Olbermann: Bush, Cheney should resign

[FORD]

Olbermann: Bush, Cheney should resign

‘I didn’t vote for him, but he’s my president, and I hope he does a good job.’

SPECIAL COMMENT
By Keith Olbermann
Anchor, 'Countdown'
Updated: 5:13 p.m. PT July 3, 2007

“I didn’t vote for him,” an American once said, “But he’s my president, and I hope he does a good job.”

That—on this eve of the 4th of July—is the essence of this democracy, in 17 words. And that is what President Bush threw away yesterday in commuting the sentence of Lewis “Scooter” Libby.

The man who said those 17 words—improbably enough—was the actor John Wayne. And Wayne, an ultra-conservative, said them, when he learned of the hair’s-breadth election of John F. Kennedy instead of his personal favorite, Richard Nixon in 1960.

“I didn’t vote for him but he’s my president, and I hope he does a good job.”

The sentiment was doubtlessly expressed earlier, but there is something especially appropriate about hearing it, now, in Wayne’s voice: The crisp matter-of-fact acknowledgment that we have survived, even though for nearly two centuries now, our Commander-in-Chief has also served, simultaneously, as the head of one political party and often the scourge of all others.

We as citizens must, at some point, ignore a president’s partisanship. Not that we may prosper as a nation, not that we may achieve, not that we may lead the world—but merely that we may function.

But just as essential to the seventeen words of John Wayne, is an implicit trust—a sacred trust: That the president for whom so many did not vote, can in turn suspend his political self long enough, and for matters imperative enough, to conduct himself solely for the benefit of the entire Republic.

Our generation’s willingness to state “we didn’t vote for him, but he’s our president, and we hope he does a good job,” was tested in the crucible of history, and earlier than most.

And in circumstances more tragic and threatening. And we did that with which history tasked us.

We enveloped our President in 2001.And those who did not believe he should have been elected—indeed those who did not believe he had been elected—willingly lowered their voices and assented to the sacred oath of non-partisanship.

And George W. Bush took our assent, and re-configured it, and honed it, and shaped it to a razor-sharp point and stabbed this nation in the back with it.

Were there any remaining lingering doubt otherwise, or any remaining lingering hope, it ended yesterday when Mr. Bush commuted the prison sentence of one of his own staffers.

Did so even before the appeals process was complete; did so without as much as a courtesy consultation with the Department of Justice; did so despite what James Madison—at the Constitutional Convention—said about impeaching any president who pardoned or sheltered those who had committed crimes “advised by” that president; did so without the slightest concern that even the most detached of citizens must look at the chain of events and wonder: To what degree was Mr. Libby told: break the law however you wish—the President will keep you out of prison?

In that moment, Mr. Bush, you broke that fundamental com-pact between yourself and the majority of this nation’s citizens—the ones who did not cast votes for you. In that moment, Mr. Bush, you ceased to be the President of the United States. In that moment, Mr. Bush, you became merely the President of a rabid and irresponsible corner of the Republican Party. And this is too important a time, Sir, to have a commander-in-chief who puts party over nation.

This has been, of course, the gathering legacy of this Administration. Few of its decisions have escaped the stain of politics. The extraordinary Karl Rove has spoken of “a permanent Republican majority,” as if such a thing—or a permanent Democratic majority—is not antithetical to that upon which rests: our country, our history, our revolution, our freedoms.

Yet our Democracy has survived shrewder men than Karl Rove. And it has survived the frequent stain of politics upon the fabric of government. But this administration, with ever-increasing insistence and almost theocratic zealotry, has turned that stain into a massive oil spill.

The protection of the environment is turned over to those of one political party, who will financially benefit from the rape of the environment. The protections of the Constitution are turned over to those of one political party, who believe those protections unnecessary and extravagant and quaint.

The enforcement of the laws is turned over to those of one political party, who will swear beforehand that they will not enforce those laws. The choice between war and peace is turned over to those of one political party, who stand to gain vast wealth by ensuring that there is never peace, but only war.

And now, when just one cooked book gets corrected by an honest auditor, when just one trampling of the inherent and inviolable fairness of government is rejected by an impartial judge, when just one wild-eyed partisan is stopped by the figure of blind justice, this President decides that he, and not the law, must prevail.

I accuse you, Mr. Bush, of lying this country into war.

I accuse you of fabricating in the minds of your own people, a false implied link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11.

I accuse you of firing the generals who told you that the plans for Iraq were disastrously insufficient.

I accuse you of causing in Iraq the needless deaths of 3,586 of our brothers and sons, and sisters and daughters, and friends and neighbors.

I accuse you of subverting the Constitution, not in some misguided but sincerely-motivated struggle to combat terrorists, but to stifle dissent.

I accuse you of fomenting fear among your own people, of creating the very terror you claim to have fought.

I accuse you of exploiting that unreasoning fear, the natural fear of your own people who just want to live their lives in peace, as a political tool to slander your critics and libel your opponents.

