Iran Strategy Stirs Debate at White House

[Steve Savicki]

How can the people trust Repubs when they can't even agree with eachother:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/washington/16diplo.html?_r=1&th=&adxnnl=1&emc=th&adxnnlx=1182172054-C85MjV3efvklgFAmHHFiNg&oref=slogin
A year after President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced a new strategy toward Iran, a behind-the-scenes debate has broken out within the administration over whether the approach has any hope of reining in Iran’s nuclear program, according to senior administration officials.

The debate has pitted Ms. Rice and her deputies, who appear to be winning so far, against the few remaining hawks inside the administration, especially those in Vice President Dick Cheney’s office who, according to some people familiar with the discussions, are pressing for greater consideration of military strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities.

In the year since Ms. Rice announced the new strategy for the United States to join forces with Europe, Russia and China to press Iran to suspend its uranium enrichment activities, Iran has installed more than a thousand centrifuges to enrich uranium. The International Atomic Energy Agency predicts that 8,000 or so could be spinning by the end of the year, if Iran surmounts its technical problems.

Those hard numbers are at the core of the debate within the administration over whether Mr. Bush should warn Iran’s leaders that he will not allow them to get beyond some yet-undefined milestones, leaving the implication that a military strike on the country’s facilities is still an option.

Even beyond its nuclear program, Iran is emerging as an increasing source of trouble for the Bush administration by inflaming the insurgencies in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and in Gaza, where it has provided military and financial support to the militant Islamic group Hamas, which now controls the Gaza Strip.

Even so, friends and associates of Ms. Rice who have talked with her recently say she has increasingly moved toward the European position that the diplomatic path she has laid out is the only real option for Mr. Bush, even though it has so far failed to deter Iran from enriching uranium, and that a military strike would be disastrous.

The accounts were provided by officials at the State Department, White House and the Pentagon who are on both sides of the debate, as well as people who have spoken with members of Mr. Cheney’s staff and with Ms. Rice. The officials said they were willing to explain the thinking behind their positions, but would do so only on condition of anonymity.

Mr. Bush has publicly vowed that he would never “tolerate” a nuclear Iran, and the question at the core of the debate within the administration is when and whether it makes sense to shift course.

The issue was raised at a closed-door White House meeting recently when the departing deputy national security adviser, J. D. Crouch, told senior officials that President Bush needed an assessment of how the stalemate over Iran’s nuclear program was likely to play out over the next 18 months, said officials briefed on the meeting.

In response, R. Nicholas Burns, an under secretary of state who is the chief American strategist on Iran, told the group that negotiations with Tehran could still be going on when Mr. Bush leaves office in January 2009. The hawks in the room reported later that they were deeply unhappy — but not surprised — by Mr. Burns’s assessment, which they interpreted as a tacit acknowledgment that the Bush administration had no “red line” beyond which Iran would not be permitted to step.

But conservatives inside the administration have continued in private to press for a tougher line, making arguments that their allies outside government are voicing publicly. “Regime change or the use of force are the only available options to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapons capability, if they want it,” said John R. Bolton, the former United States ambassador to the United Nations.

Only a few weeks ago, one of Mr. Cheney’s top aides, David Wurmser, told conservative research groups and consulting firms in Washington that Mr. Cheney believed that Ms. Rice’s diplomatic strategy was failing, and that by next spring Mr. Bush might have to decide whether to take military action.

The vice president’s office has declined to talk about Mr. Wurmser’s statements, and says Mr. Cheney is fully on board with the president’s strategy. In a June 1 article for Commentary magazine, the neoconservative editor Norman Podhoretz laid out what a headline described as “The Case for Bombing Iran.”

“In short, the plain and brutal truth is that if Iran is to be prevented from developing a nuclear arsenal, there is no alternative to the actual use of military force — any more than there was an alternative to force if Hitler was to be stopped in 1938,” Mr. Podhoretz wrote.

