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Nitro Express
10-18-2007, 06:40 AM
These are kind of funny in a Tokyo Rose kind of way.

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FORD
10-18-2007, 03:09 PM
Leave it to MEMRI to "catapult the propaganda".

For those who aren't aware of it, MEMRI.org is the project of PNAC founders David & Meyrav Wuermser, along with Daniel "Crack" Pipes, who thinks of Muslims in exactly the same terms Hitler thought of Jews.

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 03:16 PM
The Iranian Jib-Jab

VanHalener
10-18-2007, 03:18 PM
I have two words for Iran

FUCK YOU!

Jim Shetterlini
10-18-2007, 03:18 PM
I betcha they weren't made by the Iranian students that protested their own country and its' leadership last week.... ???????

VanHalener
10-18-2007, 03:19 PM
I have two more words for Iran

Thermonuclear detonation

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by VanHalener
I have two more words for Iran

Thermonuclear detonation


:rolleyes:

Thank you for being the stereotypical, hypocritical, stupid American

Somebody was bound to do it, and you stepped forward.

FORD
10-18-2007, 03:40 PM
The Abu Dhabi Kids Network puts out much better cartoons anyway.....

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VanHalener
10-18-2007, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
:rolleyes:

Thank you for being the stereotypical, hypocritical, stupid American

Somebody was bound to do it, and you stepped forward.

Thanks!

I am neither stereotypical or hypocritical. I am stupid for drinking so much last night. What a jam session!!!!

Think what you want Lounge.

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LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by VanHalener



Think what you want Lounge.


Think about who is the only country to drop 2 nukes on civilian populations...

Then think about us allowing India to develop nukes...

Then think about Pakistan, far from a stable ally, to have nukes...

Then think about Israel having nukes, and the capability to deliver them to Iran.

Now think about if YOU were an IRANIAN.

Would you, or would you not want the same technology?

Be honest.

:gulp:

Warham
10-18-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Think about who is the only country to drop 2 nukes on civilian populations...

Then think about us allowing India to develop nukes...

Then think about Pakistan, far from a stable ally, to have nukes...

Then think about Israel having nukes, and the capability to deliver them to Iran.

Now think about if YOU were an IRANIAN.

Would you, or would you not want the same technology?

Be honest.

:gulp:

It's not about what they want. Do YOU want them to have nukes?

VanHalener
10-18-2007, 04:37 PM
Of Course I would. I always want superior firepower over my enemies.
However, I simply want to bail out of any debate over Iran (at this time).

I have a tender spot when it comes to Iran, and with this hangover I am nursing I am in no way fit to debate with the Lounge.

I know there are many, many good people there and I truly wish THEM no harm. Their government is my enemy, along with all others in and out of uniform in Iran who seek the destruction of the U.S. and MANY other nations.

The first strikes will be done by Israel anyway. The rest of us will be dragged in from there.

Peace, and a piece of ass unto you brotha...

I'm off to romp through the Roth Army.....
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LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by WAR
It's not about what they want. Do YOU want them to have nukes?

I dont want Israel or India or Pakistan to have nukes...

Where was your outrage then?

And why dont YOU answer my question.

If you were the leader of Iran, wouldnt you want them?

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by WAR
It's not about what they want.

That's pretty naive thinking on your part.

It IS abouit what they want, and ehy.

And until you and your ilk accept that, you'll never learn.

DONT YOU SEE HOW STUPID YOUR ARGUMENT SOUNDS UNLESS YOU REQUIRE ISRAEL TO LIVE BY THE SAME RULES YOU SET FOR IRAN???

Warham
10-18-2007, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I dont want Israel or India or Pakistan to have nukes...

Where was your outrage then?

And why dont YOU answer my question.

If you were the leader of Iran, wouldnt you want them?

My outrage? I have no outrage. Israel is our ally. They have been since 1948.

If I were the leader of Iran, I would certainly want them. Why not? It's easier to hold another country hostage when you have nukes in your back pocket.

Warham
10-18-2007, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
That's pretty naive thinking on your part.

It IS abouit what they want, and ehy.

And until you and your ilk accept that, you'll never learn.

DONT YOU SEE HOW STUPID YOUR ARGUMENT SOUNDS UNLESS YOU REQUIRE ISRAEL TO LIVE BY THE SAME RULES YOU SET FOR IRAN???