I accuse you of handing part of this Republic over to a Vice President who is without conscience, and letting him run roughshod over it.

And I accuse you now, Mr. Bush, of giving, through that Vice President, carte blanche to Mr. Libby, to help defame Ambassador Joseph Wilson by any means necessary, to lie to Grand Juries and Special Counsel and before a court, in order to protect the mechanisms and particulars of that defamation, with your guarantee that Libby would never see prison, and, in so doing, as Ambassador Wilson himself phrased it here last night, of becoming an accessory to the obstruction of justice.

When President Nixon ordered the firing of the Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox during the infamous “Saturday Night Massacre” on October 20th, 1973, Cox initially responded tersely, and ominously.

“Whether ours shall be a government of laws and not of men, is now for Congress, and ultimately, the American people.”

President Nixon did not understand how he had crystallized the issue of Watergate for the American people.

It had been about the obscure meaning behind an attempt to break in to a rival party’s headquarters; and the labyrinthine effort to cover-up that break-in and the related crimes.

And in one night, Nixon transformed it.

Watergate—instantaneously—became a simpler issue: a President overruling the inexorable march of the law of insisting—in a way that resonated viscerally with millions who had not previously understood - that he was the law.

Not the Constitution. Not the Congress. Not the Courts. Just him.

Just - Mr. Bush - as you did, yesterday.

The twists and turns of Plame-Gate, of your precise and intricate lies that sent us into this bottomless pit of Iraq; your lies upon the lies to discredit Joe Wilson; your lies upon the lies upon the lies to throw the sand at the “referee” of Prosecutor Fitzgerald’s analogy. These are complex and often painful to follow, and too much, perhaps, for the average citizen.

But when other citizens render a verdict against your man, Mr. Bush—and then you spit in the faces of those jurors and that judge and the judges who were yet to hear the appeal—the average citizen understands that, Sir.

It’s the fixed ballgame and the rigged casino and the pre-arranged lottery all rolled into one—and it stinks. And they know it.

Nixon’s mistake, the last and most fatal of them, the firing of Archibald Cox, was enough to cost him the presidency. And in the end, even Richard Nixon could say he could not put this nation through an impeachment.

It was far too late for it to matter then, but as the decades unfold, that single final gesture of non-partisanship, of acknowledged responsibility not to self, not to party, not to “base,” but to country, echoes loudly into history. Even Richard Nixon knew it was time to resign

Would that you could say that, Mr. Bush. And that you could say it for Mr. Cheney. You both crossed the Rubicon yesterday. Which one of you chose the route, no longer matters. Which is the ventriloquist, and which the dummy, is irrelevant.

But that you have twisted the machinery of government into nothing more than a tawdry machine of politics, is the only fact that remains relevant.

It is nearly July 4th, Mr. Bush, the commemoration of the moment we Americans decided that rather than live under a King who made up the laws, or erased them, or ignored them—or commuted the sentences of those rightly convicted under them—we would force our independence, and regain our sacred freedoms.

We of this time—and our leaders in Congress, of both parties—must now live up to those standards which echo through our history: Pressure, negotiate, impeach—get you, Mr. Bush, and Mr. Cheney, two men who are now perilous to our Democracy, away from its helm.

For you, Mr. Bush, and for Mr. Cheney, there is a lesser task. You need merely achieve a very low threshold indeed. Display just that iota of patriotism which Richard Nixon showed, on August 9th, 1974.

Resign.

And give us someone—anyone—about whom all of us might yet be able to quote John Wayne, and say, “I didn’t vote for him, but he’s my president, and I hope he does a good job.”


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[FORD]

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[Redballjets88]

“I didn’t vote for him but he’s my president, and I hope he does a good job.”

i fuckin love John Wayne

[TongueNGroove]

Why is he so pissed that the President did what he is legally allowed to do?

A better question is, why is he not pissed at the person who actually caused all this trouble, Robert Novak Of the Chicago sun Times?

Why? Cause he is a blind liberal. If gore had been elected and did the same thing he would be defending him. People like this guy make me sick. He says the president should not be partisan, meanwhile he is blindly Communist.


Just more liberal hooplah about nothing.

[FORD]

Originally posted by TongueNChimpy'sAss

A better question is, why is he not pissed at the person who actually caused all this trouble, Robert Novak Of the Chicago sun Times?

Why? Cause he is a blind liberal. If gore had been elected and did the same thing he would be defending him. People like this guy make me sick. He says the president should not be partisan, meanwhile he is blindly Communist.



Robert Novak is a treasonous piece of shit as well, but he didn't pull that information out of his ass. Scooter is the one who told him.

Gore WAS elected, but if his office had not been STOLEN, there would be no war, there would be no Cheney or Libby in the White House, and there would have been NO treason committed. Of course, you refuse to accept that because you are blindly fascist.

[Nitro Express]

I've seen it all with this administration. I'm waiting for George W. Bush to say,"I'm not part of the Executive Branch so I'm not obligated to undergo and investigation."

