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LoungeMachine
10-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Columbus Day Celebration? Think Again...
by Thom Hartmann

"Gold is most excellent; gold constitutes treasure; and he who has it does all he wants in the world, and can even lift souls up to Paradise."
-- Christopher Columbus, 1503 letter to the king and queen of Spain.

"Christopher Columbus not only opened the door to a New World, but also set an example for us all by showing what monumental feats can be accomplished through perseverance and faith."
--George H.W. Bush, 1989 speech

If you fly over the country of Haiti on the island of Hispaniola, the island on which Columbus landed, it looks like somebody took a blowtorch and burned away anything green. Even the ocean around the port capital of Port au Prince is choked for miles with the brown of human sewage and eroded topsoil. From the air, it looks like a lava flow spilling out into the sea.

The history of this small island is, in many ways, a microcosm for what's happening in the whole world.

When Columbus first landed on Hispaniola in 1492, virtually the entire island was covered by lush forest. The Taino "Indians" who loved there had an apparently idyllic life prior to Columbus, from the reports left to us by literate members of Columbus's crew such as Miguel Cuneo.

When Columbus and his crew arrived on their second visit to Hispaniola, however, they took captive about two thousand local villagers who had come out to greet them. Cuneo wrote: "When our caravels… where to leave for Spain, we gathered…one thousand six hundred male and female persons of those Indians, and these we embarked in our caravels on February 17, 1495…For those who remained, we let it be known (to the Spaniards who manned the island's fort) in the vicinity that anyone who wanted to take some of them could do so, to the amount desired, which was done."

Cuneo further notes that he himself took a beautiful teenage Carib girl as his personal slave, a gift from Columbus himself, but that when he attempted to have sex with her, she "resisted with all her strength." So, in his own words, he "thrashed her mercilessly and raped her."

While Columbus once referred to the Taino Indians as cannibals, a story made up by Columbus - which is to this day still taught in some US schools - to help justify his slaughter and enslavement of these people. He wrote to the Spanish monarchs in 1493: "It is possible, with the name of the Holy Trinity, to sell all the slaves which it is possible to sell…Here there are so many of these slaves, and also brazilwood, that although they are living things they are as good as gold…"

Columbus and his men also used the Taino as sex slaves: it was a common reward for Columbus' men for him to present them with local women to rape. As he began exporting Taino as slaves to other parts of the world, the sex-slave trade became an important part of the business, as Columbus wrote to a friend in 1500: "A hundred castellanoes (a Spanish coin) are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten (years old) are now in demand."

However, the Taino turned out not to be particularly good workers in the plantations that the Spaniards and later the French established on

Hispaniola: they resented their lands and children being taken, and attempted to fight back against the invaders. Since the Taino where obviously standing in the way of Spain's progress, Columbus sought to impose discipline on them. For even a minor offense, an Indian's nose or ear was cut off, se he could go back to his village to impress the people with the brutality the Spanish were capable of. Columbus attacked them with dogs, skewered them with pikes, and shot them.

Eventually, life for the Taino became so unbearable that, as Pedro de Cordoba wrote to King Ferdinand in a 1517 letter, "As a result of the sufferings and hard labor they endured, the Indians choose and have chosen suicide. Occasionally a hundred have committed mass suicide. The women, exhausted by labor, have shunned conception and childbirth… Many, when pregnant, have taken something to abort and have aborted. Others after delivery have killed their children with their own hands, so as not to leave them in such oppressive slavery."

Eventually, Columbus and later his brother Bartholomew Columbus who he left in charge of the island, simply resorted to wiping out the Taino altogether. Prior to Columbus' arrival, some scholars place the population of Haiti/Hispaniola (now at 16 million) at around 1.5 to 3 million people. By 1496, it was down to 1.1 million, according to a census done by Bartholomew Columbus. By 1516, the indigenous population was 12,000, and according to Las Casas (who were there) by 1542 fewer than 200 natives were alive. By 1555, every single one was dead.

This wasn't just the story of Hispaniola; the same has been done to indigenous peoples worldwide. Slavery, apartheid, and the entire concept of conservative Darwinian Economics, have been used to justify continued suffering by masses of human beings.

