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Steve Savicki
02-23-2007, 10:43 AM
Finally, is progress being made?
I bet this won't be the best of Dick's days.

http://www.yahoo.com/s/514275

Four years ago, Congress passed legislation uthorizing President Bush to go to war inIraq. Now Senate Democrats want to take it back.


Key lawmakers, backed by party leaders, are drafting legislation that would effectively revoke the broad authority granted to the president in the days
Saddam Hussein was in power, and leave U.S. troops with a limited mission as they prepare to withdraw.

Officials said Thursday the precise wording of the measure remains unsettled. One version would restrict American troops in Iraq to fighting al-Qaida, training Iraqi army and police forces, maintaining Iraq's territorial integrity and otherwise proceeding with the withdrawal of combat forces.

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., intends to present the proposal to fellow Democrats next week, and he is expected to try to add the measure to anti-terrorism legislation scheduled to be debated later this month. Officials who described the strategy spoke only on condition of anonymity, noting that rank-and-file senators had not yet been briefed on the details.

Republicans recently thwarted two Democratic attempts to pass a nonbinding measure through the Senate that was critical of Bush's decision to deploy an additional 21,500 combat troops.

After failing on his second attempt last Saturday, Reid said he would turn his attention to passing binding legislation.

Jim Manley, a spokesman for Reid, declined to discuss the deliberations, saying only, "No final decisions have been made on how to proceed."

The White House said Friday that the 2002 authorization is still active and in place, and that the administration plans to wait until legislation is completed before taking a stand.

"I'm not going to talk about hypothetical legislation," White House spokesman Tony Fratto said. "Obviously, the president intends, and his focus is on, having the resources and flexibility to carry out our operations on the ground. We don't know where they're going. The Democrats seem to be clearly divided on what they're going to do."

Any attempt to limit Bush's powers as commander in chief would likely face strong opposition from Republican allies of the administration in the Senate. Additionally, unlike earlier, nonbinding measures, the legislation now under consideration could also face a veto threat.

Still, it marks a quickening of the challenge Democrats are mounting to Bush's war policies following midterm elections in which war-weary voters swept Republicans from power in both the House and Senate.

The emerging Senate plan differs markedly from an approach favored by critics of the war in the House, where a nonbinding measure passed last week.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said she expects the next challenge to Bush's war policies to come in the form of legislation requiring the
Pentagon to adhere to strict training and readiness standards in the case of troops ticketed for the war zone.

Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., the leading advocate of that approach, has said it would effectively deny Bush the ability to proceed with the troop buildup that has been partially implemented since he announced it in January.

Some Senate Democrats have been privately critical of that approach, saying it would have virtually no chance of passing and could easily backfire politically in the face of Republican arguments that it would deny reinforcements to troops already in the war zone.

Several Senate Democrats have called in recent days for revoking the original authorization that Bush sought and won from Congress in the months before the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.

That measure authorized the president to use the armed forces "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate ... to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq" and to enforce relevant
United Nations Security Council resolutions.

At the time the world body had passed resolutions regarding Iraq's presumed effort to develop weapons of mass destruction.

In a speech last week, Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, chairman of the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said, "I am working on legislation to repeal that authorization and replace it with a much narrower mission statement for our troops in Iraq."

Biden added that Congress should make clear what the mission of U.S. troops is: to responsibly draw down, while continuing to combat terrorists, train Iraqis and respond to emergencies.

Along with Biden, officials said Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, chairman of the
Senate Armed Services Committee, and a small group of key Democrats were involved in the effort to draft legislation. Leadership aides are also playing a role.

It was not clear whether the measure would explicitly state that the 2002 authorization for the use of military force was being revoked. One proposal that had been circulated would declare that Bush was not authorized to involve U.S. armed forces in an Iraqi civil war, but it appeared that prohibition had been dropped as part of the discussions.

At the same time, several officials noted that any explicit authority for U.S. troops to confront al-Qaida would effectively bless Bush's decision to dispatch about 3,500 additional troops to the volatile Anbar Province in the western part of Iraq.

Under the president's recent announcement, the balance of the 21,500 additional troops would go to Baghdad, where the administration hopes they can help quell sectarian violence.

hideyoursheep
02-23-2007, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Steve Savicki
Any attempt to limit Bush's powers as commander in chief would likely face strong opposition from Republican allies of the administration in the Senate...