[Sgt Schultz]

Some questions and answers for
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/265263130_5b6f71755a_o.jpg
Queef Überdumb

1. Has the jury's verdict been overturned/changed.
Answer - No

2. Has the jury's prison sentence been overturned/changed.
Answer - No (the jury didn't impose the prison sentence).

3. Did the 42nd President of the U.S. pardon or commute any sentences?
Answer - Yes, 185.
Some of those pardons/commutations;
+ On August 11 1999, sentences commuted for of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States convicted for conspiracies to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as for firearms and explosives violations. The FALN is responsible for 6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials. The commutation was opposed by the U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons and criticized by many including former victims of FALN terrorist activities, the Fraternal Order of Police, members of Congress, and Hillary Clinton in her campaign for Senator. Congress condemned the action, with a vote of 95-2 in the Senate and 311-41 in the House.

4. This is for FORD - have presidents ever pardoned people who were ACTUALLY involved in treason?
-Yes - "George Washington pardoned the men who had taken part in the Whiskey Rebellion. Thomas Jefferson pardoned those convicted under the Alien and Sedition Acts. Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson granted amnesty to Confederate soldiers. Warren G. Harding pardoned prisoners held under World War I espionage laws. Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter pardoned Vietnam draft dodgers. "
link (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2RjNDYzNGIwNDNiOGUwOTMyODZhZDJmYzZhNDhkMGU=)

And finally, Queef goes on about how NICE he and his ilk have been to Bush and then Bush goes and stabs them in the back. Please.

[Matt White]

Olbermann is the funniest Cat on the tube.....


and dead on the money

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
Why is he so pissed that the President did what he is legally allowed to do?

Just more liberal hooplah about nothing.

Hey tongenass, how about you go fuck yourself you ignorant hick?

That article is dead on. If you don't understand the problem with libby it's because you're immoral or ignorant. Or both.

Liberal hooplah about nothing? It must be nice being completely blind to what's going on.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
Some questions and answers for
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/265263130_5b6f71755a_o.jpg
Queef Überdumb

1. Has the jury's verdict been overturned/changed.
Answer - No

2. Has the jury's prison sentence been overturned/changed.
Answer - No (the jury didn't impose the prison sentence).

3. Did the 42nd President of the U.S. pardon or commute any sentences?
Answer - Yes, 185.
Some of those pardons/commutations;
+ On August 11 1999, sentences commuted for of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States convicted for conspiracies to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as for firearms and explosives violations. The FALN is responsible for 6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials. The commutation was opposed by the U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons and criticized by many including former victims of FALN terrorist activities, the Fraternal Order of Police, members of Congress, and Hillary Clinton in her campaign for Senator. Congress condemned the action, with a vote of 95-2 in the Senate and 311-41 in the House.

4. This is for FORD - have presidents ever pardoned people who were ACTUALLY involved in treason?
-Yes - "George Washington pardoned the men who had taken part in the Whiskey Rebellion. Thomas Jefferson pardoned those convicted under the Alien and Sedition Acts. Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson granted amnesty to Confederate soldiers. Warren G. Harding pardoned prisoners held under World War I espionage laws. Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter pardoned Vietnam draft dodgers. "
link (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2RjNDYzNGIwNDNiOGUwOTMyODZhZDJmYzZhNDhkMGU=)

And finally, Queef goes on about how NICE he and his ilk have been to Bush and then Bush goes and stabs them in the back. Please.

i love when someone posts something like this because then you dont see ford in the thread ever again

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
1. Has the jury's verdict been overturned/changed.
Answer - No

2. Has the jury's prison sentence been overturned/changed.
Answer - No (the jury didn't impose the prison sentence).

3. Did the 42nd President of the U.S. pardon or commute any sentences?
Answer - Yes, 185.

Ha ha! I love it when you guys have to reference Clinton to justify the actions of your Führer.

I am sure that the administration appreciates all of the time you spend in defence of this legal maneuvering. After all, this treason trail leads right the desk of of the Vice-President of the United States.

http://bottleofblog.typepad.com/bottleofblog/images/yutz.jpg

The National Review? Maikin & Lowry? Shit, no wonder you are such a confused little fascist.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by FORD
Robert Novak is a treasonous piece of shit as well, but he didn't pull that information out of his ass. Scooter is the one who told him.



armitage told novak.

[TongueNGroove]

Yah Fraud, Armitage told Novak...get your facts straight before going on an impeachment tangent.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove


Why? Cause he is a blind liberal.

That means so much coming from a blind neocon. :rolleyes:

[stringfelowhawk]

I don't normally respond when I come across bickering in a thread no matter which side I silently agree with but this one just pisses me off because of the obvious lack of intelligent debating skills on behalf of this criminal administration. I'm gonna state my 2 pennies and move on so attacking me after the fact will not warrant another response. I just feel I need to set the record straight on a few things while handing you your ass. This whole "but Clinton" argument is about to fucking backfire so this is your only warning to duck and cover. I'm sure the same people who condone this administration are the same people who will attack me because of my "debating skills" comment above by claiming my opinion isn't so intelligent since I sprinkle a little profanity throughout and may mispell a word or miss a comma. So I'll say in advance, "way to change the subject now move on to the attempt to continue to apologize for these assholes without mentioning Bubba."