So, let me get this straight.

You set the same rules for your allies as you do your enemies, or non-allies?

Help me understand your line or reasoning.

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 04:58 PM
Here's another one that WAR wont have an answer to....

Does an American have more rights than an Iranian as far as being an inhabitant of this world?

And if your answer is no, then why do WE [or Israel and Pakistan] have the right to defend themselves with Nukes, but an Iranian citizen doesnt?

If you dont want the Iranians to have nukes, then DEMAND our allies in the region disarm too.

Otherwise, you're just perpetuating the belief that we are the world's largest HYPOCRITES.

:gulp:

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by WAR
So, let me get this straight.

You set the same rules for your allies as you do your enemies, or non-allies?

Help me understand your line or reasoning.

YES.

DUH.

How can you live by one set of rules, and then DEMAND others live by another?

Tell me how YOU jusrtify this?

Do we own the world or something?

Fucking bizarre.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Warham
10-18-2007, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Here's another one that WAR wont have an answer to....

Does an American have more rights than an Iranian as far as being an inhabitant of this world?

And if your answer is no, then why do WE [or Israel and Pakistan] have the right to defend themselves with Nukes, but an Iranian citizen doesnt?

If you dont want the Iranians to have nukes, then DEMAND our allies in the region disarm too.

Otherwise, you're just perpetuating the belief that we are the world's largest HYPOCRITES.

:gulp:

Has Iran shown that they can be responsible with nuclear weapons in their possession?

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by WAR



If I were the leader of Iran, I would certainly want them.

So you're just as crazy as you think he is?

:D

Warham
10-18-2007, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
So you're just as crazy as you think he is?

:D

Every thug dictator would like to get his hands on a nice set of nukes. :eek:

Nickdfresh
10-18-2007, 05:09 PM
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More Iranian cartoons! :mad:

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by WAR
Every thug dictator would like to get his hands on a nice set of nukes. :eek:

Like Israel?

Warham
10-18-2007, 05:16 PM
Please...

Why the Israel hatred? You aren't anti-Semetic, are ya?

Israel is the closest thing to the United States in the Middle East.

Nickdfresh
10-18-2007, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by WAR
Please...

Why the Israel hatred? You aren't anti-Semetic, are ya?

Yeah, because God forbid we hold the Israels to the same criteria we do any other nation...


Israel is the closest thing to the United States in the Middle East.

Except the Apartheid-lite thingy.:)

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by WAR
Please...

Why the Israel hatred? You aren't anti-Semetic, are ya?

Israel is the closest thing to the United States in the Middle East.

Well done, strawman :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why is it anytime you try and hold Israel to the same standards as other countries in the region you're painted as anti-semitic?

Where did I say I hate Israel?

Lame and very poor debating techniques you're using on this one, WAR.

Don't try and paint me as anti-Israel, or Pro-Iran.

I'm anti-hypocrites, and Pro-NO NUKES

Your strawman arguments wont wash here, bro.

Step it up a notch, or wave the white flag.

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Yeah, because God forbid we hold the Israels to the same criteria we do any other nation...



Except the Apartheid-lite thingy.:)

Exactly.

:cool:

We'll "allow" 3 other regimes in the area to have nukes, but warn them we'll bomb them into the next century if they have "the knowledge" :rolleyes:

Notice Chimpy has now shifted the litmus-test to "knowledge" of nuclear weapons, not programs?

Any fuckwit high school student can have the "knowledge" to build a nuke.

Even WAR :D

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by WAR

Israel is the closest thing to the United States in the Middle East.

Closest thing to an ally is what I'm assuming you meant here...

sad, but true. :(

Pakistan is no ally

Neither is Afghanistan or Iraq.

But then, maybe we just haven't dropped enough bombs to win those hearts and minds yet. :rolleyes:

You are making NO SENSE to me with your line of reasoning, WAR

Help me understand

Warham
10-18-2007, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Closest thing to an ally is what I'm assuming you meant here...

sad, but true. :(

Pakistan is no ally

Neither is Afghanistan or Iraq.

But then, maybe we just haven't dropped enough bombs to win those hearts and minds yet. :rolleyes:

You are making NO SENSE to me with your line of reasoning, WAR

Help me understand

So why remove our ally's nuclear weapons?

