Illegal Alien kills two teens

[BigBadBrian]

Loved ones remember teens killed in crash




Tessa Tranchant's mother and Allison Kunhardt's father stand under a full moon in a circle of hundreds of young people. Colette Tranchant tells the crowd, "Tessa and Allie died together. They went to heaven together." The two girls were best friends, like sisters.

At Mount Trashmore in Virginia Beach, tears create streams on teenagers faces. Every few feet across the grass dotted by candlelight, you can see people trembling. Occasionally, you can hear through the quiet of the night, boys and girls weeping. They grieve the loss of two young women, killed Friday in a suspected "driving under the influence" crash. Tessa's Kellam High School classmates and friends wrote in a large memory book.

Amy May reads her inscription, "Tessa baby, you mean the world to me."

"I don't know how to say goodbye. You're an angel now," writes Hillary Batten, another friend.

David Kunhardt, Allison's father, declares the families will fight for changes to DUI laws. He wants to prevent those convicted of DUI - like Alfredo Ramos, the man driving the car that slammed into the girls - from having the opportunity to commit the same crime again.

"Think of how many lives would be saved, not just in Virginia Beach, but across the country," Kunhardt says.

Tessa Tranchant's older brother Dylan adds, "It takes a loss to learn this kind of lesson." He and his mother urge the teens not to drink and drive. They tell them to look out for one another. Colette suggests looking out for other drivers, "checking every mirror." And Dylan reminds them, "Tessa and Allie did nothing wrong."



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Suspect in accident that killed two teens convicted of DUI two months ago

An illegal alien charged in connection with an acdcident that claimed the lives of two teenage girls was convicted of DUI two months ago in Chesapeake.

The accident occurred late Friday night when Alfredo Ramos crashed into the back of a vehicle at a red light. The rear-ending killed teenagers Allison Kuhnhardt and Tessa Tranchant.

10 On Your Side has learned that 22-year-old Alfredo Ramos was convicted in February on DUI charges from November 13, 2006.

The arresting officer commented in his report that Ramos "almost ran him down".

He was given a 90 day suspended sentence, fined $250, had his drivers' license suspended, and he ordered to participate in ASAP, an alcohol awareness program.

Court documents also revealed that Ramos didn' t actually have a valid driver's license (he was caught with a fake one), had paid a Florida company $200 dollars for a "Mexican ID", and he blew a .14 BAC - almost twice the legal limit.

Also, 10 On Your Side has learned that law-enforcement officials in Chesapeake never informed Immigration and Customs Enforcement about Ramos' residence status in the U.S. This contrasts with Virginia Beach, whose authorities notified ICE immediately after Ramos was arrested.

Ramos, who speaks no English, remains in jail with no bond.



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UPDATE: The suspect in a DUI suspect that claimed the lives of two inseperable friends was arraigned Monday morning.

Alfredo Ramos, 22, has been charged with two counts of aggravated involuntary manslaughter and is being held at the Virginia Beach City Jail with no bond.

In court, Ramos admitted that he is in the country illegally, and was working at a Mexican restaurant in Virginia Beach.

Ramos, who speaks no English, remains in jail with no bond.

The accident happened when Ramos, driving a 1998 Mitsubishi, was traveling west bound at a high speed and slammed into the back of the other vehicle.

Both occupants of the other car, which was at a standstill at a traffic light, were pronounced dead at the hospital. The driver was Allison E. Kuhnhardt, 17, and her passenger was Tessa C. Tranchant, 16.



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Father remembers daughter killed in car crash

A father shared his grief on Sunday after losing his daughter in what police are calling a drunk driving accident.

The accident occurred late Friday night when Alfredo Ramos crashed into the back of a vehicle at a red light. The rear-ending killed teenagers Allison Kuhnhardt and Tessa Tranchant.

17-year-old Allison Kuhnhardt's father, David Kuhnhardt said, "Ally was the type of person that, when I had a bad day or a good day, didn't matter, because I knew when I was gonna see her, I would always end up laughing."

David and Allison shared a father-daughter dinner every Wednesday night.

"I never met any two people who were more connected, in terms of friendship," David said of Allison and Tessa.

