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scamper
05-28-2007, 11:23 AM
Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.

The inspectors undertook this mission first 7.5 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire.

The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

The United States has patiently worked to preserve UNSCOM as Iraq has sought to avoid its obligation to cooperate with the inspectors. On occasion, we've had to threaten military force, and Saddam has backed down.

Faced with Saddam's latest act of defiance in late October, we built intensive diplomatic pressure on Iraq backed by overwhelming military force in the region. The UN Security Council voted 15 to zero to condemn Saddam's actions and to demand that he immediately come into compliance.

Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman -- warned that Iraq alone would bear responsibility for the consequences of defying the UN.

When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down. It pledged to the UN that it had made, and I quote, a clear and unconditional decision to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors.

I decided then to call off the attack with our airplanes already in the air because Saddam had given in to our demands. I concluded then that the right thing to do was to use restraint and give Saddam one last chance to prove his willingness to cooperate.

I made it very clear at that time what unconditional cooperation meant, based on existing UN resolutions and Iraq's own commitments. And along with Prime Minister Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully, we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.

Now over the past three weeks, the UN weapons inspectors have carried out their plan for testing Iraq's cooperation. The testing period ended this weekend, and last night, UNSCOM's chairman, Richard Butler, reported the results to UN Secretary-General Annan.

The conclusions are stark, sobering and profoundly disturbing.

In four out of the five categories set forth, Iraq has failed to cooperate. Indeed, it actually has placed new restrictions on the inspectors. Here are some of the particulars.

Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites. For example, it shut off access to the headquarters of its ruling party and said it will deny access to the party's other offices, even though UN resolutions make no exception for them and UNSCOM has inspected them in the past.

Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence. For example, Iraq obstructed UNSCOM's effort to photograph bombs related to its chemical weapons program.

It tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.

Prior to the inspection of another site, Iraq actually emptied out the building, removing not just documents but even the furniture and the equipment.

Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all the documents requested by the inspectors. Indeed, we know that Iraq ordered the destruction of weapons-related documents in anticipation of an UNSCOM inspection.

So Iraq has abused its final chance.

As the UNSCOM reports concludes, and again I quote, "Iraq's conduct ensured that no progress was able to be made in the fields of disarmament.

"In light of this experience, and in the absence of full cooperation by Iraq, it must regrettably be recorded again that the commission is not able to conduct the work mandated to it by the Security Council with respect to Iraq's prohibited weapons program."

In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.

Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.

This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. The international community gave Saddam one last chance to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. Saddam has failed to seize the chance.

And so we had to act and act now.

Let me explain why.

First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years.

Second, if Saddam can crippled the weapons inspection system and get away with it, he would conclude that the international community -- led by the United States -- has simply lost its will. He will surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction, and someday -- make no mistake -- he will use it again as he has in the past.

Third, in halting our air strikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance, not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed. We will not only have allowed Saddam to shatter the inspection system that controls his weapons of mass destruction program; we also will have fatally undercut the fear of force that stops Saddam from acting to gain domination in the region.

That is why, on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team -- including the vice president, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of state and the national security adviser -- I have ordered a strong, sustained series of air strikes against Iraq.

They are designed to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors.

At the same time, we are delivering a powerful message to Saddam. If you act recklessly, you will pay a heavy price. We acted today because, in the judgment of my military advisers, a swift response would provide the most surprise and the least opportunity for Saddam to prepare.

If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report, we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his weapons.

Also, the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins this weekend. For us to initiate military action during Ramadan would be profoundly offensive to the Muslim world and, therefore, would damage our relations with Arab countries and the progress we have made in the Middle East.

That is something we wanted very much to avoid without giving Iraq's a month's head start to prepare for potential action against it.

Finally, our allies, including Prime Minister Tony Blair of Great Britain, concurred that now is the time to strike. I hope Saddam will come into cooperation with the inspection system now and comply with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions. But we have to be prepared that he will not, and we must deal with the very real danger he poses.