Mr. Burns and officials from the Treasury Department have been trying to use the mounting conservative calls for a military strike to press Europe and Russia to expand economic sanctions against Iran. Just last week, Israel’s transportation minister and former defense minister, Shaul Mofaz, visited Washington and told Ms. Rice that sanctions must be strong enough to get the Iranians to stop enriching uranium by the end of 2007.

While Mr. Mofaz did not threaten a military strike, Israeli officials said he told Ms. Rice that by the end of the year, Israel “would have to reassess where we are.”

The State Department and Treasury officials are pushing for a stronger set of United Nations Security Council sanctions against members of Iran’s government, including an extensive travel ban and further moves to restrict the ability of Iran’s financial institutions to do business outside of Iran. Beyond that, American officials have been trying to get European and Asian banks to take additional steps, outside of the Security Council, against Iran.

“We’re saying to them, ‘Look, you need to help us make the diplomacy succeed, and you guys need to stop business as usual with Iran,’ ” an administration official said. “We’re not just sitting here ignoring reality.”

But the fallout from the Iraq war has severely limited the Bush administration’s ability to maneuver on the Iran nuclear issue and has left many in the administration, and certainly America’s allies and critics in Europe, firmly against military strikes on Iran. On Thursday, Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the international nuclear watchdog agency, warned anew that military action against Iran would “be an act of madness.”

The debate over “red lines” is a familiar one inside the Bush White House that last arose in 2002 over North Korea. When the North Koreans threw out international inspectors on the last day of that year and soon declared that they planned to reprocess 8,000 rods of spent fuel into weapons-grade plutonium, President Bush had to decide whether to declare that if North Korea moved toward weapons, it could face a military strike on its facilities.

The Pentagon had drawn up an extensive plan for taking out those facilities, though with little enthusiasm, because it feared it could not control North Korea’s response, and the administration chose not to delivery any ultimatum. North Korea tested a nuclear weapon last October, and American intelligence officials estimate it now has the fuel for eight or more weapons.

Iran is far behind the North Koreans; it is believed to be three to eight years away from its first weapon, American intelligence officials have told Congress. Conservatives argue that if the administration fails to establish a line over which Iran must not step, the enrichment of uranium will go ahead, eventually giving the Iranians fuel that, with additional enrichment out of the sight of inspectors, it could use for weapons.

To date, however, the administration has been hesitant about saying that it will not permit Iran to produce more than a given amount of fuel, out of concern that Iran’s hard-liners would simply see that figure as a goal.

In the year since the United States made its last offer to Iran, the Iranians have gone from having a few dozen centrifuges in operation to building a facility that at last count, a month ago, had more than 1,300. “The pace of negotiations have lagged behind the pace of the Iranian nuclear program,” said Robert Joseph, the former under secretary of state for international security, who left his post partly over his opposition to the administration’s recent deal with North Korea.

You’ve got two of Bush’s buddies on opposite sides of the argument. And since Jr. likes to be seen as a man of action (when he’s really not doing anything for the country) he’s going to have to take a side.
So, will he side with his heart of darkness (Cheney) or with his “wife”, Rice?
What lurve can do... who will the chimp champ?

[FORD]

The fact that David Wurmser is still employed by the Pentagon is the entire problem.

Wurmser is a Likud Zionfascist agent of the Israeli government and has absolutely NO business making policies for ANY part of the United States, much less planning wars meant to benefit the Likud Zionfascist agenda, NOT the security of the United States of America.

Wurmser, along with Podhoretz, Feith, Wolfoshitz, Perle, and the rest of the Likud dual citizen PNAC'ers are literal traitors against the United States and spies for a foreign government which is actively working against the best interests of this nation, despite their claims to be our "ally".

That being the case, these treasonous fucks should face the appropriate penalty.

Before they blow up one or more American cities and blame it on Iranian weapons which don't exist.......

[Redballjets88]

Ford is ignorant

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
Ford is ignorant

No, FORD is well informed. You are ignorant. And practically everything you have posted on this board over the weekend proves it.

[Redballjets88]

no. you are totally closed minded and psychotic.

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
no. you are totally closed minded and psychotic.

Ignorance is thinking that you are the only one that matters, as posted by you saying that if it doesn't affect your life you don't care.

