Footage from Flight 93 crash site

[DEMON CUNT]

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Discuss and talk shit...

[jhale667]

Has anyone ever explained/theorized why there was NO part of the aircraft intact? Just seems kinda odd....even if they went in nose first, shouldn't there have been a larger crater, or at least wing parts left? Just curious here....:rolleyes:

[ELVIS]

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/images/1/13/P200061.jpg


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/united93/planepart1.jpg


:elvis:

[frets5150]

Kind of quiet in here where are all the sheep?

[frets5150]

Originally posted by ELVIS
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/images/1/13/P200061.jpg


:elvis:


So what crash site is this from? So I take it the media was lying when they reported seeing no wreckage? Can't have it both ways which is it.


:rolleyes:

[knuckleboner]

who said the media was lying? the media get things wrong all the time, especially when they're trying to be first on the scene.

[FORD]

Where did the pictures come from that Elvis posted, and why are they only available on a "push the official story website" which hides its ownership (http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=debunk911myths.org&server=whois.publicinterestregistry.net&email=on)??

Anytime a website uses "private" registration and tries to conceal who they are and whom they represent, that's usually a sign that their agenda is less than honest.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by FORD
Where did the pictures come from that Elvis posted, and why are they only available on a "push the official story website" which hides its ownership (http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=debunk911myths.org&server=whois.publicinterestregistry.net&email=on)??

Anytime a website uses "private" registration and tries to conceal who they are and whom they represent, that's usually a sign that their agenda is less than honest.

Never seen those photos before...that's curious....

[FORD]

Yeah, they aren't quite as suspicious as that piece of a Diet Coke can that someone tried to pass off as an "airplane part" at the Pentagon "crash", but it's certainly funny how they only appeared when this mysterious website needed "evidence" to promote the "official story".

Next they'll be posting "Todd Beamer's" Social Security Card, claiming it was found in the wreckage :rolleyes:

[studly hungwell]

At that time, me and my then wife were living in Cleveland. She worked with a National Gaurdsman that was called out to assist with the crash site. He informed her that Flight 93 was shot down. I don't know his background, don't know his source, can't even remember his name...my ex probably does. What if it was shot down? Given the circumstances I could understand it. Truth be told..had the National Gaurd known 1/2 hour before they all would have been shot down. If it was shot down I don't begrudge the administration the 'drama' of flight 93. Those events really did happen...it could be that the actions taken by those men were not the cause of the crash. But, the actions were brave none the less. How do you handle that? Do you come clean and admit that the US Military was used to shoot down Americans? I'm not qualified to judge....given the "phone witness" acounts of the situation, I think I would go with that. Maybe I'm evil.

[Cult of Roth]

Well, the official story is the passengers attempted to retake the plane. They broke into the cockpit and the terrorists then proceeded to crash the plane.

There is the possibility that they retook the plane and incapacitated the terrorists. The National Guard, unaware of this, blows up the plane.

I'm not for conspiracy theories, but it would explain the reluctance to admit they shot the plane down. In one scenario, the passengers are remembered as heroes. In the other, the government and military response to this attack appears even more inept.

If I were in their position, knowing terrorists were on board, and no way to determine who was in control, I would have shot it down too.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by studly hungwell
I don't begrudge the administration the 'drama' of flight 93. Those events really did happen...

I begrudge then for exploiting that drama.

Ok, if these events "really did happen" let's start with some physical evidence.

What you got?

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Cult of Roth
Well, the official story is the passengers attempted to retake the plane. They broke into the cockpit and the terrorists then proceeded to crash the plane.


Other "official stories" include: Saddam's WMD, Saddam's connection to Osama, "We will be greeted as liberatiors", "I didn't know Ken Lay", "I never had sexual relations with that woman..."

That same source suggested that we use duct tape and plastic to protect ourselves from terrorist attacks.

Pardon my extreme skepticism.

[frets5150]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
I begrudge then for exploiting that drama.

Ok, if these events "really did happen" let's start with some physical evidence.

What you got?

It's kinda quiet in here aint it CUNT?





:mad:

[bastardog]

Maybe someone inform the pilots that Spammy was in the plane and was going to perform a song......I would crash the plane too before that shit music destroy my brain

[lonnieg5]

Here's one thing I know for a fact happened: I lost my job at United Airlines (yup I really worked there), and ended up bankrupt.

[lonnieg5]

Who I have to thank for that doesn't matter much to me anymore.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by frets5150
It's kinda quiet in here aint it CUNT?

I figured as much.

They can only address the issues that the have the talking points for.

Bill O'Really even has a segment on his show that he calls "Talking Points Memo".

[jhale667]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
I figured as much.

They can only address the issues that they have the talking points for.



http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/mother_fcukin_princess/th33790.gif

:D

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by studly hungwell
... How do you handle that? Do you come clean and admit that the US Military was used to shoot down Americans? I'm not qualified to judge....given the "phone witness" acounts of the situation, I think I would go with that. Maybe I'm evil.

Interesting post! I'm not qualified to judge either but my instincts tell me that you never, never, never lie unless its for the legitimate protection of someone (and even then it should be on a case-by-case basis with the strong presumption in favor of of telling the truth).

