Computer Simulates World Trade Center Attacks

[Full Bug]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_us/attacks_simulation
Simulation finds 9/11 fireproofing key By STEVE HERMAN, Associated Press Writer


INDIANAPOLIS - A computer simulation of the 2001 World Trade Center attacks supports a federal agency's findings that the initial impact from the hijacked airplanes stripped away crucial fireproofing material and that the weakened towers collapsed under their own weight.


The two-year Purdue University study, funded in part by the National Science Foundation, was the first to use 3-D animation to provide visual context to the attacks, said Christoph Hoffmann, a professor of computer science and one of the lead researchers on the project.

"One thing it does point out... is the absolute essential nature of fireproofing steel structures," Hoffmann told The Associated Press. "This is something that wasn't done originally in the World Trade Center when it was built. It wasn't code at that time."

Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering and a lead investigator on the simulation, said Purdue researchers hope their work leads to better structural design and building codes to prevent similar collapses.

"In the unfortunate development that we shall have to design structures to survive such events, the methods we have developed and will be developing will be of great use to designers," Sozen said.

The animation, intended in part to help engineers design safer buildings, begins with a map of lower Manhattan as it appeared on Sept. 11, 2001. The video then shows a plane slicing through several stories of the World Trade Center's north tower and follows the disintegrating plane through the interior and out the opposite side.

The report concludes that the weight of the aircraft's fuel, when ignited, produced "a flash flood of flaming liquid" that knocked out a number of structural columns within the building and removed the fireproofing insulation from other support structures, Hoffmann said.

The simulation also found that the airplane's metal skin peeled away shortly after impact and shows how the titanium jet engine shafts flew through the building like bullets.

Ayhan Irfanoglu, a Purdue professor of civil engineering, said half of the building's weight-bearing columns were concentrated at the cores of the towers.

"When that part is wiped out, the structure comes down," Irfanoglu said. "We design structures with some extra capacity to cover some uncertainties, but we never anticipate such heavy demand coming from an aircraft impact. If the columns were distributed, maybe, the fire could not take them out so easily."

A 2005 report following a three-year investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, a federal engineering agency, recommended that cities raise fire standards for skyscrapers and develop new materials that can better protect tall buildings from fire. That analysis did not blame the collapse on the steel or design of the towers, but instead focused on the damage to the fireproofing.

Shyam Sunder, the lead NIST investigator, said he was aware of the Purdue study and called it and his own agency's study "among probably the most prominent analyses that have been conducted in the United States."

The animation is the latest project by the Purdue team to assess the structural damage from the Sept. 11 attacks. The team also studied the impact of the crash into the Pentagon.

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[FORD]

They have computer simulations that "prove" Oswald was the lone gunman also. Even though it's impossible.

A computer will give you exactly the results it is programmed to give you.

"flash flood of flaming liquid"??

That's completely ridiculous, especially in the second tower where the majority of the jet fuel burned off OUTSIDE of the building.

As far as the buildings outer skin "peeling away" goes, if that was the case, then it would have continued to do so, like a pair of giant metal bananas, and the collapse of the building would have been much slower and uneven.

Instead you have this outer steel blown to bits along with the inner columns, and Thermate residue present on both, which is evidence of demolition explosives.

[ELVIS]

Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense, FORD...

The buildings went down as a result of airplanes hitting them!

Building number 7 (or whatever it's called) went down after falling debris from one ot the towers weakened it's foundation...

It's all been proven and documented in great detail...




:elvis:

[Redballjets88]

no elvis the morning of 9-11 bush went in the building and put bombs throughout with no one noticing...duh

[ELVIS]

Yeah, he's supposedly the dumbest President in history, but on the other hand he's a genius who pulled off a controlled demolition of three buildings in New York, sent a missile into the Pentagon and shot down a plane that was intended to hit the White House...

All while reading to children in Florida, the perfect cover up...


Hahaha...makes me laugh just trying to type this garbage...


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Oh, and I heard that his hurricane remote controller is repaired and ready to pick up, so look out!!!

[Redballjets88]

it is holy shit damn what will he do next.

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
[B]
As far as the buildings outer skin "peeling away" goes, if that was the case, then it would have continued to do so, like a pair of giant metal bananas, and the collapse of the building would have been much slower and uneven.

B]

Actually, the article is stating that it was the airplane's metal skin peeling away, but don't let facts get in the way of a perfectly disturbed spin.


Who says all of the fuel burned on the outside? Which experts are you quoting that offer this alternative theory?

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
Actually, the article is stating that it was the airplane's metal skin peeling away, but don't let facts get in the way of a perfectly disturbed spin.


Who says all of the fuel burned on the outside? Which experts are you quoting that offer this alternative theory?

A picture's worth 1000 words, Jeff......

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF2C7.jpg

Because the second plane, whether by design or by accident, did not hit the target in the center of the floor, it caused most of the jet fuel to be blown out of the side of the building, hence the huge orange fireball.

Also there's the fact that both towers stopped showing any signs of flames within a few minutes after impact, and it was all smoke coming from both towers at the time of the collapse. There was not enough fuel inside the buildings to sustain this hot fire and all that was burning by then was the interiors of the buildings themselves. Furnishings, paper, carpet, etc. None of which burn hot enough to melt steel.

But Thermate does.

[ELVIS]

Ok Rosie...:rolleyes:

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by FORD
They have computer simulations that "prove" Oswald was the lone gunman also. Even though it's impossible.



um...it's totally possible that oswald was the lone gunman. getting off the required 3 shots in the required time using that weapon has been duplicated.

that you or i may say it's unlikely that it happened exactly that way is one thing. but it's not impossible.

[FORD]

Originally posted by knuckleboner


that you or i may say it's unlikely that it happened exactly that way is one thing. but it's not impossible.

You're right. Oswald was unlikely. Sirhan was impossible.

(RFK was killed by a point blank shot behind his right ear, and Sirhan was in front of him at all times. But I've seen a computer simulation of that one too. And laughed through the entire thing.)