There are truly some stupid fucking people that defend these criminals. You have no argument with who leaked Plame's identity. That has never been the reason he was convicted therefore it is not the reason he was granted clemency. He was convicted of, (say it with me) PERJURY! You know, lying under oath? That used to be a crime before this theo-neo-fratboy criminal empire moved to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Well, actually it still is a crime for everyone that isn't a republican with very close ties to the throne. Don't you people realize this was more than just a presidents "right"? Don't you understand by this action he has essentially shielded himself and Cheney from any investigation into what role they played in leak. They have obstructed justice and have made sure that Libby can not testify about their role. After all the laws they have broken, do you still believe them to be honest? Scandal after scandal it has become obvious they do not have the best interests of the country in mind. They have yet to be held accountable for any of their actions and continue to ignore the laws of the land and the very document that our government was founded on. Those very laws and that document is the reason our country has prosperred and became what it was until the 2000 election.
I am so fucking disgusted with the whole Clinton invocation its literally giving me a migraine. You act as if anything and in fact everything he did while in office compares equally, yet it does not. There are scales with which to measure the differences but the most important one is the body count. If you want to argue Bush is justified because Clinton did something too then your entire point of view is weightless. I don't care much for him and "Black Hawk Down" is the biggest reason. Not because of the reason we were involved. His intentions were honorable and I have no qualm with the operation planning or execution. I lost a lot of respect for him because those Rangers and Green Berets lost their lives for the truly noble purpose of helping the people of Somalia get food and supplies yet pulled us out after that episode. You will no doubt try and twist that statement into hypocricy because of what's happening in Iraq now but you would be a fool nonetheless. We did not invade Somalia for its abundance of oil and revenge on its dictator. We in fact did not invade Somalia at all. Clinton did not start a war for profit under the false pretense of a threat to our national security by a rogue nation. He did not manipulate intel in order to build support for the invasion he knowingly and willingly knew was NOT connected to September 11th. That didn't stop him from claiming otherwise though. Even though it has now unanimously been proven to be false yet the Vice President still echoes that falsehood as fact. A war profiteer whose previous employer is the biggest corporation operating in Iraq after being given "no bid" contracts for work they have not done, for work they have overcharged, work they have performed so poorly that most has to be re-done all the while no matter how many times they are caught red handed cheating us taxpayers and the government they continue to get those same contracts. Anyone with the most basic of math skills can testify to the benefits of fucking up and paying a $50,000 fine while balancing it against a contract worth $7 billion. Even Spock would agree with that logic.
So, since you people like to invoke Clinton every time Bush and Cheney are exposed as a faux-patriots and criminals I'll take this second to remind you that after everything thing he did, was accused of, admitted to, and convicted of in the end Clinton was Impeached.
Therefore, he was held accountable for his actions which means every time you "but-Clinton" all you do is sink your own point of view and enforce ours because he may have been impeached for getting a blowjob and convicted of perjury but he was still held accountable. You can not say that about your benefactors. That is an enormous difference when you take into account the ever more serious and treasonous crimes this administration has committed.

Now post your addresses so I can overnight your ass back to you.

Arizona high school teacher Bill Greenberg -- visiting the White House with his students -- said: "I'm busy teaching my students all about the Constitution (and) wondering if we'll ever get anybody here who actually reads it."

[DEMON CUNT]

Don't forget that Clinton was acquitted by the Senate.

[matt19]

Originally posted by jhale667
That means so much coming from a blind neocon. :rolleyes:

LMMFAO!!!! EXACTLY!!

[ODShowtime]

People like tonguenass just disgust me. Go drink some gasoline you fuckface.

Schultz, you're smart enough to know better.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
People like tonguenass just disgust me. Go drink some gasoline you fuckface.

Schultz, you're smart enough to know better.

OD, you're a little mean spirited today. What gives?

:gulp:

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by jhale667
That means so much coming from a blind neocon. :rolleyes:

A neo-conservative is a "liberal who was mugged by reality" - Irving Kristol

You far left lunatics bandy about the term "neo-con" and don't even know what it means. It cracks me up! :D

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by stringfelowhawk
There are truly some stupid fucking people that defend these criminals. You have no argument with who leaked Plame's identity. That has never been the reason he was convicted therefore it is not the reason he was granted clemency. He was convicted of, (say it with me) PERJURY! You know, lying under oath?