So we will pursue a long-term strategy to contain Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and work toward the day when Iraq has a government worthy of its people.

First, we must be prepared to use force again if Saddam takes threatening actions, such as trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction or their delivery systems, threatening his neighbors, challenging allied aircraft over Iraq or moving against his own Kurdish citizens.

The credible threat to use force, and when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression and prevent another Gulf War.

Second, so long as Iraq remains out of compliance, we will work with the international community to maintain and enforce economic sanctions. Sanctions have cost Saddam more than $120 billion -- resources that would have been used to rebuild his military. The sanctions system allows Iraq to sell oil for food, for medicine, for other humanitarian supplies for the Iraqi people.

We have no quarrel with them. But without the sanctions, we would see the oil-for-food program become oil-for-tanks, resulting in a greater threat to Iraq's neighbors and less food for its people.

The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort. We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently.

The decision to use force is never cost-free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties.

Indeed, in the past, Saddam has intentionally placed Iraqi civilians in harm's way in a cynical bid to sway international opinion.

We must be prepared for these realities. At the same time, Saddam should have absolutely no doubt if he lashes out at his neighbors, we will respond forcefully.

Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people.

And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.

Because we're acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future.

Let me close by addressing one other issue. Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down.

But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so.

In the century we're leaving, America has often made the difference between chaos and community, fear and hope. Now, in the new century, we'll have a remarkable opportunity to shape a future more peaceful than the past, but only if we stand strong against the enemies of peace.

Tonight, the United States is doing just that. May God bless and protect the brave men and women who are carrying out this vital mission and their families. And may God bless America.


http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

DEMON CUNT
05-28-2007, 12:23 PM
What are you trying to say with this copy/paste SPAM of a ten year old speech?

studly hungwell
05-28-2007, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
What are you trying to say with this copy/paste SPAM of a ten year old speech?

Oh jesus...this really has to be explained to these people. You see, His holiness, William Jefferson Clinton, believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction too. So maybe Bush didn't lie. Maybe, Clinton lied to Bush and people died. Hey, that would look great on a bumper sticker.

DEMON CUNT
05-28-2007, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by studly hungwell
Oh jesus...this really has to be explained to these people. You see, His holiness, William Jefferson Clinton, believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction too. So maybe Bush didn't lie. Maybe, Clinton lied to Bush and people died. Hey, that would look great on a bumper sticker.

Hey, thanks for clearing that up.

Obviously that was the thinking behind this post. It's funny to watch you Conservatives so "graciously" explain your stupid talking points as if we haven't heard them all before. But Clinton... but Clinton... but Clinton...

That's because Saddam did have weapons at one time. We knew about the ones that we supplied him with, at least.

Yet every weapons expert sent into Iraq during the Bush Administration's campaign to tie Saddam to Osama (also false) said that there was nothing to be found.

"Saddam ain't cooperatin'!" cried the noecons. So inspectors were ordered out of the country, we bombed, and to this day NO FUCKING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION HAVE BEEN FOUND IN IRAQ!

The inspectors were right. Go ahead an insert your neocon conspiracy theory about Syria or Iran here, because that's usually where this conversation goes next.

Blame Clinton all you want. 911 happened on Bush's watch and he ordered the invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation that was of no threat to us.

Bush's decisions are why we are where we are now. Spin away.

DEMON CUNT
05-28-2007, 08:08 PM
http://thedefeatists.typepad.com/apoplectic/images/asshole_1.jpg

hideyoursheep
05-29-2007, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by studly hungwell
Oh jesus...this really has to be explained to these people. You see, His holiness, William Jefferson Clinton, believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction too. So maybe Bush didn't lie. Maybe, Clinton lied to Bush and people died. Hey, that would look great on a bumper sticker.


He did have WMD's pencildick, He USED them.. we watched.

Chemical.

Against an uprising of his own people.

NOT FUCKING NOOKLER!!

That was a Bush lie.

And do you remember what the NeoCon response was to this uh, not-so-accurate retaliation?

"Oh,he's just trying to get attention off of Monica!!"

Fucking assholes and their fascination with sex.

The Starr report was worth every penny wasn't it?

Much good it did for National Security and such.

Like the emergency meeting of congress to "save" Terry Shiavo


Which Dubyah broke off his vacation for...

But fuck New Orleans and the hurricane, right?

He's gonna watch some cuntry music hack play guitar.

He should be crucified with the words "Compassionate Conservative" engraved into the cross...

Maybe Cheney can revive him in 3 days and you 'Cons would call it the Second Coming of George.:mad:

Nickdfresh
05-29-2007, 12:37 PM
2007 called, it misses you Scamper.

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/user_images/pics/1/3501000/ngbbs41709e14899fa.jpg

knuckleboner
05-29-2007, 12:54 PM
do i believe that bush lied? no.

do i believe that bush relied on evidence that painted the situation he was looking for in the best light, and didn't give as much credence to the contrary information? yes.


at the end of the day, what really matters is that the bush administration undertook a significant foreign policy action based on information that has since turned out to be (by their own admission) incorrect.

whatever i, or clinton, or moses thought of the situation in 2002, 1998, or 3299 B.C. doesn't matter, it wasn't OUR decision...

scamper
05-29-2007, 01:40 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nickdfresh
2007 called, it misses you Scamper.


I'm back, like I stated there is no point to this thread, I just found it interesting. Delete away.

studly hungwell
05-29-2007, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by hideyoursheep
He did have WMD's pencildick, He USED them.. we watched.

Chemical.

Against an uprising of his own people.

NOT FUCKING NOOKLER!!

That was a Bush lie.

And do you remember what the NeoCon response was to this uh, not-so-accurate retaliation?

"Oh,he's just trying to get attention off of Monica!!"

Fucking assholes and their fascination with sex.

The Starr report was worth every penny wasn't it?

Much good it did for National Security and such.

Like the emergency meeting of congress to "save" Terry Shiavo


Which Dubyah broke off his vacation for...

But fuck New Orleans and the hurricane, right?

He's gonna watch some cuntry music hack play guitar.

He should be crucified with the words "Compassionate Conservative" engraved into the cross...

Maybe Cheney can revive him in 3 days and you 'Cons would call it the Second Coming of George.:mad:

I'll have you know that my dick is much thicker than a pencil....hence the name, Studly Hungwell, thank you very much. Oh my God....I'm a Con. Wasn't aware...what is a Neo-Con? Is that what I am? I consider myself an Anti-Socialist. I hates me some socialism. Oh Lord....when some socialists come around I commence to hatin' their guts. Taking Iraq was a sound policy. Air and naval support was already there to patrol the north and south no fly zones. This was a rouge state that would not sign death warrants for fear of retaliation but would hand the pen to those with no country to lose. Thats a metaphore....us thick dick guys like to use metaphores because it help dumb people think that they have discovered something on their own.

Once again....very thick dick....not pencil like in the least.....thank you.

Lqskdiver
05-29-2007, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
do i believe that bush lied? no.

do i believe that bush relied on evidence that painted the situation he was looking for in the best light, and didn't give as much credence to the contrary information? yes.


at the end of the day, what really matters is that the bush administration undertook a significant foreign policy action based on information that has since turned out to be (by their own admission) incorrect.

whatever i, or clinton, or moses thought of the situation in 2002, 1998, or 3299 B.C. doesn't matter, it wasn't OUR decision...

kb, there were wmd's found, just not the big cache everyone was expecting. Also, if we had FOUND a large cache of WMD's and maybe some nookiler components, i know exactly what the left argument.

"We gave it to them!"

There's no winning.

The point of the article is that many thought he had them. They also knew he was willing to use them. A regime change was called for by the Clinton administration and the Iraqi Liberation Act was signed on 1998.

This was the basis for the war itself.

Lqskdiver
05-29-2007, 06:19 PM
AND JESUS CHRIST, CAN'T YOU ASSHOLES JUST DISAGREE WITHOUT RENAMING THE THREAD??!!!

hideyoursheep
05-29-2007, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by studly hungwell
I'll have you know that my dick is much thicker than a pencil....hence the name, Studly Hungwell, thank you very much. my us thick dick guys like to use metaphores because it help dumb people think that they have discovered something on their own.
Once again....very thick dick....not pencil like in the least.....thank you.

Obsess much?

Your post don't even "measure up".

'You lookin for a swordfight?:confused:

I already have my "hands full".

Alas,another pointless thread.

But thanks for playing:cool:

Nickdfresh
05-29-2007, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver
AND JESUS CHRIST, CAN'T YOU ASSHOLES JUST DISAGREE WITHOUT RENAMING THE THREAD??!!!

WTF are you talking 'bout, Willis?

http://www.moonrover.com/mt-static/images/coleman.jpg

ULTRAMAN VH
05-29-2007, 09:03 PM
When will you DLR soldiers realize that you can't knock The Big Dog, here at the Frontline. Dicknfresh with his trusty side kicks Demon Feminine Wash and f##kyoursheep will stomp your asses. Sheesh!!!

Nickdfresh
05-29-2007, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
When will you DLR soldiers realize that you can't knock The Big Dog, here at the Frontline. Dicknfresh with his trusty side kicks Demon Feminine Wash and f##kyoursheep will stomp your asses. Sheesh!!!

Hey, Ultrafeltch, what the fuck are you talking about?

Go get yourself a Spermslurpee and calm the fuck down...

LoungeMachine
05-29-2007, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver
AND JESUS CHRIST, CAN'T YOU ASSHOLES JUST DISAGREE WITHOUT RENAMING THE THREAD??!!!


THREAD WAS NEVER "RENAMED" ASSHOLE.

IT IS EXACTLY AS HE STARTED IT.

BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO OBLIGE YOU. ;)


How about " Another Pointless Neo-Con Distraction" :cool:


Wouldnt want you to get all caught up in the "real world" now, would we?

:gulp:

Lqskdiver
05-29-2007, 10:57 PM
For some odd reason, I thought the thread title had been changed.

Since you bothered to respond, Lunge, I guess you were feeling a bit remorse over Big Trains thread.

Naa, that would be asking too much.

:gulp:

knuckleboner
05-29-2007, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver
kb, there were wmd's found, just not the big cache everyone was expecting. Also, if we had FOUND a large cache of WMD's and maybe some nookiler components, i know exactly what the left argument.

"We gave it to them!"

There's no winning.

The point of the article is that many thought he had them. They also knew he was willing to use them. A regime change was called for by the Clinton administration and the Iraqi Liberation Act was signed on 1998.

This was the basis for the war itself.

now, while i have seen the foxnews stories about roadside bombs containing sarin, et. al, i'm curious to see if the bush adminstration, itself, has ever stated that WMD were definitely found in iraq. i don't believe they have. though, i DO know that the president has repudiated his own pre-war intelligence...

cnn.com (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/14/bush.iraq/)
"It is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong," Bush said during his fourth and final speech before Thursday's vote for Iraq's parliament.

now, he did go on to say that he still thought his decision to remove saddam was right. nonetheless, when the president admits that his pre-war intelligence was faulty, i think i'm safe to say that it was.

despite what some gung-ho news organizations wanted to report, the CIA's chief weapons inspector seems to think there were no real WMDs in iraq.msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/)

and the bush administration has never opposed that report. why?



and i don't dispute that others (clinton included) have called for a regime change in iraq. saddam was a brutal dictator. but at what point did it become NECESSARY that the U.S. make that change? according to bush and his pre-war intelligence, we were under a direct threat by iraq. only, we all, bush included, now know that that pre-war intelligence was faulty.


we're there now, and i'm not arguing pull out immediately. but, playing the what if game, i think it's clear that bush has no support at all for military action back in 2003 if we knew then what we know now.