[stringfelowhawk]

Well, I'm not taking sides here I just remembered this line from JFK and thought it summed up this debate by showing that neither side will give ground therefore, it is a continuous loop.

"Physics says an elephant can hang over the side of a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy. But use your common sense."

Or some shit like that!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
A picture's worth 1000 words, Jeff......

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF2C7.jpg

Because the second plane, whether by design or by accident, did not hit the target in the center of the floor, it caused most of the jet fuel to be blown out of the side of the building, hence the huge orange fireball.

Also there's the fact that both towers stopped showing any signs of flames within a few minutes after impact, and it was all smoke coming from both towers at the time of the collapse. There was not enough fuel inside the buildings to sustain this hot fire and all that was burning by then was the interiors of the buildings themselves. Furnishings, paper, carpet, etc. None of which burn hot enough to melt steel.

But Thermate does.


From which University did you get your Phd in structural engineering that gives you the right to disagree with all of the experts in the world in this field?

Or did you just get this shit from a stupid internet conspiracy website...?

[sadaist]

Originally posted by FORD

Because the second plane, whether by design or by accident, did not hit the target in the center of the floor, it caused most of the jet fuel to be blown out of the side of the building, hence the huge orange fireball.

How do you know that the orange fireball you are referring to represents "most" of the jet fuel? Has the size and temperature of the fireball been measured to determine how much of the fuel on board the aircraft it would have taken to cause it? How much fuel remained to ignite inside the building?

[frets5150]

Hmm Funny how they forgot to add the little flashes as the planes hit the towers.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/4flashes1.jpg

Explain.


And WTF is under the bottom of this plane? I know a shadow.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/missilehighlight1.jpg

And why is this never shown on the news?

:rolleyes:

[frets5150]

How Could this woman walk through fire hot enough 2 Melt Steel? Her shoes would be burned right off and so would her skin at 1500 Deg.I know the pic was photoshopped.



http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/vmHRie4vbSEpv8iVvZt0Wos71zzEfvkv012.jpg



:rolleyes:

[frets5150]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense, FORD...
The buildings went down as a result of airplanes hitting them!
Building number 7 (or whatever it's called) went down after falling debris from one ot the towers weakened it's foundation...



So why didn't any apartment Buildings next to the towers collapse they were also hit by debris?


:confused:

And wrong Larry Silverstein said pull building # 7 what else could pull it mean pull his dick?And if you slow down the video of Building# 7 you can see flashes in the windows.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html


And will you look at that Massive fire in Building #7 Thats enough to bring it down.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/wtc7-fires1.jpg






:rolleyes:

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by frets5150
http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html


I wonder why Alex Jones chose that domain name.

Was www.totalfuckingbullshit.com already taken.

And www.makingmoneyfrom911.com

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by FORD
Sirhan was impossible.

(RFK was killed by a point blank shot behind his right ear, and Sirhan was in front of him at all times. But I've seen a computer simulation of that one too. And laughed through the entire thing.)

heh heh. i haven't looked into RFK enough to have any idea, so i'll have to defer and let this one stand...;)

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by frets5150
So why didn't any apartment Buildings next to the towers collapse they were also hit by debris?


:confused:

And wrong Larry Silverstein said pull building # 7 what else could pull it mean pull his dick?And if you slow down the video of Building# 7 you can see flashes in the windows.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html


And will you look at that Massive fire in Building #7 Thats enough to bring it down.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/wtc7-fires1.jpg


:rolleyes:

"Pull" the building means, "Get everyone out". It was obvious the building had structural damage and may collapse so he was telling them to get everyone out. Nothing to see here.


Also, you notice the 2 main towers begin collapsing exactly where the planes hit. Now, if there were bombs wired up in there don't you think the planes would have wreked all the wiring when they hit the building making the bombs useless? Or wouldn't the fire and impact cuas ethe bombs to go off immediately, not many minutes later?

Also, how did the planes hit exactly on the floors where the bombs were planted? Or did someone go up after the impacts and set the explosives in the middle of all that fire and smoke?

Anyone that thinks explosives were the cause of the towers falling obviously has a screw loose.

[lonnieg5]

Hey FORD, all kidding aside, what's your take on the first moonwalk?

[steve]

Having just spent about the past 2 and a half hours...
a. looking through the IBC Commercial Construction Code Book Sections 7 (Fire REstance RAted Construction) and 26 (insulation fire resistance)
b. on the phone with IBC code officials and general contractors.
c. on the phone with flame resistance rated wall wrap suppliers
d. comparing testing data of

I can tell you all one thing...

Not only can a jet airliner going 800 MPH rip right through fire wrapping (which is usually GWB or .033 inch aluminum)...

...a fist can...a screwdriver can...A NUMBER 2 PENCIL CAN.

My conclusion: of course the damn structure was exposed to the fire!

[FORD]

Originally posted by lonnieg5
Hey FORD, all kidding aside, what's your take on the first moonwalk?

You mean this one?

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/n_3v-_p3ESo"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/n_3v-_p3ESo" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Impressive dance moves, but not my musical cup of tea. There was about 30 seconds of that entire album that was listenable, and I think we all know why.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by steve
Having just spent about the past 2 and a half hours...
a. looking through the IBC Commercial Construction Code Book Sections 7 (Fire REstance RAted Construction) and 26 (insulation fire resistance)
b. on the phone with IBC code officials and general contractors.
c. on the phone with flame resistance rated wall wrap suppliers
d. comparing testing data of

I can tell you all one thing...

Not only can a jet airliner going 800 MPH rip right through fire wrapping (which is usually GWB or .033 inch aluminum)...

...a fist can...a screwdriver can...A NUMBER 2 PENCIL CAN.

My conclusion: of course the damn structure was exposed to the fire!

And the terrorists knew this and so strapped giant pencils to the underside of the planes.:D

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/missilehighlight1.jpg

[jcook11]

Originally posted by FORD
They have computer simulations that "prove" Oswald was the lone gunman also. Even though it's impossible.

A computer will give you exactly the results it is programmed to give you.

"flash flood of flaming liquid"??