Lounge, do you think we should ditch our nuclear weapons?

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by WAR
So why remove our ally's nuclear weapons?

Lounge, do you think we should ditch our nuclear weapons?

We were the first, and I think we should be the last....


But that's a pipe dream.

Non-proliferation is the goal.

And the CORRECT way to stop Iran, is to convince our supposed "strong allies" in the region to give up theirs...

But that too, will never happen.


Let me bottom line it for you, since you dont want to accept the obvious.

WE CAN'T STOP IRAN FROM GETTING NUKES IF THEY REALLY WANT THEM.

WE CAN'T BOMB THEM INTO SUBMISSION

And if you think we can, then you're dumber than Bush/Cheney/Perle et al...


I love you Cons who think we can just run rough-shod over the whole fucking world.

Ever hear of an empire called ROME, Warham?

You should really read up on it...

:cool:

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by WAR
So why remove our ally's nuclear weapons?

Lounge, do you think we should ditch our nuclear weapons?

Have you noticed how many more of your questions I've answered than you have of mine?

Warham
10-18-2007, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Have you noticed how many more of your questions I've answered than you have of mine?

No, I'm going along with your line of thinking. Let's have every country in the world remove their nuclear weapons programs. Does that sound feasible?

FORD
10-18-2007, 05:56 PM
NOBODY should have nuclear weapons.

Just think of what could have been accomplished with the trillions of dollars that have been wasted on these murderous weapons that cannot "win" a war, but only end all life on this planet.

FORD
10-18-2007, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by WAR
No, I'm going along with your line of thinking. Let's have every country in the world remove their nuclear weapons programs. Does that sound feasible?

HELL YES!!

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by WAR
No, I'm going along with your line of thinking. Let's have every country in the world remove their nuclear weapons programs. Does that sound feasible?

Step 1

Delcare the Middle East a "Nuclear Free Zone"

Israel, Pakistan, and India must dismantle or face world sanctions....

Warham
10-18-2007, 06:04 PM
You think that'll stop warfare in the Middle East?

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by WAR
No, I'm going along with your line of thinking. Let's have every country in the world remove their nuclear weapons programs. Does that sound feasible?

:rolleyes:

Does your line of thinking, bombing any country we dont want to have nukes sound "feasable"?????

Warham
10-18-2007, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
:rolleyes:

Does your line of thinking, bombing any country we dont want to have nukes sound "feasable"?????

Who said bomb them? Follow the North Korea example. Maybe they'll be reasonable.

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by WAR
You think that'll stop warfare in the Middle East?


nope.

nothing will.

ever.

But "warfare" in the middle east doesnt mean we have to fear a nuclear winter either....

NOTHING we are currently doing in the region is helping to stop warfare either...

LoungeMachine
10-18-2007, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by WAR
Who said bomb them? .


BUSH
CHENEY
LIEBERMAN
MCCAIN

Do I need to go on?

And dont pretend that's not what you've been implying either...

Warham
10-18-2007, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
nope.

nothing will.

ever.

But "warfare" in the middle east doesnt mean we have to fear a nuclear winter either....

NOTHING we are currently doing in the region is helping to stop warfare either...

The only nuclear winter you'll have to fear is if Iran gets their hands on nukes. Israel isn't going to fire them off first. It'll only be in retaliation against another country.

Warham
10-18-2007, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
BUSH
CHENEY
LIEBERMAN
MCCAIN

Do I need to go on?

And dont pretend that's not what you've been implying either...

I know Bush has been talking about World War III happening if Iran gets its hands on nukes. That's going to happen anyway in the future, regardless of what happens right now. It's just a matter of time.

Nickdfresh
10-18-2007, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by WAR
The only nuclear winter you'll have to fear is if Iran gets their hands on nukes. Israel isn't going to fire them off first. It'll only be in retaliation against another country.

Yeah, but neither will Iran...

Warham
10-18-2007, 06:43 PM
Then it'll probably be a terrorist group like Al Qaeda.

Israel's had nukes for what, twenty or thirty years? There's no reason to fear Israel getting an itchy trigger finger, unless something sets them off.

Nickdfresh
10-18-2007, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by WAR
Then it'll probably be a terrorist group like Al Qaeda.