Dr. Jack Forbes, Professor of Native American Studies at the University of California at Davis and author of the brilliant book "Columbus and Other Cannibals," uses the Native American word wétiko (pronounced WET-ee-ko) to describe the collection of beliefs that would produce behavior like that of Columbus. Wétiko literally means "cannibal," and Forbes uses it quite intentionally to describe these standards of culture: we "eat" (consume) other humans by destroying them, destroying their lands, taking their natural resources, and consuming their life-force by enslaving them either physically or economically. The story of Columbus and the Taino is just one example.

We live in a culture that includes the principle that if somebody else has something we need, and they won't give it to us, and we have the means to kill them to get it, it's not unreasonable to go get it, using whatever force we need to.

In the United States, the first "Indian war" in New England was the "Pequot War of 1636," in which colonists surrounded the largest of the Pequot villages, set it afire as the sun began to rise, and then performed their duty: they shot everybody-men, women, children, and the elderly-who tried to escape. As Puritan colonist William Bradford described the scene: "It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fire and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stink and scent thereof; but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they [the colonists] gave praise therof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully..."

The Narragansetts, up to that point "friends" of the colonists, were so shocked by this example of European-style warfare that they refused further alliances with the whites. Captain John Underhill ridiculed the Narragansetts for their unwillingness to engage in genocide, saying Narragansett wars with other tribes were "more for pastime, than to conquer and subdue enemies."

In that, Underhill was correct: the Narragansett form of war, like that of most indigenous Older Culture peoples, and almost all Native American tribes, does not have extermination of the opponent as a goal. After all, neighbors are necessary to trade with, to maintain a strong gene pool through intermarriage, and to insure cultural diversity. Most tribes wouldn't even want the lands of others, because they would have concerns about violating or entering the sacred or spirit-filled areas of the other tribes. Even the killing of "enemies" is not most often the goal of tribal "wars": It's most often to fight to some pre-determined measure of "victory" such as seizing a staff, crossing a particular line, or the first wounding or surrender of the opponent.

This wétiko type of theft and warfare is practiced daily by farmers and ranchers worldwide against wolves, coyotes, insects, animals and trees of the rainforest; and against indigenous tribes living in the jungles and rainforests. It is our way of life. It comes out of our foundational cultural notions. So it should not surprise us that with the doubling of the world's population over the past 37 years has come an explosion of violence and brutality, and as the United States runs low on oil, we are now fighting wars in oil-rich parts of the world.

That is, after all, our history, which we celebrate on Columbus Day. It need not be our future.

Excerpted and slightly edited from "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight: The Fate of the World and What We Can Do Before It's Too Late" by Thom Hartmann. www.thomhartmann.com

:cool:

Satan
10-08-2007, 03:54 PM
I can't understand how this fucking idiot gets the credit for "discovering" America.

He thought he was going to India, still thought he was in India when he got there (and indigenous people of this hemisphere are called "Indians" to this day because of it)

He left not knowing where he had been, and came back two more times still looking for fucking India. And as the above account says, the dumb son of a bitch NEVER even set foot on the North American continent.

Fuck Columbus. That idiot didn't discover shit! :mad:

bastardog
10-08-2007, 03:59 PM
As a person who live in one of the small islands that Colón (or Colombus as you translated it) discovered and basically killed their original habitants, I will say:

It is a holiday (free of work here) so who cares of that obscure past while been sleeping late and doing nothing?

PlexiBrown
10-08-2007, 04:00 PM
Pretty much everything is bullshit.

Nickdfresh
10-08-2007, 04:28 PM
http://www.the13thstory.com/krg/HomelandSecurity1492.jpg

Unchainme
10-08-2007, 05:03 PM
Shhhh! It's a dayoff, please don't ruin this for me..;)

LoungeMachine
10-08-2007, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Pretty much everything is bullshit.

Such as?

:rolleyes:

Satan
10-08-2007, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Unchainme
Shhhh! It's a dayoff, please don't ruin this for me..;)

Your state named a fucking city after the dumb son of a bitch!

Apparently they couldn't figure out how to mark the halfway point between Cleveland and Cincinnati without another city that starts with "C".

LoungeMachine
10-08-2007, 06:13 PM
another city?

