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BigBadBrian
05-16-2007, 04:08 PM
Iraq Withdrawal Move Thwarted in Senate
By ANNE FLAHERTY
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -

0515dv-ft-drum The Senate on Wednesday rejected legislation that would cut off money for combat operations in Iraq after March 31, 2008.

The vote was a loss for Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., and other Democrats who want to end the war. But the effort picked up support from members, including presidential hopefuls previously reluctant to limit war funding - an indication of the conflict's unpopularity among voters.

The proposal lost 29-67 on a procedural vote, falling 31 votes short of the necessary votes to advance. Of the 67 senators who opposed Feingold's proposal, there were 19 Democrats, 47 Republicans and Connecticut Independent Joseph Lieberman. Of the 29 supporting, 28 were Democrats and Vermont Independent Bernard Sanders.

The Senate also narrowly rejected a proposal by Republican moderates intended to challenge President Bush's war policy, after Democratic lashed out against the proposal as too weak. The 52-44 vote fell eight votes shy of the required 60.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democratic presidential front-runner, previously opposed setting a deadline on the war. But she said she agreed to back the measure "because we, as a united party, must work together with clarity of purpose and mission to begin bringing our troops home and end this war."

Sen. Barack Obama, another leading 2008 prospect, said he would prefer a plan that offers more flexibility but wanted "to send a strong statement to the Iraqi government, the president and my Republican colleagues that it's long past time to change course."

The proposal had been expected to fall short of the 60 votes needed to advance under Senate rules, but was intended to gauge the tolerance of members on anti-war legislation. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid staged a series of war votes Wednesday to inform negotiations with the House on a war spending bill.

"We stand united.... in our belief that troops are enmeshed in an intractable civil war," said Reid, D-Nev.

Feingold's measure, co-sponsored by Reid and Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., proved divisive for Democrats.

Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said he opposes any measure that cuts off money for the war.

"We don't want to send the message to the troops" that Congress does not support them, said Levin, D-Mich. "We're going to support those troops."

But other Democrats said the move was necessary.

"I'm not crazy about the language in the Feingold amendment, but I am crazy about the idea that we have to keep the pressure on," said Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., who also wants the Democratic presidential nomination.

The second measure, drafted by Sen. John Warner, would have threatened billions of dollars in U.S. aid to Iraq if Baghdad failed to implement certain political and security reforms. But in a last-minute change to the proposal to gain White House acceptance, Warner added a provision allowing the president to waive the restriction.

It "is really very tepid, very weak," said Reid, who supports cutting off funding for combat next year. "A cup of tea that's been sitting on the counter for a few weeks. ... You wouldn't want to drink that tea. You wouldn't want to vote for this amendment."

Warner, R-Va., defended the measure as carefully negotiated and "a good-faith effort to do my very best."

The Senate must take the next step by passing its own measure. Given the political forces at work, that legislation will be a placeholder, its only purpose to trigger three-way negotiations involving the House, Senate and Bush administration on a final compromise.

As a result, officials said Tuesday that Reid and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell had discussed jointly advancing a bill so barebones that it would contain no funds and do little more than express congressional support for the troops.

Negotiations on the final compromise are expected to take days.

Wednesday's votes on Feingold and other proposals "will provide strong guidance to our conferees and help shape the conference negotiations we have ahead of us," said Reid.

Levin pulled from the floor his proposal to set an Oct. 1 date to begin troop withdrawals, but allow the president to waive that requirement. He had pitched the idea with the expectation that the president would accept it because of the waiver; but, Levin said Wednesday he had been advised by the White House that the president would veto the measure regardless.

Link (http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-cong/2007/may/16/051601438.html)

BigBadBrian
05-16-2007, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democratic presidential front-runner, previously opposed setting a deadline on the war. But she said she agreed to back the measure "because we, as a united party, must work together with clarity of purpose and mission to begin bringing our troops home and end this war."

Sen. Barack Obama, another leading 2008 prospect, said he would prefer a plan that offers more flexibility but wanted "to send a strong statement to the Iraqi government, the president and my Republican colleagues that it's long past time to change course."



