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Hardrock69
04-30-2007, 10:32 AM
Apr 28, 2007 12:00 am US/Eastern

(AP) BOGOTA, Colombia Cocaine prices in the United States have dropped and the drug's purity increased, despite years of effort and nearly $5 billion spent by the U.S. government to combat Colombia's drug industry, the White House drug czar acknowledged in a letter to a key senator.

The drug czar, John Walters, wrote Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, that retail cocaine prices fell by 11 percent from February 2005 to October 2006, to about $135 per gram of pure cocaine — hovering near the same levels since the early 1990s. In 1981, when the U.S. government began collecting data, a gram of pure cocaine fetched $600.

The purity of this cocaine, meanwhile, has “trended somewhat toward former levels,” as well, Walters said in the letter, citing data from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

Colombia supplies 90 percent of the cocaine consumed in the United States. Declining prices and rising purity could also suggest weakening demand, but several household and school-based surveys show that America's cocaine consumption has barely budged since 2000, and demand in Europe has increased.

Colombia's president, Alvaro Uribe, is set to meet with President Bush at the White House on Wednesday to discuss U.S. support for Plan Colombia, the anti-narcotics and counterinsurgency program that has cost American taxpayers more than $4 billion since 2000.

Walters' letter to Grassley, the Republican co-chair of the Senate Caucus on International Narcotics Control, was sent in January in response to a request from the senator. It was made available to The Associated Press by the Washington Office on Latin America, a liberal lobby group.

U.S. officials have insisted repeatedly that Plan Colombia is reducing the quality and availability of to American users.

But Grassley, in an e-mailed statement to the AP, said the new data is “all the proof that anybody needs” that the White House drug office “has gotten quite good at spinning the numbers, but cooking the books doesn't help our efforts to curb cocaine and heroin production and consumption.”

Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., said senior U.S. Embassy officials gave him older, more encouraging data during a visit to Bogota in March — two months after the drug czar quietly released his more downbeat appraisal.

“We've given this program a chance to work and clearly this is not producing the results we were promised,” McGovern said. “Cocaine is priced as low and purity is as high as it was before Plan Colombia began six years and $5 billion ago.”

Rafael Lemaitre, a spokesman for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, told the AP that Walters would not comment on the letter but Lemaitre described it as “an accurate reflection of our agency's thoughts on the issue.”

In November 2005, Walters announced that cocaine prices had risen by 19 percent and purity had dropped by about the same. He touted the development as a sign that the United States had turned the corner in the drug war. Drug policy experts rejected his assertions at the time, and Grassley called for his dismissal.

“When the data show a brief rise in cocaine prices, the drug czar holds a high-profile press conference,” said Adam Isacson, an analyst at the Washington-based Center for International Policy. “But when the trend goes back down again, the drug czar sends it in a letter to one senator. Why is that?”


http://wjz.com/topstories/topstories_story_118000134.html

BITEYOASS
04-30-2007, 11:21 AM
Of course Cocaine has to compete with Meth. Which is the reason for the price drop.

Hardrock69
04-30-2007, 02:38 PM
I bet Coke sales have dropped a lot due to Meth.....

But then, what is stupid is that nobody needs "statistics" or "studies" to show the drug war is a failure.

Anyone with half a brain understands that a "war on drugs" can never be won.

Fucking pathetic.

But the government wants to keep up the facade.

They have to keep the drugs illegal so they can keep making billions by importing cocaine into the US.

FORD
04-30-2007, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by BITEYOASS
Of course Cocaine has to compete with Meth. Which is the reason for the price drop.

Well, at least cocaine is plant based.

Hardrock69
05-01-2007, 09:21 AM
Here is another relevant article:

The Farce Of
The War on Drugs
By Frosty Wooldridge
4-30-7

My brother Howard Wooldridge served as a decorated police officer and detective in Lansing, Michigan for 18 years. During that time, he collared killers, drunk drivers, child molesters, rapists, wife beaters and drug dealers. What he learned launched him on a crusade to stop the federal government's useless 35 year "War on Drugs."

