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Hardrock69
07-12-2007, 09:46 AM
By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer Tue Jul 10, 5:32 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Senate Democrats moved Tuesday to cut off funding for Vice President Dick Cheney's office in a continuing battle over whether he must comply with national security disclosure rules.

A Senate appropriations panel chaired by Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., refused to fund $4.8 million in the vice president's budget until Cheney's office complies with parts of an executive order governing its handling of classified information.

At issue is a requirement that executive branch offices provide data on how much material they classify and declassify. That information is to be provided to the Information Security Oversight Office at The National Archives.

Cheney's office, with backing from the White House, argues that the offices of the president and vice president are exempt from the order because they are not executive branch "agencies."

The funding cut came as the appropriations panel approved 5-4 along party lines a measure funding White House operations, the Treasury Department and many smaller agencies.

Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, said Cheney's office was flouting requirements that it comply with the reporting requirements on classified information.

"Neither Mr. Cheney or his staff is above the law or the Constitution," Durbin said. "For the vice president to believe that he has no responsibility to meet this requirement of the law is a dereliction of duty."

The tempest originally attracted widespread media attention after Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., charged that Cheney's office's had originally argued to the Archives that it did not have to comply with the order because it was not "an entity within the executive branch."

The vice president is also the president of the Senate, able to vote to break ties and preside over the chamber, though he is not eligible to sponsor legislation or participate in debates.

Cheney's office, Waxman said, also blocked the archives from doing an onsite inspection of his office to make sure classified information was being properly protected.

Republicans on the Senate panel said Durbin was going overboard in using Congress' power of the purse to try to force Cheney to conform with the order.

Such a step, said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., would set a terrible precedent in relations between the executive and legislative branches of government, which have historically let each other set their own budgets.

"This is going to further erode any sort of working relationship back and forth," Brownback said. "This is a patently bad idea."

The House last month narrowly rejected a comparable attempt by Democrats to cut off funding for Cheney's office.

On Tuesday, two panel Democrats — moderates Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and Ben Nelson of Nebraska — registered discomfort with Durbin's move, though they backed him when Republicans forced a vote.

Brownback said the executive order does not apply to Cheney's office because it is not an agency. But Durbin insisted that Cheney's office is explicitly covered because the order applies to "any other entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070710/ap_on_go_co/democrats_cheney_2

Sgt Schultz
07-12-2007, 12:44 PM
This is pathetic and laughable - they don't have any Constitutional authority to do this, it's purely a symbolic move to keep the cash coming in from their gullible and rabid base.

FORD
07-12-2007, 12:48 PM
And Darth Cheney doesn't have any constitutional authority to declare himself a seperate branch of the government, accountable to NOBODY. But that's what he did.

Come to think of it, isn't the constitutional role of Vice President supposed to be presiding over the Senate and going to state funerals?

BigBadBrian
07-12-2007, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by FORD
And Darth Cheney doesn't have any constitutional authority to declare himself a seperate branch of the government, accountable to NOBODY. But that's what he did.



So you consider the VP, even though a member of the Executive Branch (supposedly), accountable to CONGRESS?

FORD
07-12-2007, 02:04 PM
Remember that thing called "Checks and Balances" that we used to have back before December 12, 2000?

Nickdfresh
07-12-2007, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
This is pathetic and laughable - they don't have any Constitutional authority to do this, it's purely a symbolic move to keep the cash coming in from their gullible and rabid base.

Yeah, the Bush Administration really sucks...

Steve Savicki
07-12-2007, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Come to think of it, isn't the constitutional role of Vice President supposed to be presiding over the Senate and going to state funerals?
Sounds like someone isn't doing their job.

Nitro Express
07-12-2007, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by FORD
And Darth Cheney doesn't have any constitutional authority to declare himself a seperate branch of the government, accountable to NOBODY. But that's what he did.

Come to think of it, isn't the constitutional role of Vice President supposed to be presiding over the Senate and going to state funerals?

I saw ol' Darth on Meet the Press with Tim Russert and he was so smug and out of touch. At that point I knew this administration thought their voting supporters were a bunch of idiots who would continue to vote the Republican line and Bushco could get away with whatever they wanted.

The man has probably gotten away with so much over the years without any punishment he's egoed out beyond realizing he's gone too far. The Chinese just executed a govt. dept. head for doing what Donald Rumsfeld did with Asparteme. In China, they would be putting bullets in these guys heads for treason.

Nitro Express
07-12-2007, 06:12 PM
The Vice President doesn't really do much but Article II of the US Constitution makes it very clear the vice president is elected with the president and they share a four year term TOGETHER! He's clearly part of the executive branch because the VP and President are elected as a complete unit!

The importance of the Vice President was to keep the govt. from falling into a power struggle caos if something happened to the president. Plus the guy was accepeted and elected with the president so the American people have given him a vote to possibly be president if need be.

Most vice presidents like Al Gore stayed out of presidential business and govt. business unless assigned. They mostly attend functions the president can't.

Spc. Graner
07-14-2007, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
This is pathetic and laughable - they don't have any Constitutional authority to do this, it's purely a symbolic move to keep the cash coming in from their gullible and rabid base.

Agreed. Cheney should be allowed to run unbridled in his selfless quest to spread freedom and democracy through out the world.

It is a just and righteous cause and Cheney's moral authority is absolute. Anyone who stands in his way is a freedom hater. And I hate freedom haters.

ODShowtime
07-14-2007, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
This is pathetic and laughable - they don't have any Constitutional authority to do this, it's purely a symbolic move to keep the cash coming in from their gullible and rabid base.

Please. The level of arrogance cheney's moves have shown is unheard of. Not part of the executive branch? Fuck him.


"The Oversight Committee has learned that over the objections of the National Archives, you exempted the Office of the Vice President from the presidential executive order that establishes a uniform, government-wide system for safeguarding classified national security information," Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), the Committee's chairman, wrote in a letter to Cheney. "Your decision to exempt your office from the President's order is problematic because it could place national security secrets at risk. It is also hard to understand given the history of security breaches involving officials in your office."


I've had enough of this arrogant, incompetent nonsense from the "leaders"
of this great country. Fuck cheney.

Yeah, I'm a rabid base democrat. :rolleyes:

And you're living in a fantasy land up there in cheese cuntry.