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FORD
04-04-2007, 03:25 PM
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FORD
04-04-2007, 03:27 PM
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FORD
04-04-2007, 03:29 PM
"Why I'm opposed to the war in Vietnam"

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(feel free to substitute "Iraq" for "Vietnam" here, because I'm confident Dr. King would have)

scamper
04-04-2007, 03:47 PM
That Bono is one rich socialist

FORD
04-04-2007, 03:53 PM
Dr King's last speech, the night before he was murdered......

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(ignore the dumb video and just listen)

Switch84
04-05-2007, 02:12 AM
:rolleyes: Is there anything you won't pimp for your own twisted agenda, Ford? Dr. King? What could you possibly have in common with (or relate to) the late Dr.'s most endearing and passionate fight? How convenient that you found something that suits you to 'remember' him by.

That's insulting to his memory, his fight, his people.

Combat Ready
04-05-2007, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by Switch84
:rolleyes: Is there anything you won't pimp for your own twisted agenda, Ford? Dr. King? What could you possibly have in common with (or relate to) the late Dr.'s most endearing and passionate fight? How convenient that you found something that suits you to 'remember' him by.

That's insulting to his memory, his fight, his people.

Right on!

FORD
04-05-2007, 02:36 AM
WHAT??? :confused:

FORD
04-05-2007, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by FORD
WHAT??? :confused:

I have ALWAYS admired Dr. King. If you think I can't relate to his message or his mission because I'm a "cracker ass white boy", then maybe you need to listen to his speeches again, Switch. Especially the part where he says he dreams of a world where people will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

As far as I'm concerned, those three speeches are just short of the Sermon on the Mount as some of the greatest words ever written, and frankly, I resent the fucking Hell out of anybody saying that I'm trying to "twist" them.

Into WHAT??

Combat Ready
04-05-2007, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by FORD
I have ALWAYS admired Dr. King. If you think I can't relate to his message or his mission because I'm a "cracker ass white boy", then maybe you need to listen to his speeches again, Switch. Especially the part where he says he dreams of a world where people will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

As far as I'm concerned, those three speeches are just short of the Sermon on the Mount as some of the greatest words ever written, and frankly, I resent the fucking Hell out of anybody saying that I'm trying to "twist" them.

Into WHAT??

Agreed...MLK was a great American...but....Sermon on the Mount? Good taste in music.....just not buying your socialist agenda----That's all. Relax.......Aint no big thing!

BigBadBrian
04-05-2007, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Combat Ready
Agreed...MLK was a great American...but....Sermon on the Mount?

No kidding.

I have a problem with MLK in that he left Jesse "I'll shake you down" Jackson in charge of the looney-bin.

:cool:

knuckleboner
04-05-2007, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Switch84
That's insulting to his memory, his fight, his people.

"his people?"

um...wasn't dr. martin luther the king's whole point that we were ALL his people?

BigBadBrian
04-05-2007, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
"his people?"

um...wasn't dr. martin luther the king's whole point that we were ALL his people?

If you mean Jesus, then yes, we are all His people.

Even you heathens, however, ye shall be banished to the lake of fire when thine soul gives up the ghost.

:)

knuckleboner
04-05-2007, 02:07 PM
heh heh, sort of not what i meant...


BUT...who're you calling a heathen? as a catholic, i'm pretty sure the rest of you guys aren't welcome, either;)

BigBadBrian
04-05-2007, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
heh heh, sort of not what i meant...


BUT...who're you calling a heathen? as a catholic, i'm pretty sure the rest of you guys aren't welcome, either;)

You're a catholic, huh?

Too bad. :(

Jesus Christ
04-05-2007, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
If you mean Jesus, then yes, we are all His people.

Even you heathens, however, ye shall be banished to the lake of fire when thine soul gives up the ghost.

:)

Oh My Dad :rolleyes:

Let Me clear this up for you, My children......

I endorseth Martin Luther King's message 100% now, just as I did when he delivered his speeches.

There is no such thing as "race" in My eyes, and if ye truly believeth in My teachings than ye will let go of such man made divisions as well.

Or in thy modern vernacular....