Israel's had nukes for what, twenty or thirty years? There's no reason to fear Israel getting an itchy trigger finger, unless something sets them off.

Iran has chemical weapons, the same applies...

And why would al Qaeda get a nuke? How?

Warham
10-18-2007, 06:49 PM
I dunno. Why wouldn't they? Alot of what they do makes no sense to me. If you are willing to kill yourself and your children for your beliefs, anything is possible.

FORD
10-18-2007, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by WAR
There's no reason to fear Israel getting an itchy trigger finger, unless something sets them off.

Right.... just like last year when they bombed the living shit out of Lebanon for a month because a couple of IDF stormtroopers got captured for being on the wrong side of the border. Nope, no itchy trigger fingers there :rolleyes:

Nitro Express
10-19-2007, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Think about who is the only country to drop 2 nukes on civilian populations...

Then think about us allowing India to develop nukes...

Then think about Pakistan, far from a stable ally, to have nukes...

Then think about Israel having nukes, and the capability to deliver them to Iran.

Now think about if YOU were an IRANIAN.

Would you, or would you not want the same technology?

Be honest.

:gulp:

We would let Iran have nukes if they didn't have all that oil.

Nitro Express
10-19-2007, 01:08 AM
Not to mention a loud mouthed idiot who runs his mouth too much about eliminating Israel. All he does is give Israel and the US the excuse to invade. Shit, that fucker probably works for the CIA. LOL!

Nitro Express
10-19-2007, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Right.... just like last year when they bombed the living shit out of Lebanon for a month because a couple of IDF stormtroopers got captured for being on the wrong side of the border. Nope, no itchy trigger fingers there :rolleyes:

Yeah, but some of those IDF stormtroopers are cute and a good fuck. In fact, I've gotten a fare amout of good sex from Jews. I never got any Muslim ass.

Nitro Express
10-19-2007, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by FORD
NOBODY should have nuclear weapons.

Just think of what could have been accomplished with the trillions of dollars that have been wasted on these murderous weapons that cannot "win" a war, but only end all life on this planet.

True. But non of us should have to go to work for bosses we hate and jobs we can't stand. We should have perfect weather all the time, food should just appear when we want it while we live in a sea of beautiful people to fuck. and the sea monkeys are real.

Nitro Express
10-19-2007, 01:23 AM
I believe tactical nuclear weapons will be used in the middle east. We are not going to just leave Iraq and no way in hell are we going to let Iran grab that much oil and land when we leave. We are staying but with our troops and conventional equipment getting worn down, we will use tactical nukes to get the job done. The AIPAC Zionists who control our president and future president (if there is a 2008 election) will see to it.

We aren't leaving the Middle East anytime soon and the Russians know that. One reason Putin is flying his bombers again trying to intimidate us. No. Israel and the US are going to grab those oil fields once we tactically nuke our opposition there. The NATO crowd will make a lot of money and get their old power back.

Blackflag
10-19-2007, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by WAR
Israel isn't going to fire them off first. It'll only be in retaliation against another country.

This conversation is the blind leading the blind...

Do you recall the statement by Israel that it is entitled to use the same "preemptive" policy against Iran that Bush used against Iraq?

Nitro Express
10-19-2007, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by Blackflag
This conversation is the blind leading the blind...

Do you recall the statement by Israel that it is entitled to use the same "preemptive" policy against Iran that Bush used against Iraq?

Yup. But they also want to get rid of their warmonger imag with hot women and beaches....

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Nitro Express
10-19-2007, 02:55 AM
Israel is saying come enjoy our beaches and fuck our girls. What has the Muslim world been promoting? We want to kill all you fucks and women are to be wrapped up.

Warham
10-19-2007, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by Blackflag
This conversation is the blind leading the blind...

Do you recall the statement by Israel that it is entitled to use the same "preemptive" policy against Iran that Bush used against Iraq?

Did Bush use nukes on Iraq?

jgdrag
10-19-2007, 02:05 PM
Only way to peace is if everyone has nukes or nobody has nukes

Nickdfresh
10-19-2007, 02:07 PM
We really didn't have a lot of peace before the advent of nukes...


We haven't had much since either...

jgdrag
10-19-2007, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
We really didn't have a lot of peace before the advent of nukes...


We haven't had much since either...