His powers need to be limited.:mad:

Steve Savicki
02-23-2007, 01:53 PM
His powers need to be stripped as in ©himpeachment.

hideyoursheep
02-23-2007, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Steve Savicki
His powers need to be stripped as in ©himpeachment.


Si, amigo!:D

Nickdfresh
02-23-2007, 06:36 PM
God-fucking-speed!!

Steve Savicki
02-23-2007, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
God-fucking-speed!!
Before November '08 so we can celebrate.

Warham
02-23-2007, 08:50 PM
Won't happen.

This is about as ridiculous as that cowardly 'non-binding' legislation they wasted two weeks on.

hideyoursheep
02-23-2007, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Won't happen.

This is about as ridiculous as that cowardly 'non-binding' legislation they wasted two weeks on.


What would be cowardly about tying his hands so grown folk can finally run things?:cool:

Warham
02-23-2007, 09:06 PM
If the Democrats want to stop this war, they should pull the funding. All of it.

But why won't they?

Nickdfresh
02-23-2007, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Won't happen.

This is about as ridiculous as that cowardly 'non-binding' legislation they wasted two weeks on.

"Cowardly?" You should know chickenhawk...

Nickdfresh
02-23-2007, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Warham
If the Democrats want to stop this war, they should pull the funding. All of it.

But why won't they?

Why is that?

Why not just revoke the "Authorization" that Bush has overweeningly abused for the past five years?

Warham
02-23-2007, 09:14 PM
No, if they feel that this war was unnecessary, you pull the funding.

Enough of this cowardly 'non-binding' shit. You either back Bush and support the war and put up the funds, or you step up to the plate and cut the funding.

They talk a good game, but they don't play it very well.

Nickdfresh
02-23-2007, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by Warham
No, if they feel that this war was unnecessary, you pull the funding.

And for the second time, why is that?

Because you say so?


Enough of this cowardly 'non-binding' shit. You either back Bush and support the war and put up the funds, or you step up to the plate and cut the funding.

Why is that?


They talk a good game, but they don't play it very well.

Really? Then why are 'they' winning in the court of public opinion?

Warham
02-23-2007, 09:19 PM
If they were winning in the court of public opinion by a wide margin, they'd cut the funding.

Nickdfresh
02-23-2007, 09:23 PM
Wow, you're obsessed with "cutting the funding."

Maybe you'll answer the four fucking questions I asked regarding as too why they should someday...

ODShowtime
02-23-2007, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by Warham
If the Democrats want to stop this war, they should pull the funding. All of it.

But why won't they?

Would you get over your pathetic, pre-programmed hatred of liberals and democrats for a minute and realize what's happening?
...



Two years ago I couldn't imagine a more exciting headline. I wish I could send it back in time!

hideyoursheep
02-23-2007, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Warham
No, if they feel that this war was unnecessary, you pull the funding.

Enough of this cowardly 'non-binding' shit. You either back Bush and support the war and put up the funds, or you step up to the plate and cut the funding.

They talk a good game, but they don't play it very well.


Only TWO ways?

Wow, that's pretty deep.:rolleyes:

hideyoursheep
02-23-2007, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Warham
If they were winning in the court of public opinion by a wide margin, they'd cut the funding.
WHY?
So the anti IRAQ war crowd can be accused of not supporting the troops by the same sorry chickenshit draft- dodging thumbsuckers that have our wounded housed in a slum?

Everyone's on to the game, mini-Rush.:heyfu:

Steve Savicki
02-23-2007, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Warham
You either back Bush and support the war and put up the funds, or you step up to the plate and cut the funding.
Either-or... sounds like you're saying this is a black & white situation. What are the gray shades?

FORD
02-23-2007, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by Warham
If the Democrats want to stop this war, they should pull the funding. All of it.

But why won't they?

Because YOUR heroes would then spin it in the whore media as "Democrats abandon the troops".

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_cheney_oz.jpg

Reality is that Scarecrow and the Tin Man MUST be reigned in now, or the PNAC disaster will spread into Iran.

You don't put an admiral in charge of a desert war theatre just to continue an existing occupation. Nor do you send three carrier groups to the Persian gulf for that reason.

The Likud Zionfascist Paranoid Assault on the People of Iran is in the works. It MUST be stopped or THIS country will pay a heavy price for it. :(