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Unchainme
07-15-2007, 10:56 PM
Can rap regain its crown?

By Steve Jones, USA TODAY
Not long ago, rap dominated album sales charts. Now, the music that has been a driving creative and commercial force in American culture is struggling to get its swagger back.

The music industry is suffering across-the-board drops in CD sales, but rap is in a steeper slide: This year, rap sales are down 33% from 2006, twice the decline for the industry overall, according to Nielsen SoundScan. Five years ago, Eminem's album The Eminem Show was atop the Billboard chart, on its way to becoming the runaway best-selling album that year, with 7.6 million copies. Since then, no rap album has sold as well.

Established rap stars no longer are sure things in sales. During the past nine months, Jay-Z, Ludacris, Snoop Dogg, Diddy and Nas released albums, but only those by Jay-Z and Ludacris have sold at least 1 million copies in the USA, and only Diddy is still on the charts.

Rap's decline can be traced to a range of factors, including marketing strategies that have de-emphasized album sales in favor of selling less-lucrative single songs and short versions of those singles as ring tones for cellphones. But more important to the industry, there are signs that many music-buying Americans — particularly the young, largely white audience that can make a difference between modest and blockbuster sales — are tiring of rappers' emphasis on "gangsta" attitudes, explicit lyrics and tales of street life and conspicuous consumption.

Within the rap industry, there's a growing debate about whether years of rampant commercialism — Snoop Dogg now endorses Pony sneakers; 50 Cent peddles grape-flavored vitamin water — have drained credibility and creativity out of a once-vibrant genre of music. And there's concern that rap, also known as hip-hop, has reached an evolutionary plateau: After more than a quarter-century on the charts, it's no longer the radical newcomer.

Rap pioneer KRS-One, who just released Hip Hop Lives with fellow legend Marley Marl, offers a blunt explanation.

"The music is garbage," he says. "What has happened over the past few years is that we have traded art for money, simple and plain, and the public is not stupid."

Chuck Creekmur, co-founder of hip-hop news website Allhiphop.com, says rap once was known for creative storytelling and clever rhymes, but now is being undermined by a lack of both.

"A lot of these albums now are looking to duplicate the success" of whatever is hot at the moment, he says. "There is a lack of variety."

An industry force no more

Whatever's causing consumers to tune out, it's clear that rap no longer dominates the music industry. In 2006, rap sold 59.1 million albums, down 21% from 2005 and 27% from 2004. Sales are trailing those for country albums (75 million) and heavy metal (61.6 million) — genres that rap formerly overshadowed.

In 2006, for the first time in five years, no rap albums were among the year's 10 biggest sellers, a list led by the soundtrack to Disney's High School Musical, which sold 3.7 million copies. Compare that with 2003, when 50 Cent's Get Rich or Die Tryin' ranked No. 1 with 6.5 million copies.

This year's top-selling albums thus far are by American Idol rocker Chris Daughtry's band and jazz chanteuse Norah Jones.

The rap industry is pinning hopes on 50 Cent's Curtis, due Sept. 4, and Kanye West's Graduation Day, expected in late August, as well as releases by Eminem and Dr. Dre that could arrive before the end of the year.

But those albums may not be enough to salvage the sales numbers for this year, and it's unclear whether 50 Cent or Eminem can match their past sales.

A genre is born

Hip-hop was born out of DJ-hosted block parties in the Bronx, N.Y., in the early 1970s and evolved with emcees "rapping" over the beats the DJs played.

The genre hit the Top 40 with the Sugar Hill Gang's Rapper's Delight in 1979.

Rap soon became, as Public Enemy's Chuck D described it, "the CNN of black culture," encompassing everything from party tales to political commentaries, especially from the view of poor and disaffected urban youths.

Rap found an audience not only in cities but in mostly white suburbs, as well.

By the 1990s, a harder-edged version of rap that glorified gang life began to dominate music and influence youth culture. Its songs and videos typically depict violence and drug dealers awash in diamonds and platinum jewelry, champagne and scantily clad women.

Rap became a multibillion-dollar-a-year global industry, influencing fashion, lifestyles and language while selling everything from SUVs to personal computers.

Rap's declining sales haven't escaped the attention of its kingpins. Declaring that hip-hop needed saving, Jay-Z ended a three-year retirement in November with his CD Kingdom Come, in which he essentially cast himself as Superman trying to save hip-hop.

A month later, Nas decried rap's lack of originality on his disc Hip HopIs Dead:

"Everybody sound the same, commercialize the game / Reminiscin' when it wasn't all business / They forgot where it started / So we all gather here for the dearly departed."