Sure, but who would fuck with anyone who could deliver the same blow as you could? You push the button, I push the button, no more problems for anybody, it's a no win situation

Blackflag
10-19-2007, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by WAR
Did Bush use nukes on Iraq?

Who's to say what limits there are to a "preemptive" strike? If they enriching underground, and the only way to reach it is with a nuclear weapon...doesn't a preemptive policy say you should use it? Don't pretend to be clueless.

Nickdfresh
10-19-2007, 02:37 PM
The problem with having nuckies, from my lowly perspective, is that a lot of these nations see them as a sort of Holy Grail, a culmination of national aspirations to sort of "be some body." Nukes are also thought of as a relatively cheap way of deterring a much more powerful aggressor.

The problem is that nukes are to, varying degrees, expensive not only to build. Nations that acquire them also find out that they are enormously expensive and a complex headache to maintain. The "Command and Control" issue is one that is plaguing both Pakistan and India. The networks of communications, verifications, and readiness are extremely comprehensive and overwhelming. They incur a lot of resources for a nations military budget. Then of course, there's the danger that terrorists, or even factions in civil wars or military coups, could get their hands on the nukes and then we'd be a slave to rogues using these weapons for blackmail, or worse....

I agree with the "Thank God for the Bomb" notion to an extent, but there is no way it is practical.

I think a better, admittedly Utopian and unrealistic, solution to war is to ban armies all together, and turn the world's militaries into something modeled on Costa Rica's Civil Guard. But it's not likely, and many would argue that states cannot exist without an active military. I don't know, but Costa Rica is a pretty nice place to visit I hear...

LoungeMachine
10-19-2007, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Blackflag
Don't pretend to be clueless.

He's not pretending.....

Blackflag
10-19-2007, 02:39 PM
Just call me straight man...

jgdrag
10-19-2007, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
The problem with having nuckies, from my lowly perspective, is that a lot of these nations see them as a sort of Holy Grail, a culmination of national aspirations to sort of "be some body." Nukes are also thought of as a relatively cheap way of deterring a much more powerful aggressor.

The problem is that nukes are to, varying degrees, expensive not only to build. Nations that acquire them also find out that they are enormously expensive and a complex headache to maintain. The "Command and Control" issue is one that is plaguing both Pakistan and India. The networks of communications, verifications, and readiness are extremely comprehensive and overwhelming. They incur a lot of resources for a nations military budget. Then of course, there's the danger that terrorists, or even factions in civil wars or military coups, could get their hands on the nukes and then we'd be a slave to rogues using these weapons for blackmail, or worse....

I agree with the "Thank God for the Bomb" notion to an extent, but there is no way it is practical.

I think a better, admittedly Utopian and unrealistic, solution to war is to ban armies all together, and turn the world's militaries into something modeled on Costa Rica's Civil Guard. But it's not likely, and many would argue that states cannot exist without an active military. I don't know, but Costa Rica is a pretty nice place to visit I hear...


Agree, but come on, we are talking about people here

Warham
10-19-2007, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Blackflag
Who's to say what limits there are to a "preemptive" strike? If they enriching underground, and the only way to reach it is with a nuclear weapon...doesn't a preemptive policy say you should use it? Don't pretend to be clueless.

You don't have to use nukes to accomplish that mission.

Nickdfresh
10-20-2007, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by WAR
You don't have to use nukes to accomplish that mission.

The truth is that we have no fucking clue where a lot of the Iranian "research" is performed. And that there is some evidence that the Iranian nukie prowess is exaggerated (golly, how could that be?)...

And, the program is so dispersed that it would be almost impossible to wipe it out, even using "bunker-busting nukes"...

Blackflag
10-20-2007, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by WAR
You don't have to use nukes to accomplish that mission.

And you didn't have to send 250k troops to Iraq to take out Saddam...but who's to say what "preemptive" means? You?

Nitro Express
10-20-2007, 01:57 PM
For most of our history, we walked and rode horses. Technology actually changed little until the late 19th Century. In the 20th Century we went from barely even being able to keep a big motorized kite flying off the ground to putting a man on the moon. The biggest advances since 1969 seem to have been in the computer and biotech industry.

Mid century was the time of the nukes. Germany did most of the theoretical footwork but it was the US who put it all into a working bomb. Russia soon followed in a few short years as did other countries.

