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Nickdfresh
07-31-2007, 07:22 PM
Dems Seek Gonzales Impeachment
Republican Congressman Calls the Move 'Misuse of Congressional Power'
By JASON RYAN and THERESA COOK

July 31, 2007 —

Days before Congress is set to adjourn for its August recess, a group of Democrats on Capitol Hill is seeking an impeachment resolution against embattled Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

On Tuesday, Rep. Jay Inslee, D-Wash., sought to introduce the legislation urging the House Judiciary Committee to "investigate fully whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to impeach Alberto R. Gonzales, attorney general of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors."

Six other Democrats joined Inslee, a former prosecutor from Washington State. Reps. Xavier Becerra, D-Calif., Michael A. Arcuri, D-N.Y., Tom Udall, D-N.M., Bruce Braley, D-Iowa, Ben Chandler, D-Ky., and Dennis Moore, D-Kan., co-sponsored the legislation.

The House and Senate Judiciary Committees have been investigating the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, and the role Gonzales and senior Justice Department officials played in the dismissals.

'Purely Political Reasons'

Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, denounced the impeachment move, calling it "a misuse of Congressional power for purely political reasons and a waste of the American public's money and time."

"Democrats have ignored this fundamental principle in their own investigation and have chosen instead to engage in a politically motivated campaign to slander the Justice Department and undermine the credibility of federal law enforcement," Smith continued.

Impeachment

The impeachment resolution is viewed by many on Capitol Hill as symbolic and unlikely to get much traction. But it is the latest display of a lack of support for Gonzales, who has faced a series of challenges this year.

The Democrats' request will move to the House Judiciary Committee for consideration, but it is unclear whether the committee will take up the measure. If it does, the committee would need to vote to send the measure to the full House of Representatives.

A majority vote of the full House would then be required to set up a trial by the Senate. After that trial, a two-thirds majority vote of the Senate would be needed to impeach.

Perjury Probe?

Last week several Senate Democrats called for a perjury investigation on the heels of Gonzales' testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee. The senators charged that the attorney general lied to Congress about the Bush administration's terrorist surveillance and other intelligence programs.

In July 24 testimony Gonzales dismissed previous statements made by former deputy Attorney General James Comey. Comey had asserted that a March 2004 White House briefing with congressional leaders specifically addressed the National Security Agency's Terrorist Surveillance Program, which allowed the government to use wiretaps without court authorization on U.S. citizens suspected of having links to al Qaeda.

A still classified program, possibly related to TSP, was set to expire the following day. Gonzales testified that the meeting dealt with other surveillance programs but not the TSP.

Ashcroft Visit

Gonzales was also questioned during last week's Senate Judiciary hearing about a March 2004 trip to visit then-Attorney General John Ashcroft in the hospital. Gonzales, who was White House counsel at the time, traveled with then-White House chief of staff Andy Card to George Washington University hospital to ask Ashcroft to approve a secret intelligence program.

During May testimony on Capitol Hill, Comey, who was acting attorney general during Ashcroft's recovery, characterized the move as "an effort to take advantage of a very sick man who did not have the powers of the attorney general."

Comey also noted that senior DOJ officials had legal concerns about the secret program.

Gonzales' Explanation

But Gonzales shot down Comey's interpretation of the meeting during his testimony last week.

"Mr. Comey's testimony about the hospital visit was about other intelligence activities, disagreements over other intelligence activities," Gonzales said.

The Justice Department and the White House have waved off allegations of perjury, explaining that Gonzales' testimony is "difficult to parse" because of the layers of classified information involved.

"Sometimes it's going to lead people to talk very carefully and there's going to be plenty room for interpretation or conclusion," White House press secretary Tony Snow said in a press briefing last week.

NSA Program

Days after testifying before the Senate it seemed that FBI director Robert Mueller bluntly contradicted Gonzales when he testified before the House Judiciary Committee saying, "The discussion was on a national NSA program that has been much discussed, yes."

Intelligence officials have said the program went outside of the normal review process under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act because of the speed and agility needed to quickly counter threats from al Qaeda. The TSP now operates under the jurisdiction of the secret FISA court.

The discrepancy in Gonzales' and Mueller's testimony appears to be over an NSA data mining project that collected millions of American phone records provided by major phone companies. The government has never publicly acknowledged the existence of the program, which has only been cited by anonymous sources in the media.

Gonzales testified, "The president confirmed the existence of one set of intelligence activities," in reference to the TSP program.

The NSA's data mining project with the phone companies has been the subject of litigation in lawsuits against the NSA and AT&T by the American Civil Liberties Union, The Center for Constitutional Rights, The Electronic Frontier Foundation, and the Electronic Privacy Information Center. In those cases, submissions and declarations by the Director of National Intelligence stated the cases sought to expose state secrets.

In a May 13, 2006 declaration by then-Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte the government asserted, "The purpose of this declaration is to formally assert, in my capacity as DNI and head of the United States Intelligence Community, the military and state secrets privilege... in order to protect intelligence information, sources and methods that are implicated by the allegations in this case. Disclosure of the information covered by these privilege assertions reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security of the United States and, therefore, should be excluded from any use in this case."

