Ibanez Paul Gilbert PGM301

[Eddie's Booze]

I bought that Jackson Dinky(See the thread I posted about that). Also in the guitar shop they had a Paul Gilbert PGM 301. I didn't ask the guys in the shop about it as they cost like 800 pounds(Uk money). So I bought the Jackson instead....

Well, I went to the guitar shop the next day(Last Sunday) and asked them how much money it was.......

I couldn't believe it.......550 pounds used(With a Prestiege case included). They wanted 450 for the Jackson I bought and they took 400 so I said to them I'll give you 500 for the PGM.......Let me try it out.

I did try it out and WOW!!! It is Fantastic!!! It is completly different to any guitar I have owned.

It has a fixed bridge. Dimarzio pickups and a 24 fret maple fingerboard and Jumbo frets.

The neck on it is "Very Wide" is the best way I can describe it. The pickups are mounted directly to the guitar body(Like Eddie does with his guitars).

Here is a picture of it!

http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2004/P1010018.JPG

The one thing that I really like about the guitar is that it don't have a trem so you can tune it down to E flat or drop D tuning without messing about with all of the shit of a locking trem.

The Pickups in it are really nice sounding as well. :D

I gave the guys a deposit for it on Friday. It is too much of a good guitar at a good price to not buy.

:D

[Matt White]

Good guitar........


They do have grate necks...................

[cdwillis]

That sounds like a real steal. I've wanted to play one of those for a while but I think I'd prefer the 300 with the trem.

[Eddie's Booze]

Wow!!!! The PGM is a seriously good Instrument. It has the "Killer Tone". It's old School Van Halen/Yngwie vibe. The instrument is a sustain monster !

I am that much into the tone it has that I am going to get the same pickups it has for my Jackson Dinky:).

There's more.......The neck on it is damn near perfect.

I have slight OCD when it come s to guitars and playing guitars.

They need to be as near to perfect as possible Tone and playing wise.

The Wideness of the neck is beautiful for bending notes. Like I said it in the first post about this guitar it is hard to describe the neck.

When I bend a note a whole step it just feels right(The amount I have to bend the string to get it the whole step).

Honestly you would have to play one of these guitars to understand what I mean about the neck on it.

The thing is light as fuck. Then you consider I paid 500 for it used and it is in perfect condition, I checked the price online. It new 850 here new(I am not sure if that is with the case or not). I got a real bargain.



:)

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Matt White
Good guitar........


They do have grate necks...................

Yeah, I've tried a couple of those. Very nice necks, pretty sure it's a 1 3/4" nut width, like I use on all my mutt guitars...:D
I'd be surprised if it was only 1 11/16ths...Great if you have large hands, I pretty much can't use anything else.
But the PGMs, they're little shred machines...just not a huge Ibanez fan myself.
Congrats on the score, though! :baaa:

[Nitro Express]

When I bought my first Peavey Wolfgang I tried everyone the store had. They had two that had a Les Paul Tune-O-Matic styles bridge on them and the rest had Floyd Rose type trems set up to be non floating.

The Tune-O-Matic Wolfgangs sustained like you wouldn't believe! Then when I played the Floyd equiped ones, they seemed to not sustain worth shit in comparison. All of them. I still bought the Floyd equipped model because I wanted the wiggle stick. Those non-trem Wolfies were great sounding guitars though.

I'm sure a hardtailed Ibanez would bet more sustain than one with a trem on it as well.

[naturochem]

The Injun Ibanez' play very well !! I just bought an RG for my gf's kid & the thing rips!!

If it were mine, I'd pop in some EMG's, or even Duncan's, at least in the bridge p/u....

My daily player (a number of others come out rarely..) is still my IBZ early 80's XV 500!

IMO pickups have always been the company's weak spot.

[Eddie's Booze]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
When I bought my first Peavey Wolfgang I tried everyone the store had. They had two that had a Les Paul Tune-O-Matic styles bridge on them and the rest had Floyd Rose type trems set up to be non floating.

