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Panamark
05-19-2007, 09:55 PM
Man,

Check this shit out...

http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=GI100&lang=eng

Anyone ever used one ?? Sounds great in principal,
direct recording to your DAW (or multitrack)
without having to mike up your AMP...

I just stumbled across this, its cheap too (under $100)
and can handle direct outputs of AMPS up to 3000W !!

Panamark
05-19-2007, 09:56 PM
http://www.behringer.com/GI100/gi100_medium.jpg

BrownSound1
05-20-2007, 05:51 AM
Most of those types of things always seem to lose something when it comes to tone. Probably ok though for demos 'n shit though. I've never tried this particular one, so I'm not going to generalize and say it sucks ass without hearing it. :D I have seen speaker simulators used to great effect in conjuction with a microphone. And also as the start of an effects chain so you can do the wet/dry type of thing.

Panamark
05-20-2007, 07:04 AM
It got some good reviews on the forum where I read about it..
Must have a pretty freakin awesome input to be able to
take a simple guitar pickup output, right up to the main output
of a power amp !! (Up to 3000watts)

You still have to have your cab in the chain (Or a power
soak).....

I think Im going to grab one, its so cheap, worth a try...
Would be interested to hear if others have used this one..

ELVIS
05-20-2007, 08:47 AM
I have one, it works, though I don't use it...

A little noise sounds good to me...:D

kentuckyklira
05-20-2007, 12:37 PM
I use Hughes & Kettner Red Box Pros as guitar DI boxes. They´re passive which makes em easy to use and I find they sound pretty good. They´re also not much more expensive than Behringers if you can find them.

eddie007
05-21-2007, 05:04 PM
Panamark,

I have been experimenting with this particular DI box since January.

I have also recorded with it as well.

The problem you run into is if you use it for recording it introduces phase problems and you end up cancelling out some of the frequencies - it makes things clearer ( no mud) but the phase issues get rid of some of the tone.

that is where the sterility comes from.

Radial Engineering makes some killer DI stuff you can use for guitar.They have phase adjustments and other bells and whistles.

Also, Palmer makes a better unit too.

I used a Hughes-Kettner DI with cab. simulator for recording in Feburary.Same as the Beringher - maybe a little better.

It is the first song on my my space page.

www.myspace.com/tjfullerproject

The recording came out O.K. but, you will hear how these boxes affect the signal Phase.

One speaker miked / the other DI'd into another Marshall.

Hope that helps!

ELVIS
05-21-2007, 08:40 PM
I spoke too quick on this...

Here's what I use to record straight to computer and it sounds GRATE for not a lot of money!

http://www.behringer.com/lx1-b/bass_vamp_range.jpg

That's the front and rear with the regular V-Amp on top. I have the pro rackmount version. I also have the blue guitar version, but the bass model, which is also for guitar and keyboard is voiced perfectly for guitar...

Anyway, it has the Ultra-G built in and the possibilities are almost endless.

Most of you know I use the ADA MP1 as my main guitar sound, which to my ears is the best...very reliable, versitle real tube overdrive, based on a late 60's Marshall Plexi...

Anyway, I set the Behringer on a 60's british simulation and run the ADA straight into the front, just as I do with my Super Leads, or Fender Deluxes and BINGO...INSTANT AWESOME TUBE TONE that's very user friendly and fun to tweak...

I have the red Ultra-G box, but since I bought the Bass V-Amp Pro, I haven't touched it...

I have all kinds of other pedals, effects and rack gear that I experiment with at different points in the chain, and that's a lot of fun also...

I'm getting ready to post some licks, and you'll get the idea of what I do with my sound and what I'm talking about...

At $150 some people laugh and call it a poor man's POD, but i think it sounds better and it's a steal...


:elvis:

Panamark
05-22-2007, 01:16 AM
Ive got the latest ver POD XT Elvis, and Ive done the Kuma Sutra
with it, and still not got the tone I want... :p

I think the Line6 POD is way overrated now..

