Nugent threatens to kill

[Steve Savicki]

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1885959/posts

This should expose Repubs as being dangerous.

http://www.gunguys.com/?p=2417

GunGuys.com is urgently demanding that the National Rifle Association immediately remove Ted Nugent from his position as a board member of the NRA after Nugent threatened United States Senators and Presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

This is the latest in a series of unacceptable extremist rhetoric -- and in this case a threat against the life of U.S. Senators -- from NRA role model and activist, Ted Nugent.

According to Rolling Stone magazine:

Renegade right-winger Ted Nugent recently went on a vicious onstage rant in which he threatened the lives of Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Decked out in full-on camouflage hunting gear, Nugent wielded two machine guns while raging, “Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun. Hey Hillary,” he continued. “You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.” Nugent summed up his eloquent speech by screaming “freedom!”

This isn’t the first time Nugent has been caught spewing hatred. Last January, the guitarist caused a scandal for Republican Texas governor Rick Perry when he, among other abhorrent comments, wore a Confederate flag shirt and insulted immigrants at Perry’s inauguration event. In July, Nugent was quoted in a Wall Street Journal story blaming “stoned, dirty, stinky hippies” for “rising rates of divorce, high school drop-outs, drug use, abortion, sexual diseases and crime, not to mention the exponential expansion of government and taxes.”

Gun Guys.com will have more to say about this vile and disturbing rhetoric from the National Rifle Association soon. But for now, it is incumbent on the NRA to forcefully and categorically distance itself from its board member, Ted Nugent, by demanding his immediate resignation from the board of directors.

Second, Gun Guys.com is calling on the NRA to apologize both to Senators Obama and Clinton and pledge to disavow all forms of hate speech and threats to political candidates from individuals affiliated -- in this case as a member of its governing body -- with the National Rifle Association.

In the 2000 presidential election campaign, Charlton Heston, then head of the NRA, called for the lynching of Al Gore during a Michigan campaign rally for George W. Bush.

The NRA's failure to immediately remove Ted Nugent from the NRA's board will signal its complicity in these contintued threats and vile rhetoric

<i>Talk about not being able to debate properly!</i>

[ROTHisGOD]

Nothin' new! He has also said the same for Bill Clinton,Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton...The Nuge is the only one that would ever vocalize it! I have seen him twice over the past two years,opening for KISS,then solo and both times the shows lacked because of his political rambling,and about republicans being dangerous? yeah,same can be said for either party...

[Steve Savicki]

Yeah, he's a rock star, NOT a politician... well a rock singer... not sure about shining as high as a star.

[Nitro Express]

I don't know what Ted's problem is. He does have the capability to be a very nice guy but he can be a huge asshole too. But that is exactly what his wife Sheman said and he's lucky to still have her because he cheated on her.

I've met Ted's son Rocco. A very normal kid who shakes his head when some of his dad's antics are mentioned.

I'm tottaly for individual freedom. I don't want socialism and I don't trust the govt. but the far right have proven they aren't for individual freedom. Some Democrats believe in individual freedom as well.

Ted has burned his bridges and continues to burn them. He would be a lot bigger in the hunting industry but he freaks those people out as well. The NRA is seeing he as a liability. Maybe they should get Hulk Hogan as a spokesman because I notice he likes to shoot variouse types of firearms on his show. There's plenty of other people than Ted who hunt and own firearms.

[Nitro Express]

Holy hell. What did Obamba do? He wants to invade Pakistahn and Hillary supported Bush on the Iraq invasion. Not to mention she forgave her adulterouse husband like Ted's wife forgave him for getting some tail on the side.

Take a look in the mirror you idiot!

The Detroit Madman is chasing everyone away like he always has. I notice Hulk Hogan likes to shoot guns, the NRA can have him as a spokesman. LOL!

[Nickdfresh]

I hope the Secret Service shoves a machine gun up his aSS...

Fucking draft-dodging pussy-bitch old man hiding behind his guns...

[ROTHisGOD]

Our secret service??.. they are too busy shoving guns up their own asses...

[sadaist]

Nugent is a nut job. Why anyone takes this guy seriously is beyond me. He's just trying to get publicity right now because of his new album.

[Steve Savicki]

Isn't there a charge for public indecency that would apply not only for weilding guns, but for his dress alone?

[FORD]

He just threatened two Presidential candidates. If a guy can go to prison for making a vague joke about a "burning bush", then Ted SHOULD be in deep deep shit right about now.