My brother stands so passionate about his cause that he rode his horse Misty 3,300 miles coast to coast across America in 2005. To gain attention, his sweat-stained T-shirt read, "Cops Say Legalize Drugs: Ask Me Why."

The drug war costs American taxpayers $70 billion a year and over the past 35 years, costs approach a trillion dollars. Result? Drugs remain CHEAPER and MORE available than 35 years ago.

"The war on drugs," said Howard Wooldridge, one of the founders of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition at www.leap.cc. "How is that working for us in America? Is it reducing crime? Is it reducing rates of death and disease? Is it effective in keeping drugs and drug dealers away from our children? Is it making America safer and more prosperous? As my profession chases drugs, what are we missing? These are important questions as this prohibition approach costs us taxpayers some 70 billion dollars this year."

Wooldridge said, "As a police officer, I fought on the side of the 'good guys' for 18 years in the "War on Drugs," giving me ample actual experience in the trenches. After much time, consternation and out-and-out frustration in not achieving a single, stated goal in the long term, I came to the conclusion that we must be doing something wrong. It seemed no matter how many dealers we took off the streets, new ones immediately popped up to take their places. The prices for drugs kept falling, indicating an oversupply. The purity became better; heroin increased from 3.6 percent to near 50 percent purity between 1980 and 2007. The prison population kept increasing until over 70 percent of all inmates are there on some drug-related charge. The only thing we have to show for this terrible policy is that today after 36 years and a trillion tax dollars spent, illegal drugs are cheaper, stronger and very easy for our kids to buy."

In those 18 years, I listened to my brother Howard's frustrations each time we sat down for dinner. He bemoaned the senselessness of the drug war. The people within the department now work it to keep their jobs and nothing else. The "War on Drugs" exists to exist.

"Why has my profession been unable to make a dent?" Howard Wooldridge asked. "It has not been for lack of trying. Thousands of police officers have been shot and hundreds killed. We have arrested 36 million Americans for drug possession, use or sale. First, understand that drug dealers accept as a condition of employment-- death and long prison terms. We know there is an inexhaustible number of people who will risk death to make huge profits that prohibition generates. A second major reason is that when someone buys an illegal drug from a dealer, nobody calls 911 to report the 'crime.' It is very difficult for us to catch suspects when the phone does not ring. Neither the buyers nor the sellers see themselves as 'victims.'

"Drug gangs have spread like the plague out of the large cities and into medium and even small cities. Young teens join gangs to make 'easy,' big money selling drugs. Fifteen year olds are shot and killed every week because drug prohibition gives them this job option. Many Hispanic members are the first generation of immigrants who don't want to work hard like their parents. The role model in the barrio is the rich drug dealer, not the hard-working parent. A policy which many say is to protect kids actually causes hundreds of deaths a year and tens of thousands of destroyed young lives."

For any curious Americans, MS-13 gangs from El Salvador, now numbering 15,000 members, operate in 33 states according to a recent Newsweek report. They recruit our kids with easy money. Once in the gang, their lives stand at risk.

"On our borders customs officers spend huge amounts of time looking for smuggled drugs which allows them less time for catching the millions who cross illegally," Howard Wooldridge said. "The Coast Guard is focused on drugs and not the ships which bring over many hundreds of illegals in ships. In the century of 9/11 we should be focusing on threats to the nation and instead we are heavily engaged in a nearly four decade, failed policy of drug prohibition.