The Tune-O-Matic Wolfgangs sustained like you wouldn't believe! Then when I played the Floyd equiped ones, they seemed to not sustain worth shit in comparison. All of them. I still bought the Floyd equipped model because I wanted the wiggle stick. Those non-trem Wolfies were great sounding guitars though.

I'm sure a hardtailed Ibanez would bet more sustain than one with a trem on it as well.

I don't like the Wolfgangs at all. I played one years ago....wasn't happening for me.

The necks on them are nasty like a really cheap ass Squire Strat. The Musicman Van Halen guitars.....I never played one of them but I know they are very Decent guitars. They had a Gotoh Locking Trem(Which are very good quality trems) and they had Dimarzio pickups.

The only pickups I like are Dimarzio's. I have an old Ibanez body here with a Set of EMG's(an EMG 89 and 2 SA's).

And when I say EMG's, I mean "REAL" EMG's. They are fantastic pickups but sound like garbage thru my soldano.

The soldano like Low or Medium pickup's only. High gain pickups and that soldano don't work well together.

As for the sustain of the PGM.......

Fucking incredible......The notes stay there:).

The whole thing with guitars and amps etc. it is a very personalised thing. Some guitars suit certain people and not others.

:)

[Gringo]

Congrats on a great guitar!

I've played one, and it sounds great with the Dimarzio's. Very clean sounding even if you play with a lot of gain.
The only thing i didn't like was the neck, because it was too thin for me. But other than that, the guitar is great!

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
Wow!!!! The PGM is a seriously good Instrument. It has the "Killer Tone". It's old School Van Halen/Yngwie vibe. The instrument is a sustain monster !


:)


That's a good way to describe it...

I've referred a few friends to these guitars in the past...

I'm not a big Ibanez fan but these are particularly nice in every way. I can't find a single fault in any one i've tried other than i've never seen a lefty...

They look cool as well...:cool:


:elvis:

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
I don't like the Wolfgangs at all. I played one years ago....wasn't happening for me.

The necks on them are nasty like a really cheap ass Squire Strat. The Musicman Van Halen guitars.....I never played one of them but I know they are very Decent guitars. They had a Gotoh Locking Trem(Which are very good quality trems) and they had Dimarzio pickups.

The only pickups I like are Dimarzio's. I have an old Ibanez body here with a Set of EMG's(an EMG 89 and 2 SA's).

And when I say EMG's, I mean "REAL" EMG's. They are fantastic pickups but sound like garbage thru my soldano.

The soldano like Low or Medium pickup's only. High gain pickups and that soldano don't work well together.

As for the sustain of the PGM.......

Fucking incredible......The notes stay there:).

The whole thing with guitars and amps etc. it is a very personalised thing. Some guitars suit certain people and not others.

:)

My favorite guitar is the Ernie Ball Axis. Never bought the VH model because they were hard to find and $$$$$$. So I guess that's why I bought a Wolfgang but I like mine. It's a black archtop.

I like the Fender U shaped neck. Give me a Fender U with a 9 inch radiouse and I'm happy. I don't need compound radiouse.

[ELVIS]

Radius, dude...;)

[cdwillis]

I don't get EMGs. Those Dimarzios should sound great. I think the PGMs come with PAF Pro/Tone Zones and the middle single is a JEM single coil. I wouldn't replace them.

I think a lot of people put too much thought into replacing the pickups that come in guitars. It's like a placebo effect. They think what they got can be better and they put new pickups in and expect it to sound better and (usually) they think they hear something better.

I just bought an old Charvel model 3 and I can't believe the harmonics and tone I got out of the stock pickup. Normally I put a Dimarzio Tone Zone in my guitars but I really dig the stock J90 (i think) it came with.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Radius, dude...;)

:lol: Correct.