All weekend, friends of both teens have stopped by the site of the crash to drop off flowers, cards and to lean on each other for support. They said both girls were very well-liked and are going to be missed terribly.

A candlelight vigil is being planned for later this week.

Ramos was previously found guilty of a DUI, in November of 2006 in Chesapeake.


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Two teens killed in Virginia Beach crash

Two cars collided late Friday night in Virginia Beach, killing two people and injuring one.

The rear end crash occurred at the intersection of Virginia Beach Boulevard and Kings Grant Road shortly after 11 p.m.

When police and emergency personnel arrived at the scene, two people were pinned in a 1994 Plymouth Duster and had to be extracted.

The accident happened when the driver of a 1998 Mitsubishi was traveling west bound at a high speed and slammed into the back of the other vehicle.

Both occupants of the Duster were pronounced dead at the hospital. The driver was Allison E. Kuhnhardt, 17, and her passenger was Tessa C. Tranchant, 16.

Alfredo Ramos, 22, has been charged with two counts of aggravated involuntary manslaughter and is being held at the Virginia Beach city jail with no bond.

It has been determined that both speed and alcohol were a factor in the incident.
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[Ellyllions]

It's estimated that 25 people a day are killed, in the US, because of or by illegal immigrants.

*ETA: That's a bullshit statement. My husband told me that last night and right after I posted it, I went to find a source and it's bullshit. My husband was grossly misinformed.

[BigBadBrian]

People, I don't give a damn what you're political leanings are or what party, if any, you claim to belong to.

This illegal alien crap is getting out of hand.

Yeah, I know, US citizens and legal aliens commit the same crimes as this one.

However...

This non-English-speaking knucklehead should never have had the chance to get behind the wheel to do this crime!!!

Look, we had an amnesty back in the '80's. It didn't work...there are more illegals now than there ever were.

It's time to stop this madness.

I'm encouraging ALL Frontline regulars and visitors to support candidates that want to at least try to solve this problem. Support candidates that support the fining of companies that hire these people. We need to cut them off at the source...jobs.

Don't hand me any crap saying the price of your vegetables or apples will go up or that no one will work construction jobs if we stop illegals from working in our economy. TOUGH SHIT!!!! The economy will just have to settle out. Besides, there is too many lazy-assed high school kids that can do these jobs.

[FORD]

The issue here is a drunk driver. It makes no difference where the drunk driver was born, or how he got into this country, only that the son of a bitch got behind the wheel of a car when he was drunk, and killed two people.

You want to use this thread to talk about tougher DUI laws, that's great. But this ain't an "illegal alien" issue.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by FORD
The issue here is a drunk driver. It makes no difference where the drunk driver was born, or how he got into this country, only that the son of a bitch got behind the wheel of a car when he was drunk, and killed two people.

You want to use this thread to talk about tougher DUI laws, that's great. But this ain't an "illegal alien" issue.

Not an "illegal alien" issue?

WRONG!!!

This SOB should never have had the chance to kill someone in this manner.

He should NEVER have been here in the first place.

Yes FORD, it IS an "illegal alien" issue!

[Ellyllions]

Yeah, we definitely gotta solve it that's for sure.

[FORD]

Great.... so let's just pretend all crimes are the work of illegal aliens.

Shit! OJ was right all along. He didn't kill Nicole and the Goldman kid, it was Pedro the gardener!

[FORD]

FAUX News has just reported that the plane which hit the World Trade Center was actually piloted by Jesus Manuel Rodriguez of Dirt Junction Mexico, who was illegally living in Boston before the 9-11-01 attacks.

[FORD]

And in further news, forensic tests have now proven conclusively that Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by Juan Wilkes Fernandez.

[jhale667]

...While I agree this case in particular IS more about the need for tougher DUI laws, I can state as a California resident, the illegal immigration situation is completely out of hand, and something drastic needs to be done. Any illegal caught should be immediately deported, do not pass go. As for this Ramos guy, he should ROT for eternity... :mad:

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by FORD
FAUX News has just reported that the plane which hit the World Trade Center was actually piloted by Jesus Manuel Rodriguez of Dirt Junction Mexico, who was illegally living in Boston before the 9-11-01 attacks.


