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LoungeMachine
11-17-2007, 12:21 PM
November 16, 2007

Illegal Ron Paul currency seized
Ron Paul is set to have a big fundraising quarter.

EVANSVILLE, Indiana (AP) — Federal agents raided the headquarters of a group that produces illegal currency and puts it in circulation, seizing gold, silver and two tons of copper coins featuring Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

Agents also took records, computers and froze the bank accounts at the "Liberty Dollar" headquarters during the Thursday raid, Bernard von NotHaus, founder of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act & Internal Revenue Code, said in a posting on the group's Web site.

The organization, which is critical of the Federal Reserve, has repeatedly clashed with the federal government, which contends that the gold, silver and copper coins it produces are illegal. NORFED claims its Liberty Dollars are inflation free and can restore stability to financial markets by allowing commerce based on a currency that does not fluctuate in value like the U.S. dollar.

"They're running scared right now and they had to do something," von NotHaus told The Associated Press Friday. "I'm volunteering to meet the agents and get arrested so we can thrash this out in court."


Wendy Osborne, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Indianapolis office, declined to comment and referred all questions to the U.S. attorney's office for the Western District of North Carolina. Suellen Pierce, a spokeswoman for that office, also declined to comment.

The raid comes eight months after von NotHaus filed a lawsuit in federal court in Evansville seeking a permanent injunction to stop the federal government from labeling the Liberty Dollar an illegal currency.

The U.S. Mint issued a warning this year that the Liberty Dollar violated the Constitution and warned consumers against using them unsuspectingly.

Paul's campaign said it had not authorized production of the Ron Paul dollars.

"We were aware they existed, but we didn't have any affiliation with them," said Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Ron Paul's campaign. "He didn't ask our permission to make them."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/16/illegal-ron-paul-currency-seized/

LoungeMachine
11-17-2007, 12:22 PM
Well shit...

There goes my one chance to get Warham a Christmas gift. :D

Hyman Roth
11-17-2007, 12:32 PM
http://e.photos.cx/paulbottey2-4d5.jpg

cite:

http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=231497&page=6

(some moderately funny chops in that thread. NSFW)

FORD
11-17-2007, 02:03 PM
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Hyman Roth
11-17-2007, 02:06 PM
I laughed my ass off at that episode!!


Catch me....come on...catch me!!!

Nitro Express
11-17-2007, 07:55 PM
What makes it illegal? Banks used to print their own bank notes. It's no different than buying Kugarands and trading them.

It's no different than buying gold bonds from a gold trader. As long as you can return your notes for gold from the issuer it's legal.

Ever bartered? Trading like an amp for a guitar? Is the FBI going to raid swap meets now because some traded a antique chair for an antique hat rack? No taxes are being paid on these trades lets bust them!

I'm sorry but if you went into Wal-Mart with Ron Paul dollars they aren't going to accept them. You would have to go to a coin trader and exchange them for dollars to buy your shit. So what's the big deal.

Hardrock69
11-18-2007, 12:43 PM
It is NOT illegal.

The people bartering for services with that never claimed it was "legal tender US currency".

They are not counterfeiting.

The raid was illegal. Period.

If I were the people producing them, I would have already filed a massive lawsuit against the FBI for several hundred million dollars.

Nitro Express
11-18-2007, 02:41 PM
You are right it's not illegal to mint gold coins and trade them. It's done all the time. It's not illegal to sell goid shares. Most people don't know that Federal Reserve Notes used to be an IOU for the US Gold in Fort Knox. You could go to any Federal Reserve bank and exchange dollars for their worth in gold. The Federal Reserve is a private bank. Other private banks used to do the same.

Watch the US Govt. pull of Roosevelt and make private gold holdings illegal. That was done during the depression. People had to turn their gold in for paper currency. It would be a real rip-off today because US currency is backed by nothing.

If Ron Paul coins are gold and silver they are actually worth something and will hold their valure over the shit the Federal Reserve issues.