I say SHOULD be. Because right wingers seem to be exempt from this sort of thing. Jesse Helms openly threatened President Clinton's life from the fucking senate floor in the 90's, while convicted felon and certified BCE lunatic G. Gordon Liddy was advising his extremist radio audience how to shoot federal agents in the head with assault rifles.

Nugent won't see a single badge flashed his way unless he threatens a Repuke candidate.

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by FORD
He just threatened two Presidential candidates. If a guy can go to prison for making a vague joke about a "burning bush", then Ted SHOULD be in deep deep shit right about now.

I say SHOULD be. Because right wingers seem to be exempt from this sort of thing. Jesse Helms openly threatened President Clinton's life from the fucking senate floor in the 90's, while convicted felon and certified BCE lunatic G. Gordon Liddy was advising his extremist radio audience how to shoot federal agents in the head with assault rifles.

Nugent won't see a single badge flashed his way unless he threatens a Repuke candidate.

Threatening to kill US Senators, Congressmen, or the President is a felony. Some T-Shirt printer got in trouble for printing Ted Kennedy inside of target rings. If it's someone like Osama Bin Ladden that's ok but if it's Hillary Clinton or President Bush, you can go to jail on felony charges.

[Nitro Express]

I've met G. Gordon Liddy personally. I was not impressed. He's a tottal horn dog with no class hitting on the women around him. Why his wife has stuck by him over all these years is beyond me.

Like Nugent, you see the potential but they live in this crazy fog that overtakes them.

[Dr. Love]

Nice overreactions in this thread, I'm enjoying them.

[TongueNGroove]

“Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun. Hey Hillary,” he continued. “You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.”

Niether one of those statements are a "Threat".

[Keef]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
“Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun. Hey Hillary,” he continued. “You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.”

Niether one of those statements are a "Threat".

Right. Swap the names out to any of the criminals you worship. You would be calling the authorities yourself screaming for a lynch mob.

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by Keef
Right. Swap the names out to any of the criminals you worship. You would be calling the authorities yourself screaming for a lynch mob.

OK
Sammy Hagar, you are a piece of shit ,suck on my mahine gun.
Mikey you are a worthless bitch.
Anyone calling that lynch mob , yet?

[cadaverdog]

Just kidding.
Why would anyone take those comments as a threat , sounds like free speech to me.

[BITEYOASS]

Sounds like Nuge being a dumbfuck as usual. That's until one of his retard fans attempts what Ted failed to act upon. :rolleyes:

[FORD]

Exactly.....

Do I think Nugent would act as stupidly as he talks? Nope. He's a chickenshit. Emphasis on the shit, as he proved when he showed up at his draft physical.

But one of his single-digit IQ fans certainly could take his bullshit seriously.

[Nitro Express]

He's a great guitar player. I say shut up Ted and play the fucking guitar and get someone to help you write some new songs that are good.

Love Grenade? Bwahahahahaaha! Yeah, I'm sure your kids and wife loved that one.

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by FORD
Do I think Nugent would act as stupidly as he talks? Nope. He's a chickenshit. Emphasis on the shit, as he proved when he showed up at his draft physical.
What happened?

[Nickdfresh]

Nugent ain't a "great" player...

He's a redundant, cliché-ridden mediocre dipshit...

[VanHalener]

Ted is a nut job, but long live Ted and freedom of speech!

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by vanhalener
Ted is a nut job, but long live Ted and freedom of speech!

Amen, brother.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Nugent ain't a "great" player...

He's a redundant, cliché-ridden mediocre dipshit...

Thank you. What he said. ;)

[BITEYOASS]

The longer this Iraq war gets, the more desperate the chickenhawks get in denying how bad it is going. Plus I wanna see the Republicans loose embarisingly, so nominate Romney and have Nugent give a speech at the convention. :D

[fryingdutchman]

Video of the aforementioned rant.

Decide fo' yo'selves..

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[David Lee Rocks]

Originally posted by fryingdutchman
Video of the aforementioned rant.

Decide fo' yo'selves..

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[FORD]

Originally posted by Steve Savicki
What happened?

In a 1978 issue of Rolling Stone, Ted Nugent was quoted as saying that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi. A week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own shit and stained by his urine. Nugent says that spectacle won him a deferment - it enabled him to avoid having to go to Vietnam.

[katie]

Originally posted by FORD
In a 1978 issue of Rolling Stone, Ted Nugent was quoted as saying that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi. A week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own shit and stained by his urine. Nugent says that spectacle won him a deferment - it enabled him to avoid having to go to Vietnam.

You make that sound like a bad thing

[Nitro Express]

One problem with words and writing is they don't convey sarcasm very well. Reading about what went on makes it so much more than actually went on.