Originally posted by FORD
Great.... so let's just pretend all crimes are the work of illegal aliens.

Shit! OJ was right all along. He didn't kill Nicole and the Goldman kid, it was Pedro the gardener!


Originally posted by FORD
And in further news, forensic tests have now proven conclusively that Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by Juan Wilkes Fernandez.

:rolleyes:

Nowhere did I state that all crimes were the fault of illegals. However, any crime by these people is simply too much.

:)

[Ellyllions]

Effort to punish 'sanctuary cities' on immigration fails


By Steve Miller
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



The last amendment to the $30 billion homeland security bill approved Tuesday by House lawmakers would have denied federal money to so-called "sanctuary cities" that have passed ordinances freeing law-enforcement officials from reporting illegal immigrants.
After 90 minutes of debate, it failed to win approval but received 102 of 424 votes, all from Republicans who have espoused a hard line on punishing illegal immigrants.
"It is unbelievable that there could even be one 'no' vote," said Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, the Republican who introduced the amendment.
"It was simply a provision that required cities to enforce a federal law already on the books. This is the kind of thing that will become an issue at re-election time. I really don't know how anybody can defend that vote."
At stake was anti-terrorism funding for Seattle, Chicago, Houston and San Francisco, as well as smaller municipalities such as Portland, Ore., and Long Beach Calif. The cities do not require their police to report illegal immigrants to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, even when they are arrested or convicted of crimes.
Advocates of the ordinances say they are designed to ensure illegal immigrants can report crimes without fear of being handed over to federal authorities.
"Immigration is too sensitive an issue to be improvised on the floor of the House without lengthy discussion," said Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, a Florida Republican and member of the Homeland Security Committee.
"And it appears that the majority of Congress feels that way," said Mr. Diaz-Balart, whose Miami district is among the most Hispanic in the country. "Just before passage of the homeland security bill was not the appropriate time to discuss this."
Angela Kelley, deputy director at the National Immigration Forum, which is an advocate for immigrants and refugees, said the amendment only would have added to police officers' responsibilities and endangered immigrant families.
"All that amendment would have done is place more immigrant families at risk," she said. "If police are made to become immigration agents, it will make it more difficult to catch illegal aliens who commit crimes."
The amendment "didn't fly" because a lot of cities would have been cut off from the anti-terrorism funding, said Rosemary Jenks, director of government relations for Numbers USA, which supports strict enforcement of illegal immigration.
She added that the amendment was simply making upholding federal law a requirement.
"It would make perfect sense for Congress to pass this amendment, since the law is already on the books," Miss Jenks said.
In February, officials from New York and Houston were chastised during a hearing on local sanctuary provisions by a House Judiciary subcommittee.
The hearing was prompted by the December rape of a woman in Queens. Four of the five men charged in the case were illegal immigrants and three had prior convictions that, in keeping with federal law, would have allowed their deportation.
As a result of the crime, New York repealed its sanctuary resolution, which had been in place since 1989.

[FORD]

When the FUCK did Steve Miller join the Moonies?? :confused:
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[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Effort to punish 'sanctuary cities' on immigration fails


By Steve Miller
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



The last amendment to the $30 billion homeland security bill approved Tuesday by House lawmakers would have denied federal money to so-called "sanctuary cities" that have passed ordinances freeing law-enforcement officials from reporting illegal immigrants.
After 90 minutes of debate, it failed to win approval but received 102 of 424 votes, all from Republicans who have espoused a hard line on punishing illegal immigrants.
"It is unbelievable that there could even be one 'no' vote," said Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, the Republican who introduced the amendment.
"It was simply a provision that required cities to enforce a federal law already on the books. This is the kind of thing that will become an issue at re-election time. I really don't know how anybody can defend that vote."


Unfreaking real. :mad: :mad:

[Ellyllions]

Sanctuary Cities: What are they?

By Steve Salvi

Despite a federal law that requires local governments to cooperate with Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Agency, many large urban cities (and some small) have adopted so-called "sanctuary policies." Generally, sanctuary policies instruct city employees not to notify the federal government of the presence of illegal aliens living in their communities. The policies also end the distinction between legal and illegal immigration -- so illegal aliens often benefit from city services too.