Rap may not be dead, but it's significantly weakened, in part by its own doing, music analysts say.

The industry's longtime strategy of pushing singles to sell albums has backfired in the digital age, says Felicia Palmer, president of 4Control Media and founder of the hip-hop news website SOHH.com.

Digital sales have outstripped CD sales, but not yet to a degree that compensates for the price difference between a 99-cent download and a $19.99 CD.

A just-released survey by the website found 82% of nearly 700 respondents are purchasing fewer albums than in previous years, and 67% acknowledge that they have illicitly downloaded albums rather than pay for them. One reason: 69% say they're "not inspired by many albums."

"People have gotten smart and know that (record companies) usually put out the two best singles, and the rest of the album is usually garbage," Palmer says.

Labels need to do more to help artists build their fan bases with promotional tours, which help consumers buy into the performer and not just a song, says Michael "Blue" Williams, who manages Outkast and other urban acts.

"People like hot music, but we are still not making artists who matter across the board," Williams says. "So while the labels are screaming that the sky is falling, they are trapped in their own vicious cycle of having to chase each single."

Promoting singles means getting favorable airplay, and that's more difficult now that hip-hop isn't the "only contemporary music that matters," as it was just a few years ago, says Sean Ross of Edison Media Research.

"Three years ago, you wouldn't have wanted to be a Top 40 station playing Bright Lights by (pop/rockers) Matchbox Twenty while your competitor was playing Get Low by (rapper) Lil Jon," Ross says.

"Now, Top 40 has Daughtry and Gwen Stefani, as well as a lot of quasi hip-hop from artists like Fergie and the Pussycat Dolls that, for some listeners, fill the same need as the real thing."

The real thing may no longer be real enough.

Glenn Peoples, founder and editor of music industry blog Coolfer.com, says: "A lot of people who used to listen to rap are now listening to rock. Rock is really strong right now."

'The public has made a choice'

Part of hip-hop's attraction has been the assumed authenticity of its lyrics and artists, but now, many younger listeners "believe that so much of what the mainstream (rap) industry does is orchestrated," says Bakari Kitwana, author of the books The Hip Hop Generation and Why White Kids Love Hip Hop. "I don't think they have a lot of confidence in the music the industry is producing."

For years, increasing sales of rap albums effectively muted protests about some songs' promotion of misogyny, racism and violence. Now, dwindling receipts and fading interest in rap have provided what some in the industry see as an opportunity to rethink content.

"The public has made a choice," KRS-One says. "They're saying, 'We do not want the nonsense that we see and hear on radio, and we are not putting our money there.' Rap music is being boycotted by the American public because of the images that we are putting forward."

The rising angst about rap lyrics was spotlighted this spring during the fallout over radio talk-show host Don Imus' smearing of the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus called team members "hos," then later noted in his defense that the word is commonly used in rap songs to describe women.

Soon after, hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons called a meeting of music industry executives. His Hip-Hop Summit Action Network later recommended that the rap industry voluntarily delete or bleep out offensive terms for broadcast.

Such efforts have drawn mixed reactions from rappers.

Master P, who built his multimillion-dollar No Limit Records empire on gangsta rap in the '90s, announced plans to start a new label, Take A Stand Records, with his son Romeo. He says he has been part of the problem and now wants to be part of the solution with clean, positive music.

That idea was derided by 50 Cent, who said he has no intention of cleaning up his lyrics.

"Music is a mirror, and hip-hop is a reflection of the environment we grew up in," he said at a news conference.

"If I ask you to paint a picture of the American flag and not use the color red, you're going to have a difficult time."

A new business model

Content questions aside, rap faces the same challenge that has alarmed much of the music industry: how to adapt to the digital revolution.

"What we have to do is figure out what the new music business is," says Kevin Liles, executive vice president of Warner Music Group, home to artists such as DJ Quik, Lil Scrappy and E-40.

"There was a time when an artist like a Jay-Z or DMX or 50 Cent would sell 4 million or 5 million CDs. But there's a new climate. Artists like Young Jeezy might sell 2 million albums, but 6 million ring tones."

Recent sales by rap star Mims reflect the problems facing the industry. His single This Is Why I'm Hot has done well this year, selling 634,000 downloads and 1.9 million ring tones, the 2007 leader in ring tones so far. But the album that contains This Is Why I'm Hot hasn't been so hot, selling only 231,000 copies. Music Is My Savior is No. 100 on Billboard's albums chart 11 weeks after its release.