...Don't you people realize this was more than just a presidents "right"? Don't you understand by this action he has essentially shielded himself and Cheney from any investigation into what role they played in leak.


as one of the ones pointing out who made the leak, i think it IS vitally important in the debate.

libby was convicted of a crime. but a common crime that many, many, many people in court cases commit. it doesn't justify his actions. but it also, in and of itself, isn't much different than what goes on in court cases and depositions every day in every city.

and so, validly under article II of the constitution, bush commuted libby's sentence.

at this point, it doesn't really matter what libby knew, or whom he may have been protecting; it's irrelevant. the facts are he was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice, received 30 months in jail and a $250,000 fine, and had the jail time commuted.

politcally, did bush do anything wrong? yes, i definitely think so. the moderates and independents won't be clammoring for impeachment over this, but it is likely to reinforce their already worsening opinion of republicans in general. and while that won't hurt bush in 2008, it certainly won't help the average republican candidate.

legallly did bush do anything wrong? and this is important: no; not with the commuting. how about otherwise? doesn't matter in the discussion here. whether or not bush's OTHER actions have been illegal is as relevant to the commuting of libby's sentence as are comparisons to clinton.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
A neo-conservative is a "liberal who was mugged by reality" - Irving Kristol

You far left lunatics bandy about the term "neo-con" and don't even know what it means. It cracks me up!

The real funny here is watching you pretend that you understand any of these discussions.

"If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested."

[Steve Savicki]

Resigning at this point could be just as good as impeachment... both would be out of office early!

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
OD, you're a little mean spirited today. What gives?

:gulp:

Yeah, I know. It just pisses me off that people still act the way you did 2 years ago. I almost included you in this rant, but I decided not to.

Where have you been? Following the Rush tour?

[FORD]

Originally posted by ODShowtime


Where have you been? Following the Rush tour?

You mean Limbaugh, or the guys from Toronto? ;)

[matt19]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
A neo-conservative is a "liberal who was mugged by reality" - Irving Kristol

You far left lunatics bandy about the term "neo-con" and don't even know what it means. It cracks me up! :D

Kinda like you blindly run around calling everyone a liberal? :rolleyes:

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by stringfelowhawk
I don't normally respond when I come across bickering in a thread no matter which side I silently agree with but this one just pisses me off because of the obvious lack of intelligent debating skills on behalf of this criminal administration. I'm gonna state my 2 pennies and move on so attacking me after the fact will not warrant another response. I just feel I need to set the record straight on a few things while handing you your ass. This whole "but Clinton" argument is about to fucking backfire so this is your only warning to duck and cover. I'm sure the same people who condone this administration are the same people who will attack me because of my "debating skills" comment above by claiming my opinion isn't so intelligent since I sprinkle a little profanity throughout and may mispell a word or miss a comma. So I'll say in advance, "way to change the subject now move on to the attempt to continue to apologize for these assholes without mentioning Bubba."

There are truly some stupid fucking people that defend these criminals. You have no argument with who leaked Plame's identity. That has never been the reason he was convicted therefore it is not the reason he was granted clemency. He was convicted of, (say it with me) PERJURY! You know, lying under oath? That used to be a crime before this theo-neo-fratboy criminal empire moved to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Well, actually it still is a crime for everyone that isn't a republican with very close ties to the throne. Don't you people realize this was more than just a presidents "right"? Don't you understand by this action he has essentially shielded himself and Cheney from any investigation into what role they played in leak. They have obstructed justice and have made sure that Libby can not testify about their role. After all the laws they have broken, do you still believe them to be honest? Scandal after scandal it has become obvious they do not have the best interests of the country in mind. They have yet to be held accountable for any of their actions and continue to ignore the laws of the land and the very document that our government was founded on. Those very laws and that document is the reason our country has prosperred and became what it was until the 2000 election.
I am so fucking disgusted with the whole Clinton invocation its literally giving me a migraine. You act as if anything and in fact everything he did while in office compares equally, yet it does not. There are scales with which to measure the differences but the most important one is the body count. If you want to argue Bush is justified because Clinton did something too then your entire point of view is weightless. I don't care much for him and "Black Hawk Down" is the biggest reason. Not because of the reason we were involved. His intentions were honorable and I have no qualm with the operation planning or execution. I lost a lot of respect for him because those Rangers and Green Berets lost their lives for the truly noble purpose of helping the people of Somalia get food and supplies yet pulled us out after that episode. You will no doubt try and twist that statement into hypocricy because of what's happening in Iraq now but you would be a fool nonetheless. We did not invade Somalia for its abundance of oil and revenge on its dictator. We in fact did not invade Somalia at all. Clinton did not start a war for profit under the false pretense of a threat to our national security by a rogue nation. He did not manipulate intel in order to build support for the invasion he knowingly and willingly knew was NOT connected to September 11th. That didn't stop him from claiming otherwise though. Even though it has now unanimously been proven to be false yet the Vice President still echoes that falsehood as fact. A war profiteer whose previous employer is the biggest corporation operating in Iraq after being given "no bid" contracts for work they have not done, for work they have overcharged, work they have performed so poorly that most has to be re-done all the while no matter how many times they are caught red handed cheating us taxpayers and the government they continue to get those same contracts. Anyone with the most basic of math skills can testify to the benefits of fucking up and paying a $50,000 fine while balancing it against a contract worth $7 billion. Even Spock would agree with that logic.
So, since you people like to invoke Clinton every time Bush and Cheney are exposed as a faux-patriots and criminals I'll take this second to remind you that after everything thing he did, was accused of, admitted to, and convicted of in the end Clinton was Impeached.
Therefore, he was held accountable for his actions which means every time you "but-Clinton" all you do is sink your own point of view and enforce ours because he may have been impeached for getting a blowjob and convicted of perjury but he was still held accountable. You can not say that about your benefactors. That is an enormous difference when you take into account the ever more serious and treasonous crimes this administration has committed.