That's completely ridiculous, especially in the second tower where the majority of the jet fuel burned off OUTSIDE of the building.

As far as the buildings outer skin "peeling away" goes, if that was the case, then it would have continued to do so, like a pair of giant metal bananas, and the collapse of the building would have been much slower and uneven.

Instead you have this outer steel blown to bits along with the inner columns, and Thermate residue present on both, which is evidence of demolition explosives.

It's nice to know I can go away for awhile...comeback and my computer still proves that you are a nut FORD :D

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
You mean this one?

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/n_3v-_p3ESo"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/n_3v-_p3ESo" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Impressive dance moves, but not my musical cup of tea. There was about 30 seconds of that entire album that was listenable, and I think we all know why.

LMFAO! :D You "beat (me to) it."

[lonnieg5]

Good one, FORD.

There's a number of people who think it never happened. Given your views on 9/11, I wondered if you were one of them.

[FORD]

Nah, I don't think the moon landing was faked. Not that I'd put it past the BCE to do it, but special effects back then weren't quite as good as they are now.

Everything at that time, especially where space was concerned, was a giant chess game with the Russians, beginning with Sputnik and ending with the fall of Skylab, most likely.

If they had faked the moon landing, the Soviets would have been all over that like Boris Yeltsin on a bottle of Stoli. And they probably would have had a spy somewhere within NASA who would have known right away.

[jcook11]

Originally posted by FORD
Nah, I don't think the moon landing was faked. Not that I'd put it past the BCE to do it, but special effects back then weren't quite as good as they are now.

Everything at that time, especially where space was concerned, was a giant chess game with the Russians, beginning with Sputnik and ending with the fall of Skylab, most likely.

If they had faked the moon landing, the Soviets would have been all over that like Boris Yeltsin on a bottle of Stoli. And they probably would have had a spy somewhere within NASA who would have known right away.

The world must be gonna end shortly.....we finally agree on two things this and Bush has fucked this country up completley, And yes sadly I voted for him twice.

[Redballjets88]

popular mechnics did an issue over the 9/11 myth stuff, and debunked all the bush did it shit and proved the scientists right.

sure jet fuel cant burn through steel but it reduces the strength by 50% which isnt enough to hold up the weight of the building making it collapse....and the pic up the with the plane is bullshit b/c no commercial plane has the ability to carry a missle

[FORD]

That "Popular Mechanics" article was written by Michael "of the Devil" Chertoff's cousin, and is complete BCE propaganda horseshit.

[Redballjets88]

nope it isnt b/c the BCE doesnt exsist.....and he didnt do the research....but there is no point arguing with a closed minded socialist

[FORD]

Fuck that Likud cocksucker Chertoff and his equally traitorous cousin in the ass with their molten steel - which apparently bends with the heat of a goddamned BIC lighter.

Believe these treasonous lying motherfucking traitors at your own peril. Then do some goddamn research into the van of "art students" who were jumping up and down in celebration from the Jersey side of the river as the towers imploded.

They weren't Palestinians. Or Iraqis. Or Afghans. Or Saudis. Or Iranians. Or Jordanians. Or Yemenians. Or Egyptians. Or Syrians.

Did I forget anyone from that region..........

[Redballjets88]

or ill keep my sanity

[FORD]

Read THIS (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html) and get educated, you fucking moron.

[frets5150]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove [
"Pull" the building means, "Get everyone out". It was obvious the building had structural damage and may collapse so he was telling them to get everyone out. Nothing to see here


Bullshit what he should have said is everyone Evacuate not Pull It.


And I see no structural damage to buildind # 7

1988 First Interstate Bank Building fire in Los Angeles Burned out of control for 3-1/2 hours Gutted 4 floors of the 64-floor Building why did'nt this collapse?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/Cj2Z1hDy2UVGg1hfRMsaplJ2NjZVXCx017C.jpg

[frets5150]

Originally posted by Redballjets88 and the pic up the with the plane is bullshit b/c no commercial plane has the ability to carry a missle


Exactly and it would have been noticed Look at all the old Cnn, Fox, Abc, Nbc news footage and you will hear witnesses say that the plane was no
commercial plane. One reporter from Nbc said it was a cargo plane with no windows. But you will have to find someone who recorded it that day because it was never repeated again. :mad:

[jcook11]

Originally posted by frets5150
Exactly and it would have been noticed Look at all the old Cnn, Fox, Abc, Nbc news footage and you will hear witnesses say that the plane was no
commercial plane. One reporter from Nbc said it was a cargo plane with no windows. But you will have to find someone who recorded it that day because it was never repeated again. :mad:

And i suppose that all the passengers that were on the "commercial flights" are being held at area 51 :p :mad:

[FORD]

Originally posted by jcook11
And i suppose that all the passengers that were on the "commercial flights" are being held at area 51 :p :mad:

Operation Northwoods, a prequel to 9-11 which was refused by President Kennedy, included plans for crashing hijacked planes with falsified passenger lists, including even staging some fake funerals.

And the plane that didn't hit the Pentagon, in particular, had mostly DOD employees and employees of defense contractor Raytheon on board, as well as BCE propagandist Barbara Olson, wife of Florida election fraud specialist/Solicitor General Ted Olson.

A group of people like this might very well have moved "underground". Though probably not Area 51. More likely Mt. Weather Virginia. Or the underground facility adjoining Denver International Airport, which is where Cheney spends most of his time with the "shadow government".

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
That "Popular Mechanics" article was written by Michael "of the Devil" Chertoff's cousin, and is complete BCE propaganda horseshit.

Maybe if you say this a few hundred more times, it will become true. :)

I have faith in you big guy. You can do it.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
Read THIS (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html) and get educated, you fucking moron.

no i dont read propaganda

[frets5150]

Originally posted by jcook11
And i suppose that all the passengers that were on the "commercial flights" are being held at area 51 :p :mad:

No but maybe at 5150



:D :rolleyes:

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
Read THIS (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html) and get educated, you fucking moron.

LMAO. Yes, the answers to all of life's mysteries are found at "whatreallyhappened.com" , that bastion of journalistic integrity.