I just wonder if Ted Knows many of his Republican buddies get their salad tossed by other men in the Bohemian Grove. The Bohemian Club should invite ted to the Cremation of Care sometime and give him a young boy whore.

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by FORD
In a 1978 issue of Rolling Stone, Ted Nugent was quoted as saying that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi. A week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own shit and stained by his urine. Nugent says that spectacle won him a deferment - it enabled him to avoid having to go to Vietnam.

I never heard about that .
That does qualify him for draft dodger status.
If he didn't agree with the war he should have stood up like a man and said so.
Some called Ali a draft dodger , but I have more respect for a man that stands up and says Hell no ,I won't go than a guy who would do something like that.
I would even prefer a person who ran off to Canada to someone who would pull that kind of shit and later brag about it.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
Jesse Helms openly threatened President Clinton's life from the fucking senate floor in the 90's,

LOL, I can't wait to hear this. What exactly did he say?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
LOL, I can't wait to hear this. What exactly did he say?

I can't find the exact quote, but he basically dared the President to come to North Carolina without a Secret Service detail, with the implication that he wouldn't be leaving alive.

[fryingdutchman]

Originally posted by FORD
I can't find the exact quote, but he basically dared the President to come to North Carolina without a Secret Service detail, with the implication that he wouldn't be leaving alive.

Shit...I remember that.

Did some digging and found the following snippet from a TIME magazine article - December 1994:

At first Bill Clinton knew exactly what he wanted to do after learning that North Carolina Senator Jesse Helms had told a Raleigh newspaper that the President "better have a bodyguard" if he ever visited his state. "I'm ready to go to North Carolina right now," an angry Clinton informed White House chief of staff Leon Panetta, who brought him the news last Tuesday.


Link to entire article here...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,981957-1,00.html

[kentuckyklira]

Just imagine what would happen if a Muslim with Arabian roots said something like that aimed at prominent republican politicians. He´d find himself in Guantanamo even if he was born American and had lived in the USA all of his life!

[Binky]

The age old fact that musicians should not dabble in politics. They are there to entertain us and give us music, not to interfere with other people's jobs. At the end of the day being an MP is a job and they have to deal with the issues, dabbling in weak politics is a musician's hobby and they probably know nothing. In fact, there's probably more to something than people realise. Apart from Bush who's just a monkey-moron. Has he got Resus blood? Tee hee hee........

Anyway, good examples of berks going dabbling with fire is John Lennon and Yoko Ono. I saw an interview with him and the ministry of defence while he was doing that bed thing (oh yes very productive, sitting on a bed for peace instead of having an intelligent debate with the PM or something) and John knew nothing. He was just coming out with BS and was totally out of it, man. Other examples are Geldof and his attitude, LiveAid okay may have been good but the other stuff he's done is utter crap. LiveAid DID something, Live8 gave a concert. He also told kids to bunk out of school to get involved with something they would never understand. And Bono. If you're going to dabble in politics then don't become a musician because we're not interested. While Ted is good live he did go on at Monsters of Rock about our alliance in the Iraq war and I'm like, great, starts going downhill from there. He's a loon and used to scare me as a child. *^_^* lml

[BITEYOASS]

The only useful political action that a musician ever did was when Frank Zappa fought censorship.

[Guitar Shark]

While it's a stupid comment for sure, it's a far cry from threatening Clinton's life on the Senate floor.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
While it's a stupid comment for sure, it's a far cry from threatening Clinton's life on the Senate floor.

OK, so I was mistaken about him being on the Senate floor when he said it. It was 13 years ago.

And not that Jesse didn't say a bunch of other stupid shit on the Senate floor. ;)

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by cadaverdog
I never heard about that .
That does qualify him for draft dodger status.
If he didn't agree with the war he should have stood up like a man and said so.
Some called Ali a draft dodger , but I have more respect for a man that stands up and says Hell no ,I won't go than a guy who would do something like that.
I would even prefer a person who ran off to Canada to someone who would pull that kind of shit and later brag about it.

It all depends. If the war is started by the industrial military complex to make money and was started with lies (Gulf of Tonken and Weapons of Mass Destruction), it has nothing to do about fighting for your home and family.

Running off when your family, home, and way of life is threatened is clearly being a coward. It all depends on what we are fighting for.

I'm convinced we would be spitting on soldiers again if there was a draft. It would be the 1960's and 70's again. Because the people fighting are so called volunteers the masses of asses just go, "Oh well, they signed up".