Please, for all that is unholy, do NOT refer to Cleveland as a "city"

:gulp:

Hardrock69
10-09-2007, 11:13 PM
LMFAO!!!

"Happy Raping THe Slaves Day"

:D :D :D

Funniest thread title I have seen in some time.

*ahem*

Ok I will weigh in on this subject.

1. Columbus did NOT 'discover' America. Native Americans were already here, and not only that, Viking runestones centuries older have been discovered on this continent.

2. America was not necessarily named after Amerigo Vespucci as so many textbooks moronically claim.

In Iraq, there is a sect known as the Mandeans, who trace their origins back to John The Baptist, and who were also known as "Nasoreans" (of which Jesus was possibly associated).

They believed in a land across the ocean to the West, that was idyllic, and which was marked by the evening star (the Star Of The West - known in modern times as the planet Venus).

Their name for the Western Star was 'Merica.

Ok so perhaps that is coincidence, but the fact remains, that name was associated with this continent 1500 years before Columbus ever came near here.

However, in the era around the 1490s, new lands were named after a person's LAST name. Not their first.

If the Americas were named after Amerigo Vespucci, they would have been called Vesupicciland or some shit.

There is another theory that America was named after Richard Amerike (or Ameriyck). He was financing fishermen who had an operation on the island of Newfoundland in 1480...12 YEARS before Columbus ever showed up here, and 19 YEARS before Vespucci ever floated his ass around the Eastern coast of SOUTH America from 1499 to 1502.

Ameryk was the chief investor in the second transatlantic voyage of John Cabot (the English name taken by the Genoese navigator Giovanni Caboto). Caboto made two voyages in 1497 and 1498, which were the foundation of the British claim to Canada. He had been authorised by Henry VII to "search for unknown lands to the West". He reached the coast of Labrador in May 1497 and became the first recorded European to set foot on American soil - two years before Vespucci got there.

Furthermore, read the first paragraph of the Wikipedia entry about Vespucci:


Amerigo Vespucci (March 9, 1454 - February 22, 1512) was an Italian merchant, explorer and cartographer. He played a senior role in two voyages which explored the east coast of South America between 1499 and 1502. On the second of these voyages he discovered that South America extended much further south than before known by the Europeans. This convinced him that this land was part of a new continent, a bold contention at a time when other European explorers crossing the Atlantic thought they were reaching Asia (the "Indies"). Vespucci's voyages became widely known in Europe after two accounts attributed to him were published between 1502 and 1504. In 1507, Martin Waldseemüller produced a world map on which he named the new continent "America" after Vespucci's first name, Amerigo. In an accompanying book, Waldseemüller published one of the Vespucci accounts, which led to criticism that Vespucci was trying to usurp Christopher Columbus's glory. However, the rediscovery in the 18th century of other letters by Vespucci has led to the view that the early published accounts were fabrications, not by Vespucci, but by others.



Oh well.


Happy Raping The Slaves day everyone!

Ooops...that was yesterday.


Happy Day After Raping The Slaves Day!
:D

FORD
10-09-2007, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69

In the Iraq, there is a sect known as the Mandeans, who trace their origins back to John The Baptist, and who were also known as "Nasoreans" (of which Jesus was possibly associated).

They believed in a land across the ocean to the West, that was idyllic, and which was marked by the evening star (the Star Of The West - known in modern times as the planet Venus).

Their name for the Western Star was 'Merica.



Does that mean that Joseph Smith might have been right after all?? (About the whole "Nephites and Lamanites were lost tribes of Israel" thing)

Warham
10-09-2007, 11:26 PM
Everybody's got skeletons in their closet. As an example, we could pick on our founding fathers all day long too.

It's just a way to give postal workers another day off. :)

Hardrock69
10-09-2007, 11:32 PM
Hey so are we supposed to buy a slave and then rape her to celebrate this fine bank holiday?
:D

Nickdfresh
10-09-2007, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by WAR
Everybody's got skeletons in their closet. As an example, we could pick on our founding fathers all day long too.

It's just a way to give postal workers another day off. :)

If only you were so understanding when it came to Bill Clinton...

Warham
10-09-2007, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
If only you were so understanding when it came to Bill Clinton...

I can be at times. He has a certain charisma that I find alarming, if not very effective.