[jcook11]

Originally posted by FORD
Operation Northwoods, a prequel to 9-11 which was refused by President Kennedy, included plans for crashing hijacked planes with falsified passenger lists, including even staging some fake funerals.

And the plane that didn't hit the Pentagon, in particular, had mostly DOD employees and employees of defense contractor Raytheon on board, as well as BCE propagandist Barbara Olson, wife of Florida election fraud specialist/Solicitor General Ted Olson.

A group of people like this might very well have moved "underground". Though probably not Area 51. More likely Mt. Weather Virginia. Or the underground facility adjoining Denver International Airport, which is where Cheney spends most of his time with the "shadow government".

"And the winner of this years most paranoid motherfucker on the planet is?................................. :D

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
From which University did you get your Phd in structural engineering that gives you the right to disagree with all of the experts in the world in this field?

Or did you just get this shit from a stupid internet conspiracy website...?

It's a close one, but I'm going to stick my neck out and go with option 2.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
LMAO. Yes, the answers to all of life's mysteries are found at "whatreallyhappened.com" , that bastion of journalistic integrity.

At least it's not staffed by BCE relatives or owned by defense contractors.

[Redballjets88]

its true. any website that agrees with what ford think is right in his opinion. but anything a "neocon" looks at is a lie

[FORD]

Originally posted by jcook11
"And the winner of this years most paranoid motherfucker on the planet is?................................. :D

Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. Or in your case, snort so much drano that you forget about it, and repeat it again.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
At least it's not staffed by BCE relatives or owned by defense contractors.

Yes it is. Check it out at whatreallyhappenedisafraud.com.

If it says so on the internet, it must be true.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

And what happens to those who create their own versions of history? :)

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
its true. any website that agrees with what ford think is right in his opinion. but anything a "neocon" looks at is a lie

So you deny that the BCE are proven liars?

[jcook11]

FORD,buddy come out of your fortified bun...parents basement. Get a little fresh air, leave the keyboard alone for awhile expierience some of lifes amazing wond.....never mind stay where you are and BE AFRAID VERY AFRAID!

[Redballjets88]

i deny the exsistance of the BCE

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
And what happens to those who create their own versions of history? :)

You mean like the Likud/PNAC'ers did when they first wrote the "Clean Break" documents as a basis for the Netanyahu Likud regime, and then used the same documents as a blueprint for PNAC in 1998?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
i deny the exsistance of the BCE

You can deny the existance of the scorpion that crawled into your sleeping bag, but that ain't gonna keep him from stinging your ass.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
You mean like the Likud/PNAC'ers did when they first wrote the "Clean Break" documents as a basis for the Netanyahu Likud regime, and then used the same documents as a blueprint for PNAC in 1998?

Yes. Or, closer to home, you. :)

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
You mean like the Likud/PNAC'ers did when they first wrote the "Clean Break" documents as a basis for the Netanyahu Likud regime, and then used the same documents as a blueprint for PNAC in 1998?

nah dude he meant you, why would he mean anything else

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
You can deny the existance of the scorpion that crawled into your sleeping bag, but that ain't gonna keep him from stinging your ass.

LMAO. Not one of your better comebacks. :D

[FORD]

If I created my own version of history, I'd go back 9 months before Prescott Bush was born and made sure at least one of his parents was sterilized.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
You can deny the existance of the scorpion that crawled into your sleeping bag, but that ain't gonna keep him from stinging your ass.

yeah but a scopion in a sleeping bag is possible

[frets5150]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
its true. any website that agrees with what ford think is right in his opinion. but anything a "neocon" looks at is a lie

Not only websites try reading the paper once in awhile.




http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/08-05-200608_19_37PM.jpg

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
If I created my own version of history, I'd go back 9 months before Prescott Bush was born and made sure at least one of his parents was sterilized.

that would just take out the bush family, a lot of stuff would would be the same

[jcook11]

59% unlikely hmmmmm

[frets5150]

Originally posted by frets5150
How Could this woman walk through fire hot enough 2 Melt Steel? Her shoes would be burned right off and so would her skin at 1500 Deg.I know the pic was photoshopped.



http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/vmHRie4vbSEpv8iVvZt0Wos71zzEfvkv012.jpg



:rolleyes:



Hmm I find it Odd that not one person here had somethong to say about this. Ask Popular Mechanics I'm sure that you will get no answer.


:rolleyes:

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by frets5150
Hmm I find it Odd that not one person here had somethong to say about this. Ask Popular Mechanics I'm sure that you will get no answer.


:rolleyes:

It's a nice picture.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
that would just take out the bush family, a lot of stuff would would be the same

The BCE created Hitler, so without him, there would be no WWII.

Without WWII Europe wouldn't have been cut down the middle and given to the US and the USSR, so the Cold War would have been unlikely. And there would have been no nuclear arms race, because no Nazi scientists would have been working on the weapons and no bombs would have been dropped on Japan.

JFK, RFK, and MLK would either still be alive today, or would have died from natural causes. Their plans for a better world would have been carried out, and we would probably be at peace today.

Osama Bin Laden, created as a terrorist under Poppy Bush's CIA, would have been just another spoiled rich Saudi dumbass laying around the swimming pool with his wives rolling in oil money..... until Jimmy Carter got us completely off of foreign oil.

Sounds like a great world without the BCE, doesn't it?

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by frets5150
Bullshit what he should have said is everyone Evacuate not Pull It.


And I see no structural damage to buildind # 7

1988 First Interstate Bank Building fire in Los Angeles Burned out of control for 3-1/2 hours Gutted 4 floors of the 64-floor Building why did'nt this collapse?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/Cj2Z1hDy2UVGg1hfRMsaplJ2NjZVXCx017C.jpg

Maybe because it didn't have a 747 crash into it taking most of the support collumns out of it and then have jet fuel burning and weaking those that were left.

Why is it so hard to beleive that a fully fueled jet liner can cause a building to fall? Why, well because you hate Bush that is why. If Al Gore were president when it happened you wouldn't be saying a damn word about explosives.....and spare me the mumbo jumbo about how it wouldn'dt have happened if he was President.