The justification of creating sanctuary cities is often under the guise of protecting "immigrant rights." But illegal aliens are not immigrants -- immigrants come to the US legally, and maintain their legal presence. When a person is illegally smuggled into the US or knowingly violates their visa restrictions -- he/she is not an immigrant or visitor, but an illegal alien subject to deportation. The real reason behind sanctuary policies are public officials bowing to political pressure from the open-border lobby -- and/or an attempt to pander for votes at election time.

The bottom-line is that US cities with sanctuary policies provide safe havens for illegal aliens and/or terrorists in America. These policies allow criminal aliens to avoid deportation because they prevent local police from reporting foreign criminals to ICE.

Click here to read one city's (Tulsa, OK) police department policy. [Note: File may take a couple of minutes to download--so be patient.]

Voters need to demand that their public officials take US security seriously, and repeal these idiotic sanctuary policies. Does your city have a sanctuary policy? View the list below to see if your city is on this reader submitted list.




List of US Sanctuary Cities*

*Note: Not independently confirmed by OJJPAC. If you believe a city should not be listed, please send an email, and OJJPAC will attempt to verify. Last updated: 12-16-06



State/City

Alabama

Alabaster, AL
Arizona

Phoenix, AZ
California

Bell Gardens, CA
City of Industry, CA
City of Commerce, CA
Cypress, CA
Davis CA
Diamond Bar, CA
Downey, CA
Lakewood, CA
Los Angeles, CA
Long Beach, CA
Lynwood, CA
Maywood, CA
Montebello, CA
National City, CA
Norwalk, CA
Paramount, CA
Pico Rivera, CA
Sonoma County, CA
So. Gate, CA
San Diego, CA
San Francisco, CA
Vernon, CA
Wilmington, CA
Colorado

Aurora, CO
Commerce City, CO
Denver, CO
Federal Heights, CO
Fort Collins CO
Thornton, CO
Westminster, CO
Connecticut

Springfield CT (Disputed)
Florida

DeLeon Springs, FL

Deltona, Fl

Miami, FL
Sanford, Fl
Illinois

Chicago, IL
Massachusetts

Cambridge, Mass.
Maryland

Baltmore, MD
Gaithersburg, MD
Takoma Park, MD
Minnesota

Minneapolis, MN
St. Paul, MN
New Jersey

Camden, NJ
Fort Lee, NJ
Jersey City, NJ
North Bergen, NJ
Trenton, NJ
Union City, NJ
West New York, NJ
New York

Bay Shore, NY
Brentwood, NY
Central Islip, NY
Farmingville, NY
New York City, NY
Peekskill, NY
Riverhead, NY
Shirly/Mastic, NY
Uniondale, NY
Westbury, NY
North Carolina

Charlotte, NC
Raleigh
Winston-Salem
Oklahoma

Oklahoma City (de facto)

Tulsa
Oregon

Portland, OR
Texas

Austin, TX
Brownsville, TX
Denton, Tx
Dallas, TX
Ft.Worth, TX
Houston, TX
Katy, TX
Laredo, TX
Mcallen, TX
San Antonio, TX [Note: The Sanctuary status of San Antonio is under dispute so OJJPAC is researching the issue.]
Utah

Provo, UT

Salt Lake City, UT
Virginia

Fairfax County, VA (?)

Wisconsin

Madison, WI

Wyoming

Jackson Hole, WY

Additional Notes:

One reader wrote:

Oklahoma City is a sanctuary city de facto. Police officers have been told not to stop any Hispanic for minor traffic violations, because they have a good chance of being illegal and it is a waste of time. The City has not been enforcing City Code if the recipient of the code violation doesn't speak English. And is not attempting to enforce the single-family dwelling laws.
Research Resources

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by jhale667
...While I agree this case in particular IS more about the need for tougher DUI laws, I can state as a California resident, the illegal immigration situation is completely out of hand, and something drastic needs to be done. Any illegal caught should be immediately deported, do not pass go. As for this Ramos guy, he should ROT for eternity... :mad:

You're in LA?