We made the first nuclear bomb but the technology that led up to it was international. It was only a matter of time before someone else made one.

Then we began making them smaller and making the delivery system more efficient.

It's been a half century and as we lose our technological and economical lead in the world, someone else is going to take over as the big bad superpower.

Unless we do bomb ourselves back to the stoneage, these nuclear weapons will continue to grow globally. If your nieghbors have then, well hell, you need them to keep the nighbors from blackmailing you. Then the game of trying to get the first strike begins. This is called missle deffense.

The cold war never ended. It's just including more players. God help us!

Nitro Express
10-20-2007, 02:16 PM
I see the world as the family of Abraham (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) having a big family fued and scaring the shit out of the other half of the world's population.

There's two world destroying motivators in the Middle East. A) Religion and B) Oil.

The leaders of Iran believe the can bring the Mahdi back by starting major nuclear shit. They start a huge unwinnable war and their Messiah comes back to issue in paradisacle living.

The Christians have a hard on for Daniel and Revelations. Israel is a state and the sabers are rattling. The early rapture crowd are extreamly cocky right now and stirring shit with AIPAC. The Rev. John Hagee is cumming all over hiself telling his followers Jesus is going to beam them up at anytime.

Not all Christians believe this but see themselves going through the tribulations of war, famine, pestalence, but Jesus will come in the middle of the final battle and usher in a 1,000 years of peace.

The Jews are still waiting for their Messiah and years of oppression have made them tough. They are tired of being fucked around with, and whoever tries to run their ass out of Israel again can have some nukes shoved up their ass.

The rest of the world are Hindus, Buddists, Taoists, Athiests, Agnostic, Communists ect. They just look at the other half and shake their heads. They see the Abrahamic people as a bunch of religiouse zelots out of control.

Some want to die and ruin the world to bring their Mahdi back. Some are looking forward to the bad news and nuclear war because that means Jesus is Comming. Some are tired of being fucked around and want to rebuild Herod's Temple so the Messiah will return.

Half of the world wants to destroy the earth so some magical figure can restore it better than before.

Then you have your Green People. The environmental crowd who believe it's up to us to save the planet.

Nickdfresh
10-20-2007, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Nitro Express
F...

Mid century was the time of the nukes. Germany did most of the theoretical footwork but it was the US who put it all into a working bomb. Russia soon followed in a few short years as did other countries.

...

At the risk of being a "Nancy-boy," I'd like to point out that the Nazi German bomb program was led by complete asshats that didn't know nuclear fission from their assholes...

Then the Norwegian (under the British) SAS destroyed whatever they had discovered with a commando attack...

Warham
10-20-2007, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Blackflag
And you didn't have to send 250k troops to Iraq to take out Saddam...but who's to say what "preemptive" means? You?

No, we could've just sent special forces guys in there to assassinate him, but that's against US policy.

LoungeMachine
10-20-2007, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by WAR
No, we could've just sent special forces guys in there to assassinate him, but that's against US policy.


:rolleyes:

In a posrt 9/11 world BushCO doesnt give a SHIT about policy...


You know damn good and well why Chimpy wanted to invade with shock and awe..

Nitro Express
10-20-2007, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
At the risk of being a "Nancy-boy," I'd like to point out that the Nazi German bomb program was led by complete asshats that didn't know nuclear fission from their assholes...

Then the Norwegian (under the British) SAS destroyed whatever they had discovered with a commando attack...

I wasn't reffering to the Nazi nuclear bomb project. Hitler saw it as a long shot and reffused to give it seriouse funding.

What I was talking about is nuclear physics came from Germany. They were way ahead of the rest of the world on it in an accademic way. It was the German born Einstein that convinced Roosevelt the US better get going on a nuclear weapons program before someone in Germany did.

If you look at the type of facilities that had to be built in Oak Ridge, Hanford, and Los Alamos it's amazing the US even developed the bomb. The Manhattan Project was one expensive and huge undertaking.

Nickdfresh
10-20-2007, 10:31 PM
Einstein really had little to do with the actual development of the bomb...


Originally posted by WAR
No, we could've just sent special forces guys in there to assassinate him, but that's against US policy.

No. He was a general in the Iraqi Army, making him a legitimate target...