There's the two members of your 2008 Presidential ticket, dems.

:gulp:

Guitar Shark
05-16-2007, 04:13 PM
They're terrible candidates, but they are correct on this issue. Sorry you don't see what 70% of the rest of the country sees.

BigBadBrian
05-16-2007, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
They're terrible candidates, but they are correct on this issue. Sorry you don't see what 70% of the rest of the country sees.

So what do you suppose would happen if we pulled out right now. Hmm?

Guitar Shark
05-16-2007, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
So what do you suppose would happen if we pulled out right now. Hmm?

Show me where Hilary or Obama say this in the article you posted. Hmm?

BigBadBrian
05-16-2007, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Show me where Hilary or Obama say this in the article you posted. Hmm?

C'mon, isn't pulling out now what all you DemocRATS want?

DEMON CUNT
05-16-2007, 04:22 PM
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Guitar Shark
05-16-2007, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
C'mon, isn't pulling out now what all you DemocRATS want?

Sweeping generalizations... unclever wordplay... and you wonder why nobody respects you here.

BigBadBrian
05-16-2007, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Sweeping generalizations... unclever wordplay... and you wonder why nobody respects you here.

I couldn't care less what those of your ilk think. You all are not known to be the brightest bunch. Respect is definitely a partisan street around here.

Anyhow as for "Sweeping generalizations... unclever wordplay" I think that's a rabid disease around here, particularly from the Leftwing moonbats. Maybe you're just so biased as to not see it.

:cool:

Guitar Shark
05-16-2007, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Anyhow as for "Sweeping generalizations... unclever wordplay" I think that's a rabid disease around here, particularly from the Leftwing moonbats. Maybe you're just so biased as to not see it.



No, I definitely see it. "Repukes," etc... it's just as bad if not worse on the other side. It's something I never participate in; I don't want to be part of that.

Guess I can now add "Leftwing moonbats" to that list.

BigBadBrian
05-16-2007, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
No, I definitely see it. "Repukes," etc... it's just as bad if not worse on the other side. It's something I never participate in; I don't want to be part of that.

Come on...you've definitely done your fair shair of name-calling around here. Your hands are dirty just like everyone elses.


Guess I can now add "Leftwing moonbats" to that list.

There's a good graphic to go with it: :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/gregorymark/MOONBAT-LOGO.jpg

Guitar Shark
05-16-2007, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Come on...you've definitely done your fair shair of name-calling around here. Your hands are dirty just like everyone elses.


To a select few who deserve it, yes. :) No sweeping generalizations however, at least I try not to.

DEMON CUNT
05-16-2007, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Leftwing moonbats.

A term pulled straight out of the O'Reilly playbook.

Obviously, Bill O'Reilly is the source for much of BigBland's mistaken and ignorant notions.

Nickdfresh
05-16-2007, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
There's the two members of your 2008 Presidential ticket, dems.

:gulp:

Yeah, so? What's your point? That Republican candidates that by-and-large support aimlessly continuing an unpopular (civil) war are going to win or something?

EAT MY ASSHOLE
05-17-2007, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
So what do you suppose would happen if we pulled out right now. Hmm?

If only your daddy had had the good sense to have pulled out, you dumb twat.

Satan
05-17-2007, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
C'mon, isn't pulling out now what all you DemocRATS want?

Too bad it isn't what Barbara Bush wanted back in 1946 :(

Lqskdiver
05-17-2007, 03:55 PM
Everyone wants the boys home. It's been long enough. October will really show where we are at with the current surge. But regardless, I think it's time to bring back the majority of the troops and slowly start weening the Iraqi army. It's still our mess. But it's their country after all.

I see all this start to happen by years end.

DEMON CUNT
05-18-2007, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver
Everyone wants the boys home. It's been long enough. October will really show where we are at with the current surge. But regardless, I think it's time to bring back the majority of the troops and slowly start weening the Iraqi army. It's still our mess. But it's their country after all.

I see all this start to happen by years end.

Cheers to that.