So go play in traffic cocksmoker.

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by FORD
That being the case, these treasonous fucks should face the appropriate penalty.

Before they blow up one or more American cities and blame it on Iranian weapons which don't exist.......
When the Repubs can't agree with one another, just blame it on an unrelated Nth party... classic blame game... almost as classic as classic VH.:o

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by matt19
Ignorance is thinking that you are the only one that matters, as posted by you saying that if it doesn't affect your life you don't care.

So go play in traffic cocksmoker.

i didnt say im the only one that matters, the reason i said that is because ford portrays america as a post apocolyptic world with a fascist dictator. which IS an ignorant view.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
ford portrays america as a post apocolyptic world with a fascist dictator.

No, I view America as a former democracy with a fascist dictator who, with the help of his treasonous Likud friends, is planning the Apocolypse.

And the ignorant ones are those who ignore the evidence of this which has surrounded them for the last 7 years.

But of course, you're a 19 year old from Texas. Which means you have lived under a Chimpy regime since you were 5 years old.

You can't remember life without a fascist Chimptator, so how could you be expected to know any better?

[matt19]

No he doesn't and at least he backs up his points. You just whine like a little bitch that doesn't get enough attention.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
No, I view America as a former democracy with a fascist dictator who, with the help of his treasonous Likud friends, is planning the Apocolypse.

And the ignorant ones are those who ignore the evidence of this which has surrounded them for the last 7 years.

But of course, you're a 19 year old from Texas. Which means you have lived under a Chimpy regime since you were 5 years old.

You can't remember life without a fascist Chimptator, so how could you be expected to know any better?

god fuck you. you act as if america has gone to hell in the past fuckin 7 yrs. when it has been pretty much the same place minus 9/11. you are a fucking wacko. I DONT LIKE BUSH. he is a fucktard that cant run a country worth shit. but im not an extremist like you. i have grown up with family that is far left and far right. my opinions are my own and the fact that i live in texas means nothing. my favorite places in texas are liberal. you cant say Dallas and Austin are conservative. Sure there may be things that can say that Bush did 9/11, but i bet if i had the time and vigilance i could find a way to connect Leonard Nemoy to it and say he is the leader of the LNCE. you are far more close minded than i am, and i would kill myself if i lived in a place that you lead, bc it would be a socialist state lead by someone who hates everything that isnt exactly your opinion. you would probably become the next stalin and kill all conservatives. and i do agree with you about somethings but not to the same degree. so quit getting your panties in a bind.

[Guitar Shark]

Redball, since you just graduated from high school, what are your future plans? English teacher perhaps?

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Redball, since you just graduated from high school, what are your future plans? English teacher perhaps?

is this some kind of grammar joke, bc talking on the internet really doesnt make me want to spell check or anything.

and actually yeah english or history teacher.

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
god fuck you. you act as if america has gone to hell in the past fuckin 7 yrs. when it has been pretty much the same place minus 9/11. you are a fucking wacko. I DONT LIKE BUSH. he is a fucktard that cant run a country worth shit. but im not an extremist like you. i have grown up with family that is far left and far right. my opinions are my own and the fact that i live in texas means nothing. my favorite places in texas are liberal. you cant say Dallas and Austin are conservative. Sure there may be things that can say that Bush did 9/11, but i bet if i had the time and vigilance i could find a way to connect Leonard Nemoy to it and say he is the leader of the LNCE. you are far more close minded than i am, and i would kill myself if i lived in a place that you lead, bc it would be a socialist state lead by someone who hates everything that isnt exactly your opinion. you would probably become the next stalin and kill all conservatives. and i do agree with you about somethings but not to the same degree. so quit getting your panties in a bind.

You really need to figure out what the difference between commas and periods are. As well as work on the rest of your punctuation.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
is this some kind of grammar joke, bc talking on the internet really doesnt make me want to spell check or anything.

and actually yeah english or history teacher.