GET OVER IT ALREADY!!

.....thus sayeth the Lord. :cool:

Ellyllions
04-05-2007, 02:23 PM
Yahweh?
I love Bono.
Can I still get into heaven?

FORD
04-05-2007, 02:44 PM
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scamper
04-05-2007, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Yahweh?
I love Bono.
Can I still get into heaven?

No, unless you're mormon, then it's automatic

Ellyllions
04-05-2007, 03:02 PM
FORD, it almost turns my stomach that you know U2.

Ellyllions
04-05-2007, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by scamper
No, unless you're mormon, then it's automatic

Well, if I'm mormon, I can love the Edge too, right?

If so, where do I sign up!:D

FORD
04-05-2007, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
FORD, it almost turns my stomach that you know U2.

Been a fan since 1980, and actually have a couple of their singles that go back before that. :cool:

FORD
04-05-2007, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Well, if I'm mormon, I can love the Edge too, right?

If so, where do I sign up!:D

www.lds.org

knuckleboner
04-05-2007, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
You're a catholic, huh?

Too bad. :(

be careful...as soon as benedict keels over, i could very well be pope!

Nickdfresh
04-05-2007, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by scamper
That Bono is one rich socialist

I don't think he can be characterized as a "socialist."

In fact, he and most of the band, lost there ass in German investments after "The Joshua Tree." And also a tour that was so enormously expensive to put on (ZooTV), they lost money on many shows and made only a small profit overall...

They've had to work hard to recoup...

scamper
04-06-2007, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I don't think he can be characterized as a "socialist."

In fact, he and most of the band, lost there ass in German investments after "The Joshua Tree." And also a tour that was so enormously expensive to put on (ZooTV), they lost money on many shows and made only a small profit overall...

They've had to work hard to recoup...

didn't know that....

Ellyllions
04-06-2007, 09:10 AM
Yep, Zoo (if I remember correctly) cost them about 1 million per show. The cost was due to the enormity of the stage and set that had to be hauled around along with the massive amount of labor to set it up.

sadaist
04-06-2007, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by FORD
he says he dreams of a world where people will be judged NOT by the color of their skin


It was just a dream.

Unless anyone can explain these:

NAACP
Affirmative Action
The United Negro College Fund
National Association of Black Accountants
The Organization of Black Airline Pilots Inc.
National Organization of Black Chemists & Chemical Engineers
National Society of Black Engineers
Alliance of Black Technical Organizations
Association of Black Anthropologists
Association of Black Psychologists
Association of Black Sociologists

and on & on & on & on...

http://www.eblackstudies.org/organizations.html

jhale667
04-06-2007, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
It was just a dream.

Unless anyone can explain these:

NAACP
Affirmative Action
The United Negro College Fund
National Association of Black Accountants
The Organization of Black Airline Pilots Inc.
National Organization of Black Chemists & Chemical Engineers
National Society of Black Engineers
Alliance of Black Technical Organizations
Association of Black Anthropologists
Association of Black Psychologists
Association of Black Sociologists

and on & on & on & on...

http://www.eblackstudies.org/organizations.html

They exist because racism still does. Deal with it.

sadaist
04-06-2007, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
They exist because racism still does. Deal with it.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Having any type of organization or group that is based on color is racism. So if it's to get any better, these have to go. Or is it the "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality?

jhale667
04-06-2007, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Having any type of organization or group that is based on color is racism. So if it's to get any better, these have to go. Or is it the "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality?

I disagree. Your throwing out platitudes doesn't change the fact that they exist to combat racism, not continue it.

FORD
04-06-2007, 06:53 PM
sadist doesn't understand what racism actually is. It isn't just merely defining someone by the color of their skin.

jhale667
04-06-2007, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by FORD
sadist doesn't understand what racism actually is. It isn't just merely defining someone by the color of their skin.

Exactly, exactly. :D

Nickdfresh
04-06-2007, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Having any type of organization or group that is based on color is racism. So if it's to get any better, these have to go. Or is it the "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality?

These organizations exist largely BECAUSE of the exclusion African Americans faced when they tried to come into the middle class.