"The unintended consequences of this terrible war are needlessly destroying the lives of generations of America's youth. How many people do you know who have used an illegal drug, then put the drugs behind them and gone on to lead productive lives? US presidents, many members of our legislative bodies, tens of thousands of police officers have done exactly that. With imprisonment, those possibilities are eliminated. You can get over an addiction, but you will never get over a conviction

"Now envision a world where all drugs sell in state-regulated stores, not on street corners by teens which gets them killed. Imagine a world where the federal police focus on securing our borders from armed and unarmed invasion. Envision a world where terrorists don't buy weapons from money made selling drugs. Imagine a world where felony crime drops over 50 percent and local police focus on drunk drivers, child predators and terrorists. Envision a world where if one day you or a loved one has a drug problem, you see a doctor not a judge. America can have this world, if it repeals its laws of the New Prohibition."

Officer Howard J. Wooldridge (retired), Education Specialist, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (www.leap.cc), Washington DC


www.frostywooldridge.com


http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=recent&msg_recent=&rid=21294

FORD
05-01-2007, 09:40 AM
The war on drugs and the war on terra are both complete frauds, and for the same reason:

The source of the drugs and the terrorism is the Bush Criminal Empire.

Baby's On Fire
05-01-2007, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by FORD
The war on drugs and the war on terra are both complete frauds, and for the same reason:

The source of the drugs and the terrorism is the Bush Criminal Empire.


And the Spics. Don't forget the Spics.

jharp84
05-01-2007, 05:56 PM
I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE!!!!! YOU FUCKERS NAILED IT! BIG FUCKIN TIME!!! Juice Oh WHO THE FUCK AM I? I AM THE JUICE! IN seriousness Great post!! G.W YA CACHSUCK - That's hillbilly for Cocksucker!!!

Baby's On Fire
05-01-2007, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by jharp84
I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE!!!!! YOU FUCKERS NAILED IT! BIG FUCKIN TIME!!! Juice Oh WHO THE FUCK AM I? I AM THE JUICE! IN seriousness Great post!! G.W YA CACHSUCK - That's hillbilly for Cocksucker!!!

How do you say "cocksuck" in Spic?

If you're into cocaine, you should show proper appreciation to the Spics.

One of my favourite movies is Carlito's Way. Some good stereotypical Spics in that movie.

FORD
05-01-2007, 08:13 PM
What color sheets do Canadian Klansmen wear?

And do you guys burn crosses or giant wooden maple leafs?

Baby's On Fire
05-01-2007, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by FORD
What color sheets do Canadian Klansmen wear?

And do you guys burn crosses or giant wooden maple leafs?


I was waiting for this. Jesus you can be a dickhead sometimes. Call a spade a spade. You left wing lunatics think EVERYTHING is racist.

And does cocaince come from Sweden FORD?

Jesust Christ I'm a liberal and think you're way over the top.

You need to get a sense of sarcasm and lighten the fuck up.

FORD
05-01-2007, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
I was waiting for this. Jesus you can be a dickhead sometimes. Call a spade a spade. You left wing lunatics think EVERYTHING is racist.


See, there you go again..... spade is a racist term against blacks! :mad:


And does cocaince come from Sweden FORD?

Any country that produces ABBA, the Volvo, Ace of Base, and the cheese "metal" band Europe must be doing a LOT of drugs!


Jesust Christ I'm a liberal and think you're way over the top.

You need to get a sense of sarcasm and lighten the fuck up.

I don't find a lot of humor in racism. Or homophobia or any of that kind of shit.

Hardrock69
05-02-2007, 12:12 AM
Baby's Shit Is On Fire does though apparently....

FORD
05-02-2007, 02:28 AM
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Nitro Express
05-02-2007, 03:42 AM
My sister lived in Peru and Equador. The whole countryside is awash in cocoa leaves. The indians chew them and I used them as an altitude sickness medicine while climbing in the Andes. Nothing more than feeling like you had a few cups of coffee. One person I was with was having seriouse problems with the altitude 18,000 feet and the cocoa tea the locals make sure helped.

Processed cocain is a distilation of what's in those leaves. I think the local people in South America are too smart to mess with that shit and plus they don't have the money to waste on it. The Pablo Escabars or whoever replaces them are products of Americans in the US having to have their drugs.