LMFAO! Perfect. :)

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by matt19
You really need to figure out what the difference between commas and periods are. As well as work on the rest of your punctuation.

read post i just wrote.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
LMFAO! Perfect. :)

i actually made A's in all of my english and history classes in highschool, and they were AP courses :p

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by FORD
But of course, you're a 19 year old from Texas. Which means you have lived under a Chimpy regime since you were 5 years old.
Got cut 'im some slack now.

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
read post i just wrote.

Maybe but if you want any kind of credibility to your opinions, maybe you should not write one big run on sentence.

[Redballjets88]

there are actually over 15 periods

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by FORD

You can't remember life without a fascist Chimptator, so how could you be expected to know any better?


probably the same way you know that prescott bush was bad...;)

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
....talking on the internet really doesnt make me want to spell check or anything.

and actually yeah english or history teacher.

So you enjoy appearing moronic in public. God help your future students.

[Redballjets88]

you dont even fucking know me... and i guarantee if ford was in a classroom they would find him crazy

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
i actually made A's in all of my english and history classes in highschool, and they were AP courses :p

Yeah, but that's in Texas...

[Redballjets88]

how did i know....well ap classes teach the same things nation wide, bc it is there to prepare you for the AP exam....which is a nationwide exam. so it doesnt matter where you live. along with the fact that the school i went to was rated as Exemplary by the national school board. but yeah i live in Texas

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
god fuck you. you act as if america has gone to hell in the past fuckin 7 yrs.

Because it has.


I DONT LIKE BUSH. he is a fucktard that cant run a country worth shit.

Now you're contradicting yourself. If the fucktard can't run the country worth shit, then how are we NOT worse off than we were 7 years ago?


Sure there may be things that can say that Bush did 9/11, but i bet if i had the time and vigilance i could find a way to connect Leonard Nemoy to it and say he is the leader of the LNCE.

http://www.fenice.info/i/spock.jpg
Your presumption that I would lead a "criminal empire" is highly illogical.

[Redballjets88]

he cant run a country, but it is the contradictory, bc there arent fires in the street and crime isnt up and shit has become chaotic.

but that pic of nemoy is pretty funny

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
you dont even fucking know me...

You're right, I only have your idiotic posts to go by....



and i guarantee if ford was in a classroom they would find him crazy

Doubtful, but on appearances alone (spelling, punctuation, having a fucking CLUE), any of his contributions would be more intelligent than yours. ;)

Ah, youthful ignorance....:rolleyes:

And it's NIMOY. :D

[Redballjets88]

yes bc im going write write as if im on an internet forum in real life...you're a fuck...going after grammar is what people do when they cant make a decent argument

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
yes bc im going write write as if im on an internet forum in real life...you're a fuck...going after grammar is what people do when they cant make a decent argument

You would first have had to have MADE a decent arguement to counter, dumbass.

I'M a fuck? You're as dumb as a tree stump. How do I know? Idk, bc my bff Jill says so? :rolleyes:

[jhale667]

And oops, there's no 'E' in argument. Sue me. :D

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
yes bc im going write write as if im on an internet forum in real life...you're a fuck...going after grammar is what people do when they cant make a decent argument

I know the shift key takes that other hand way for what 2 seconds away from you whacking off to gay porn?

:rolleyes:

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by FORD
No, I view America as a former democracy with a fascist dictator who, with the help of his treasonous Likud friends, is planning the Apocolypse.

And the ignorant ones are those who ignore the evidence of this which has surrounded them for the last 7 years.



It's ok Chicken Little, the sky is not falling.

[Redballjets88]

i dont think that makes any sense what so ever, but cool...jhale=cocklicker

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
It's ok Chicken Little, the sky is not falling.

exactly

[FORD]

It will be soon in Iran, if these treasonous cocksuckers aren't stopped. :(

[Redballjets88]

IMO they should spend about 3 yrs figuring out as much as possble about their nuclear programs and if by then the UN has found anything we try diplomacy to stop them and if that doesnt work, then we kick some ass...bc if they actually have Nukes they will use them on Israel, which wouldnt be good

[FORD]

They don't have nukes. They are 10 years away from having nukes. And if they did have nukes, launching them at Israel would be suicidal, because they DO have nukes (illegally, I might add. But non-proliferation doesn't apply to them, nor do UN sanctions)

[Redballjets88]

quit hating Israel. the lives of the people there suck horribly, they live in fear everyday and cant go anywhere without thinking that a suicice bomber will blow them up.

