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LoungeMachine
11-07-2007, 08:59 PM
http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2007/11/07/prince/

Prince wants to sue his fans, undo the Internet



In September, Prince announced that he would sue YouTube, eBay and the BitTorrent sharing site the Pirate Bay because people had posted his copyrighted material there. The lawsuits were never filed (perhaps because they were legally questionable: YouTube is arguably protected by provisions in copyright law that render it immune from liability for what people post to the site, as long as it takes down infringing material promptly).

Now the Artists formerly known as Rational* has issued another broad legal threat: He wants to sue his biggest fans. Three devoted Prince fan sites -- www.housequake.com, www.princefams.com and www.prince.org -- recently received letters from Prince's lawyers asking them to take down lyrics, pictures, album cover art and anything else "linked to Prince's likeness."

Representatives of the fan sites, who have banded together at Prince Fans United, say they'll fight Prince's request. They argue that Prince doesn't own the copyrights to much of the material he's asking be taken down -- for instance, the fans' own photographs of the Artist, and their pictures of "their Prince-inspired tattoos and their vehicles displaying Prince-inspired license plates."

The fans also argue that they have a First Amendment right to display material to which Prince does own the copyrights. "The law clearly provides for displaying of images of a celebrity's likeness for newsworthy events or matters which are considered to be public interest," the fans write (they add that the material on their sites "clearly fall within the public interest category.")

Prince's fans say they're prepared to fight him in court. You'd suppose that Prince would back down before the suit ever gets near a courtroom, given the negative publicity that's sure to attend so boneheaded a move as suing your biggest supporters.

But if it does go down, it's not at all clear that the fans would win this thing. Do they have a public interest or fair-use right to display Prince's lyrics? Lyrics-hosting sites have gotten into copyright trouble before, so that would seem a dubious claim. Same goes for cover art and images that Prince owns.

My point is not that the fans are wrong. It's that the law is. Prince has said that his copyright-lawyering ways are meant to "reclaim the Internet," but what he really seems to want to do is undo the Internet. The whole business of people being free to say things about him online, beyond his control -- out in public for chrissakes! -- that seems to rankle Prince, as it does, of course, a lot of others who oppose this whole Web fad.

However this is resolved, that there is even a question about the legality of creating a fan site -- that music-biz lawyers feel they can freely threaten people with such broad claims -- is itself an illustration of the fundamental incompatibility between Internet culture and the prevailing legal ideas surrounding intellectual property.

Prince won't manage to undo the Internet, of course, but that he thinks he can is -- in addition to a sign that he's not quite sane -- just another signal of the overbroad ideas some in the entertainment business have regarding their hold on the culture. Prince actually believes that he can control a fan's photograph of her tattoo of her "love symbol"? Doves cry.

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Unchainme
11-07-2007, 09:11 PM
http://www.kipwingerrocks.com/

http://members.tripod.com/pease/winger/

http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/thezone/KipWinger.html

http://www.winger.com.tripod.com/

So..You gonna sue some of your fans, eh Kip?

CVH Rulz
11-07-2007, 09:48 PM
Technology giveth and technology taketh away...rights, privacy, your own name, etc...soon no one will have any control over any of it.

LoungeMachine
11-07-2007, 09:56 PM
Talk about biting the hand......

Fucking douche should be grateful anybody cares....

I'd love it if instead of fighting it, all 3 webmasters SHUT DOWN THEIR SITES IMMEDIATELY

Fucking clown

:gulp:

LoungeMachine
11-07-2007, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Unchainme
http://www.kipwingerrocks.com/

http://members.tripod.com/pease/winger/

http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/thezone/KipWinger.html

http://www.winger.com.tripod.com/

So..You gonna sue some of your fans, eh Kip?

Alright, runt....

You've hit your quota of Winger jokes for the year...

Don't make me call your folks again...

:gulp:

Unchainme
11-07-2007, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Alright, runt....

You've hit your quota of Winger jokes for the year...

Don't make me call your folks again...

:gulp:

Can I still make fun of the Seahawks? :)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/338129_hawk05.html

LoungeMachine
11-07-2007, 10:06 PM
Yeah, we all do...

Knock yourself out over those Hags.

:gulp:

Right now I'd trade Holmgren and the whole team for a donut and a bottle to be named later....

Nitro Express
11-07-2007, 10:30 PM
It's brought touring back. Recorded music isn't as valuable because it's digital and easy to steal. The record companies don't make what they used to. So to make that up, bands and artists have to sell tickets to shows. No more spending two years to make some studio album because you were too lazy to work and do it in two weeks and just staying home collecting royalty checks. It's back on the bus. They way it was meant to be.

It just means these rich fucks have to work harder for their living. Touring still pays.