Check out this organization running in LA

http://www.chirla.org/new/

Looks innocent enough right? Well, see if you can get into one of their classes. They teach what to do to keep from getting deported if they commit a crime (or driving offense) and are confronted by the Police.

[BITEYOASS]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Sanctuary Cities: What are they?

By Steve Salvi

Despite a federal law that requires local governments to cooperate with Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Agency, many large urban cities (and some small) have adopted so-called "sanctuary policies." Generally, sanctuary policies instruct city employees not to notify the federal government of the presence of illegal aliens living in their communities. The policies also end the distinction between legal and illegal immigration -- so illegal aliens often benefit from city services too.

The justification of creating sanctuary cities is often under the guise of protecting "immigrant rights." But illegal aliens are not immigrants -- immigrants come to the US legally, and maintain their legal presence. When a person is illegally smuggled into the US or knowingly violates their visa restrictions -- he/she is not an immigrant or visitor, but an illegal alien subject to deportation. The real reason behind sanctuary policies are public officials bowing to political pressure from the open-border lobby -- and/or an attempt to pander for votes at election time.

The bottom-line is that US cities with sanctuary policies provide safe havens for illegal aliens and/or terrorists in America. These policies allow criminal aliens to avoid deportation because they prevent local police from reporting foreign criminals to ICE.

Click here to read one city's (Tulsa, OK) police department policy. [Note: File may take a couple of minutes to download--so be patient.]

Voters need to demand that their public officials take US security seriously, and repeal these idiotic sanctuary policies. Does your city have a sanctuary policy? View the list below to see if your city is on this reader submitted list.




List of US Sanctuary Cities*

*Note: Not independently confirmed by OJJPAC. If you believe a city should not be listed, please send an email, and OJJPAC will attempt to verify. Last updated: 12-16-06



State/City

Alabama

Alabaster, AL
Arizona

Phoenix, AZ
California

Bell Gardens, CA
City of Industry, CA
City of Commerce, CA
Cypress, CA
Davis CA
Diamond Bar, CA
Downey, CA
Lakewood, CA
Los Angeles, CA
Long Beach, CA
Lynwood, CA
Maywood, CA
Montebello, CA
National City, CA
Norwalk, CA
Paramount, CA
Pico Rivera, CA
Sonoma County, CA
So. Gate, CA
San Diego, CA
San Francisco, CA
Vernon, CA
Wilmington, CA
Colorado

Aurora, CO
Commerce City, CO
Denver, CO
Federal Heights, CO
Fort Collins CO
Thornton, CO
Westminster, CO
Connecticut

Springfield CT (Disputed)
Florida

DeLeon Springs, FL

Deltona, Fl

Miami, FL
Sanford, Fl
Illinois

Chicago, IL
Massachusetts

Cambridge, Mass.
Maryland

Baltmore, MD
Gaithersburg, MD
Takoma Park, MD
Minnesota

Minneapolis, MN
St. Paul, MN
New Jersey

Camden, NJ
Fort Lee, NJ
Jersey City, NJ
North Bergen, NJ
Trenton, NJ
Union City, NJ
West New York, NJ
New York

Bay Shore, NY
Brentwood, NY
Central Islip, NY
Farmingville, NY
New York City, NY
Peekskill, NY
Riverhead, NY
Shirly/Mastic, NY
Uniondale, NY
Westbury, NY
North Carolina

Charlotte, NC
Raleigh
Winston-Salem
Oklahoma

Oklahoma City (de facto)

Tulsa
Oregon

Portland, OR
Texas

Austin, TX
Brownsville, TX
Denton, Tx
Dallas, TX
Ft.Worth, TX
Houston, TX
Katy, TX
Laredo, TX
Mcallen, TX
San Antonio, TX [Note: The Sanctuary status of San Antonio is under dispute so OJJPAC is researching the issue.]
Utah

Provo, UT

Salt Lake City, UT
Virginia

Fairfax County, VA (?)