I was going to play with my JCM-800 and this
GI-100 and if not happy, track down one of
those ADA's...

Ive been searchin for one of those ADA pre-amps here..
Farken expensive in Oz, even on Ebay..
I might pick one up on my next trip over there..

I was thinking of using the ADA and the GI-100
together via a Firewire M-Audio input..

I thought that might be ok ?

Thanks Eddie007 for your advise too, any pointers I genuinely
read and absorb... I listened to LetsgetRockin'2, not a bad tone,
but its not quite the tone Im after.. I want a bit more low-mid
in it.. I probably should listen to your track in my audio room,
as Im sitting on a PC at the moment with tinny $10 speakers..
Cool riff dude.. Funny you should mention the Palmer DI, I saw
that unit after I ordered the GI100, ah well, its only cheap, so
I guess I will have a play with it..

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 01:34 AM
Yeah, I paid $780 for my first ADA MP1 back in 1990...

I just bought two more from ebay for $200 each...

Yeah you can run it like that into into your PC Fireware setup...

What do you have, exactly ??

I would run it into the POD XT...

The ADA has quite a bit of high end, much like a Marshall, so I use the Bass V-Amp to shape the EQ considerably...

I almost had a chance to plug my MP1 into a POD XT, but we ran out of time...

But I love my MP1 into my Bass V-AMP...

In fact, I'm hooking up my blue Guitar V-Amp right now to see if my first impressions were correct...

I bought the guitar version after falling in love with the Bass version - tried it once and put it back in the box...


:elvis:

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 01:36 AM
They look cool...:cool:

http://www.feelmusic.fr/upload/1039_gd.jpg


:elvis:

Panamark
05-22-2007, 01:41 AM
Hmmmmm.......

A Pre-amp into a POD...

No I wasnt thinking along those lines,
but now ya got me thinkin !!!! LOL... :p

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 01:44 AM
Dude, that's what I do, period...

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 01:48 AM
Right now I'm checking out the blue V-amp pro...

Got my main Yngwie-like Strat going straight in, then out stereo into two of my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe's...

Not bad so far...

Then after i'm done messing around, i'll dial in a good clean, midrange heavy tone, and try the ADA into that sound...

What most people compliment me on, right off the bat, is my tone...


:elvis:

Panamark
05-22-2007, 01:55 AM
Seems to me the pre-amp is my answer..
Theres always been *something* missing....

Do those ADA's have a DC power input by any chance ??
(Otherwise stuff from the US is a drama with
the AC voltage difference and the 50/60hz thing)

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 02:06 AM
No, they're 120VAC...

Check this place out...

ADA Depot (http://www.adadepot.com/)

Mark, if you ever trust me on anything, trust me on this and buy the cleanest example of an MP1 you can find...

Some have been abused, so, you know...

And stay away from the modified ones, at least until you become familiar with them...

Some of the mods are for increased gain and trust me, it don't need more. Especially with humbuckers...

But ADA Depot has has a good forum also, and any question you may have has probably been posted and addressed...

Check it out, my brother...;)


:elvis:

Panamark
05-22-2007, 02:09 AM
I WANT ONE !!

(I do trust ya on everything geetar related)

If I could find one under $500 in Oz, its mine :)

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 02:09 AM
So I'm trying out this blue V-amp and i'm about to put it back in the box like I did the first time...


The mids are kinda scooped and I don't care for that, whereas on the Bass V-Amp the mids are very pronounced and defined...


Hmmm...

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 02:11 AM
They're that much over there ??

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 02:14 AM
That little guitar thing I sent you where you said "Aerosmith on speed" is my ADA MP1 into my Bass V-AMP Pro straight into my analog line input on my Pro Tools sound card...

Not that that sounded good or anything...


LMAO!

Panamark
05-22-2007, 02:29 AM
KEWL ! I loved Aerosmith on Speed ! :D

And yeah, the ones I have seen so far on Ebay sold
for $500 plus here...