If the plane was shot down, that must have been a gut-wrenching call for the Administration to make. But under the circumstances if the Administration had come clean with the facts (assuming it hasn't) at or near the time of the occurrence, reasonable people would understand the horrendous choices involved. The arguments Mr. Hungwell make so elloquently then kick in.

The pundits are going to play devil's advovate no matter what choice is made as well they should. So when politicians are less than honest and then get caught (or in the event you don't get caught per se but instead at some point it becomes obvious lies were told), their policies are forever thereafter given a bum's rush as part of the cover up, and justifiably so, I might add, and they give conspiracy theorists free reign to paint whatever pictures they want.

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by lonnieg5
Here's one thing I know for a fact happened: I lost my job at United Airlines (yup I really worked there), and ended up bankrupt.

That sucks, dude. I hate it for you. There is no shame in filing bankruptcy. Especially not in this fucking economy. I have met many, many good people that have had to have their debts discharged under Chapter 7 as a direct result of the tragedy of 9/11.

[Nickdfresh]

About the same as I make of this:

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/vj592/2.jpg

Valujet Flight 592 Crash Site circa 1996 (http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/12/crash.sunday.update/index.html)

Where's the plane? Must be a total conspiracy man!

[Nickdfresh]

On the other hand, I've have heard second hand anecdotal stuff (from unreliable sources claiming to quote other sources that knew an FBI agent that essentially said) that the plane was shot down by a USAF unit of F-15 Eagles flying from Andrews AFB earmarked to protect the Capitol...

But then, how would the extensive cell phone contacts of which a fairly solid narrative of events was derived be explained away?

In any case, planes flying at near 600mph plunging into the ground do not leave intact tails sticking straight up...

So I don't really know, in any case, this innuendo does not support any inside job babble...

[frets5150]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
About the same as I make of this:

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/vj592/2.jpg

Valujet Flight 592 Crash Site circa 1996 (http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/12/crash.sunday.update/index.html)

Where's the plane? Must be a total conspiracy man!


So why did the FBI confiscate the servailence tapes from Citco and the Sheraton hotel? Oh yeah so whats his face could get a fair trial.Come on man give me a break.Just by them doing that makes them look guilty.


:rolleyes:
http://www.rense.com/general63/unob.htm

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by frets5150
So why did the FBI confiscate the servailence tapes from Citco and the Sheraton hotel?

Hold it! Now your diffusing everything into one myth. That was a different crash, and perhaps they were part of a "crime scene."

In any case, there are also eyewitnesses that saw an airliner fly in over the capitol before it hit the Pentagon.

Do I wish the Feds would release the tapes? YES! But I think it's also plausible that they are (wrongly) holding onto any clear video of the impact in order to deny a 'propaganda victory to the terrorists.'


Oh yeah so whats his face could get a fair trial.Come on man give me a break.Just by them doing that makes them look guilty.


:rolleyes:
http://www.rense.com/general63/unob.htm

Well dude, what can I say? If you want to believe that a clan of incompetents are capable of pulling off the biggest mass murder in US history using hundreds, if not thousands, of technicians and ground crew, and still somehow manage to keep it secret, have at it! Yet all the while, inexplicably, they planned the Iraq War about as well as a bunch of retards diligently working in Ms. Connor's Special Education Resource Room --well that just doesn't make any sense to me.

But I continually have stated that I do certainly NOT buy the full purported 'truth' of the "official explanation" of those day's events. But, I think they are far closer to the truth than anything that comes out of those conspiracy-radio charlatans mouths and websites. In fact, I think Bush and his lackeys are borderline criminally negligent and possibly amount of effective collusion of the terrorists by adopting a very passive attitude almost as if they wanted an attack, but failed to grasp the ultimate scale of the disaster would be. But the attacks WERE carried out by 19+ hijackers receiving significant funding, plans, and training by Khalid Sheik Mohammad, who used some of Bin Laden's cash he routinely collected from sympathetic oil sheiks.

I mean, how many here have taken time out to actually Read "The 9/11 Commission Report?" There is a lot of fascinating shit in there that is borderline classified and it is very interesting reading. Of course, they've pissed off extreme leftists that dismiss it as nothing short of complete fiction. And the rightists that see it as covering Clinton's ass, because of course they want to just blame him for everything and enable the Dumbfuckistanian's they keep electing to hold onto power, not matter how bad they are.

So, they must have done something right..

[DEMON CUNT]

Here's a meticulously researched time line of events.

http://911timeline.net/

[Nickdfresh]

Researched, and rife with quibbling, cherrypicked clerical errors. And chocked full of unverified "facts."

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Researched, and rife with quibbling, cherrypicked clerical errors. And chocked full of unverified "facts."

Doh! This is the one that I meant to link to:

http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

[DrMaddVibe]

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[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Researched, and rife with quibbling, cherrypicked clerical errors. And chocked full of unverified "facts."

ANY 9-11 timeline is, since there are so FEW "verified facts". Still, the Paul Thompson timeline is about the best you can get with the info available.

[DrMaddVibe]

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[FORD]

Not nearly as funny without June Cleaver translating.

[DrMaddVibe]

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[jhale667]

That scene is classic. :lol: