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Big Train
06-03-2007, 01:15 PM
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=

Lawrence Solomon
Financial Post

Saturday, June 02, 2007


CREDIT: David McNew, Getty Images File Photo
Al Gore's views have credible dissenters.
"Only an insignificant fraction of scientists deny the global warming crisis. The time for debate is over. The science is settled."

S o said Al Gore ... in 1992. Amazingly, he made his claims despite much evidence of their falsity. A Gallup poll at the time reported that 53% of scientists actively involved in global climate research did not believe global warming had occurred; 30% weren't sure; and only 17% believed global warming had begun. Even a Greenpeace poll showed 47% of climatologists didn't think a runaway greenhouse effect was imminent; only 36% thought it possible and a mere 13% thought it probable.

Today, Al Gore is making the same claims of a scientific consensus, as do the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and hundreds of government agencies and environmental groups around the world. But the claims of a scientific consensus remain unsubstantiated. They have only become louder and more frequent.

More than six months ago, I began writing this series, The Deniers. When I began, I accepted the prevailing view that scientists overwhelmingly believe that climate change threatens the planet. I doubted only claims that the dissenters were either kooks on the margins of science or sell-outs in the pockets of the oil companies.



National Post's Deniers series:
Scientists who challenge the climate change debate

The series


Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X
End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI
Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII
The heat's in the sun -- The Deniers XIV
Unsettled Science -- The Deniers XV
Bitten by the IPCC -- The Deniers XVI
Little ice age is still within us -- The Deniers XVII
Fighting climate 'fluff' -- The Deniers XVIII
Science, not politics -- The Deniers XIX

More on the environment

My series set out to profile the dissenters -- those who deny that the science is settled on climate change -- and to have their views heard. To demonstrate that dissent is credible, I chose high-ranking scientists at the world's premier scientific establishments. I considered stopping after writing six profiles, thinking I had made my point, but continued the series due to feedback from readers. I next planned to stop writing after 10 profiles, then 12, but the feedback increased. Now, after profiling more than 20 deniers, I do not know when I will stop -- the list of distinguished scientists who question the IPCC grows daily, as does the number of emails I receive, many from scientists who express gratitude for my series.

Somewhere along the way, I stopped believing that a scientific consensus exists on climate change. Certainly there is no consensus at the very top echelons of scientists -- the ranks from which I have been drawing my subjects -- and certainly there is no consensus among astrophysicists and other solar scientists, several of whom I have profiled. If anything, the majority view among these subsets of the scientific community may run in the opposite direction. Not only do most of my interviewees either discount or disparage the conventional wisdom as represented by the IPCC, many say their peers generally consider it to have little or no credibility. In one case, a top scientist told me that, to his knowledge, no respected scientist in his field accepts the IPCC position.

What of the one claim that we hear over and over again, that 2,000 or 2,500 of the world's top scientists endorse the IPCC position? I asked the IPCC for their names, to gauge their views. "The 2,500 or so scientists you are referring to are reviewers from countries all over the world," the IPCC Secretariat responded. "The list with their names and contacts will be attached to future IPCC publications, which will hopefully be on-line in the second half of 2007."

An IPCC reviewer does not assess the IPCC's comprehensive findings. He might only review one small part of one study that later becomes one small input to the published IPCC report. Far from endorsing the IPCC reports, some reviewers, offended at what they considered a sham review process, have demanded that the IPCC remove their names from the list of reviewers. One even threatened legal action when the IPCC refused.

A great many scientists, without doubt, are four-square in their support of the IPCC. A great many others are not. A petition organized by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine between 1999 and 2001 claimed some 17,800 scientists in opposition to the Kyoto Protocol. A more recent indicator comes from the U.S.-based National Registry of Environmental Professionals, an accrediting organization whose 12,000 environmental practitioners have standing with U.S. government agencies such as the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Energy. In a November, 2006, survey of its members, it found that only 59% think human activities are largely responsible for the warming that has occurred, and only 39% make their priority the curbing of carbon emissions. And 71% believe the increase in hurricanes is likely natural, not easily attributed to human activities.