A letter sent to Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Penn., from the current DNI Mike McConnell noted of the program, "Shortly after 9/11 the President authorized the National Security Agency to undertake various Intelligence activities designed to protect the United States from further terrorist attack&The details of the activities changed in certain respects over time and I understand from the Department of Justice these activities rested on different legal basis."

"In early 2006 as part of the public debate that followed the President's acknowledgement, the Administration first used the term 'Terrorist Surveillance Program' to refer specifically" to the intercepting of Al Qaeda communications, McConnell noted in the letter. "This is the only aspect of the NSA activities that can be discussed publicly& operational details even of the activity acknowledged and described by the President have not been made public and cannot be disclosed without harming national security. I understand that the phrase 'Terrorist Surveillance Program' was not used prior to 2006 to refer to the activities authorized by the President."

Cindy Cohen, legal director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, sent a statement to ABC News, saying of the letter, "the Administration has steadfastly maintained that courts may not review its dragnet surveillance activities unless the Administration officially acknowledges their existence.

"With this letter, Admiral McConnell gives that official acknowledgment," Cohen continued.

ABC News obtained McConnell's letter just prior to a classified briefing the DNI provided to members of the Senate on FISA. The DNI and Justice Department sent proposed legislation to Capitol Hill in April to fix some of the loopholes in FISA about international calls, e-mails or others information going through U.S. communication channels. The administration has been asking for this legislation to be passed by Congress before they leave Washington for the August recess.

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Nickdfresh
08-01-2007, 10:09 AM
NSA spying part of broader effort
Intelligence chief says Bush authorized secret activities under one order
By Dan Eggen
The Washington Post
Updated: 12:34 a.m. ET Aug 1, 2007

The Bush administration's chief intelligence official said yesterday that President Bush authorized a series of secret surveillance activities under a single executive order in late 2001. The disclosure makes clear that a controversial National Security Agency program was part of a much broader operation than the president previously described.

The disclosure by Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence, appears to be the first time that the administration has publicly acknowledged that Bush's order included undisclosed activities beyond the warrantless surveillance of e-mails and phone calls that Bush confirmed in December 2005.

In a letter to Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), McConnell wrote that the executive order following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks included "a number of . . . intelligence activities" and that a name routinely used by the administration -- the Terrorist Surveillance Program -- applied only to "one particular aspect of these activities, and nothing more."

"This is the only aspect of the NSA activities that can be discussed publicly, because it is the only aspect of those various activities whose existence has been officially acknowledged," McConnell said.

The program that Bush announced was put under a court's supervision in January, but the administration now wants congressional approval to do much of the same surveillance without a court order.

Aimed at defending Gonzales
McConnell's letter was aimed at defending Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales from allegations by Democrats that he may have committed perjury by telling Congress that no legal objections were raised about the TSP. Gonzales said a legal fight in early 2004 was focused on "other intelligence activities" than those confirmed by Bush, but never connected those to Bush's executive order.

But in doing so, McConnell's letter also underscored that the full scope of the NSA's surveillance program under Bush's order has not been revealed. The TSP described by Bush and his aides allowed the interception of communication between the United States and other countries where one party is believed to be tied to al-Qaeda, so other types of communication or data are presumably being collected under the parts of the wider NSA program that remain hidden.

News reports over the past 20 months have detailed a range of activities linked to the program, including the use of data mining to identify surveillance targets and the participation of telecommunication companies in turning over millions of phone records. The administration has not publicly confirmed such reports.

A spokesman for McConnell declined to elaborate on the letter. The Justice Department also declined to comment.

Specter was noncommittal yesterday on whether McConnell's explanation resolved his questions about the accuracy of Gonzales's previous testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee, where Specter is the ranking Republican. Specter said he was waiting for a separate letter from the attorney general to provide additional clarification.

"If he doesn't have a plausible explanation, then he hasn't leveled with the committee," Specter said on CNN. Justice spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said that "the department will continue to work with Senator Specter to address his concerns," but declined to comment further.

McConnell's letter leaves maneuvering room for both sides in the political fracas over whether Gonzales has been truthful in his testimony. On the one hand, the NSA was clearly engaged in activities that were distinct enough to require different "legal bases" authorizing their use, according to McConnell's account.

"If you think about it technically, it is pretty clear that the NSA desk that does communications intercepts is separate from the desk that does data mining of call records," said Kim Taipale, executive director of the Center for Advanced Studies in Science and Technology Policy, a New York-based nonprofit group. "Those are separate processes, and to think of them as separate programs is not a stretch."

On the other hand, the activities were authorized under a single presidential order and were all part of an NSA effort to gather communications about suspected terrorists after the Sept. 11 attacks. That helps explain why many Democratic lawmakers and administration officials -- including FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III -- viewed the wiretapping as part of a larger NSA program, rather than a separate effort, as Gonzales's testimony has suggested.

"Both sides have a legitimate case, if you want to be legalist about it," Taipale said.