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by FORD
The BCE created Hitler, so without him, there would be no WWII.

Without WWII Europe wouldn't have been cut down the middle and given to the US and the USSR, so the Cold War would have been unlikely. And there would have been no nuclear arms race, because no Nazi scientists would have been working on the weapons and no bombs would have been dropped on Japan.

JFK, RFK, and MLK would either still be alive today, or would have died from natural causes. Their plans for a better world would have been carried out, and we would probably be at peace today.

Osama Bin Laden, created as a terrorist under Poppy Bush's CIA, would have been just another spoiled rich Saudi dumbass laying around the swimming pool with his wives rolling in oil money..... until Jimmy Carter got us completely off of foreign oil.

Sounds like a great world without the BCE, doesn't it?


Would the keyboard your typing with exist without WWII?

Televison? Radar? Jet Airplanes?

Without WWII...There would've been no Civil Rights movement..Being that was the first time they allowed blacks to do something other than peel potatoes?

JFK would've Never gotten big, being that his political beginnings started after the war..

The Holocaust sucked balls..No doubt...But without WWII..Could you imagine what the world would look like?

[FORD]

Originally posted by TongueNAss aka Serious DooDooHead

Why is it so hard to beleive that a fully fueled jet liner can cause a building to fall? Why, well because you hate Bush that is why.

Yes, my hatred of fascist Chimps has altered the laws of physics.

Maybe if I hate him even more, I can do away with gravity?

God damn you're a fool.

[frets5150]

Originally posted by jcook11
59% unlikely hmmmmm

Yeah but the other two = 36% and this was from a year ago more people are waking the fuck up while some are still sleeping.


Did you happen to read this part?


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/mmm.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/snore1.gif

[frets5150]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
Maybe because it didn't have a 747 crash into it taking most of the support collumns out of it and then have jet fuel burning and weaking those that were left.

Why is it so hard to beleive that a fully fueled jet liner can cause a building to fall? Why, well because you hate Bush that is why. If Al Gore were president when it happened you wouldn't be saying a damn word about explosives.....and spare me the mumbo jumbo about how it wouldn'dt have happened if he was President.


Who says it took out most of the Support Columns you?
And Most of the fuel was dispursed after the impact.

:rolleyes:

[frets5150]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
It's a nice picture.


Funny...


:rolleyes:

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
The BCE created Hitler, so without him, there would be no WWII.

Without WWII Europe wouldn't have been cut down the middle and given to the US and the USSR, so the Cold War would have been unlikely. And there would have been no nuclear arms race, because no Nazi scientists would have been working on the weapons and no bombs would have been dropped on Japan.

JFK, RFK, and MLK would either still be alive today, or would have died from natural causes. Their plans for a better world would have been carried out, and we would probably be at peace today.

Osama Bin Laden, created as a terrorist under Poppy Bush's CIA, would have been just another spoiled rich Saudi dumbass laying around the swimming pool with his wives rolling in oil money..... until Jimmy Carter got us completely off of foreign oil.

Sounds like a great world without the BCE, doesn't it?




god your insanity never ceases to amaze me

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
That "Popular Mechanics" article was written by Michael "of the Devil" Chertoff's cousin, and is complete BCE propaganda horseshit.

Stop making a fool of yourself.

That's just fucking pathetic. 300 experts wrote including

Air Crash Analysis
Cleveland Center regional air traffic control

Bill Crowley special agent, FBI

Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants

Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.

Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,
ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes

Ed Jacoby Jr. director,
New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)

Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority

Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)

Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA

Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center

Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.

James O’Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office

Jeff Pillets senior writer,
The Record, Hackensack, NJ

Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service

Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,
119th Wing, North Dakota
Air National Guard

Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

Air Defense
Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,
U.S. Air Force

Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,
Tyndall Air Force Base

Boston Center regional air traffic control

Laura Brown spokeswoman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation

Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board

Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board

Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,
North American Aerospace Defense Command

Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,
Andrews AFB

Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command

John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org

Hank Price spokesman, Federal
Aviation Administration

Warren Robak RAND Corp.

Bill Shumann spokesman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB

Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane’s Transport

Aviation
Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology

Robert Everdeen public affairs, Northrop Grumman

Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert

Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week
Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center

Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)
director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

Image Analysis
William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill

W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,
FEMA Probe Team

Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group

Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week

Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.

Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University

Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness

Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,
University of California, San Diego

Structural Engineering / Building Collapse
Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.
CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,
Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.
acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,
San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology

[Unchainme]

I'm angry at the gov't...But..I don't think they did it...I Think it's a part of a paranoia movement...Much like the Moon Landing Hoax crowd...Nothing wrong with it..At least they're educating themselves through the process and providing facts..Be it they sound crazy as loons..

Off Topic But..I've met An Astronaut off of Apollo 16..Mattingly I believe..I asked him how he felt about the believers in the hoax, and he genuninly laughed at the idea..

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
You can deny the existance of the scorpion that crawled into your sleeping bag, but that ain't gonna keep him from stinging your ass.

If Alex Jones told me there was a scorpion in my sleeping bag I'd roll over and go back to sleep without even looking...

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Stop making a fool of yourself.

That's just fucking pathetic. 300 experts wrote including

Air Crash Analysis
Cleveland Center regional air traffic control

Bill Crowley special agent, FBI

Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants

Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.

Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,
ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes

Ed Jacoby Jr. director,
New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)

Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority

Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)

Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA

Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center

Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.

James O’Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office

Jeff Pillets senior writer,
The Record, Hackensack, NJ

Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service

Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,
119th Wing, North Dakota
Air National Guard

Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

Air Defense
Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,
U.S. Air Force

Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,
Tyndall Air Force Base

Boston Center regional air traffic control

Laura Brown spokeswoman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation

Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board

Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board

Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,
North American Aerospace Defense Command

Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,
Andrews AFB

Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command

John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org

Hank Price spokesman, Federal
Aviation Administration

Warren Robak RAND Corp.