Now post your addresses so I can overnight your ass back to you.

Arizona high school teacher Bill Greenberg -- visiting the White House with his students -- said: "I'm busy teaching my students all about the Constitution (and) wondering if we'll ever get anybody here who actually reads it."

ONE TRILLION motherfucking stars for you. Best post on this website in history. Even better than Sesh's.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
A neo-conservative is a "liberal who was mugged by reality" - Irving Kristol

You far left lunatics bandy about the term "neo-con" and don't even know what it means. It cracks me up! :D

I'm a far left lunatic now? What does that make you, a far right retard? :D

[jhale667]

And oh yeah...anyone that still tries to defend W and Co. or try the "But Clinton" shit after Stringfellow's post should be shot. :D Just sayin'.

[matt19]

Originally posted by jhale667
I'm a far left lunatic now? What does that make you, a far right retard? :D

How far right do you have to be a retard? I thought you only had to be right to be a retard.

[Nickdfresh]

It's funny now that even that the spokesmen, Tony "Squealor" Snow and his little minion, I like to call him Josef Goebbels, are now whipping out the pathetic "but but but but CLINTON!!!!" card...

It's almost hysterical as to what a law-mocking clusterfuck this frAudministration has become...

[ODShowtime]

Good job cocksmokers. Now the White House itself is trying the "but clinton" routine. We've finally brought the national political debate down to warham and BBB's level. Congrats.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070706/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_libby&printer=1;_ylt=As2Ms1Rzk9xOYkcW11ihCVsGw_IE



White House criticizes Clintons on Libby

By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House CorrespondentFri Jul 6, 12:38 AM ET

The White House on Thursday made fun of former President Clinton and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, for criticizing President Bush's decision to erase the prison sentence of former aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

"I don't know what Arkansan is for chutzpah, but this is a gigantic case of it," presidential spokesman Tony Snow said.

In his commutation decision, Bush left a $250,000 fine. Libby paid the fine on Thursday.

Libby's friends and supporters have raised more than $5 million to cover legal fees and were continuing to raise money but Libby paid the fine himself, according to someone close to the fund who spoke on condition of anonymity because details of the account are private. The cashiers check filed with the court was issued in Libby's name.

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, has scheduled hearings Wednesday on Bush's commutation of Libby's 2 1/2-year sentence.

"Well, fine, knock himself out," Snow said of Conyers. "I mean, perfectly happy. And while he's at it, why doesn't he look at January 20th, 2001?"

In the closing hours of his presidency, Clinton pardoned 140 people, including fugitive financier Marc Rich.

Conyers said the hearings would include pardons made by Clinton, former President Bush and possibly other past presidents. "We won't need to review each and every one of them, but the whole idea is to examine to what use this part of our criminal law is being put and whether it's being used adequately or are their other changes necessary," Conyers told Fox News Radio.

President Clinton tried to draw a distinction between the pardons he granted and Bush's decision to commute Libby's 30-month sentence in the CIA leak case.

"I think there are guidelines for what happens when somebody is convicted," Clinton told a radio interviewer Tuesday. "You've got to understand, this is consistent with their philosophy; they believe that they should be able to do what they want to do, and that the law is a minor obstacle."

Hillary Clinton, seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, said the Libby decision "was clearly an effort to protect the White House. ... There isn't any doubt now, what we know is that Libby was carrying out the implicit or explicit wishes of the vice president, or maybe the president as well, in the further effort to stifle dissent."

Former Vice President Al Gore said he found the Bush decision "disappointing" and said he did not think it was comparable to Clinton's pardons.

"It's different because in this case the person involved is charged with activities that involved knowledge of what his superiors in the White House did," Gore said on NBC's "Today" show Thursday.

In a later interview, Gore criticized Libby's former boss, Vice President Dick Cheney. "I think that Vice President Cheney has done a lot of harm to our country. I really do. He was the strongest advocate of scrapping the U.S. participation in the efforts to solve the climate crisis," Gore said on CNN's "Larry King Live."

Scott Stanzel, a White House deputy press secretary, said that, "When you think about the previous administration and the 11th-hour, fire-sale pardons ... it's really startling that they have the gall to criticize what we believe is a very considered, a very deliberate approach to a very unique case."

Snow also tried to clear up confusion about Libby's probation. While commuting Libby's sentence in terms of prison time, Bush left in place his two years of supervised release. But supervised release — a form of probation — is only available to people who have served prison time. Without prison, it's unclear what happens next.

