money...BUT COME ON!! The price of prescription medicine and their huge profits reaped by them is almost unbelievable. But punishing someone for making a profit is a discussion for some other time.


At the same time, rise in insurance for liability coverage is also a huge factor in price rates set by hospitals and doctors. Don't get me wrong, most lawsuits do have merits, but someone's gains will be the insurance companies loss. So, they pass those premium increases to the covered.

This cycle goes on forever. You think the healthcare industry wants to add more costs to their bottom line and not pass the increase to the consumer.

No one gives it up for free. That is not ideal.

As for Congress not allowing medicaid to negotiate for lower prices...see above.

Lqskdiver
01-09-2007, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
It's blondDgirl! :D

And I never said anything about Mexicans! :confused:

Sorry, blondDgirl...I wasn't sure who I had that discussion with sometime back. I thought it was you who mentioned that most minorities sent a large part of their payroll back to their families in latin america.

I didn't mean to bring you into the discussion.

LoungeMachine
01-09-2007, 10:27 PM
It's bRondgirl.

with an R

:cool:

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver
Sorry, blondDgirl...I wasn't sure who I had that discussion with sometime back. I thought it was you who mentioned that most minorities sent a large part of their payroll back to their families in latin america.

I didn't mean to bring you into the discussion.

No problem...

I did mention however that there is a certain amount of immigrants in this province who do that...
My sister works in a bank and she tells me how they "launder money" but those are not the poor ones... they are big organizations that don't need socialized health care anyway (eaven if they use it).

We don't have that many Mexicans here... too damn cold!

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
It's bRondgirl.

with an R

:cool:

Why an "R"? :mad:

ppg960
01-09-2007, 11:13 PM
There is no reason the USA can't have Complete Health Care. Every person should have it.
This would help bring the standard of living up for poor families. Society as a whole would become more health oriented. No worries about going to the Doctor and wondering how it's going to be paid.

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by ppg960
... No worries about going to the Doctor and wondering how it's going to be paid.

I will never forget, when living in California;

This friend of mine cut his hand real bad with a saw... he was bleeding heavily...
I offered to drive him to the nearest hospital because we thought he'd need stitches...
He refused, saying that he couldn't afford it...
We insisted, trying to convince him that he could have major problems if his hand would stay like that...
He still refused, trying to pretend it was not so bad...
But we all knew it was about money and that he would suffer because he was poor!

I then realized how lucky I was to have the option to go back to a "free" health care...

FORD
01-09-2007, 11:25 PM
We won't have health care reform in this country as long as the BCE is in power. Too many ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. Not to mention that the recently retired Senate majority leader Bill "Cat Butcher" Frist also happenned to be the former CEO (and still major shareholder) in the largest corporate hospital chain in America.

Health care should not be a for profit business, PERIOD.

Why should there be a difference in the quality of treatment you get in any hospital, whether you are Bill Gates or a Wal Mart janitor? Are some people more or less "human" because of the contents of their checking account?

ppg960
01-09-2007, 11:26 PM
You lived in California??
Why did go back to QC???

I've been to California in the Bay area. I thought it was great.

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
... When living in California...

We where paying for health insurance but I heard about this "Medicare"...

What is it?

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by ppg960
You lived in California??
Why did go back to QC???

I've been to California in the Bay area. I thought it was great.

I lived Oakland for 8 years... absolutely loved it!

Don't ask why we came back here... long story... :rolleyes:

ppg960
01-09-2007, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by FORD
We won't have health care reform in this country as long as the BCE is in power. Too many ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. Not to mention that the recently retired Senate majority leader Bill "Cat Butcher" Frist also happenned to be the former CEO (and still major shareholder) in the largest corporate hospital chain in America.

Health care should not be a for profit business, PERIOD.

Why should there be a difference in the quality of treatment you get in any hospital, whether you are Bill Gates or a Wal Mart janitor? Are some people more or less "human" because of the contents of their checking account?

I think it will come if the American Public push for Reform. It has to happen, with the way costs go up every year. Less people can afford it which in turn will drive the standard of living down. :(

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by FORD
... Why should there be a difference in the quality of treatment you get in any hospital, whether you are Bill Gates or a Wal Mart janitor?

There will always be a difference in the quality of treatments... somehow...

There is always better treatments elswhere for people that can afford it but at least, it could be a lot more fair and equal to start with...