Bill Shumann spokesman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB

Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane’s Transport

Aviation
Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology

Robert Everdeen public affairs, Northrop Grumman

Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert

Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week
Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center

Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)
director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

Image Analysis
William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill

W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,
FEMA Probe Team

Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group

Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week

Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.

Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University

Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness

Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,
University of California, San Diego

Structural Engineering / Building Collapse
Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.
CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,
Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.
acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,
San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology

FORD=Pwned

[jcook11]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Stop making a fool of yourself.

That's just fucking pathetic. 300 experts wrote including

Air Crash Analysis
Cleveland Center regional air traffic control

Bill Crowley special agent, FBI

Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants

Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.

Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,
ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes

Ed Jacoby Jr. director,
New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)

Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority

Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)

Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA

Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center

Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.

James O’Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office

Jeff Pillets senior writer,
The Record, Hackensack, NJ

Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service

Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,
119th Wing, North Dakota
Air National Guard

Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

Air Defense
Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,
U.S. Air Force

Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,
Tyndall Air Force Base

Boston Center regional air traffic control

Laura Brown spokeswoman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation

Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board

Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board

Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,
North American Aerospace Defense Command

Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,
Andrews AFB

Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command

John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org

Hank Price spokesman, Federal
Aviation Administration

Warren Robak RAND Corp.

Bill Shumann spokesman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB

Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane’s Transport

Aviation
Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology

Robert Everdeen public affairs, Northrop Grumman

Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert

Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week
Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center

Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)
director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

Image Analysis
William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill

W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,
FEMA Probe Team

Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group

Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week

Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.

Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University

Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness

Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,
University of California, San Diego

Structural Engineering / Building Collapse
Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.
CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,
Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.
acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,
San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology

And every GODDAMNED one of them is BCE ...Right FORD!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
The BCE created Hitler, so without him, there would be no WWII.


http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/HPM/BM1162~Crazy-Doesn-t-Cover-It-Posters.jpg

[jcook11]

Originally posted by frets5150
Yeah but the other two = 36% and this was from a year ago more people are waking the fuck up while some are still sleeping.


Did you happen to read this part?


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/mmm.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/snore1.gif

Do I think the government is fucked up YES! Do I think Bush is fucking this country up YES (Ivoted for him twice) but those were commercial airplanes loaded with jet fuel that brought down those buildings that day by 19 well planned suicide bombers and they turned those planes into bombs PERIOD

[Seshmeister]

This thread will now die out after the cuntspiracy nuts get owned again.

In a couple of weeks a new thread will appear for the fucking 30th time.

It's worse than Scientology...

The 9-11 cuntspiracy people are like a stupid fucking religion.

They should set it up. Call themselves Shitologists.

Cheers!

:gulp:

[frets5150]

Originally posted by jcook11
Do I think the government is fucked up YES! Do I think Bush is fucking this country up YES (Ivoted for him twice) but those were commercial airplanes loaded with jet fuel that brought down those buildings that day by 19 well planned suicide bombers and they turned those planes into bombs PERIOD

Question would you vote for him a third time if Chimp was running again?

I don't agree. most of the fuel was dispursed upon impact So what brought down # 7?

Don't you find it odd that the FBI took those tapes from the citgo gas station and Sherraton hotel And all we saw was 5 sec of Blurry Bullshit?

[Unchainme]

Bush sucks...Congress Sucks..Our Government sucks shit...

But..They didn't collapse the fucking world trade towers..

[FORD]

Seems our "grasshopper" has been replaced by a troll.

I wonder who hacked his account?

[frets5150]

The passport of a suspected hijacker was discovered near the ruins of the World Trade Center But the black boxes were pulverized how Convenient.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/AOL1C3.jpg


GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.


:rolleyes:

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by frets5150
The passport of a suspected hijacker was discovered near the ruins of the World Trade Center But the black boxes were pulverized how Convenient.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/AOL1C3.jpg


GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.


:rolleyes:

Photoshop? :)...It's really easy to fake shit like that...

[frets5150]

Originally posted by Unchainme
Photoshop? :)...It's really easy to fake shit like that...

Photoshop? Yeah I just did it now.


:rolleyes:

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by frets5150
Photoshop? Yeah I just did it now.


:rolleyes:

No..Not you...someone else...Yeah..Something like that is Verrrrry easy to do..

[frets5150]

Originally posted by Unchainme
No..Not you...someone else...Yeah..Something like that is Verrrrry easy to do..


No it was found by the FBI call them and ask them!!!


:mad:

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by frets5150
Don't you find it odd that the FBI took those tapes from the citgo gas station and Sherraton hotel And all we saw was 5 sec of Blurry Bullshit?

No

[Seshmeister]

I like this post.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4213805.html




The evidence shows no explosives were used to collapse WTC1,2,7... See the following clips with sound of the collapse of the three buildings...Try to spot explosion sounds… WTC2 (1st bldg.) COLLAPSE... from inside WTC1 lobby... Note the collapse time from the moment the NYFD chief pauses and looks up, with the free-fall time of 9-10 seconds... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4LHUOPOEv4 WTC1 (2nd bldg.) COLLAPSE...compare sounds with the freefall time of 9-10 seconds... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeZAN5wn-eA WTC7 (3rd bldg.) COLLAPSE...note the policemen's opinions on the condition of WTC7... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4094539209684370800&q=wtc7+collapse&hl=en And for a BENCHMARK see the following clip of the 30 story, 10,000 SF per floor , steel framed concrete slab atop metal pans building…The Landmark Tower in Fort Worth...... First the structure... http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7996/scan00028gb.png Then the audio video...turn up the volume so the explosive sounds can be heard over the helicopter din... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ&mode=related&search= Now return to the videos of the WTC1,2,3 collapse…In the demolition of the Landmark Tower the sounds are extremely loud, jackhammer, staccato, many …the flashes BEFORE the collapse, very bright and sudden, momentary, multiple, patterned , …the collapse from the bottom up immediately after the bottom charges explode, where the least amount of charges take maximum advantage of gravity……..In WTC 1,2,7 the sounds of the collapsing floors are low, muffled, rumbling, continuous… the flashes in WTC1,2 come AFTER the floors begin collapsing and are continuous flames directly below the planes’ impacts, few, non-patterned, random, no large ground floor explosions immediately preceding the collapse at ground floor…the collapse in WTC1,2 begins directly at the floors the planes damaged…from the top down… WTC7 collapses bottom up…. WTC1,2 were each four times larger per floor and 3.6 times taller…Since the goal of demolition is to use the least explosives to demolish the structures, we should have seen and heard at WTC1,2, at each building AT LEAST 14 times the number of sounds and flashes of the Landmark Tower….But we do not. Go find Kevin Cosgrove's last five minutes on earth at the 105th floor of WTC2, at left side of video. NO EXPLOSIVE SOUNDS, only his voice recorded on 911..."I got young kids...We're young men… We're not ready to die..." and tell me who is to blame.