I've always given him credit for marrying Hillary.

LoungeMachine
10-09-2007, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by WAR

I've always given him credit for marrying Hillary.

Credit?

Sympathy was the word you were looking for.....

:gulp:

Seshmeister
10-10-2007, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Does that mean that Joseph Smith might have been right after all?? (About the whole "Nephites and Lamanites were lost tribes of Israel" thing)

Not according to DNA but when did facts ever bother Mormonism?

Warham
10-10-2007, 12:05 AM
Clinton would have been good at selling cars if he weren't a politician. :)

Nickdfresh
10-10-2007, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by WAR
I can be at times. He has a certain charisma that I find alarming, if not very effective.

I've always given him credit for marrying Hillary.

So your complaint is that he was very good at his chosen profession?

Nitro Express
10-10-2007, 04:43 AM
I'm of Norwegian decent and Eric the Red discovered America before fucking Columbus. We did no damage. In fact, we fucking left and went back home.

We should have an Eric the Red day where we can all get drunk and fuck.

Nitro Express
10-10-2007, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Does that mean that Joseph Smith might have been right after all?? (About the whole "Nephites and Lamanites were lost tribes of Israel" thing)

Yeah, but the Jaradite came before Lehi's seed in those dish shaped submarines. :D

Don't knock Joseph. He died a rich man and was getting plenty of ass. His wife wasn't dumb, she said he could get ass as long as all the church assets were put into her name. One reasone Brigham Young hated her.

Warham
10-10-2007, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
So your complaint is that he was very good at his chosen profession?

No, I've only claimed he was an average president. Being very charismatic doesn't necessarily mean you are a good president.

Ellyllions
10-10-2007, 07:44 AM
Yeap, it's funny that as we get older and have the opportunity to seek out history for ourselves that we come to see how eskew our school history was actually.

Why are we taught wrong facts like Chris Columbus discovered America? Easier?

Hardrock69
10-10-2007, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Nitro Express
I'm of Norwegian decent and Eric the Red discovered America before fucking Columbus. We did no damage. In fact, we fucking left and went back home.

We should have an Eric the Red day where we can all get drunk and fuck.

Now THAT is a fantastic idea!

:D

scamper
10-10-2007, 09:20 AM
Is there a country that didn't have a hand in some sort of slavery?

Ellyllions
10-10-2007, 09:23 AM
NO

FORD
10-10-2007, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by scamper
Is there a country that didn't have a hand in some sort of slavery?

Switzerland??

They usually stay out of this kind of shit.

LoungeMachine
10-10-2007, 05:50 PM
Canada?

Or did they enslave the inuit?

Nickdfresh
10-10-2007, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Switzerland??

They usually stay out of this kind of shit.

But they produced ammunition for the Nazis as well as laundering gold stolen by the Germans during WWII...

And they also threw Jews back across the border, sending them to their deaths...

And then there are the Swiss Guards mercenaries, so brutal and effective they were banned from warfare...

Not every country engaged in slavery per sea, but almost every one has a proverbial skeleton in their closet...

Lqskdiver
10-10-2007, 06:45 PM
Buncha fucking scholars in here....

I thought Columbus discovered the earth wasn't flat and paved the way for the rest of the clan to cross the pond.

LoungeMachine
10-10-2007, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by Lqskdiver
Buncha fucking scholars in here....

I thought Columbus discovered the earth wasn't flat and paved the way for the rest of the clan to cross the pond.

Silly,

That was Columbo.

You know, the detective in the rumpled trench coat....

:gulp:

FORD
10-10-2007, 07:41 PM
I believe that Leonardo DaVinci had that figured out, that the world wasn't flat.

As usual though, the Catholic church suppressed such a theory which would have disagreed with a 4,000 year old Bible verse which implied that the earth had 4 corners, and they insisted on taking it literally.

Redballjets88
10-10-2007, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
LMFAO!!!

"Happy Raping THe Slaves Day"

:D :D :D

Funniest thread title I have seen in some time.

*ahem*

Ok I will weigh in on this subject.

1. Columbus did NOT 'discover' America. Native Americans were already here, and not only that, Viking runestones centuries older have been discovered on this continent.