The sollution? Legalize it but regulate it. Ruin it's value. Cocaine costs pennies to make. Even if 99% of the shipments are siezed that 1% that gets through is still worth being in the cocaine smuggling business.

svrwthr
05-02-2007, 06:28 PM
Didn't the Army just run trough mega poppy fields chasing down Al-quada in Afghanistan? They should have torched it.

I agree FORD about racist comments like spic, ****** and whatever but you know the culture in the world will never change when they all keep wanting more while sitting on their asses. I won't go into my bitch about it much but like the illegal immigrant thing, they deserve no breaks, they are illegal. Blacks do not deserve an apology or given better paying jobs unless the earn it. Hell, I am third gen norwegian so my family never owned a slave and always been in north free of slavery. People are pissed off and use improper terms because people give more rights to minorities and keep giving but it is never enough and it still pisses of whitey because of it. Someday it will all even out though, so bare with the racist or non racist but uses terms that should not be used, just to a certain extent. As an admin of my own little forum, comments like cunt, spic, ****** and other major words I don't agree with usage for, can be word filtered to be changed automatically to something somewhat more respectful but yet getting point of the persons anger across. If people dont like that censorship, well maybe this isn't their forum then. Maybe they should join this forum http://www.tightrope.cc/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Thank God I teach my daughter the words and tell her I will kick her ass if she ever uses any of those words.

pflo
05-02-2007, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by FORD
The war on drugs and the war on terra are both complete frauds, and for the same reason:

The source of the drugs and the terrorism is the Bush Criminal Empire. Bush protected your ass from Bin Ladens next attacks. You owe him your life, show some respect.

FORD
05-02-2007, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by pflo
Bush protected your ass from Bin Ladens next attacks. You owe him your life, show some respect.

Damn, PFledophile, you can't even lie anymore. Get lost.......

pflo
05-02-2007, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by FORD




I don't find a lot of humor in racism. Or homophobia or any of that kind of shit. But you have no problem making BASELESS accusations of someone being a pedophile! Get over yourself- you are not as cool as you like to think you are.Just like squalen, a legend in your own mind. Hippocrate. Go ahead and delete, mr paranoid.

BALLYJUNKIE
05-02-2007, 08:07 PM
its unbelievable to me why people destroy thier bodies ,when they could do just the opposite ,and feel a 100 times better !!!

BALLYJUNKIE
05-02-2007, 08:07 PM
its unbelievable to me why people destroy thier bodies ,when they could do just the opposite ,and feel a 100 times better !!!

FORD
05-02-2007, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by pflo
But you have no problem making BASELESS accusations of someone being a pedophile! Get over yourself- you are not as cool as you like to think you are.Just like squalen, a legend in your own mind. Hippocrate. Go ahead and delete, mr paranoid.

Don't be comparing me to Slanderqueen when YOU follow me around this board and stalk me just like he does at Links.

You're worthless, P-FAG. You bring nothing to this board but spam and sheepshit. Pack your bags, because the ax is about to drop.........

pflo
05-02-2007, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by Nitro Express
My sister lived in Peru and Equador. The whole countryside is awash in cocoa leaves. The indians chew them and I used them as an altitude sickness medicine while climbing in the Andes. Nothing more than feeling like you had a few cups of coffee. One person I was with was having seriouse problems with the altitude 18,000 feet and the cocoa tea the locals make sure helped.

Processed cocain is a distilation of what's in those leaves. I think the local people in South America are too smart to mess with that shit and plus they don't have the money to waste on it. The Pablo Escabars or whoever replaces them are products of Americans in the US having to have their drugs.

The sollution? Legalize it but regulate it. Ruin it's value. Cocaine costs pennies to make. Even if 99% of the shipments are siezed that 1% that gets through is still worth being in the cocaine smuggling business. Unfortunately cocaine is not a drug that would be a good thing to cheapen and legalize, its too good. If everyone had cheap access to it there would be a lot more users, unlike pot, which most people just dont like , for whatever reason. Coke is a heart killer. Great buzz, but a bad drug.