[FORD]

Bullshit. Those so called "suicide" bombings started exactly when the Likud Zionfascists needed an excuse to abandon what was left of the peace process (which started to fall apart the day they murdered Prime Minister Rabin)

For the record, I do not hate Israel. But I despise Likud Zionfascism just as much as I despise the fascists currently ruining THIS country. And their doctrines are one and the same, written by the exact same people. (PNAC)

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
he cant run a country, but it is the contradictory, bc there arent fires in the street and crime isnt up and shit has become chaotic.

You obviously haven't picked up a newspaper since early Septembar, 2005.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
Bullshit. Those so called "suicide" bombings started exactly when the Likud Zionfascists needed an excuse to abandon what was left of the peace process (which started to fall apart the day they murdered Prime Minister Rabin)

For the record, I do not hate Israel. But I despise Likud Zionfascism just as much as I despise the fascists currently ruining THIS country. And their doctrines are one and the same, written by the exact same people. (PNAC)


yeah and i guess the past multitude of years of oppression did start til then either.

[FORD]

You're right.... the Palestinians have been oppressed for a long time.

So what's your point?

[matt19]

Originally posted by FORD
You're right.... the Palestinians have been oppressed for a long time.

So what's your point?

No shit, at least there is an Isreal. :mad:

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
i dont think

Obviously.


jhale=cocklicker [/B]

Quit projecting your homosexual fantasies onto me, pickle-kisser.

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
jhale please be my cocklicker




Originally posted by jhale667
Quit projecting your homosexual fantasies onto me, pickle-kisser.

HAHAHAHA

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
You're right.... the Palestinians have been oppressed for a long time.

So what's your point?

it wasnt the jews fault that the UN gave them Israel, why should the jews be punished for something they didnt do?

but i guess that justifies the fact that the entire middle east want to kill them, and has tried but been beaten time and time again.

and if the Palestinians werent always trying to kill the Israelis maybe they could come to some terms, but as long as suicide bombers and shitty leaders are over Palestine that wont happen


game set match

[TongueNGroove]

Israel has tried and tried to appease the Palestinians and those who support them, but to no avail. They have given up land and made their own people move out just to try and make the Palestinians happy, but what do they get in return? More suicide bombings and missiles launched at them.

Those insane Muslims will never be happy until every Israeli is dead. They are all just like Iran's psychotic leader.

[matt19]

The Isrealis do the same shit. Thats why the whole region hates the U.S. because American unfairly backs Isreal no matter what, right or wrong. Thats unfair to the Palestinians.

And wtf are you some sort of queer tennis player? Game set match, your gay.

[Redballjets88]

exactly, but Ford hates them.

i wonder if that means that Ford wants Native americans to start bombing every where here and then Mexico invade the whole southwest. i mean they do have some right to be there dont they?

[matt19]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
Israel has tried and tried to appease the Palestinians and those who support them, but to no avail. They have given up land and made their own people move out just to try and make the Palestinians happy, but what do they get in return? More suicide bombings and missiles launched at them.

Those insane Muslims will never be happy until every Israeli is dead. They are all just like Iran's psychotic leader.


DING DING DING.........YOU HAVE WON THE RETARDED STEREOTYPE OF THE DAY!!!!!!!

:rolleyes:

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
exactly, but Ford hates them.

i wonder if that means that Ford wants Native americans to start bombing every where here and then Mexico invade the whole southwest. i mean they do have some right to be there dont they?

No he doesn't, he just said he didn't. Its not fair to the Palistinians not to have a Palistine, but the Jews to have a Isreal. That is why there is fighting. You are an idiot.