[diamondD]

Why isn't there an equally compelling document that backs up these demolition theories? I'm not talking about one put together with Adobe by some guy in his basement. I'm talking about one that's a completely scientific study by as many known experts.


Debunk the scientific evidence presented here. Quit fighting back with soundbites about scorpions and "the FBI took the tapes" bullshit.


But I'm guessing most likely it'll be time to limp away from this thread and repeat as needed in the next.

[diamondD]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
This thread will now die out after the cuntspiracy nuts get owned again.

In a couple of weeks a new thread will appear for the fucking 30th time.

It's worse than Scientology...

The 9-11 cuntspiracy people are like a stupid fucking religion.

They should set it up. Call themselves Shitologists.

Cheers!

:gulp:


LOL So true... Can't really tell who's more out there. :D

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
LOL So true... Can't really tell who's more out there. :D

That would be the "Todd Beamer Memorial Box Knife Cult".

They believe that 19 jackasses defeated not only the greatest military on the planet, but the very laws of physics themselves.

L. Ron Hubbard couldn't have dreamed up such a ridiculous plot even on pure liquid LSD.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by FORD
They believe that 19 jackasses defeated not only the greatest military on the planet, but the very laws of physics themselves.




do you realize how ludicrious that sounds?

it DOESN'T boost the validity of the alternative theory argument to say that the converse is impossible.

on the contrary; it makes the argument look far worse.

because of the mountain of evidence (credible or not) in favor of the official science, to claim that it's nonetheless IMPOSSIBLE, means that one MUST rely mostly upon conspiracies and coverups, rather than scientific rebukes. obviously, if it really were impossible, then the majority of scientists are either morons or in on the conspiracy somehow.

and since even the conspiracy theorists think it's too far out there to assume the majority of scientists and engineers can't do simple math, they're forced to say, "cover up! everybody's in on the coverup, except a very few people in the world. obviously, since nobody in MIT has proclaimed the official science wrong, they're all in on it, but one physics professor at BYU knows the truth!"



on the other hand, saying that the official story is possible, but not the ONLY possible explanation for the events; and then itemizing some of the proposed inconsistencies, omissions, and alternatives, is a much better chance of convincing people that the real story might not be the official one.

i may not agree with it, but it's much more likely that i'll look at the SCIENCE and say, "ok, i'll concede that the official story, however much i believe it, is not the ONLY explanation."

[Guitar Shark]

kb, what you are asking for is rational thought by the irrational.

[knuckleboner]

hey, if i didn't try to help out and demonstrate how to improve their arguments, then these threads would continue getting more and more stale, wouldn't they?...;)


(and actually, i REALLY want to understand why the decision to go "impossible" versus, "not the only one." seriously, to me, that makes the LEAST amount of sense of anything in those theories.)

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
That would be the "Todd Beamer Memorial Box Knife Cult".

They believe that 19 jackasses defeated not only the greatest military on the planet, but the very laws of physics themselves.

L. Ron Hubbard couldn't have dreamed up such a ridiculous plot even on pure liquid LSD.

Then back it up with something besides conspiracty shoutings and show us the scientific proof it is "impossible"


Bet you can't ;)

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by FORD
A picture's worth 1000 words, Jeff......

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF2C7.jpg

Because the second plane, whether by design or by accident, did not hit the target in the center of the floor, it caused most of the jet fuel to be blown out of the side of the building, hence the huge orange fireball.

Also there's the fact that both towers stopped showing any signs of flames within a few minutes after impact, and it was all smoke coming from both towers at the time of the collapse. There was not enough fuel inside the buildings to sustain this hot fire and all that was burning by then was the interiors of the buildings themselves. Furnishings, paper, carpet, etc. None of which burn hot enough to melt steel.

But Thermate does.

You are so correct on many things you post, but you are TOTALLY straight-jacket-insane on this whole 9-11 conspiracy. Sure, the BCE covered up the FUCKUPS but they did not detonate explosives and colapse buildings. Just no.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
That "Popular Mechanics" article was written by Michael "of the Devil" Chertoff's cousin, and is complete BCE propaganda horseshit.

I've never, ever have seen you provide any sort of reliable documentation on this point you repeatedly make in order to indict and negate what is considered one of the finest publications in America...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
The BCE created Hitler, so without him, there would be no WWII.

...

Gee, I always thought Hitler was "created" by a moral, political, and military vacuum resulting from WWI and the Versailles Treaty. This was further exacerbated by the world wide depression and an ineffectual Weimar gov't that was unable to deal with rapacious inflation, and an undersized German Army forcing the gov't to allow private militias to insure internal security.

But what do I know? I'm just an amateur, hack historian that tries to base things on generally recognized, and somewhat verifiable facts and not overly politicized, ideologically self-serving conjecture...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by frets5150
Don't you find it odd that the FBI took those tapes from the citgo gas station and Sherraton hotel And all we saw was 5 sec of Blurry Bullshit?'


What I find odd is that you keep repeating this as if it is some sort of trump card proving that 9/11 is an 'inside job'...

[frets5150]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
No

No? You need Help...

:confused:

[frets5150]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
'


What I find odd is that you keep repeating this as if it is some sort of trump card proving that 9/11 is an 'inside job'...