LoungeMachine
11-07-2007, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Nitro Express
It's brought touring back. Recorded music isn't as valuable because it's digital and easy to steal. The record companies don't make what they used to. So to make that up, bands and artists have to sell tickets to shows. No more spending two years to make some studio album because you were too lazy to work and do it in two weeks and just staying home collecting royalty checks. It's back on the bus. They way it was meant to be.

It just means these rich fucks have to work harder for their living. Touring still pays.

Okay...

But suing FAN SITES [such as this one] over copyrights?

The labels, yeah, happens all the time :cool:

But the little twat himself?

Like I said, make his day. Shut 'em down.

:gulp:

LoungeMachine
11-07-2007, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
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he would sue YouTube, eBay [/B]


ebay??

:confused:

Better go after Silver Platters and the mom&pop shops that buy and sell so many copies of Purple Rain :rolleyes:

thome
11-08-2007, 12:56 AM
I have never purchased any Prince, but I have a huge respect for his talent.

His Vids are allways cool, his Movie was cool, his concerts were cool, he plays like a great guitarist should.

Just a general all around mondo HUGE talent.

This crap listed above is just like back in the 70's before all this media tek sh!t ,he is trying to say I cant carry a couple albums over to my buds house show them off and let him keep them on loan for awhile.

Where would Farrah be if I couldn't hang that sexy Nipple poster on my wall?

WTF?

NATEDOG001976
11-08-2007, 01:01 AM
Prince always does stuff that keeps him in the media. I think this is a cry wolf.

FORD
11-08-2007, 01:49 AM
This reminds me of the controversy (pardon the pun) back in 2002 when a certain guitarist of Dutch-Indonesian heritage threatened to sue any website with red, black, and white stripes on it.

Nitro Express
11-08-2007, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Okay...

But suing FAN SITES [such as this one] over copyrights?

The labels, yeah, happens all the time :cool:

But the little twat himself?

Like I said, make his day. Shut 'em down.

:gulp:

Suing you loyal customers because they like you is pure stupidity. Sure you have to control your image somewhat and the best way to do it is get on the road and show people you still have it and entertain them. Recorded music works if you put out a good product and bundle some interesting extras with it.

Entertainers still can make a heap load of money without having to be the control freaks some like Prince are.

The last Prince Album I bought was Purple Rain and yes, it was a LP and a new release. LOL! Then I saw him at the Tacoma Dome where the girl behind me puked and ruined the concert.

Panamark
11-08-2007, 06:09 AM
OK ??

Didnt this dude just offer his latest album for free ???
Why take out the fans ??

Hardrock69
11-08-2007, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by FORD
This reminds me of the controversy (pardon the pun) back in 2002 when a certain guitarist of Dutch-Indonesian heritage threatened to sue any website with red, black, and white stripes on it.

He did that?

What a fucking moron.
:rolleyes:

LoungeMachine
11-08-2007, 12:08 PM
Imagine the uproar had Dave pulled this?

And spED was part of that cabal suing night clubs hiring cover bands playing VH too....

There are those [DLR] who understand why they are where they are, and appreciate the fans....

And then there are those [Prince, spED] who shit on the fans and expect them to conform to THEIR view of the business.


:gulp:

Seshmeister
11-08-2007, 07:37 PM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Seshmeister/squiggle-280.gif

Nickdfresh
11-08-2007, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by Nitro Express
It's brought touring back. Recorded music isn't as valuable because it's digital and easy to steal. The record companies don't make what they used to. So to make that up, bands and artists have to sell tickets to shows. No more spending two years to make some studio album because you were too lazy to work and do it in two weeks and just staying home collecting royalty checks. It's back on the bus. They way it was meant to be.

It just means these rich fucks have to work harder for their living. Touring still pays.

That's how it's pretty much always been. Because record companies have fucked artists since the dawn of phonograph recordings...

Nickdfresh
11-08-2007, 10:39 PM
And if Prince doesn't see how much YouTube promotes his music and image, he's a complete fucking retard...

Seshmeister
11-08-2007, 10:59 PM
It seems to be that Prince had appointed a company as an agent to 'safeguard' his internet profile and this company went after his fansites in a stupid way.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out because it's very easy to imagine the same thing happening with our sites whereby Eddie or his Spinal Tap GF doing the same thing to this site, DDLR and the Links.

Both DLRArmy and DiamondDavidLeeRoth.com have had potential problems with Dave's management in the past but common sense on their part quickly prevailed. The difference here seems to be the fact that a third party asshole company was involved but I think they will back down.

In the meantime there has already been a huge anti Prince backlash e.g.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Seshmeister/Prince5.gif

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Seshmeister/mrsmall-1.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Seshmeister/cnut.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Seshmeister/prince3.gif

Nitro Express
11-11-2007, 10:07 PM
Just because the Purple Blouse could beat Charley Murphey in Basketball doesn't give him the right to be such a self-rightiouse bastard!

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