[Redballjets88]

no im not. Its not fair? hahahaha this isnt kindergarten you should know life isnt fair. and Israelis have just as much right to it as Muslims, since the Muslims kicked the jews out in the first place, and if they are "fighting" over it wouldnt the victor take the spoils? therefore Israerlis get israel. but i mean whatever just keep thinking you're right. and sucking off ford

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
no im not. Its not fair? hahahaha this isnt kindergarten you should know life isnt fair. and Israelis have just as much right to it as Muslims, since the Muslims kicked the jews out in the first place, and if they are "fighting" over it wouldnt the victor take the spoils? therefore Israerlis get israel. but i mean whatever just keep thinking you're right. and sucking off ford

You are right this isn't kindergarden. So you should use capital letters, and correct grammar. But you cry when anyone will bring that up.

What victor? Hamas kicked the shit out of Isreal before that ceasefire.
How can there be a victor if they are still fighting?

How come you capitialize Isrealis, but not Isreal? And the Muslims didn't kick out the Jews the region was controlled by various countries as commonwealths and colonies. Isreal was awarded the land after WWII by the U.N. post holocast. They didn't win the fucking land.

So your telling me there shouldn't be a Palistine? You are fucking retarded to think that wouldn't help the situation. The Israelis assasinated their best chance at peace when they killed Rabin.

And yes you are an idiot ;)

[matt19]

And I never said that Israelis didn't have a right to the land, I merely said that the Muslims have a right too.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
no im not. Its not fair? hahahaha this isnt kindergarten you should know life isnt fair. and Israelis have just as much right to it as Muslims, since the Muslims kicked the jews out in the first place, and if they are "fighting" over it wouldnt the victor take the spoils? therefore Israerlis get israel. but i mean whatever just keep thinking you're right. and sucking off ford

It was the ROMANS who kicked the Jews out, you fucking dumbass. And the Palestinians occupied the land for the better part of 2,000 years. That's a pretty good case of ownership, wouldn't you say?

If you can't acknowledge that reality, then get the fuck out of Texas and give your house to a Mexican. Or for ToungeInLikudAss or any other Likud Apologists here, give your house back to whatever Native American tribe the land was stolen from.

Fair is fair, right? And the 230 years this country's been in existence is a lot less than the existence of Palestine.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
no im not. Its not fair? hahahaha this isnt kindergarten you should know life isnt fair. and Israelis have just as much right to it as Muslims, since the Muslims kicked the jews out in the first place, and if they are "fighting" over it wouldnt the victor take the spoils? therefore Israerlis get israel. but i mean whatever just keep thinking you're right. and sucking off ford

Um, it was the Romans that kicked out the Jews...

And instead of bashing you for your vast oversimplifications and ignorance of history, I shall attempt to enlighten you by linking this thread (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47026).

Enjoy!

[Redballjets88]

well you're the one who is wrong because when the romans took over israel the jews still lived there and had a government in place until the muslims came in.


and the time the Jews have been in exsistance is the same amount or longer, they Both have a claim to the land and Israel has control right now, whats the big fucking deal about that?

[Redballjets88]

http://www.masada2000.org/

there is a history of israel, and it says that arabs aka muslims aka palestinians at many points have taken control. look at the crusades...

the point is both peoples have a right to the land, and they fight over this right and the Israelis win everytime. the ultimate right belongs to the jews

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
well you're the one who is wrong because when the romans took over israel the jews still lived there and had a government in place until the muslims came in.


and the time the Jews have been in exsistance is the same amount or longer, they Both have a claim to the land and Israel has control right now, whats the big fucking deal about that?

The Romans kicked the Jews out of Jerusalem in AD 70. That was officially the end of the state of Israel until May 10, 1948. Some Jews stuck around for a while, others did not. All of this was over 500 years before Mohammad showed up, so there weren't any Muslims to blame it on.

You really gotta get your history from somewhere other than www.rightwinghorseshit.com

[Redballjets88]

or you should stop getting your info from www.psychoticliberalbabbel.com.....it goes both ways my socialist friend.

point is that israelis are in charge of israel, and there isnt a problem with that.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
http://www.masada2000.org/



Nice page....

Starts out with a quote from a genocidal terrorist, and from there continues on with some of the most vile Zionfascist propaganda on the planet.