Such diversity of views is also present in the wider scientific community, as seen in the World Federation of Scientists, an organization formed during the Cold War to encourage dialogue among scientists to prevent nuclear catastrophe. The federation, which encompasses many of the world's most eminent scientists and today represents more than 10,000 scientists, now focuses on 15 "planetary emergencies," among them water, soil, food, medicine and biotechnology, and climatic changes. Within climatic changes, there are eight priorities, one being "Possible human influences on climate and on atmospheric composition and chemistry (e.g. increased greenhouse gases and tropospheric ozone)."

Man-made global warming deserves study, the World Federation of Scientists believes, but so do other serious climatic concerns. So do 14 other planetary emergencies. That seems about right. - Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Urban Renaissance Institute and Consumer Policy Institute, divisions of Energy Probe Research Foundation. Email: LawrenceSolomon@nextcity.com.

FORD
06-03-2007, 03:15 PM
Wow... an energy industry tool writing for a neocon paper denies global warming. What a shock :rolleyes:

Big Train
06-03-2007, 03:33 PM
Shooting the messenger yet again FORD...don't ever let anyone in who doesn't immediately agree with your positions. Sounds kinda...uh...fascist, is that the word?

Who wrote the piece doesn't change the fact that if you actually ASK the top experts, there is hardly any agreement at all. Hell, the main proponent for global warming 30 years ago has all but changed his mind.

So how is it Al Gore can say that there is no debate?

FORD
06-03-2007, 04:36 PM
Tobacco industry "scientists" are still trying to claim that smoking doesn't kill you. I imagine these energy industry tools will keep spreading denial much the same.

Big Train
06-03-2007, 05:35 PM
Only major difference here is that most of them aren't bought and paid for, but people cited by the other side of the argument for decades...but believe as you will.

Nitro Express
06-03-2007, 05:57 PM
There's global warming but what the scientists can't agree on is what is the actual cause of it. Nature spills more CO2 and sulphure into the atmoshpere than anything man made. I live just south of Yellowstone National Park and one geologist joked and said if the gysers and hot pools were manmade the place would be shut down for dangerouse pollution. Lately at the Norris gyser basin they have found dead animals from toxic gasses venting out and so the have closed the area to tourists. Natural chemical weapons if you will.

Volcanos spew more pollutants than man and there has been an increase in volcanic activity in the last two decades.

The sun is also an issue. The solar flares and emmitted radiation is the highest level since man could measure it. This deffinately can affect our climate.

Are we causing the global warming or is the sun and natural occurances on planet earth? Nobody can agree.

Politicians are using the obviouse weather changes, glaciers dissapearing, and pack ice melting to stir up a crises frenzy so they can manipulate the panic to their agenda.

Al Gore does not know what's causing Global Warming either but he's milking it for what it is worth. If he starts riding a bycicle instead of riding in a SUV and flying in a private jet, and if he lives in a tent instead of sevral large homes, maybe he would have more creadability with me but the guy is a pimp and a player just like most politicians are.

Nitro Express
06-03-2007, 06:00 PM
Man am I fucked up. I know sulfur doesn't have a ph in it. Damn. I did have a few today. LOL!

Angel
06-06-2007, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Nitro Express
Man am I fucked up. I know sulfur doesn't have a ph in it. Damn. I did have a few today. LOL!

I think more than a few! Yes, it DOES have a ph in it, but no e at the end (sulphur). ;)

When you're sober, read your post again and have a good giggle over the typos! :bottle:

sadaist
06-07-2007, 06:48 PM
Why are people still arguing if global warming is real or not? The fact is that we put way too much pollution into our environment, not just the air. We should all be working on solutions to clean it up.

If man made global warming isn't true yet we still adopt practices to reduce emissions, what's the worst that could happen? We end up with cleaner air?

Big Train
06-07-2007, 10:26 PM
Well, let' see, because it is worth arguing about.

I'm all for what your saying, we should be cleaning up the air for things like breathing. Basic stuff. Having kids not grow up with asthma.

However, discussing whether or not the Earth has ten years to live, or debunking it, has a lot to do with how we choose to use our resources in that 10 year period. Basic stuff.

FORD
06-07-2007, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
Why are people still arguing if global warming is real or not? The fact is that we put way too much pollution into our environment, not just the air. We should all be working on solutions to clean it up.

If man made global warming isn't true yet we still adopt practices to reduce emissions, what's the worst that could happen? We end up with cleaner air?

The "worst" that could happen is that some of these corporations might have to take responsibility for what they have done to the planet. And some of these same corporations own the media, so they want to deny that responsibility as long as they can.