These organizations were founded simply because every other organization were white by default, and discriminated!

Jesus, is it that difficult to figure out that everything ISN'T equal? Everything isn't the same...

jhale667
04-06-2007, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh


Jesus, is it that difficult to figure out that everything ISN'T equal? Everything isn't the same...

Some people prefer to remain in denial.

http://content.imagesocket.com/images/head_in_sandab5.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/head_in_sandab5.jpg)

sadaist
04-06-2007, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh

Jesus, is it that difficult to figure out that everything ISN'T equal? Everything isn't the same...

And it never will be as long as organizations remain that cater to a specific color of person...and discriminate against any others.

sadaist
04-06-2007, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
These organizations exist largely BECAUSE of the exclusion African Americans faced when they tried to come into the middle class.

These organizations were founded simply because every other organization were white by default, and discriminated!


Your key words here "when" and "were", are both past tense. Sure, discrimination is still happening, but not nearly the magnitude you are speaking of. The only way to end discrimination is to end ALL discrimination.

sadaist
04-06-2007, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
they exist to combat racism, not continue it.

Fight fire with fire?

jhale667
04-06-2007, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
Your key words here "when" and "were", are both past tense. Sure, discrimination is still happening, but not nearly the magnitude you are speaking of.


And you would know this how...? ;)





The only way to end discrimination is to end ALL discrimination.

Agreed.

Nickdfresh
04-06-2007, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
And it never will be as long as organizations remain that cater to a specific color of person...and discriminate against any others.

Blaming blacks for racism now? It's all their fault?

What complete bullshit! Theses organizations is a reminder that the black community still has a way to go in order to establish a stable socioeconomic class in this country.

Your points are pretty much arguments used by white supremacists in order to mask the justification of their dominant culture terrorist and hate groups, so they can pretend the dominant culture is "under attack and will be destroyed" or some shit like that...

Give me a fucking break dude, try taking a college course or two, and pull away the conservative "blaming the victim" mentality used as propaganda...

BTW, the NAACP has fought on the side of poor white people on numerous occasions.

Sweet Irony
04-06-2007, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Having any type of organization or group that is based on color is racism. So if it's to get any better, these have to go. Or is it the "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality?



This thought process goes back 30-40 years,,,,,,,,,,

What King said in '68 was right...yet, he could never have imagined what would be happening in the 21st century........Never....

Nickdfresh
04-06-2007, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
Fight fire with fire?

Fighting poverty, ignorance, and stereotypes is "fighting fire with fire?"


What, did you want to be part of the NAACP or something?

Dude, grow the fuck up...

Seshmeister
04-06-2007, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I don't think he can be characterized as a "socialist."

In fact, he and most of the band, lost there ass in German investments after "The Joshua Tree." And also a tour that was so enormously expensive to put on (ZooTV), they lost money on many shows and made only a small profit overall...

They've had to work hard to recoup...


Fortunately they've managed it by tax avoidance and promoting their music through huge 'charity events'.

sadaist
04-06-2007, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Fighting poverty, ignorance, and stereotypes is "fighting fire with fire?"


What, did you want to be part of the NAACP or something?

Dude, grow the fuck up...



Fighting discrimination by having an organization that discriminates is.

Dude, wise the fuck up...

Nickdfresh
04-06-2007, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Fortunately they've managed it by tax avoidance and promoting their music through huge 'charity events'.

And don't forget changing their citizenship to avoid Irish taxes...

Nickdfresh
04-06-2007, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
Fighting discrimination by having an organization that discriminates is.

Dude, wise the fuck up...

But they're not just fighting "discrimination," they're fighting the legacy of inequality and poverty...

And if you really want to join the Black Engineers Society, I'm sure they'll let you in.

But you're too dumb to catch that these organizations exist as a legacy of exclusion and prejudice, and are not practicing it...

I mean, it's not like your great grandfather, or his father, was a slave or anything. Or your grandfather in the Army could not serve with white troops until 1947, or that there is an ingrained legacy of racism. So maybe you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about and shouldn't judge, white guy with a high school degree?

