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LoungeMachine
10-15-2007, 01:59 PM
By Ellen Nakashima and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, October 13, 2007;



A former Qwest Communications International executive, appealing a conviction for insider trading, has alleged that the government withdrew opportunities for contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars after Qwest refused to participate in an unidentified National Security Agency program that the company thought might be illegal.

Former chief executive Joseph P. Nacchio, convicted in April of 19 counts of insider trading, said the NSA approached Qwest more than six months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to court documents unsealed in Denver this week.

Details about the alleged NSA program have been redacted from the documents, but Nacchio's lawyer said last year that the NSA had approached the company about participating in a warrantless surveillance program to gather information about Americans' phone records.

In the court filings disclosed this week, Nacchio suggests that Qwest's refusal to take part in that program led the government to cancel a separate, lucrative contract with the NSA in retribution. He is using the allegation to try to show why his stock sale should not have been considered improper.

Nacchio was convicted for selling shares of Qwest stock in early 2001, just before financial problems caused the company's share price to tumble. He has claimed in court papers that he had been optimistic that Qwest would overcome weak sales because of the expected top-secret contract with the government. Nacchio said he was forbidden to mention the specifics during the trial because of secrecy restrictions, but the judge ruled that the issue was irrelevant to the charges against him.

Nacchio's account, which places the NSA proposal at a meeting on Feb. 27, 2001, suggests that the Bush administration was seeking to enlist telecommunications firms in programs without court oversight before the terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon. The Sept. 11 attacks have been cited by the government as the main impetus for its warrantless surveillance efforts.

The allegations could affect the debate on Capitol Hill over whether telecoms sued for disclosing customers' phone records and other data to the government after the Sept. 11 attacks should be given legal immunity, even if they did not have court authorization to do so.

Spokesmen for the Justice Department, the NSA, the White House and the director of national intelligence declined to comment, citing the ongoing legal case against Nacchio and the classified nature of the NSA's activities. Federal filings in the appeal have not yet been disclosed.

In May 2006, USA Today reported that the NSA had been secretly collecting the phone-call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by major telecom firms. Qwest, it reported, declined to participate because of fears that the program lacked legal standing.

In a statement released after the story was published, Nacchio attorney Herbert Stern said that in fall 2001, Qwest was approached to give the government access to the private phone records of Qwest customers. At the time, Nacchio was chairman of the president's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee.

"Mr. Nacchio made inquiry as to whether a warrant or other legal process had been secured in support of that request," Stern said. "When he learned that no such authority had been granted and that there was a disinclination on the part of the authorities to use any legal process, including the Special Court which had been established to handle such matters, Mr. Nacchio concluded that these requests violated the privacy requirements of the Telecommunications Act."

Stern could not be reached for comment yesterday. Another lawyer for Nacchio, Jeffrey Speiser, declined to comment on whether the call-records program was the program discussed at the February 2001 meeting.

In a May 25, 2007, order, U.S. District Judge Edward W. Nottingham wrote that Nacchio has asserted that "Qwest entered into two classified contracts valued at hundreds of millions of dollars, without a competitive bidding process and that in 2000 and 2001, he participated in discussion with high-ranking [redacted] representatives concerning the possibility of awarding additional contracts of a similar nature." He wrote, "Those discussions led him to believe that [redacted] would award Qwest contracts valued at amounts that would more than offset the negative warnings he was receiving about Qwest's financial prospects."

The newly released court documents say that, on Feb. 27, 2001, Nacchio and James Payne, then Qwest's senior vice president of government systems, met with NSA officials at Fort Meade, expecting to discuss "Groundbreaker," a project to outsource the NSA's non-mission-critical systems.

The men came out of the meeting "with optimism about the prospect for 2001 revenue from NSA," according to an April 9, 2007, court filing by Nacchio's lawyers that was disclosed this week.

But the filing also claims that Nacchio "refused" to participate in some unidentified program or activity because it was possibly illegal and that the NSA later "expressed disappointment" about Qwest's decision.

"Nacchio said it was a legal issue and that they could not do something that their general counsel told them not to do. . . . Nacchio projected that he might do it if they could find a way to do it legally," the filing said.

Mike German, policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the documents show "that there is more to this story about the government's relationship with the telecoms than what the administration has admitted to."

Kurt Opsahl, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said: "It's inappropriate for the government to be awarding a contract conditioned upon an agreement to an illegal program. That truly is what's going on here."

The foundation has sued AT&T, charging that it violated privacy laws by cooperating with the government's warrantless surveillance program.

Staff researcher Richard Drezen contributed to this report.

LoungeMachine
10-15-2007, 02:02 PM
So, IF the warrantless wiretapping was for rooting out terrorists, and NOT to eavesdrop on Democrats [Orrin Hatch, anyone?]

One would think they may have overheard chatter to and/or from the hijackers that were already here...

Therefore, perhaps BushCO did indeed have prior knowledge.