Rap's early stars, from Grandmaster Flash to Public Enemy and LL Cool J, "touched on humor, politics, ghetto life and realities they faced," says music consultant Tom Vickers. "Rap has gradually degenerated from an art form into a ring tone. It's a hip catchphrase or a musical riff with a short shelf life. It has a novelty element that captures the listener's imagination, but it's not a song. It won't build a career. That's why we're seeing this backlash."

To rebound, he says, "rap has to look at the bigger issues confronting society. There's only so much bling the public can take."

The upside for rap, Kitwana says, is that so much of it "remains off the mainstream radar. You never know when hip-hop is going to reinvent itself, or when something operating out on the fringe is going to emerge and become the next new thing."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2007-06-14-rap-decline_N.htm

::rolleyes: :mad:

Theres a Bias against Rock and Roll I'm really starting to think...Notice how bands like Motley Crue and Twisted Sister in the 80's were criticized and almost brought down for their lryics, Where They at least had TALENT, and wern't as filthy as some of the stupid shit out today..And they get off Scot Free? I believe in Free Speech, But I also Believe in Talent!...Rap is so incredibly talentless in this day and age it's unbelieveble..Oh and Whomever is calling Daughtery "Rock" should be taken out in the street and beaten..

Thoughts?

Nitro Express
07-16-2007, 05:23 AM
With more and more people getting broadband internet connections, listening habbits will be hard to measure. Musicians I thought were long out of the picture never left. They just weren't in the major media anymore. They still have large fan bases and seem to make pretty nice livings still. Their main exposure is from their website where they can advertise tour dates, sell downloadable music, and merchandise.

Musicians no longer need recording studios. It's never been cheaper to make recorded music. They can sell it and promote it on the internet. Now that won't compete with the mass exposure the big guys have but it looks like we have all gotten tired of what they are selling and dumped Wal-mart for the mom and pop shop.

Nitro Express
07-16-2007, 05:32 AM
We're going to have some toothless rappers who had to sell their gold teeth to make rent. Not a bad investment, gold is going up.

binnie
07-16-2007, 05:40 AM
I think rap's time is up as the MAJOR force in popular music as far as sales and airplay go. We've had what 5+ years of it being everywhere, and now its time for another genre to dominate.

Let's hope we get some artists with talent breaking through to fill the void....

FORD
07-16-2007, 11:16 AM
Rap's been around more like 25 years and dominant the last 10. Problem is, it's become a fucking parody of itself. They're all still trying to re-record "Straight Outa Compton" and it's not working.

You can point to rock artists like Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Living Colour, or funk bands like George Clinton's groups. Earth Wind and Fire, fucking Motown - yeah the guys and gals whose names were on the label there were strictly vocalists for the most part, but there were solid musicians behind them, and they weren't white.

All this great music made by African Americans and what do these fools want to do? Shout bullshit over samples of someone else's records.

It's the corporations that are driving this shit, for the same reason that nothing is on TV anymore but reality shows, news shows which don't tell you the news, and pharmaceutical ads..... The greedy asses don't want to pay artists to create art, they just want cheap, lowest common denominator bullshit.

Steve Savicki
07-16-2007, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by FORD All this great music made by African Americans and what do these fools want to do? Shout bullshit over samples of someone else's records.
Time to play some of that original stuff now.
Makes me wonder if there ever is a future in music until a new genre of something entirely different is created.

Unchainme
07-16-2007, 10:01 PM
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Sam Kinison is the fucking man!..He's preaching to the choir on this one...Ice-T is in the crowd...I bet after hearing this he probably realized he should form body count! :D

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Ice-T has the utmost respect from me for forming this group and honoring Hendrix with this song..

thome
07-16-2007, 10:34 PM
Rap pioneer KRS-One, who just released Hip Hop Lives with fellow legend Marley Marl, offers a blunt explanation.

"The music is garbage," he says. "What has happened over the past few years is that we have traded art for money, simple and plain, and the public is not stupid."

Chuck Creekmur, co-founder of hip-hop news website Allhiphop.com, says rap once was known for creative storytelling and clever rhymes, but now is being undermined by a lack of both.

"A lot of these albums now are looking to duplicate the success" of whatever is hot at the moment, he says. "There is a lack of variety."

An industry force no more......................
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I say this was written in STONE in 1985. For me

With a few exceptions of DEFF RO and the assorted TRUE DAT Talent.

Maybe five artists in the last 20 years.

Ok maybe twenty but fifteen were one song Sallys!

I really mean who wasn't full of the same song thru a diff beat box
and a bigger butt.

By 85.

At the most 92.

Here's to all the fools with racks of cd's that never see the light of the lazer, after your pubies come.