Wisconsin

Madison, WI

Wyoming

Jackson Hole, WY

Additional Notes:

One reader wrote:

Oklahoma City is a sanctuary city de facto. Police officers have been told not to stop any Hispanic for minor traffic violations, because they have a good chance of being illegal and it is a waste of time. The City has not been enforcing City Code if the recipient of the code violation doesn't speak English. And is not attempting to enforce the single-family dwelling laws.
Research Resources

Got a solution, send em all to city of Detroit (not the suburbs)! That way it can boost the city population and they can warn their friends back in Mexico or wherever not to come to america. Hell, send em all to every other city that has lost half of their population over the years. :D

[BITEYOASS]

They'll just love Jackson, MI too. Cold as fuck in the winter, smells like old tires, highest Rape rate in the country and right next to the largest walled maximum security prison in the world. Yep, my hometown! But watch out for the locals, they get pretty pissed when their unemployed. :D

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
My husband was grossly misinformed.

Birds of a feather... ;)

[FORD]

It would seem that drunk driving illegal aliens (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x587216) are the GOP Astroturf talking point of the day.

Gee, wonder what tomorrow's talking point will be :rolleyes:

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Sanctuary Cities: What are they?


Fairfax County, VA (?)



bullshit.

and i speak on some pretty good authority here.


mind you, we don't fully enforce FEDERAL immigration laws. though we do call the feds. (who in turn, unless it's a gang member, terrorist suspect or violent criminal, tell us to issue a citation to appear in court to the illegal immigrant and then tell us to let them go.)

but the real issue comes down to, are we, as a local government going to enforce, at local taxpayer expense, a federal responsibility? especially when we don't have the power to deport people? answer: no.

it's a complete passing of the buck (and of the buck$) to have the federal government say that it's passed laws enabling local governments to do immigration policing. but they don't fund it. at most, they pay for the training. but the time that local police officers spend doing FEDERAL immigration laws? paid for out of local tax dollars.

i'm all for the federal government more properly enforcing immigration law. and to be perfectly honest, while i'm not overly in favor of it, i won't complain too badly if the feds delegate to state and local governments that authority, so long as the feds FUND it.

but i am really, really sick and tired of the federal government pretending that empowering municipalities to deal with the federal issue that they won't address is anything other than an unfunded federal mandate.

[FORD]

You would think the federal government WOULD help Fairfax County of all places. Don't they occupy most of the real estate?

[irish luck]

sounds like you're racist. As Ford said, this is NOT an illegal alien issue, this was a crime committed because the person was under the influence. It could have just as easily been an american citizen who did this.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by irish luck
sounds like you're racist. As Ford said, this is NOT an illegal alien issue, this was a crime committed because the person was under the influence. It could have just as easily been an american citizen who did this.

Again, read the thread before you spout off with stupid statements.

:gulp:

[scamper]

Originally posted by irish luck
sounds like you're racist. As Ford said, this is NOT an illegal alien issue, this was a crime committed because the person was under the influence. It could have just as easily been an american citizen who did this.

What does race have to do with being illegal?

[BITEYOASS]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
bullshit.

and i speak on some pretty good authority here.


mind you, we don't fully enforce FEDERAL immigration laws. though we do call the feds. (who in turn, unless it's a gang member, terrorist suspect or violent criminal, tell us to issue a citation to appear in court to the illegal immigrant and then tell us to let them go.)

but the real issue comes down to, are we, as a local government going to enforce, at local taxpayer expense, a federal responsibility? especially when we don't have the power to deport people? answer: no.

it's a complete passing of the buck (and of the buck$) to have the federal government say that it's passed laws enabling local governments to do immigration policing. but they don't fund it. at most, they pay for the training. but the time that local police officers spend doing FEDERAL immigration laws? paid for out of local tax dollars.

i'm all for the federal government more properly enforcing immigration law. and to be perfectly honest, while i'm not overly in favor of it, i won't complain too badly if the feds delegate to state and local governments that authority, so long as the feds FUND it.

but i am really, really sick and tired of the federal government pretending that empowering municipalities to deal with the federal issue that they won't address is anything other than an unfunded federal mandate.

The federal government needs to make a rewards system for states who turn in violators of federal crimes. Have the Marshalls pick em up at the jail. This could free up federal agencies and reduce the bloated beauracracy that exists now. Maybe even eliminate or consolidate these agencies.