Registered to a PUSSY who hides behind a Hotmail account
"uzi7@hotmail.com"

What a goddamned joke.

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
well you're the one who is wrong because when the romans took over israel the jews still lived there and had a government in place until the muslims came in.


and the time the Jews have been in exsistance is the same amount or longer, they Both have a claim to the land and Israel has control right now, whats the big fucking deal about that?

Thats what I fucking said, you really need to learn how to fucking read. Maybe I should start typing like a retard and you could understand what the fuck i'm saying. The big deal is Isreal isn't always fucking right, and Amercia backs them every fucking time. That is a HUGE reason many countries dislike the United States.

READ, before you post dickweed. :rolleyes:

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
Nice page....

Starts out with a quote from a genocidal terrorist, and from there continues on with some of the most vile Zionfascist propaganda on the planet.

Registered to a PUSSY who hides behind a Hotmail account
"uzi7@hotmail.com"

What a goddamned joke.



so therefore the historical reference is untrue....find a better angle to attack me from.


or admit that im right

[Redballjets88]

but whats the point of being liked by crappy countries

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
so therefore the historical reference is untrue....find a better angle to attack me from.


or admit that im right


http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t200/altered1986/retard.jpg

Typical response, no matter what you are right, clean the jizz from your eyes and read before you post.

[matt19]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
but whats the point of being liked by crappy countries

Hmm so you won't have to fight a unilateral war? Oh wait that already happened. :rolleyes:

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88


point is that israelis are in charge of israel, and there isnt a problem with that.

The problem is that Likud Zionfascists are running BOTH Israel's government AND that of the United States. And doing irreversible damage to both countries in the process.

These fucking bastards......

http://utah.indymedia.org/uploads/pnac-criminals-2.jpg

....are no friend of ANY Israeli or American.

[Redballjets88]

more psycho babble...i cant have a conversation with you bc you always just pull some psychotic bullshit out of your ass and act like its a point

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by matt19


Typical response, no matter what you are right, clean the jizz from your eyes and read before you post.

Umm, you are just making yourself and the party you are aligned with look bad... try growing up and acting mature before you converse with the adults.

[Nickdfresh]

http://utah.indymedia.org/uploads/pnac-criminals-2.jpg

Incompetent scumbags, one and all!

[matt19]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
Umm, you are just making yourself and the party you are aligned with look bad... try growing up and acting mature before you converse with the adults.

LMMFAO!!! And just which party am I aligned to? Don't be angry because you are wrong it happens all the time.

[matt19]

Originally posted by matt19
LMMFAO!!! Do you know me? Don't be angry because you are wrong it happens all the time.



Hey FORD which politcal party do I belong to?

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by matt19
LMMFAO!!! And just which party am I aligned to? Don't be angry because you are wrong it happens all the time.

I think your acronym LMMFAO pretty much proved my point. And you can bash me all you want, it is ok because I didn't want to be your BFF anyway.

Ohh and BTW, it doens't matter which party you are aligned with..the point is you are making it look bad.

[matt19]

Don;t be mad because I am internet savy, and politicly involved. The real funny thing is that I count just as much as you do. And I don't give a good god damn what you think of me so go back and hide under your rock and deny that Repulicans do anything wrong.

[Dr. Love]

TARD FIGHT

[Steve Savicki]

May as well close or even dump this. FORD originally started to comment on the original subject, but somehow... things got off track...

[Dr. Love]

This is the Army, nubbins. We need to take this old school. You say something stupid, prepare to be introduced to the pavement.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
i didnt say im the only one that matters, the reason i said that is because ford portrays america as a post apocolyptic world with a fascist dictator. which IS an ignorant view.

If you understood what was going on, you would at least be able to see Ford's point of view.

He's out there, but he's not totally crazy.

You simply do not have enough experience yet. It took 9-11 for me to wake up. But I was just old enough and educated enough to truly understand the ramifications. At age 12 you were not. You were told the terrorists hate us for our freedoms and you believed it.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Dr. Love
This is the Army, nubbins. We need to take this old school. You say something stupid, prepare to be introduced to the pavement.


Love ya, Baby!!! :D