[Nitro Express]

Back in the days when I was a stockbroker whore I remember we spent a whole days worth of training on how to be Mr. Nuetral. Avoid politics and religion at all costs! If its brought up change the subject in a hurry. We are here to sell securities and equities, not to ruin a sale because we got pulled into a political conversation.

Of course the company I worked for was a Bilderberg opperation and what better to tell us. Keep you mouth shut and do what we say and be a good Nazi. LOL! I hated working in the corporate world where they invade your privae life. Pepsico will fucking fire your ass if they find out you had a Coke at Wendy's. It's in the employee contracts. These bastards try and invade their employees private lives where you can lose your job if you belong to certain club and yadda yadda yadda.

Now I usually don't talk politics to my customers and clients. It's best not to but I'm not going to be a political passivest because my employer may fire me or it may hurt a sale. Fuck that, if you don't like me then don't buy from me. I have my enemies. Anyone who stands for anything does.

Fuck Mr. Neutral!

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
OK, so I was mistaken about him being on the Senate floor when he said it. It was 13 years ago.

And not that Jesse didn't say a bunch of other stupid shit on the Senate floor. ;)

You were also mistaken about it being a threat on Clinton's life. ;)

Agreed, Helms was a complete tool. Is he still alive?

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
It all depends. If the war is started by the industrial military complex to make money and was started with lies (Gulf of Tonken and Weapons of Mass Destruction), it has nothing to do about fighting for your home and family.

Running off when your family, home, and way of life is threatened is clearly being a coward. It all depends on what we are fighting for.

I'm convinced we would be spitting on soldiers again if there was a draft. It would be the 1960's and 70's again. Because the people fighting are so called volunteers the masses of asses just go, "Oh well, they signed up".

Let me clarify my statement .
I agree running away was cowardly.
But I think he should have voiced his disagreement with the war like Ali instead of handling the situation like that .
Running because you are afraid to die sounds sane to me.
I am a vet , but as a teenager facing possibly being drafted if the war continued scared the shit out of me.
I was 21 when i joined and had enjoyed some adult life.
But if they had drafted me at 18 ,I might have ran too.
I would never disrespect the troops who sacrificed so much wether it was a just cause or not.
If the situation was the same as WW2 , I would have dropped out of school to get them fuckers.
Teds actions considering his political views now were completely out of line.

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
It all depends. If the war is started by the industrial military complex to make money and was started with lies (Gulf of Tonken and Weapons of Mass Destruction), it has nothing to do about fighting for your home and family.

Running off when your family, home, and way of life is threatened is clearly being a coward. It all depends on what we are fighting for.

I'm convinced we would be spitting on soldiers again if there was a draft. It would be the 1960's and 70's again. Because the people fighting are so called volunteers the masses of asses just go, "Oh well, they signed up".

I am not convinced the WMDs thing was a lie .
Hillary thought they had them,too
Sadaam used chemical weapons on the Kurds .
The WMDs could have been moved or buried shortly before we invaded.
It is possible the russians had assisted considering we found all thoe chemical warfare suits they supplied to Iraq in clear violation of UN sanctions.

[binnie]

Much as I am a fan of Nugent's music, it's hard to take any thoughts of a man who wrote "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" seriously.

What's next, Bret Michael's thoughts on International Terrorism?

[scamper]

Originally posted by katie
You make that sound like a bad thing

:D

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by binnie
Much as I am a fan of Nugent's music, it's hard to take any thoughts of a man who wrote "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" seriously.

What's next, Bret Michael's thoughts on International Terrorism?

Thats the bad side of free speech , any one can say crazy shit .
But it is better than no freedom of speech.

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
He just threatened two Presidential candidates. If a guy can go to prison for making a vague joke about a "burning bush", then Ted SHOULD be in deep deep shit right about now.

FORD, if everybody who threatened a presidential candidate or president with physical harm went to jail, about half of the people who post over at the DU would have been arrested by now.

The people who are arrested for threatening George W. Bush are few and far between. If a sick fuck can make a movie about an assassination attempt on Bush and say it's 'entertainment', then anything is possible.

[binnie]

Originally posted by cadaverdog
Thats the bad side of free speech , any one can say crazy shit .
But it is better than no freedom of speech.

I agree entirely. And the other great thing about living in a democracy is that we can all chose to ignore that statements as idiotic as Nugent's.

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by FORD
In a 1978 issue of Rolling Stone, Ted Nugent was quoted as saying that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi. A week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own shit and stained by his urine. Nugent says that spectacle won him a deferment - it enabled him to avoid having to go to Vietnam.
Good grief! If only someone documented this for a film!