FORD
04-06-2007, 11:13 PM
http://web.mit.edu/jonb/www/animate/gossimer.jpg
monsters are such idiotic people......

sadaist
04-07-2007, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by FORD
http://web.mit.edu/jonb/www/animate/gossimer.jpg


LOL!
The Organization Of Orange Hairy Monsters.

sadaist
04-07-2007, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
white guy with a high school degree?

Yes, I have a high school degree. Don't you?

Angel
04-11-2007, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
Yes, I have a high school degree. Don't you?

A high school DEGREE? That would be a diploma.

I'm white, but I'm an active member of various native groups up here, helping them to fight the discrimination they're up against. If these groups didn't exist, the discrimination would be that much worse.

VanHalener
04-11-2007, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
No kidding.

I have a problem with MLK in that he left Jesse "I'll shake you down" Jackson in charge of the looney-bin.

:cool:

Here Here!

And by the way, Al Sharpton is the King Charlatan. Piece of shit oppurtunist.

I do have great respect for MLK. He was a good man who worked hard for black America.

sadaist
04-12-2007, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Angel
A high school DEGREE? That would be a diploma.


Just replying to a post using the same lingo to keep it simple. Apologies professor.

FORD
04-12-2007, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by vanhalener

I do have great respect for MLK. He was a good man who worked hard for black America.

Not for "black America", but for the America which SHOULD be, and COULD be, if people would simply pull their heads out of their asses.

It's my firm belief that if MLK and those other guys whom we know by their initials who were murdered in the 60's had lived out their natural lives, we would live in a much better world today. And that is precisely WHY they were murdered. :(

sadaist
04-12-2007, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Not for "black America", but for the America which SHOULD be, and COULD be, if people would simply pull their heads out of their asses.

It's my firm belief that if MLK and those other guys whom we know by their initials who were murdered in the 60's had lived out their natural lives, we would live in a much better world today. And that is precisely WHY they were murdered. :(



I agree with you whole heartedly regarding MLK.

jhale667
04-12-2007, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Not for "black America", but for the America which SHOULD be, and COULD be, if people would simply pull their heads out of their asses.

It's my firm belief that if MLK and those other guys whom we know by their initials who were murdered in the 60's had lived out their natural lives, we would live in a much better world today. And that is precisely WHY they were murdered. :(


Agreed.


Here's my question:
What the fuck is "Black America"? It's AMERICA, and we are ALL AMERICANS. Black, White, Brown, WhatfuckingEVER. Who gives a flying fuck. That shit just annoys me.

Angel
04-12-2007, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
Just replying to a post using the same lingo to keep it simple. Apologies professor.

Looks like it's me that should apologize.

NICKD WHAT THE FUCK???? high school DEGREE????

Nickdfresh
04-13-2007, 05:42 AM
It's still a "degree."

Angel
04-13-2007, 08:56 AM
Technically, yes. But let's not get off topic here....

The racial divide in the States is horrid, but no worse than our divide with our own aboriginal peoples. :(

Try being a white chick dating a native in this fucking country! Only time in my life I was actually able to FEEL what it's like to be discriminated against.

Never felt any when I was dating a Kenyan though.

scamper
04-13-2007, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by jhale667
Here's my question:
What the fuck is "Black America"? It's AMERICA, and we are ALL AMERICANS. Black, White, Brown, WhatfuckingEVER. Who gives a flying fuck. That shit just annoys me.

Exactly



Originally posted by Angel
The racial divide in the States is horrid

I disagree, I know a few people I would describe as racist but it is a very small percent...very small

Angel
04-13-2007, 12:38 PM
How many are there on this board alone?

scamper
04-13-2007, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Angel
How many are there on this board alone?

Dunno I'm just talking about the people I know in person....I could be wrong...usually am.

Ally_Kat
04-17-2007, 07:35 PM
This whole thread, for whatever reason, reminded me of that MLK Boondocks episode

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Ally_Kat
04-17-2007, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
You're a catholic, huh?

Too bad. :(

That's not what you told me last night ;)

jhale667
04-17-2007, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
This whole thread, for whatever reason, reminded me of that MLK Boondocks episode

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OK, that was some funny shit...:D