Guitar Shark
05-02-2007, 08:12 PM
LOL. You usually come up with good nicknames FORD, but "Slanderqueen" is pretty weak.

pflo
05-02-2007, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Don't be comparing me to Slanderqueen when YOU follow me around this board and stalk me just like he does at Links.

You're worthless, P-FAG. You bring nothing to this board but spam and sheepshit. Pack your bags, because the ax is about to drop......... Go ahead and drop it, after all YOU have been following MY posts, and you are only a master of a website, not the real world. One parting shot, FUCK YOU.

Guitar Shark
05-02-2007, 08:16 PM
When did FORD become master of a website?

pflo
05-02-2007, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
When did FORD become master of a website? Good question. Ask him.He implies he is going to ban me- maybe "master "isnt the right word, how about "internet hall monitor ". Whatever. As much as we have the exact same political bent, Im sick of his paranoid shit. So ban me! I dont give a fuck, he hides behind his moniker, Ive posted my real name here. If he wants to back his shit up, he knows who to look for.

FORD
05-02-2007, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
When did FORD become master of a website?

No shit!! All this time I thought I was merely "Master of the Universe".......

http://secondnegative.com/images/skeletor.jpg

FORD
05-02-2007, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
LOL. You usually come up with good nicknames FORD, but "Slanderqueen" is pretty weak.

Yeah, but so is he. So it fits.

pflo
05-02-2007, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Yeah, but so is he. So it fits. how do you know?? Seriously, if youre in Washington state, we could hook up and compare notes.

pflo
05-02-2007, 09:03 PM
making baseless accusations of criminal activity ,even on the internet, is not smart, Ford.

pflo
05-02-2007, 11:28 PM
Cmon, Ford, you fat bitch, lets get it on.

FORD
05-02-2007, 11:43 PM
Blow me.

pflo
05-03-2007, 12:43 AM
blow me? sounds like your hiding behind a keyboard yet again. C'mon, bitch, OWN UP!

Dan
05-03-2007, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by pflo
Squalen is a legend in Sucking Cock.

Van Squalen is a Fucking Sheep just like you.

FORD
05-03-2007, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by pflo
blow me? sounds like your hiding behind a keyboard yet again. C'mon, bitch, OWN UP!

Own up?

I own YOU, cocksucker.

Guitar Shark
05-03-2007, 12:14 PM
You own a cocksucker?

For your sake I hope pflo is female.

FORD
05-03-2007, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
You own a cocksucker?

For your sake I hope pflo is female.

Well, whatever it is, it's gone :)

Diamondjimi
05-04-2007, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Well, whatever it is, it's gone :)

Ha , no shit .

PeeFLO another internet tough guy... :rolleyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Federaljim/pflo.jpg

Dan
05-04-2007, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by diamondjimi
Ha , no shit .

PeeFLO another internet tough guy... :rolleyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Federaljim/pflo.jpg

LMMFAO.

Angel
05-05-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by pflo
Bush protected your ass from Bin Ladens next attacks. You owe him your life, show some respect.

Who the fuck are you, a Canadian, to be saying that to an American regarding what their president has or has not done?! Not only that, but how can you call yourself a Canadian liberal, and back Bush????

You're an embarrasment to my country, and just another racist piece of shit that is ruining one of the great things that Canada can lay claim to. A tolerant, compassionate non-racist society.

Fuck off you piece of shit. FORD would make a better Canadian, and has a better understanding of our values, than you could ever hope to!:mad2:

hideyoursheep
05-05-2007, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by FORD
What color sheets do Canadian Klansmen wear?

Plaid. :p

hideyoursheep
05-05-2007, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by diamondjimi
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Federaljim/pflo.jpg


I swear to Lemme that's as funny as it gets...


So pflo is the asshole at the renniseance festival in the stocks insulting passers-by that everyone pays to throw tomatoes at?