Snow said the White House view was this: "You treat it as if he has already served the 30 months, and probation kicks in. Obviously, the sentencing judge will figure out precisely how that works."

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton, earlier this week, said the law "does not appear to contemplate a situation in which a defendant may be placed under supervised release without first completing a term of incarceration."

He gave Libby's attorneys and Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald until Monday to respond.

Isn't obstruction of justice just a fuckin laugh riot? How about unnecessary war for profit? A real side-splitter! :D

[FORD]

The pukes can't use the Marc Rich pardon as a defense because Marc Rich's lawyer was.....



......wait for it.......





....SCOOTER FUCKING LIBBY!

[Nickdfresh]

Get out!:D

Holy shit!

[studly hungwell]

Originally posted by stringfelowhawk
I don't normally respond when I come across bickering in a thread no matter which side I silently agree with but this one just pisses me off because of the obvious lack of intelligent debating skills on behalf of this criminal administration. I'm gonna state my 2 pennies and move on so attacking me after the fact will not warrant another response. I just feel I need to set the record straight on a few things while handing you your ass. This whole "but Clinton" argument is about to fucking backfire so this is your only warning to duck and cover. I'm sure the same people who condone this administration are the same people who will attack me because of my "debating skills" comment above by claiming my opinion isn't so intelligent since I sprinkle a little profanity throughout and may mispell a word or miss a comma. So I'll say in advance, "way to change the subject now move on to the attempt to continue to apologize for these assholes without mentioning Bubba."

There are truly some stupid fucking people that defend these criminals. You have no argument with who leaked Plame's identity. That has never been the reason he was convicted therefore it is not the reason he was granted clemency. He was convicted of, (say it with me) PERJURY! You know, lying under oath? That used to be a crime before this theo-neo-fratboy criminal empire moved to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Well, actually it still is a crime for everyone that isn't a republican with very close ties to the throne. Don't you people realize this was more than just a presidents "right"? Don't you understand by this action he has essentially shielded himself and Cheney from any investigation into what role they played in leak. They have obstructed justice and have made sure that Libby can not testify about their role. After all the laws they have broken, do you still believe them to be honest? Scandal after scandal it has become obvious they do not have the best interests of the country in mind. They have yet to be held accountable for any of their actions and continue to ignore the laws of the land and the very document that our government was founded on. Those very laws and that document is the reason our country has prosperred and became what it was until the 2000 election.
I am so fucking disgusted with the whole Clinton invocation its literally giving me a migraine. You act as if anything and in fact everything he did while in office compares equally, yet it does not. There are scales with which to measure the differences but the most important one is the body count. If you want to argue Bush is justified because Clinton did something too then your entire point of view is weightless. I don't care much for him and "Black Hawk Down" is the biggest reason. Not because of the reason we were involved. His intentions were honorable and I have no qualm with the operation planning or execution. I lost a lot of respect for him because those Rangers and Green Berets lost their lives for the truly noble purpose of helping the people of Somalia get food and supplies yet pulled us out after that episode. You will no doubt try and twist that statement into hypocricy because of what's happening in Iraq now but you would be a fool nonetheless. We did not invade Somalia for its abundance of oil and revenge on its dictator. We in fact did not invade Somalia at all. Clinton did not start a war for profit under the false pretense of a threat to our national security by a rogue nation. He did not manipulate intel in order to build support for the invasion he knowingly and willingly knew was NOT connected to September 11th. That didn't stop him from claiming otherwise though. Even though it has now unanimously been proven to be false yet the Vice President still echoes that falsehood as fact. A war profiteer whose previous employer is the biggest corporation operating in Iraq after being given "no bid" contracts for work they have not done, for work they have overcharged, work they have performed so poorly that most has to be re-done all the while no matter how many times they are caught red handed cheating us taxpayers and the government they continue to get those same contracts. Anyone with the most basic of math skills can testify to the benefits of fucking up and paying a $50,000 fine while balancing it against a contract worth $7 billion. Even Spock would agree with that logic.
So, since you people like to invoke Clinton every time Bush and Cheney are exposed as a faux-patriots and criminals I'll take this second to remind you that after everything thing he did, was accused of, admitted to, and convicted of in the end Clinton was Impeached.
Therefore, he was held accountable for his actions which means every time you "but-Clinton" all you do is sink your own point of view and enforce ours because he may have been impeached for getting a blowjob and convicted of perjury but he was still held accountable. You can not say that about your benefactors. That is an enormous difference when you take into account the ever more serious and treasonous crimes this administration has committed.

Now post your addresses so I can overnight your ass back to you.

Arizona high school teacher Bill Greenberg -- visiting the White House with his students -- said: "I'm busy teaching my students all about the Constitution (and) wondering if we'll ever get anybody here who actually reads it."

It tickles me when a "life virgin" gets her cherry popped. There is how its written and how it is.....how it should be and how it is....see shit for how it is. Ideas of fairness should be abandoned at your high school graduation ceremony. Power corrupts....Dem or Pub...whether they get caught or not, Men who hold power are evil. Any takers?

