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ULTRAMAN VH
01-19-2007, 12:44 PM
Big government could fatten up more
James P. Pinkerton


January 18, 2007

How big should the federal government be? Most people probably would say it's about the right size. But what if you knew that forces - indeed plans - were in motion to make Uncle Sam's bite on the economy almost twice what it is now?

The government spent about $2.7 trillion in 2006. That's a lot of money, of course, but the gross domestic product (GDP) is around $13.3 trillion, and so it's a manageable figure. Indeed, federal spending, which hovers at 20 percent of GDP, has been remarkably stable as a share of the economy, through war and peace, in the past half century.

But that spending status quo could change. The Congressional Budget Office says federal spending could rise to around 33 percent of GDP by the middle of this century. The cause, of course, is entitlement spending, combined with an aging population. And if one were to include state and local spending - also due to balloon because of retiree costs - the government's share of the economy in the decades ahead could easily reach 50 percent of GDP. In other words, America would move toward the sorts of hulking welfare superstates that afflict Europe today.

Oh, and of course, taxes would have to go up, too. It's possible to finance deficits if they run at just 2 or 3 percent of GDP, as is the case now. But, if spending starts marching decisively upward, taxes will have to march upward, too.

Most notable among entitlements, of course, is Social Security. Two years ago, President George W. Bush proposed "personal retirement accounts" - partial privatization of the system - as a way of reducing the government's future financial burden, also as a way of letting younger workers participate in the stock market.

Bush was onto something. Ever since Thomas Jefferson extolled the idea of "widespread distribution of property," ever since Abraham Lincoln signed the Homestead Act, ever since Harry Truman endorsed low-cost Veterans Administration home loans, Americans have liked the idea of controlling their own destinies by controlling their own assets.

And, in fact, the idea of helping people develop their own nest eggs is increasingly popular around the world. In Sing-apore, for example, the government strongly encourages and subsidizes the asset-accumulation of its citizens.

But when Bush proposed his Social Security plan in 2005, Democrats in Congress quickly disposed of it. Veteran antitax activist Grover Norquist says he thinks he knows why: "The Democrats want people to be dependent on the government," he said Tuesday at a conference on Capitol Hill sponsored by the Free Enterprise Fund (of which I am a fellow) and other limited-government groups. That is, the Democrats, as the Party of Big Government, want Uncle Sam to grow big enough to take in lots of money and then dole out lots of money - enough to buy everyone's vote.

By contrast, Norquist continued, the Republican Party has a different vision: People own assets so that they are not dependent on the state.

OK, so now what? In Washington today, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is leading a quiet effort to raise taxes as part of a "deal" to bolster Social Security. And budget number-crunchers such as Paulson have a point: If spending soars by 60 percent or more as a share of GDP, taxes will have to soar, too.

But is there another answer to keep the United States from going the way of, say, France? Peter Ferrara, former domestic policy aide in the Reagan White House, offers a solution in his paper "The Coming Crisis of Big Government" - available at freeenterprisefund.org - proposing a new and improved version of the "personal accounts" idea.

Ferrara's recommendations for entitlement reform will be no better received by Democrats than Bush's were two years ago. But if we do nothing, the welfare state is destined to expand radically, pushing the burden of government up to unprecedented and economy-crushing levels.
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FORD
01-19-2007, 01:05 PM
OK... you want to do something about Social Security? How about this?

First, if you're in Congress, you don't get any. Chances are that you're rich anyway, and you'll get a pension for life.

Next, all the millionaires and billionaires are cut out. What the FUCK do they need with it anyway?

There you go. Problem solved. Social Security saved.

Now you want to cut spending? Do a complete audit of the defense department. Nobody involved in this audit can have any association with the BCE or any defense contractors. If you know for a fact that someone is skimming $580 off of every $600 toilet seat, then how fucking much are they skimming off of weapons systems which are budgeted for billions??

Enforce existing antitrust laws. Break up huge corporations which are damaging to this country. Start with Halliburton, then TimeAOLWarnerCNN, AT&T (what, again??) etc.

That's a great start.

Steve Savicki
01-19-2007, 01:40 PM
Nothing wrong with the poor getting slightly richer and the rich getting poorer.

When do you think this start will take place?

ULTRAMAN VH
01-19-2007, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by FORD
OK... you want to do something about Social Security? How about this?

First, if you're in Congress, you don't get any. Chances are that you're rich anyway, and you'll get a pension for life.

Next, all the millionaires and billionaires are cut out. What the FUCK do they need with it anyway?

There you go. Problem solved. Social Security saved.

Now you want to cut spending? Do a complete audit of the defense department. Nobody involved in this audit can have any association with the BCE or any defense contractors. If you know for a fact that someone is skimming $580 off of every $600 toilet seat, then how fucking much are they skimming off of weapons systems which are budgeted for billions??

Enforce existing antitrust laws. Break up huge corporations which are damaging to this country. Start with Halliburton, then TimeAOLWarnerCNN, AT&T (what, again??) etc.

That's a great start.

It is very true that members of congress get a 100% retirement.

blueturk
01-19-2007, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
It is very true that members of congress get a 100% retirement.

Not to mention the pay raises they give themselves every chance they get.

Nitro Express
01-20-2007, 04:51 AM
Did you know the US Govt. doesn't even add Medicare or Federal Govt. Employee pensions into it's liabilities? These future liabilites are simply not even counted in the national debt.

The Bush Administration says the US is currently running a deficite of $3 Billion. In truth, when you add the unaccounted liabilites like Medicare and the Govt. pensions in, the deficite balloons to $3 Trillion!

Social Security is ok because theres money currently there to pay the current liability but the problem is Social Security is a slush fund that is dipped into to pay current govt. expenses like the war in Iraq. Once the baby boomers start collecting on Social Security and Medicare the govt. is going to have to come up with the money somehow or default on it's promises.

I think how the govt. handled the Katrina crisis gives us a glimpse of what our future holds. Masses of people who think they are entittled to things will sit there waiting for the govt. to help them. Time will go by and no help will arrive.

The govt. is currently issuing promises it can't afford to keep. Raise taxes? With the liabilites, the govt. has to come up with more than $3 Trillion to fullfill it's promises. They can tax every citizen and business a 100% tax rate and they will fall short.

The United States is broke and all they can do is create an illusion that it is not. The people who will get screwed the worse are the ones who get a pension from the Federal Govt. The money isn't there folks.

BigBadBrian
01-20-2007, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Steve Savicki
Nothing wrong with the poor getting slightly richer and the rich getting poorer.

When do you think this start will take place?

You're just a Socialist.