I'm really glad to hear that good news... what a major step!

ppg960
01-09-2007, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by blonddgirl777
I lived Oakland for 8 years... absolutely loved it!

Don't ask why we came back here... long story... :rolleyes:

Oh OH, sounds like a man was involved!!
San Fransisco is one of the nicest cities I've been to.;)

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by ppg960
Oh OH, sounds like a man was involved!!
San Fransisco is one of the nicest cities I've been to.;)

A man was the main reason...
Yes, the Bay Area is the greatest... and NOW (thanks to Arnold), it will be a little more affordable to live there!

I still can't beleive it! :D :D :D

ppg960
01-09-2007, 11:35 PM
People should have a choice between public and private hospitals. I've stated this here before. If you can afford it, then by all means go private. Don't wait in line.
We have a few Private Facilities in Manitoba now.

ppg960
01-09-2007, 11:39 PM
A few Doctors watched many Manitobans flee down to North Dakota to the Mayo-Clinic there. Why wait for cancer treatment, MRI's, Brain Scans.... So they got wise and decided to cash in!!

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by ppg960
People should have a choice between public and private hospitals. I've stated this here before. If you can afford it, then by all means go private. Don't wait in line.
We have a few Private Facilities in Manitoba now.

I also stated that I totally agree with that...

You are lucky in Manitoba... here, the P.Q. is fighting against it... they say that the private system will bring down the quality of the public one...???

I am not an economist but I can tell you that they have a lot of arguments to back up their claim!

The very rich do, fly elswhere to get the best treatments possible... they don't wait in line or settle for whoever doctor is available that day.

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by ppg960
A few Doctors watched many Manitobans flee down to North Dakota to the Mayo-Clinic there. Why wait for cancer treatment, MRI's, Brain Scans.... So they got wise and decided to cash in!!

Or... the very good doctors leave to go practice in the U-S, where they get the big bucks!

There is a lack of specialists here... :(





But if I was a doctor, practicing in California... I would never leave! :p

ppg960
01-09-2007, 11:46 PM
It's the wave of the future for Canadian HC. There is too much money to be made by Doctors who have the resources to set up a clinic.
There will be a defined two tier health system before long.
The PC's would be the ones to do it. Stephen Harper might just be the one.

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by ppg960
It's the wave of the future for Canadian HC. There is too much money to be made by Doctors who have the resources to set up a clinic.
There will be a defined two tier health system before long.
The PC's would be the ones to do it. Stephen Harper might just be the one.

You are being optimistic...
Really hope you're right!

We'll see...

blonddgirl777
01-09-2007, 11:54 PM
I am predicting a Kanuck coment soon...

LoungeMachine
01-10-2007, 12:37 AM
Um, yeah....

The topic is Universal Healthcare in countries that don't call ham bacon.

blonddgirl777
01-10-2007, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
... countries that don't call ham bacon.

No, no and NO!

YOU are the ones that call ham "bacon"...
Besides, there is no such thing as "Canadian Bacon"! :o
... Or... "French bread"! :rolleyes:
Or... "French fries"! :confused:

VanHalener
01-10-2007, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by WACF
Overall it is a humanitarian move...


Hail to the King baby!

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Warham
01-10-2007, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Why isn't it "ideal"

What purpose does it serve anyone to have certain segments of the population either uninsured, underinsured, or struggling and going without just to cover health needs?

On a side note....

Can you explain or defend the Republican Congress' refusal to allow Medicaid to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices?

I've never heard a good neocon spin.

It's not ideal, because some people don't have health insurance because they either don't want to pay for it, or they just don't think they need it, like many people under 30.

They never tell you that many of those supposedly 40 million that are uninsured are young people who think they are invincible.

Why should I or anybody else have to pay for somebody's insurance when they can go out and get it and afford it themselves?

Seshmeister
01-10-2007, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine

The healthcare system in the US is one of the finest in the world, and also one of the most corrupt.


It's been proved that when the birthrate goes down in an area of the US the number of cesarean sections goes up in proportion.

That's because the gynacologists need to pay for their golfing holidays one way or the other...

LoungeMachine
01-10-2007, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Warham
Why should I or anybody else have to pay for somebody's insurance when they can go out and get it and afford it themselves?

Bullshit premise and you know it.

We're talking about providing basic health coverage for those who CANT afford it.