What I find odd is that the only two camera views that would show what hit the pentagon and once and for all would put an end to this shit were takin.The FBI were there within 10 min after impact cause they knew those cameras had captured the truth. To me that is an admission of guilt right there.:mad:

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Gee, I always thought Hitler was "created" by a moral, political, and military vacuum resulting from WWI and the Versailles Treaty. This was further exacerbated by the world wide depression and an ineffectual Weimar gov't that was unable to deal with rapacious inflation, and an undersized German Army forcing the gov't to allow private militias to insure internal security.

But what do I know? I'm just an amateur, hack historian that tries to base things on generally recognized, and somewhat verifiable facts and not overly politicized, ideologically self-serving conjecture...

So you deny that Prescott Bush and his partners George Herbert Walker, Averill Harriman, the Dulles brothers, the Browns, etc. funded Hitler and the rising NAZI movement, and continued to do so even after WWII began, even though Grandpa Bush himself was indicted under the "Trading With the Enemy" act in 1942??

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by FORD
So you deny that Prescott Bush and his partners George Herbert Walker, Averill Harriman, the Dulles brothers, the Browns, etc. funded Hitler and the rising NAZI movement, and continued to do so even after WWII began, even though Grandpa Bush himself was indicted under the "Trading With the Enemy" act in 1942??

Prescott S. Bush--1 share (director of UBC, which was co-founded and sponsored by his father-in-law George Walker; senior managing partner for E. Roland Harriman and Averell Harriman)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I've never, ever have seen you provide any sort of reliable documentation on this point you repeatedly make in order to indict and negate what is considered one of the finest publications in America...

Popular Mechanics is considered the equivalent of the "National Enquirer" by many engineers. And if you know what the term "yellow journalism" means, you may remember that the term started with Hearst newspapers during the first corporatist robber baron era over 100 years ago.

Guess who publishes Popular Mechanics (http://www.popularmechanics.com/marketing/contact/) ;)

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
So you deny that Prescott Bush and his partners George Herbert Walker, Averill Harriman, the Dulles brothers, the Browns, etc. funded Hitler and the rising NAZI movement, and continued to do so even after WWII began, even though Grandpa Bush himself was indicted under the "Trading With the Enemy" act in 1942??

Where did I say that?

I doubt they 'funded' him as such, but I'm sure they made a killing in blood money off the cunt. Pun intended.

But to say they "created" Hitler is fucking baloney, and only discredits your otherwise valid points...

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by FORD
Popular Mechanics is considered the equivalent of the "National Enquirer" by many engineers. And if you know what the term "yellow journalism" means, you may remember that the term started with Hearst newspapers during the first corporatist robber baron era over 100 years ago.

Guess who publishes Popular Mechanics (http://www.popularmechanics.com/marketing/contact/) ;)


Everything's a Part of the BCE!

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Prescott Bush was on the committee set up by Robert Wagner to help create the New York Mets

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
Popular Mechanics is considered the equivalent of the "National Enquirer" by many engineers...

So are the conspiracy websites you so concienciously trump here.

Those two fucking "Loose Change" bastards are the biggest 9/11-dead profit whores alive, not far behind Giuliani...

[Unchainme]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Babe_Ruth_George_Bush.jpg

Babe Ruth was in the BCE!

[FORD]

So when did Jizzystool hack Unchainme's account?

This ain't our Grasshopper posting the last few days......

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Where did I say that?

I doubt they 'funded' him as such, but I'm sure they made a killing in blood money off the cunt. Pun intended.

But to say they "created" Hitler is fucking baloney, and only discredits your otherwise valid points...

The fact is that they funded Hitler because they agreed with Eugenics (which Adolf would later take to extreme levels) and they agreed with fascism.

The funding of Hitler began in 1924. Wall street crashed in 1929, and Grandpa Bush had a lot to do with that as well.....

They wanted a corporatist fascist government HERE as well as Germany. Even after FDR was elected, they tried to bribe General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President Roosevelt.

They chose the wrong guy. General Butler was a patriot who not only had their bullshit figured out, but even knew what war itself was all about (http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm) in most cases.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
The fact is that they funded Hitler because they agreed with Eugenics (which Adolf would later take to extreme levels) and they agreed with fascism.

The funding of Hitler began in 1924. Wall street crashed in 1929, and Grandpa Bush had a lot to do with that as well.....

They wanted a corporatist fascist government HERE as well as Germany. Even after FDR was elected, they tried to bribe General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President Roosevelt.

They chose the wrong guy. General Butler was a patriot who not only had their bullshit figured out, but even knew what war itself was all about (http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm) in most cases.



even if they gave money they didnt know of the attrocities (sp?) that Hitler had in mind. most of germany had no idea the concentration camps were there. you spin it as if the bush family had hitler on strings and used him as a puppet

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
even if they gave money they didnt know of the attrocities (sp?) that Hitler had in mind. most of germany had no idea the concentration camps were there. you spin it as if the bush family had hitler on strings and used him as a puppet

Prescott Bush not only knew the concentration camps were there, he was invested in a company called Silesian Steel (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Silesian+steel&btnG=Google+Search) which used concentration camp labor!

And the steel, made by Jewish slave prison labor was used to kill Allied soldiers.

Nice goin', Grandpa Bush! :mad:

[Redballjets88]

no worries ford there is only a year left in bush's term

chin up big guy

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by frets5150
No? You need Help...

:confused:

If they hadn't taken the tapes you would be posting isn't it weird that they never took the evidence of the biggest crime in US history.

Why shouldn't they be unclear and jerky just the same as you see in every CCTV item on America's Dumbest Criminals et al.?

Because CCTV runs all day many systems have a very low frame rate of 1 a second or less.

[jcook11]

Originally posted by FORD
That would be the "Todd Beamer Memorial Box Knife Cult".

They believe that 19 jackasses defeated not only the greatest military on the planet, but the very laws of physics themselves.

L. Ron Hubbard couldn't have dreamed up such a ridiculous plot even on pure liquid LSD.

Pretty fucking simple we got caught with our pants down PERIOD! Just like at Pearl Harbor.....Oh I forgot that was the "BCE" too ;)