[Ellyllions]

In my little town, we had a filing cabinet full of felony warrants for people of Hispanic origin that we couldn't "find". It took us 2 years to get the INS attention. They finally came and we helped them round up over 2,000 illegals and served the federal warrants on them. INS contracted busses to transport them to DC for "processing".

Processing meant that they were given an appointment to apply for a VISA told when to come in for the application process and turned loose.

No court date for the warrants and the felony charges just disappeared.

Didn't take them long to make their way from DC back to our town. And there was nothing to hold them to the appointment for VISA processing....

In short, if you or I get into trouble with the law we make our way through the court system. If the same happens to an illegal...well...doesn't take much to get out of it because it seems that we don't know what to do with them.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by FORD
You would think the federal government WOULD help Fairfax County of all places. Don't they occupy most of the real estate?


not most, but they occupy a decent amount: fort belvoir and langley being the 2 biggest and most well known. then they've got a couple of other smaller, more secretive agencies that are housed here. (seriously, when they sign the leases, they don't say who it's for...)

but, as a total of our office space and/or landmass, they may be a plurality, but we've definitely got a tremendous amount non-federal government land/businesses.

[Nickdfresh]

Well, they'll own a little less in Fairfax shortly...

[FORD]

Originally posted by scamper
What does race have to do with being illegal?

Apparently everything. Because the entire anti-immigrant focus is always on brown skinned people who speak Spanish.

If an Irish drunk snuck into this country through the Canadian border and killed someone while DUI, you would never hear a thing about his lack of a green card.

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Originally posted by irish luck
sounds like you're racist. As Ford said, this is NOT an illegal alien issue, this was a crime committed because the person was under the influence. It could have just as easily been an american citizen who did this.

Sounds like you're an idiot, the illegals are running rampant doing pretty much whatever the hell they want and getting away with it, because the politicians have tied the hands of law enforcement. This individual was already breaking the law by entering this country illegally. And on top of that he was behind the wheel of a car with no valid drivers license and no insurance. Now he has become a burden to taxpayers who will be paying for his meals, clothing, cable tv, workout sessions and ice cream socials in prison.

[FORD]

Originally posted by BITEYOASS
The federal government needs to make a rewards system for states who turn in violators of federal crimes. Have the Marshalls pick em up at the jail. This could free up federal agencies and reduce the bloated beauracracy that exists now. Maybe even eliminate or consolidate these agencies.

The absolute best way to free up law enforcement on ALL levels would be to legalize drugs. Or at least marijuana.

But that's an entirely different thread.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well, they'll own a little less in Fairfax shortly...

huh? you talking about rumsfeld's old setback requirement? whatever we might lose to that is more than made up for by the BRAC process' 22,500 new jobs we're adding (stealing from steve's arlington...)

[jhale667]

Originally posted by FORD
Apparently everything. Because the entire anti-immigrant focus is always on brown skinned people who speak Spanish.

If an Irish drunk snuck into this country through the Canadian border and killed someone while DUI, you would never hear a thing about his lack of a green card.

Yeah, but he wouldn't be living in a 1-bedroom apartment with 20 members of his family, hanging out on street corners drinking all day "looking for work". I'm telling ya, this shit is out of hand. I could give a fuck what color they are.

And as for CHIRLA, Elly....what a fucking joke. :mad:

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
Sounds like you're an idiot, the illegals are running rampant doing pretty much whatever the hell they want and getting away with it, because the politicians have tied the hands of law enforcement. This individual was already breaking the law by entering this country illegally. And on top of that he was behind the wheel of a car with no valid drivers license and no insurance. Now he has become a burden to taxpayers who will be paying for his meals, clothing, cable tv, workout sessions and ice cream socials in prison.

Well said, Mr. VP.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
huh? you talking about rumsfeld's old setback requirement? whatever we might lose to that is more than made up for by the BRAC process' 22,500 new jobs we're adding (stealing from steve's arlington...)

A dormant part of FT Belvoir is being turned over to build another road, which is needed.:)

[knuckleboner]

heh heh. you talking about the EPG site? if so, you THINK it's being turned over. unfortunately, although the funds to build it are already set aside, the state and the army can't quite come to a final agreement.