[naturochem]

Originally posted by cdwillis
I don't get EMGs. Those Dimarzios should sound great. I think the PGMs come with PAF Pro/Tone Zones and the middle single is a JEM single coil. I wouldn't replace them.

I think a lot of people put too much thought into replacing the pickups that come in guitars. It's like a placebo effect. They think what they got can be better and they put new pickups in and expect it to sound better and (usually) they think they hear something better.

I just bought an old Charvel model 3 and I can't believe the harmonics and tone I got out of the stock pickup. Normally I put a Dimarzio Tone Zone in my guitars but I really dig the stock J90 (i think) it came with.

I probably jammed Super D's or Duncan's into over 30 body's since the late 70's... Then I discovered active p/u's /w ceramic magnets!

The ultra wide aperture poles relult in a fat assed tone with lightening fast attack. Oh, and unless we're playing a MAJOR gig, I don't even use a noise gate!! The 81/85 set is the quietest p/u combo I've played... & I'm usually playing through either a '90 Dual Rectifier or a '78 JCM 800, which ain't historically the most cooperative of amps!!

There's even a major difference just playing through the fuckin POD!

um..no, I don't work for EMG...:cool:

[ELVIS]

I can't get any tone out of a POD...

I can almost get my normal overdrive tone out of a Behringer Bass V-Amp Pro...


:elvis:

[Eddie's Booze]

Originally posted by ELVIS
I can't get any tone out of a POD...

I can almost get my normal overdrive tone out of a Behringer Bass V-Amp Pro...


:elvis:

Those POD's and line 6 stuff is total junk if you are a "Tone Chaser".

I guess they are ok for players who are just starting out and want something cheap and cheerful.

:D

[naturochem]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
Those POD's and line 6 stuff is total junk if you are a "Tone Chaser".

I guess they are ok for players who are just starting out and want something cheap and cheerful.

:D

Yeah, most of these FUCKS (http://line6.com/artists/index.html?utm_source=Line6Index&utm_medium=Naviga tion&utm_campaign=FeaturedArtists+DropDown) are "just starting out"...& the one's that aren't are just listed for their endorsements...:rolleyes:

[cdwillis]

I think you can get a good sound out of a pod, but not as good as an authentic tube amp. It works well enough for me in the bedroom.

[naturochem]

Originally posted by cdwillis
I think you can get a good sound out of a pod, but not as good as an authentic tube amp. It works well enough for me in the bedroom.

It certainly won't pucker an asshole like the '90 Dual Rectifier I play through live, but I've dialed in some unbelievable tone's with the XT Live...

[Eddie's Booze]

Originally posted by naturochem
Yeah, most of these FUCKS (http://line6.com/artists/index.html?utm_source=Line6Index&utm_medium=Naviga tion&utm_campaign=FeaturedArtists+DropDown) are "just starting out"...& the one's that aren't are just listed for their endorsements...:rolleyes:

All of those people are useless guitar players. Line 6 stuff is the worst built amps/effects on the market today.

:(

[Eddie's Booze]

Apart from Behringer stuff.

:D

[naturochem]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
All of those people are useless guitar players. Line 6 stuff is the worst built amps/effects on the market today.

:(

um...are you being a smart ass?

OR...
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[naturochem]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
Apart from Behringer stuff.

:D
What the fuck does Behringer have to do with Line 6?

Most of their designs are rip-offs of original equipment manufacturers.
FCC also recently filed a million$ suit against the co. for conducted/radiated US emissions violations...

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
All of those people are useless guitar players.


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[naturochem]

Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
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Ahhh.... spotted yer pal Dave on that list, eh?!?!

[naturochem]

Here's his new Line 6 project.

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[Eddie's Booze]

Originally posted by naturochem
Here's his new Line 6 project.

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Boring............:o

[naturochem]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
Boring............:o
like your dumbassed VR HOF post on the main?

Well, now we're even on the "boring one another" scale, Corky...

[Eddie's Booze]

Originally posted by naturochem
like your dumbassed VR HOF post on the main?