Honestly, I may give up my lust for ROTH/VAN if the Rap and this CRY BABY PRIVATE CONSEVATORY ""JULLIARD"" anorexic,, buleimic, scarecrow ,in a Johnny Cash Suit ""Male ""??????????????

Rock goes forever............... AWAY!!!!

FUK OFF RAP!



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sadaist
07-16-2007, 10:56 PM
Anyone here old enough to remember when disco was big? It ran it's course and the "Disco Sucks" movement began. Radio stations burning albums at rock shows. That's what is happening to rap right now. Good riddance.

Shaun Ponsonby
07-17-2007, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Rap's been around more like 25 years and dominant the last 10. Problem is, it's become a fucking parody of itself. They're all still trying to re-record "Straight Outa Compton" and it's not working.

You can point to rock artists like Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Living Colour, or funk bands like George Clinton's groups. Earth Wind and Fire, fucking Motown - yeah the guys and gals whose names were on the label there were strictly vocalists for the most part, but there were solid musicians behind them, and they weren't white.

All this great music made by African Americans and what do these fools want to do? Shout bullshit over samples of someone else's records.

It's the corporations that are driving this shit, for the same reason that nothing is on TV anymore but reality shows, news shows which don't tell you the news, and pharmaceutical ads..... The greedy asses don't want to pay artists to create art, they just want cheap, lowest common denominator bullshit.

If I hadn't already given you 5 stars, you'd be getting it now.

It HAS become a parody of itself. Shame the chavs don't see that.

binnie
07-18-2007, 03:12 AM
Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby

Shame the chavs don't see that.

People like that will like whatever people tell them to like. And in 15 years when they see a TV programme remembering their youth, they will laugh at Rap because the man on the TV tells them it's funny.

Sad but True.

Shaun Ponsonby
07-18-2007, 07:59 AM
Good point, actually...

ace diamond
07-22-2007, 02:28 PM
i will say the same thing now that i have been saying ever since rap began-it is the response i give as well when i am asked what i think about rap-

FUCK RAP-IT AIN'T REAL MUSIC AND RAPPERS HAVE NO REAL TALENT,THAT IS WHY THEY KEEP GETTING SUED FOR RIPPING OFF SONGS FROM REAL SINGERS AND MUSICIANS. THEY ARE THE MOST UNORIGINAL AND UNTALENTED BUNCH OF DUMBFUCK LOSER ASSHOLE
WINDBAGS ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. FUCK RAP AND FUCK ANY IDIOT WHO THINKS THAT SHIT IS MUSIC. HELL I HATE DISCO JUST AS MUCH, BUT AT LEAST DISCO INVOLVED REAL MUSICIANS. RAP INVOLVES RIPPING OFF SONGS FROM REAL MUSICIANS AND CALLING IT "SAMPLING". STEALING IS STEALING, AND I HOPE THEY ALL PAY
THE PIPER WHEN IT COME TIME TO PAY UP ROYALTIES TO THE REAL ARTISTS THESE NO TALENT HACKS ARE STEALING MUSIC FROM.

METAL CHURCH SAID IT BEST WHEN THE DID THE SONGS"THE HUMAN FACTOR"

ANYONE REMEMBER THAT SONG?

ace diamond
07-22-2007, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by ace diamond
i will say the same thing now that i have been saying ever since rap began-it is the response i give as well when i am asked what i think about rap-

FUCK RAP-IT AIN'T REAL MUSIC AND RAPPERS HAVE NO REAL TALENT,THAT IS WHY THEY KEEP GETTING SUED FOR RIPPING OFF SONGS FROM REAL SINGERS AND MUSICIANS. THEY ARE THE MOST UNORIGINAL AND UNTALENTED BUNCH OF DUMBFUCK LOSER ASSHOLE
WINDBAGS ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. FUCK RAP AND FUCK ANY IDIOT WHO THINKS THAT SHIT IS MUSIC. HELL I HATE DISCO JUST AS MUCH, BUT AT LEAST DISCO INVOLVED REAL MUSICIANS. RAP INVOLVES RIPPING OFF SONGS FROM REAL MUSICIANS AND CALLING IT "SAMPLING". STEALING IS STEALING, AND I HOPE THEY ALL PAY
THE PIPER WHEN IT COME TIME TO PAY UP ROYALTIES TO THE REAL ARTISTS THESE NO TALENT HACKS ARE STEALING MUSIC FROM.

METAL CHURCH SAID IT BEST WHEN THEY DID THE SONGS"THE HUMAN FACTOR"

ANYONE REMEMBER THAT SONG?

ace diamond
07-22-2007, 02:31 PM
OOPS-sorry about that.