2. America was not necessarily named after Amerigo Vespucci as so many textbooks moronically claim.

In Iraq, there is a sect known as the Mandeans, who trace their origins back to John The Baptist, and who were also known as "Nasoreans" (of which Jesus was possibly associated).

They believed in a land across the ocean to the West, that was idyllic, and which was marked by the evening star (the Star Of The West - known in modern times as the planet Venus).

Their name for the Western Star was 'Merica.

Ok so perhaps that is coincidence, but the fact remains, that name was associated with this continent 1500 years before Columbus ever came near here.

However, in the era around the 1490s, new lands were named after a person's LAST name. Not their first.

If the Americas were named after Amerigo Vespucci, they would have been called Vesupicciland or some shit.

There is another theory that America was named after Richard Amerike (or Ameriyck). He was financing fishermen who had an operation on the island of Newfoundland in 1480...12 YEARS before Columbus ever showed up here, and 19 YEARS before Vespucci ever floated his ass around the Eastern coast of SOUTH America from 1499 to 1502.

Ameryk was the chief investor in the second transatlantic voyage of John Cabot (the English name taken by the Genoese navigator Giovanni Caboto). Caboto made two voyages in 1497 and 1498, which were the foundation of the British claim to Canada. He had been authorised by Henry VII to "search for unknown lands to the West". He reached the coast of Labrador in May 1497 and became the first recorded European to set foot on American soil - two years before Vespucci got there.

Furthermore, read the first paragraph of the Wikipedia entry about Vespucci:





Oh well.


Happy Raping The Slaves day everyone!

Ooops...that was yesterday.


Happy Day After Raping The Slaves Day!
:D

We went over this whole America thing in my American History class. My professor said that Vespucci was a map maker that was mapping out the "new world". In this time most map makers did not put their names on the maps. Vespucci was one of the few that did. He signed his name very boldly (i.e. John Hancock) So when the naming of the new world came around and they were looking through maps they used Amerigo because his name was one that constantly showed up

I don't know if this is the 100% truth on the subject, but it is interesting none the less.

Warham
10-10-2007, 08:45 PM
The Bible always said the Earth was round (a circle), but also stated that it had four corners (placing a sphere inside a box).

The church simply misinterpreted the scriptures. Fallible humans.

Seshmeister
10-10-2007, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Switzerland??

They usually stay out of this kind of shit.

You could argue that by handling the profits of slave labor during WWII they aren't whiter than white so to speak...

Seshmeister
10-10-2007, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by FORD
I believe that Leonardo DaVinci had that figured out, that the world wasn't flat.

As usual though, the Catholic church suppressed such a theory which would have disagreed with a 4,000 year old Bible verse which implied that the earth had 4 corners, and they insisted on taking it literally.

I think you are getting mixed up with Galileo saying that the Earth went around the sun and getting done for heresy for it.

It was common knowlege since ancient Greek times that the Earth was round and not flat, accepted by even the early Christian church.


Cheers!

:gulp:

Seshmeister
10-10-2007, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by WAR
The Bible always said the Earth was round (a circle), but also stated that it had four corners (placing a sphere inside a box).

The church simply misinterpreted the scriptures. Fallible humans.

Last time I looked it isn't in a box?

Redballjets88
10-10-2007, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by WAR
The Bible always said the Earth was round (a circle), but also stated that it had four corners (placing a sphere inside a box).

The church simply misinterpreted the scriptures. Fallible humans.

I love that vid of ron paul.

Although some of his liberatarian views i do not agree with, such as no CIA etc.

The thing is congress would never let him dissolve the CIA or FBI or IRS so I see that as a non issue.

And he pretty much owned the other canidates and called them out are their bullshit partisanship

Warham
10-10-2007, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Last time I looked it isn't in a box?

Symbolic, Sesh.

It's referring to angels gathering the elect. They go to the four corners of the Earth, meaning EVERYWHERE on Earth.

;)

Warham
10-10-2007, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
I love that vid of ron paul.

Although some of his liberatarian views i do not agree with, such as no CIA etc.

The thing is congress would never let him dissolve the CIA or FBI or IRS so I see that as a non issue.

And he pretty much owned the other canidates and called them out are their bullshit partisanship

He had some good stuff last night, too. I'll have to post it when I find it.