Well, now we're even on the "boring one another" scale, Corky...

Bottom line is Line 6 stuff is fucking Junk. I wouldn't even pay 10 cents for that Line 6 stuff Mustaine is using there.

Besides which I don't even need 4 Channels......I only need one decent fucking straight ahead guitar tone(which if I need to can be cleaned up with the Volume knobs on my guitars). Then of course just a reverb and maybe a compressor/sustainer.

Great players don't need a bunch of equipment of great gear to get great guitar sounds.

:mad:

[naturochem]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
Bottom line is Line 6 stuff is fucking Junk. I wouldn't even pay 10 cents for that Line 6 stuff Mustaine is using there.

great elucidation of your opinion... about what I expected..



Besides which I don't even need 4 Channels......I only need one decent fucking straight ahead guitar tone(which if I need to can be cleaned up with the Volume knobs on my guitars). Then of course just a reverb and maybe a compressor/sustainer.

Great players don't need a bunch of equipment of great gear to get great guitar sounds.
I'll make sure to read the reviews on your next world tour, Sparky....which I'm sure will be far more viable than that of the several hundred touring "useless guitar players" who are currently using Line 6 equipment...

[naturochem]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
All of those people are useless guitar players. Line 6 stuff is the worst built amps/effects on the market today.

Apart from Behringer stuff.
:(

You never explained how the the above two comments are related, or what the fuck "Behringer" even has to do with Line 6??

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[Panamark]

Both Behringer and Line6 have some good stuff...

Both Behringer and Line6 have some crappy stuff too...

I have some products from both at the moment.
(Along with Yamaha, Mackie, Marshall, Sony, ADA, Event, Wharfedale,
Senheisser, Shure, BOSS, Fender, Gibson, Ibanez etc
etc)

Behringer have some pretty cool rack type
processors that will do just about anything for
a decent price (If you dont mind the cheaper construction)
(I dont like their stomp boxes at all..)

Their DI boxes are pretty damn cool.. and do have
rugged construction, checkout the Ultra G GI100

Line 6 amps .. Dunno, I know dudes who love em,
but they just dont do it for me..

The POD XT is Shred Heaven through absolutely any
audio device that can amplify.. Great with headphones too..
If you want maximum overdrive, this puppy is for you..
No good for less saturated sounds though...

But given the choice of a POD or an older Marshall,
Fuck the POD..
Heck, even the old ADA MP1 craps all over the POD
for tube tone...

But, I would still consider the POD a good all round product.........


I think Behringer is good value for home use..

Wouldnt dream of gigging with em though...
I reckon you would stomp one of their stomp boxes
into plastic splinters..

Line6 POD (anything) construction is good..

My 2 cents on both manufacturers...

If Behringer used steel casings and better
quality connectors, you would pay four times the
asking price they charge now...

The electronics are pretty damn good..

So Eddies Booze, who is better in the same
price range, for the same types of gear ??

In your opinion...

[Eddie's Booze]

Originally posted by Panamark
Both Behringer and Line6 have some good stuff...

Both Behringer and Line6 have some crappy stuff too...

I have some products from both at the moment.
(Along with Yamaha, Mackie, Marshall, Sony, ADA, Event, Wharfedale,
Senheisser, Shure, BOSS, Fender, Gibson, Ibanez etc
etc)

Behringer have some pretty cool rack type
processors that will do just about anything for
a decent price (If you dont mind the cheaper construction)
(I dont like their stomp boxes at all..)

Their DI boxes are pretty damn cool.. and do have
rugged construction, checkout the Ultra G GI100

Line 6 amps .. Dunno, I know dudes who love em,
but they just dont do it for me..

The POD XT is Shred Heaven through absolutely any
audio device that can amplify.. Great with headphones too..
If you want maximum overdrive, this puppy is for you..
No good for less saturated sounds though...