[Ellyllions]

Ted is sensationalism from his head to his toes. He always has been. You can't take much seriously from him at all.

BUT, he did make a couple of good points in defending himself from this "bad" press. (which I thoroughly thinks he enjoys)

He said: "Did anyone expect Sam Kinison to explain his jokes? Did anyone expect Richard Pryor to explain his jokes? Well, back then the answer would be 'no', but were they working in this day and age, how would they be treated by society?"

And he's right about that. Of course, I don't equate what he does to the comedy genius of Sam or Richard, but he's right in that their comedy was absolutely offensive. Try some of their jokes today and what would happen? It's like as we try to pretend to be more open, we start to look at most everything under a magnifying glass.

Do I think Ted was making a threat? No.
I think he's like an unsupervised child who was trying too hard to entertain his audience and just went too far.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by cadaverdog
Let me clarify my statement .
I agree running away was cowardly.
But I think he should have voiced his disagreement with the war like Ali instead of handling the situation like that .
Running because you are afraid to die sounds sane to me.
I am a vet , but as a teenager facing possibly being drafted if the war continued scared the shit out of me.
I was 21 when i joined and had enjoyed some adult life.
But if they had drafted me at 18 ,I might have ran too.
I would never disrespect the troops who sacrificed so much wether it was a just cause or not.
If the situation was the same as WW2 , I would have dropped out of school to get them fuckers.
Teds actions considering his political views now were completely out of line.

How old are you?

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
How old are you?

47
The draft stopped when I was about 16 ,even though most or all of our troops had been recalled from nam [except the MIAs] the thought of a rekindling of the [police action] was on a lot of guys my ages mind.
Most of them were on the fence .
We loved America [and smoking as much weed as possible] but I think what scared us most was the haircut , If we could have kept our long hair and still killed commies it might have sounded a little better.
The WW2 remark meant if our country was attacked like Pearl Harbor
My pot smoking buddies and myself would have been running to the recruiter instead of asking him [who cut your hair?].

[Nickdfresh]

The draft ended in 1973, and although I'm lousy at math - I'm pretty sure that makes you a worry-wart of a a "13-year old white boy."

http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/pic/46/025_517~Spinal-Tap-Posters.jpg

LOL I can't think of a more fitting thread for the above picture...

The Nuge's lyrics make Spinal Tap look Shakespearean...:D

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by Ellyllions

I think he's like an unsupervised child who was trying too hard to entertain his audience and just went too far.
Can entertaining audiences go any farther than that?

[Ellyllions]

No, like an unsupervised child that went too far. You know the kind of "go too far" that usually ends up with a bloody nose and many tears?

I probably didn't get my point across. Sometimes me brain thinks faster than my fingers can make sense of...

[Steve Savicki]

LOL:

"Nugent isn't just a washed-up rocker -- he's a right-wing madman who's not afraid to call out some of the leading Democrats in language so vile it makes the Dixie Chick Natalie Maines' comments about President Bush sound like a love poem."

[cadaverdog]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nickdfresh
[B] The draft ended in 1973, and although I'm lousy at math - I'm pretty sure that makes you a worry-wart of a a "13-year old white boy."

Yes I Am A white boy.
But my brothers best friend was a white boy who was drafted to nam and came home in a body bag.
You might be right about the draft stopping in 73 but I still had to register at 18 .
As I stated you never know when your government is going to decide you should fight or die for their agendas and Viet Nam was still the top story then.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by cadaverdog

Yes I Am A white boy.
But my brothers best friend was a white boy who was drafted to nam and came home in a body bag.
You might be right about the draft stopping in 73 but I still had to register at 18 .
As I stated you never know when your government is going to decide you should fight or die for their agendas and Viet Nam was still the top story then. [/B]

:D I'm not trying to give you any shit bro. I'm just a bit of a military/Vietnam-era buff and I wanted to clarify that...

Sorry to hear about your brother's friend.

We all had to register for selective service, and they began to crack down more in the 1980s...

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
:D I'm not trying to give you any shit bro. I'm just a bit of a military/Vietnam-era buff and I wanted to clarify that...

Sorry to hear about your brother's friend.

We all had to register for selective service, and they began to crack down more in the 1980s...

Right on
I was just trying to say the threat of being drafted and sent overseas was on our minds.
We would discuss if they drafted us for a simular situation,where there was really no threat to America ,would we go or run.
Most said they would stay here but not show up at the draft board and deal with it if caught.

[Mr Grimsdale]

i haven't changed my pantaloons once this century