The 45-day reauthorization of a single presidential order was probably a "bureaucratic convenience" that eliminated the need to issue multiple authorizations, he added.

Kate Martin, executive director of the Center for National Security Studies, said the new disclosures show that Gonzales and other administration officials have "repeatedly misled the Congress and the American public" about the extent of NSA surveillance efforts.

"They have repeatedly tried to give the false impression that the surveillance was narrow and justified," Martin said. "Why did it take accusations of perjury before the DNI disclosed that there is indeed other, presumably broader and more questionable surveillance?"

Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.), who was among a group of four Democratic senators who called last week for a perjury investigation of Gonzales, said: "The question of whether Attorney General Gonzales perjured himself looms as large now as it did before this letter.

"This letter is no vindication of the attorney general," he said.

Staff writer Joby Warrick and staff researcher Madonna Lebling contributed to this report.
© 2007 The Washington Post Company

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Nickdfresh
08-01-2007, 10:15 AM
Impeach all the bastards!

FORD
08-01-2007, 10:21 AM
If Jay Inslee pulls this off, he will (at least temporarily) become my favorite Washington congressman.

Take Speedy down first. Then Cheney. Then Chimp.

knuckleboner
08-01-2007, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by FORD
If Jay Inslee pulls this off, he will (at least temporarily) become my favorite Washington congressman.

Take Speedy down first. Then Cheney. Then Chimp.

do you really care if bush gets impeached after january 2009?

(which, under your scenario is still too early for it to physically happen, yet completely moot by that point...)

FORD
08-01-2007, 12:53 PM
After January 2009, they don't have to Chimpeach him. They can try him in a regular court and throw the bastard in prison at that point.

Visualize federal agents taking Darth and Chimp into custody immediately following President Gore's inauguration on 1/20/09.

And yes I do care. Because I want the BCE out of my country's government permanently.

knuckleboner
08-01-2007, 03:49 PM
what i meant about caring is that there is no way that the congress would be able to do 3 impeachments by 2009.

so, IF your goal was to impeach gonzales, then cheney, then bush, they'd probably just have time to finish up with gonzales' before the next president was inaugurated.

so, pick the 1 guy you want impeached and run with that. anybody else and there will not be enough time.

well, unless bush suspends the 2008 election...;)

Guitar Shark
08-01-2007, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
well, unless bush suspends the 2008 election...;)

The BCE is going to abolish the 22nd Amendment, just you wait and see.

ELVIS
08-01-2007, 05:24 PM
Why, so Bill and his wife can terrorize the world indefinately ??

jhale667
08-01-2007, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
The BCE is going to abolish the 22nd Amendment, just you wait and see.

Aren't they already trying to? Or are they waiting for the "Impending terra-ist attacks"? :rolleyes:

Hyman Roth
08-01-2007, 07:18 PM
I think that post was sarcasm...

jhale667
08-01-2007, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Hyman Roth
I think that post was sarcasm...

Well...yeah :D ,but I do recall reading somewhere that they were floating that idea in the event of another serious attack...think there was a thread about it here also, if I'm not mistaken....

Hyman Roth
08-01-2007, 07:25 PM
Shiiit...they could repeal the 22nd Amendment all they want and give away free Krispy Kreme when you register to vote; Bush would never win a third term, assuming a fair election. :rolleyes:

ODShowtime
08-01-2007, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Why, so Bill and his wife can terrorize the world indefinately ??

You know, just yesterday I refrained from breaking your balls about the but clinton bullshit. I will not do so again you simple little man. You're ignorant. It's offensive.

ODShowtime
08-01-2007, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
do you really care if bush gets impeached after january 2009?

(which, under your scenario is still too early for it to physically happen, yet completely moot by that point...)

right now it's not about getting a decent leader, or even averting disaster. It's about bringing justice and accountability so that such criminal and incompetent behavior does not happen again in the near future.

Honestly, if I was an outsider looking in to the US, I would surmise that our system is completely corroded and represents a real threat to the rest of the world.

Bringing accountability could help with that

Baby's On Fire
08-01-2007, 08:56 PM
But......but......Clinton got a blowjob.

Isn't that what's really important?

knuckleboner
08-01-2007, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by ODShowtime
right now it's not about getting a decent leader, or even averting disaster. It's about bringing justice and accountability so that such criminal and incompetent behavior does not happen again in the near future.

Honestly, if I was an outsider looking in to the US, I would surmise that our system is completely corroded and represents a real threat to the rest of the world.

Bringing accountability could help with that

all impeachment does is remove somebody from office, and then, like FORD said, allows, if necessary, for a criminal trial to begin, since you can't criminally try a sitting president.

all i was saying was that if you wanted to impeach cheney and bush, there isn't enough time before both are out of office when the next president is inaugurated. you CAN'T impeach a former president, because there's no need; you would simply bring criminal charges.

hence, practically speaking, there's 1 shot. impeach bush if you want, but if successful, there WILL NOT be enough time to impeach cheney. or vice versa.

hideyoursheep
08-02-2007, 10:58 AM
I want those fuckers in Guantanamo.

Not comfortably "retired" somewhere, enjoying themselves.