FORD
10-15-2007, 03:03 PM
Yeah, I can't think of any good explanation for this, that isn't going to make the BCE look really guilty.

But I'm sure the whore media will come up with one.

And though I will give Qwest credit for doing the right thing in ths instance, they still suck ass.

Warham
10-15-2007, 04:10 PM
Maybe they were doing it before he took office.

LoungeMachine
10-15-2007, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by WAR
Maybe they were doing it before he took office.


:lol:

A variation the good old "but, Clinton"

Warham is back !!!

;)

Warham
10-15-2007, 04:36 PM
I'm not blaming Clinton, I'm blaming the CIA and FBI for doing things they probably shouldn't be doing. I don't for a second believe that they just started doing this stuff after Bush was inaugurated.

LoungeMachine
10-15-2007, 04:38 PM
I do.

:cool:

Warham
10-15-2007, 04:40 PM
I believe the government knows more about it's citizens than it lets on.

It might be conspiratorial thinking, I know, but I don't doubt it for a minute.

The wiretapping thing is just the tip of the iceberg.

LoungeMachine
10-15-2007, 04:45 PM
Couldn't agree more....

But this current administration is the most blatant abusers in history...

They'd make J. Edgar Hoover blush.

Nickdfresh
10-15-2007, 05:52 PM
http://www.thesmokehammer.com/images/bush_head2.jpg
"I am not a crook..."

FORD
10-15-2007, 06:11 PM
http://www.visitingdc.com/images/richard-nixon-picture.jpg
Like Hell you're not!!
And quit stealing my material.

ODShowtime
10-15-2007, 07:25 PM
Nacchio was convicted for selling shares of Qwest stock in early 2001, just before financial problems caused the company's share price to tumble. He has claimed in court papers that he had been optimistic that Qwest would overcome weak sales because of the expected top-secret contract with the government.

I haven't read up on this, but I wonder if this guy's conviction for insider trading isn't some sort of retribution for saying "no" to gw&friends?

could be

But either way, it's interesting how his lawyer claims that the feds were disinclined to go through the established legal measures.


Nacchio attorney Herbert Stern said
"Mr. Nacchio made inquiry as to whether a warrant or other legal process had been secured in support of that request," Stern said. "When he learned that no such authority had been granted and that there was a disinclination on the part of the authorities to use any legal process, including the Special Court which had been established to handle such matters, Mr. Nacchio concluded that these requests violated the privacy requirements of the Telecommunications Act."

I'd like to hear one good reason why they needed to circumvent the secret court!

Blackflag
10-16-2007, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine

Therefore, perhaps BushCO did indeed have prior knowledge.

That's a bit of a leap in logic.

LoungeMachine
10-16-2007, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Blackflag
That's a bit of a leap in logic.

Don't disagree,,,,,

But it starts to make the "official" story look even more suspect.

Incompetent, or complacent....

Either way, they're criminally negligent in my opinion

Nickdfresh
10-16-2007, 12:00 PM
I suspect the Bush Admin knew a good deal about terrorist plots before 9/11, and did little or nothing to stop them...

LoungeMachine
10-16-2007, 12:05 PM
exactly.

And the more that is revealed, the more OBVIOUS it becomes....

The real truth will start to be exposed after Jan, 2009.

There's way too much for it all to be just coincidence.

Warham
10-16-2007, 03:41 PM
They should have known about 9/11 prior to 9/11.

With all the remote viewers and occult activity going on in the bowels of Washington DC, they should have had Miss Cleo able to psychically sniff out the plot years earlier.

Blackflag
10-16-2007, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine

Either way, they're criminally negligent in my opinion

(It's tinfoil time again.)

Is it possible? Sure, anything is possible. But if you were to establish negligence, you'd need some evidence that they knew about it. Do we have any evidence other than tapping everybody's phone and internet? Internet drivel notwithstanding, of course.

I'm of the opinion that they were too incompetent to know about it beforehand. That they were tapping every phone in the country doesn't rebut that...quite the contrary, when you think about it.

Nickdfresh
10-17-2007, 06:10 PM
From: The Smoking Gun (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0412042phoenix1.html)
APRIL 12--Two months before the September 11 attacks, FBI agent Kenneth Williams sent the below memo to bureau brass in Washington and New York warning that a cadre of Osama bin Laden disciples might be training at U.S. flight schools in preparation for future "terror activity against civil aviation targets." Williams suggested a nationwide FBI review to determine whether such a "coordinated effort" could be seen in other localities. The Williams memo was roundly ignored, of course, until after the World Trade Center was leveled. (8 pages)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0412042phoenix1.gif

Nickdfresh
10-17-2007, 06:16 PM
BTW, one of the arguments employed by the sycophants of the Bush admin. is that there was a "Wall" of politically correct privacy laws separating the FBI and CIA and preventing them from sharing information on al Qaeda. Of course, illegal spying by the administration would completely undermine that argument, since, they didn't really seem to care about any annoying laws when they could justify disregarding and breaking them on the grounds of nat'l security...