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by FORD
The pukes can't use the Marc Rich pardon as a defense because Marc Rich's lawyer was.....



......wait for it.......





....SCOOTER FUCKING LIBBY!

Please tell me you're joking. Please.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by FORD
SCOOTER FUCKING LIBBY!

Yeah, and wasn't libby the one who wrote the novel with all the pedophilia/beastiality? Or was that someone else?

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
Yeah, and wasn't libby the one who wrote the novel with all the pedophilia/beastiality? Or was that someone else?

Was that not Lynne Cheney? Seriously. I think it was.

[ODShowtime]

yeah it was him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_%28book%29



The Apprentice (book)
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The Apprentice
Author Lewis Libby
Country United States
Language English
Genre(s) Thriller
Publisher Graywolf Press; St. Martin's Thomas Dunne Books; St. Martin's Griffin
Publication date August 1996 (Graywolf); rpt. February 2002 (Thomas Dunne Books); December 2005 (Griffin)
Media type Print (Hardback; Trade paperback; Paperback)
Pages 239 pp. and 256 pp. [various]
ISBN ISBN 1555972454 (10) and ISBN 978-1555972455 (13); ISBN 0312284535 (10) and ISBN 978-0312284534 (13)

The Apprentice is a novel by Lewis Libby, former Chief of Staff to U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, first published in hardback in 1996, reprinted in trade paperback in 2002, and reissued in mass market paperback in 2005 after Libby's indictment in the CIA leak grand jury investigation.[1] It is set in northern Japan in winter 1903, and centers on a group of travelers stranded at a remote inn due to a smallpox epidemic. It has been generally described as "a thriller ... that includes references to bestiality, pedophilia and rape."[2] It is the first and only novel that Libby has written.

Reception: Sources of criticism and praise

Although the sexual passages and references make up only a few pages of the novel, one passage in particular — combining bestiality, pedophilia, prostitution, and biastophilia in just three sentences — has received wide attention:
“

At age ten the madam put the child in a cage with a bear trained to couple with young girls so the girls would be frigid and not fall in love with their patrons. They fed her through the bars and aroused the bear with a stick when it seemed to lose interest. Groups of men paid to watch. (81)[9][3]

Another sentence in the book introduces necrophilia, as a hunter copulates with a freshly-killed deer: "The man called out to the others that the deer was still warm. He asked if they should fuck the deer" (127).

shit's fucked up

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Please tell me you're joking. Please.

Nope. It gets better.

CONTRA COSTA TIMES 07/04/2007:

Before entering government, Libby was a private attorney who represented billionaire international commodities trader Marc Rich.

Rich was indicted in 1983 by then-U.S. Attorney Rudy Giuliani on charges of tax evasion and illegal dealing with Iran during the American hostage crisis.

Rich fled to Switzerland. He also occupied a spot on the FBI's Most Wanted List for many years.

Giuliani, former mayor of New York, is now a leading Republican presidential candidate. He endorsed Bush's decision to spare Libby jail time even though he had tried to put Libby's client behind bars.

Link (http://www.contracostatimes.com/politics/ci_6296811?nclick_check=1)

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Was that not Lynne Cheney? Seriously. I think it was.

She wrote about a lesbian-ish relationship...

[Baby's On Fire]

That's even better. As long as the chicks were hot. But of course with my luck they'd look like her daughter. A Bull-Dyke.

[WACF]

Originally posted by FORD
The pukes can't use the Marc Rich pardon as a defense because Marc Rich's lawyer was.....



......wait for it.......





....SCOOTER FUCKING LIBBY!

Amazing....

[stringfelowhawk]

It is a rare occasion when someone can push one of my buttons that causes me to respond. When I do respond I don't give a shit about being politically correct.
I didn't read my post before submitting it. Now that I've read it and realized how confrontational it is I fully expected to be tiptoeing through a mine field of verbal attacks.
I'm all for a healthy debate but when the only response of the opposing point of view comes from the assembly line of Republican talking points it becomes clear those that read that script care less about the real issues and more about defending their party. I guess that should suprise me but then this administration has put party above country from the start so maybe I should have seen that coming.

When I first heard Libby was Rich's lawyer I honestly thought it was just another awful Hollywood screenplay. I was floored with it turned out to be true. It would seem this administrations hypocricy truly has no bounds.

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by FORD
The pukes can't use the Marc Rich pardon as a defense because Marc Rich's lawyer was.....



......wait for it.......





....SCOOTER FUCKING LIBBY!


Yes they can. Clinton still inked the pardon, regardless of who the lawyer for the defence was. And all that really indicates - Clinton giving the time of day to Libby and going with his requests - to me is what a li'l fraternity party Washington really is.

As for the "But Clinton" bit even from the White House now, isn't it obvious what that's about? Chipping away at hillary's campaign before she's even the party nominee...much like the "go eat your sushi and drive your Volvo" anti-Dean ads back in '04.