But as to you question why?

Because that's the price you pay for living in a society.

I don't want to invade sonvereign nations that pose no threat to us, yet I have to pay for it because YOU and your ilk DO.

DrMaddVibe
01-10-2007, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I don't want to invade sonvereign nations that pose no threat to us, yet I have to pay for it because YOU and your ilk DO.

Nothing says "No Threat" like 14 UN resolutions and sonvereign(sic) AA guns taking out unmanned and manned flights over the imposed no-fly zone!

As far as healthcare goes, if you and your ilk want government in EVERY orfice of yours...pay for it with your OWN money!

You sound like someone that's just waking up to what a benefit is and you don't like it because you don't have them!

Warham
01-10-2007, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Bullshit premise and you know it.

We're talking about providing basic health coverage for those who CANT afford it.

But as to you question why?

Because that's the price you pay for living in a society.

I don't want to invade sonvereign nations that pose no threat to us, yet I have to pay for it because YOU and your ilk DO.

And how do you know they CAN'T afford it?

What's the cut-off income?

No, you are paying for Iraq just like I am, because the Congress gave Bush the cash and the go ahead. I'm sure YOU voted for some of those Congressmen, Lounge.

FORD
01-10-2007, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Warham
And how do you know they CAN'T afford it?

What's the cut-off income?

No, you are paying for Iraq just like I am, because the Congress gave Bush the cash and the go ahead. I'm sure YOU voted for some of those Congressmen, Lounge.

And those congressmen are mostly millionaires who now have taxpayer funded health care for life.

Funny how that works.

DrMaddVibe
01-10-2007, 12:42 PM
Maybe the Dems will do away with that entitlement?

FORD
01-10-2007, 01:06 PM
Or better yet, they'll extend it to the rest of the population. Harry Truman said it could be done way back in 1947, and he proved it, when post war Germany and Japan did exactly that.

Who pays for it?

Well it costs a Hell of a lot less than what it's costing us right now filling up Cheney's Halliburton retirement fund.

ppg960
01-10-2007, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by FORD
And those congressmen are mostly millionaires who now have taxpayer funded health care for life.

Funny how that works.

Bingo! If you have a standard HC system, the Gov't will closely monitor what is being spent and where. It won't be open season on pricing for prescription drugs, visits to a specialist etc...

You would not believe how many bus loads of seniors come up here every weekend from ND,MN and such becuase the cost of drugs is half!!
The drug companies and my Provincial Gov't make money on it. So they won't stop it. Why would they??
Stardardized HC means it's uniform across the board.
Everyone benifits.
You all now pay for it in one way or another in your taxes.
Take advantage of it.;)

blonddgirl777
01-10-2007, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
It's been proved that when the birthrate goes down in an area of the US the number of cesarean sections goes up in proportion.

That's because the gynacologists need to pay for their golfing holidays one way or the other...

Yes but don't think that it won't happen with a public H.C. system...
It all boils down to the specialist's honesty... no matter who's picking up the tab!

And it might be worse because some of them dare charging for consultations and treatments they didn't eaven give!
Easy to do, when the patient is not the one receiving the bill...

It's hard and costly for the gvmt to monitor those kinds of fraud!

Warham
01-10-2007, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by FORD
And those congressmen are mostly millionaires who now have taxpayer funded health care for life.

Funny how that works.

Write a letter to your millionaire Speaker of the House, FORD.

You do know she's the richest person ever to be in that particular position? In fact, I believe there are more millionaires among Democrats in Congress than Republicans.

The party of the poor indeed.

DrMaddVibe
01-10-2007, 02:57 PM
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

LoungeMachine
01-10-2007, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

wow.

Did you write that yourself?

:rolleyes:

LoungeMachine
01-10-2007, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Write a letter to your millionaire Speaker of the House, FORD.

You do know she's the richest person ever to be in that particular position? In fact, I believe there are more millionaires among Democrats in Congress than Republicans.

The party of the poor indeed.

Yeah, the Party of Duke Cunningham, Jack Abramoff, and Tom DeLay made their fortunes AFTER taking office. :D

What a dumbass

ppg960
01-10-2007, 04:53 PM
Another problem with HC which is private. Too MNGT top heavy which costs a fortune!!
All your politicains are rich guys, no getting around it.
Consentrate on the things that will put you and your family ahead.