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 02:34 AM
Didn't put this blue thing back in the box yet...

Actually, it has some pretty good over drive and distortion tones of it's own...

Very convincing...


:elvis:

Panamark
05-22-2007, 03:10 AM
Elvis, for some reason I always end up jealous of you when
we start talking gear !

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 03:14 AM
Dude, I'm trying to figure out how to buy this...

http://i18.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a0/72/322a_1.JPG

Since I'm lefty and both an Yngwie and Hendrix freak, an upside down Malmsteen model in this color should suffice...

Doncha think ??

Even though my Strats are all set up similar to Yngwie's, I want a real Yngwie model...

I'll probably get a USA example...This one is Jap...

Good price, too... $817 Buy It Now...

Too bad I have an oral surgery appointment tomorrow...

Panamark
05-22-2007, 04:24 AM
If you did get this, would you then only play that guitar ??
Is there such a thing as the Holy Grail of strats for you ?
Is it this guitar ?

If yes, can you then sell your other 1000 ?? hehehheh

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by Panamark
If you did get this, would you then only play that guitar ??

No, it's hard to reach the upper frets on an upside own Strat...

Is there such a thing as the Holy Grail of strats for you ?

Maybe... It can probably be narrowed down to two or three, but all three would be similar to the Yngwie Signature Stratocaster...

One rosewood, one maple, and one with a mixture of American and Vintage reissue hardware...

yes, can you then sell your other 1000 ?? hehehheh

No way! Just park 'em up alond side of the rest...



Seriously though, an Yngwie Stratocaster is probably the best playing and sounding guitar on any showroom floor...

That is, if you like single coils and scalloped fretboards...



:elvis:

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 09:43 PM
Dude, I'm still sitting here noodling with by blue V-Amp pro...

I've decided to keep it...

It has some cool sounds I could never get with my other setup(s)...


:elvis:

Panamark
05-22-2007, 10:43 PM
Will let you know how the POD XT sounds via the GI-100...
Dont have the ADA yet though...

What if I used the DI output on my JCM800 instead of
the ADA ??

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 11:07 PM
You can try that...

Your JCM 800 has a DI pre-amp out ??

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 11:09 PM
You have this thing, or the rack version ??

http://tradingpost.sweetwater.com/images/200606101059310.85016.jpg

Panamark
05-22-2007, 11:22 PM
Yes to both above ! :)

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 11:28 PM
yeah dude, give it a try...

Pick a nice warm clean tone on the POD and turn the treble and a lot of the presence down on the 800...

See what happens...


:elvis:

ELVIS
05-22-2007, 11:32 PM
You can even go back into the power amp section on the Marshall...

I'm a tinkerer (is that a word?) and that's how or why I have a very unorthodox approach to getting tone...

I'd hook up a toaster if I thought it might work...:D

Panamark
05-22-2007, 11:58 PM
I ended up taking the JCM800 back to the Marshall shop..
So I will have to wait a week or so to try this, but it might
be cool !

Ive always been hesitant to screw around with my Marshall's
(Which is strange coz I screw around with anything else
electronic) lol...

But it seems a lot of dudes (like yourself) really get into
the "tinkering"

You ever run a variac at low voltage with your Marshalls ??
Im wondering how it would go here in Oz where our mains
is 240V AC...
How low can you drop the input voltage on these suckers ??

ELVIS
05-23-2007, 12:39 AM
I never tried that, and as far as I've read, the cons far outweigh any benefits...

Edward did not use his variac to get his overdrive tone, but to eliminate feedback at high volume...

As far as I've read, In the studio, Edward would have everything cranked to 11 and used the variac to cut his whole rig back a bit to combat feedback...

He didn't use it live...


:elvis:

ELVIS
05-23-2007, 01:19 AM
Mark...

List the equipment you and Mary have and I'll suggest a way to hook it up...