first it was the imminent threat of WMD (possibly rained down on the U.S. by iraqi drones). then it was the liberation of the iraqi people from oppression. now it's the fight against terror there, rather than fighting them here. in the end, it's spin.

in reality, i think it WAS a national security issue (though, much more hawkish than i would've been). but it was more about the control of oil. could we allow a proven aggressive hothead to possibly further destabilize the middle east? no, we didn't want to steal the oil. but i'm fairly certain we didn't want saddam influencing saudi arabia, kuwait, or the rest of the oil producing middle east.

and when saddam refused to acquiese to the U.N. weapons inspection resolutions, and when we had some possibly questionable evidence of pre-war WMD, we had our pretext for regime change.

LoungeMachine
05-29-2007, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver
For some odd reason, I thought the thread title had been changed.

Since you bothered to respond, Lunge, I guess you were feeling a bit remorse over Big Trains thread.

Naa, that would be asking too much.


No remorse. ;)

Made my point though.



Nice to see you still coming back for more. :D

Look forward to coming back and reading who you're supporting among this incredible talent pool of Repub candydates. :D


I have always cracked up over people getting all panty-twisted over thread titles being changed, when the titles are written as a joke to get a rise out of the others.

Ohh, I know, I'll call Cindy Sheehan an attention whore. I'm funny.

:rolleyes:


I find no "humor" in ELVIS getting giddy over the 185 Iraqis killed to every 1 US Serviceman.

As if as long as he took many with him, his life was somehow okay to give up for this "cause"


As I come around, if the keys are still on the table for me from Pojo, I'll use them to my liking.

Cheers, 'diver.

:gulp:

Lqskdiver
05-29-2007, 11:06 PM
Hyncite is always 20/20.

This is one is far different than any we've fought. We may have one the war, but we are losing the battles.

studly hungwell
05-30-2007, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by hideyoursheep
Obsess much?

Your post don't even "measure up".

'You lookin for a swordfight?:confused:

I already have my "hands full".

Alas,another pointless thread.

But thanks for playing:cool:

I like to play....banter....debate, what have you. Don't mistake sycophantic support as validation of your views. Your way of thinking has failed everytime its tried. You are weak.....don't draw swords with me....you probably couldn't handle it. Been reading your posts for some time. You usually have cheerleader support from a few members here or you are providing cheerleader support to a few members here. I have yet to be impressed with anything you say, and, I assure you, I am completely unbiased to political orientation. If it comes from a true brain I can appreciate it....hell, thats why I'm here. Once again....very thick dick....not pencil like in the least. I'm sorry....I'm sitting here crackin' up.

studly hungwell
05-30-2007, 07:31 PM
Sorry to pile on....but....was just in another thread where you attempted to call Ford down. Dude, you need to go with it....Ford is your people, thats who you have aligned yourself with....You should apologize to Ford like I did. He is not crazy in the least. Man, I must be drunk. Ever laugh so hard your gut cramps? Just happened to me.

hideyoursheep
05-31-2007, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by studly hungwell
Man, I must be drunk. Ever laugh so hard your gut cramps? Just happened to me.

I guess I've done my job.

Whatever...

Call back when you make sense, and try and stop medicating yourself with Canadian Mist...

Oh! And gimme a "heads up" when yer porn career takes off...


Other than that, here's to ya.

scamper
05-31-2007, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
How about " Another Pointless Neo-Con Distraction" :cool:


I prefer Demo-Con, I rarely vote repub.

hideyoursheep
05-31-2007, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by scamper
I prefer Demo-Con, I rarely vote repub.

Never join the "party"...

Whichever it is.:baaa:

DEMON CUNT
05-31-2007, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
When will you DLR soldiers realize that you can't knock The Big Dog, here at the Frontline. Dicknfresh with his trusty side kicks Demon Feminine Wash and f##kyoursheep will stomp your asses. Sheesh!!!

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4274/ultrababysmallmc5.jpg