FORD
10-11-2007, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
I love that vid of ron paul.

Although some of his liberatarian views i do not agree with, such as no CIA etc.



That's because you buy the myth of the CIA rather than the reality. Even when the CIA was being formed in the late 1940's, President Truman referred to it as a "tool of Wall Street Bankers" as opposed to a legitmate intelligence gathering agency of the US government.

Truman was absolutely right. The founders of the CIA were the exact same bunch that funded Adolf Hitler, including The Dulles brothers, the Harrimans, the Browns, and everyone's favorite grandpa, Prescott Bush.

The whole Bay of Pigs fiasco was planned, not because Castro was bad for the Cuban people, or even because they didn't want a Soviet client state so close to the US mainland, but because the BCE and their friends were making lots of money from the previous Batista dictatorship. And so it goes with most governments overthrown by the BCE up to and including Iraq. It's about profits for them and their friends, not about national security or any other such bullshit.

We need the CIA like we need Van Hagar.

Redballjets88
10-11-2007, 12:39 AM
What I meant by my statement is that I feel we need an intellegence agency. Sure the CIA sucks balls and are shitty, but totally dissolving any form of governmental intellegence gathering would be foolish

FORD
10-11-2007, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
What I meant by my statement is that I feel we need an intellegence agency. Sure the CIA sucks balls and are shitty, but totally dissolving any form of governmental intellegence gathering would be foolish

Did you happen to see the 60 Minutes interview with the Interpol guy?

Maybe that's where the focus should be? Legitmate law enforcement from countries all over the world working together and sharing info, and not trying to paint terrorism as some bullshit "war",

Seshmeister
10-11-2007, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
What I meant by my statement is that I feel we need an intellegence agency. Sure the CIA sucks balls and are shitty, but totally dissolving any form of governmental intellegence gathering would be foolish

Do you not already pay billions for the NSA to do that?

Nickdfresh
10-11-2007, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by FORD
That's because you buy the myth of the CIA rather than the reality. Even when the CIA was being formed in the late 1940's, President Truman referred to it as a "tool of Wall Street Bankers" as opposed to a legitmate intelligence gathering agency of the US government.

Truman was absolutely right. The founders of the CIA were the exact same bunch that funded Adolf Hitler, including The Dulles brothers, the Harrimans, the Browns, and everyone's favorite grandpa, Prescott Bush.

The whole Bay of Pigs fiasco was planned, not because Castro was bad for the Cuban people, or even because they didn't want a Soviet client state so close to the US mainland, but because the BCE and their friends were making lots of money from the previous Batista dictatorship. And so it goes with most governments overthrown by the BCE up to and including Iraq. It's about profits for them and their friends, not about national security or any other such bullshit.

We need the CIA like we need Van Hagar.

Ford, your alternative conspirahistory is full of shit. The "founders" of the CIA were members of the OSS which fought Hitler and included communists and socialists within their ranks throughout WWII. And I'd love to see that quote by Truman from an actual verifiable historical source...And BTW, "The Military-Industrial Complex" Ike and Kennedy were neck deep in trying to get rid of Castro. Batista was a torturing, murder cunt. But so was Castro and Che, who chose to cast their lot with autocrats in the USSR rather than following a democratic socialist path advocated by many in their revolution...

LoungeMachine
10-11-2007, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Do you not already pay billions for the NSA to do that?

Actually, we never know how much we pay....

NSA is black ops, and off budget, I believe...

I'm sure Nick will correct me if I'm wrong. ;)

LoungeMachine
10-11-2007, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Redballjets88


Sure the CIA sucks balls and are shitty,



And you wonder why you can't get anyone to take you seriously in here...

:rolleyes:

Lqskdiver
10-11-2007, 02:52 PM
Geezuz, you guys are worst than a bunch of socialites at a cocktail party....STAY ON FUCKING TOPIC OR START ANOTHER THREAD!!

Columbus Day is really celebrated because the bloke found another continent, the Americas...plain and simple. This triggered the wave of explorations by the rest of the Pond Scum known as Europeans. Later, Chevy Chase took his family to Europe in hopes of reestabling the connection between himself and his siblings.

Sheeeeiiiit...you guys gotta turn every thread in hea' into politics and stuff.

;)