But given the choice of a POD or an older Marshall,
Fuck the POD..
Heck, even the old ADA MP1 craps all over the POD
for tube tone...

But, I would still consider the POD a good all round product.........


I think Behringer is good value for home use..

Wouldnt dream of gigging with em though...
I reckon you would stomp one of their stomp boxes
into plastic splinters..

Line6 POD (anything) construction is good..

My 2 cents on both manufacturers...

If Behringer used steel casings and better
quality connectors, you would pay four times the
asking price they charge now...

The electronics are pretty damn good..

So Eddies Booze, who is better in the same
price range, for the same types of gear ??

In your opinion...

Just as bad as each other. As for the POD's......I don't like Amp Simulators. Recently I tried out a Line 6 head and Cabinet. This is the one I tried....

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-HD150-Guitar-Amp-Head-Spider-III-412-Speaker-Cabinet?sku=485062

It sounded ok actually but there are too many fucking buttons on it for my liking.

I don't have time to be pressing or pushing buttons. I just want to plug my guitar in. Turn on my Amp and get a good sound with my messing about.

The only effects I like are stuff by Boss, DOD, MXR and TC Electronics.

Boss and DOD stuff is reasonable priced, great sounding and are well made.

MXR are kinda of Expensive for what they are but are great as well.

The TC Electronics stuff is great too but too expensive.

However, When I look at buying another Rack Fx I'm going to get a used Eventide H3000, I think.

They go for about $1000 -$1500 used on Ebay.

Eventide along with TC Electronics are about the best you can get.

Behringer......I wouldn't even waste my fucking time with that stuff.

So out of Line 6 and Beringher, I'd have to go with Line 6.

The only Beringer stuff I would consider buying would be a Midi switcher and the ones they make are flimsy as hell.




:(

[Panamark]

Theres a shitload of Behringer stuff I wouldnt touch...

But they do make some cool processors that others
dont.

You know which brand I have had the worst troubles
with... Peavey !! lol...
Yet I know people who swear by em.. (I swear at them !)

[ELVIS]

A Behringer V-Amp Pro has some good tone to offer, better than any POD i've ever heard...

It's also noisy and the knobs are cheap, but they look kinda cool...

http://www.behringer.com/lx1-b/bass_vamp_range.jpg

I bought it because some of it's amp models are voiced very nicely, and do exactly what I need...

I hope they come out with a beter version...

I'll be first to try it...


:elvis:

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
Bottom line is Line 6 stuff is fucking Junk.

Not so into their amps, but the effects modelers, specifically the MM-4 and DL-4, are actually quite cool.




Great players don't need a bunch of equipment or great gear to get great guitar sounds.

:mad:

True, though it certainly helps...:D But then, when was the last time you saw a "great player" using a Squier? :rolleyes:

[Panamark]

Did Billy Squier ever play a Squier ??? (Seriously ?) :p

[ELVIS]

Jeff Healey did...

[ELVIS]

So did Dave Murray...

[Panamark]

I played one in a guitar shop once :)

[ELVIS]

I have a Squire P-Bass Special...

[Panamark]

I dont ! :p


I have an 80's model Red Ibanez Bass (Fender Copy)
its pretty cool.. I like it... Good neck, good action,
no dead spots.. Sounds like a bass guitar....lol...

I think I would go all out and get an original Fender
if I was more serious about Bass...

[ELVIS]

I have this (http://www.rickenbacker.com/gallery_image.asp?archive_id=2050&gallery_year=1980) exact bass in a lefty with the triangle block inlays on the fretboard...

[ELVIS]

Mine also has black binding on the body...

lefty Ric basses are cool because they all have right hand headstocks...

[Panamark]

Originally posted by ELVIS
I have this (http://www.rickenbacker.com/gallery_image.asp?archive_id=2050&gallery_year=1980) exact bass in a lefty with the triangle block inlays on the fretboard...

Sweet !

Very Metal :D

Even the headstock oozes moshness..
Gimme one mate !!!