(no, I can't spell renisance or whatever the fuck)

FORD
05-05-2007, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by hideyoursheep
Plaid. :p

No, that's the Scottish Klansmen ;)

FORD
05-05-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Angel
Who the fuck are you, a Canadian, to be saying that to an American regarding what their president has or has not done?! Not only that, but how can you call yourself a Canadian liberal, and back Bush????

You're an embarrasment to my country, and just another racist piece of shit that is ruining one of the great things that Canada can lay claim to. A tolerant, compassionate non-racist society.

Fuck off you piece of shit. FORD would make a better Canadian, and has a better understanding of our values, than you could ever hope to!:mad2:


Excellent rant! Too bad you didn't get to post it before he was banned. And I hope you guys get rid of Little Stevie Wonderbush Harper soon, because if 2008 is Diebolded or even Hillarized, I may yet consider moving north.

Angel
05-05-2007, 11:34 PM
Oh, he'll see it. He'll take a look at the board from a different computer, everyone does.

Stevie won't last, and will never get a majority government. Being a minority keeps him at bay.

Eddie's Booze
05-07-2007, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
Apr 28, 2007 12:00 am US/Eastern

(AP) BOGOTA, Colombia Cocaine prices in the United States have dropped and the drug's purity increased, despite years of effort and nearly $5 billion spent by the U.S. government to combat Colombia's drug industry, the White House drug czar acknowledged in a letter to a key senator.

The drug czar, John Walters, wrote Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, that retail cocaine prices fell by 11 percent from February 2005 to October 2006, to about $135 per gram of pure cocaine — hovering near the same levels since the early 1990s. In 1981, when the U.S. government began collecting data, a gram of pure cocaine fetched $600.

The purity of this cocaine, meanwhile, has “trended somewhat toward former levels,” as well, Walters said in the letter, citing data from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

Colombia supplies 90 percent of the cocaine consumed in the United States. Declining prices and rising purity could also suggest weakening demand, but several household and school-based surveys show that America's cocaine consumption has barely budged since 2000, and demand in Europe has increased.

Colombia's president, Alvaro Uribe, is set to meet with President Bush at the White House on Wednesday to discuss U.S. support for Plan Colombia, the anti-narcotics and counterinsurgency program that has cost American taxpayers more than $4 billion since 2000.

Walters' letter to Grassley, the Republican co-chair of the Senate Caucus on International Narcotics Control, was sent in January in response to a request from the senator. It was made available to The Associated Press by the Washington Office on Latin America, a liberal lobby group.

U.S. officials have insisted repeatedly that Plan Colombia is reducing the quality and availability of to American users.

But Grassley, in an e-mailed statement to the AP, said the new data is “all the proof that anybody needs” that the White House drug office “has gotten quite good at spinning the numbers, but cooking the books doesn't help our efforts to curb cocaine and heroin production and consumption.”

Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., said senior U.S. Embassy officials gave him older, more encouraging data during a visit to Bogota in March — two months after the drug czar quietly released his more downbeat appraisal.

“We've given this program a chance to work and clearly this is not producing the results we were promised,” McGovern said. “Cocaine is priced as low and purity is as high as it was before Plan Colombia began six years and $5 billion ago.”

Rafael Lemaitre, a spokesman for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, told the AP that Walters would not comment on the letter but Lemaitre described it as “an accurate reflection of our agency's thoughts on the issue.”

In November 2005, Walters announced that cocaine prices had risen by 19 percent and purity had dropped by about the same. He touted the development as a sign that the United States had turned the corner in the drug war. Drug policy experts rejected his assertions at the time, and Grassley called for his dismissal.

“When the data show a brief rise in cocaine prices, the drug czar holds a high-profile press conference,” said Adam Isacson, an analyst at the Washington-based Center for International Policy. “But when the trend goes back down again, the drug czar sends it in a letter to one senator. Why is that?”


http://wjz.com/topstories/topstories_story_118000134.html
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