Obama has so far...

[TongueNGroove]

Obama has so far, stopped all trials in Gitmo, wants to move them all the U.S. and futher burden our courts with worthless terrorists who will be instantly killed in prison anyway, and has elected a tax dodger to run the IRS.


Yep, I can feel the "Change" is upon us.:rockit2:

[twonabomber]

the best qualified person to catch tax cheats is a tax cheat... :D

[bueno bob]

Obama has so far, stopped all trials in Gitmo, wants to move them all the U.S. and futher burden our courts with worthless terrorists who will be instantly killed in prison anyway, and has elected a tax dodger to run the IRS.

Yep, I can feel the "Change" is upon us.:rockit2:

At least they'll actually GET a trial, which is far more than what Gitmo is offering them. Hell, maybe they'll even be CHARGED with something.

I find it amusing that Repukes like to bitch about the "burden" on our courts to prosecute TERRORISTS WHO ATTACKED THE COUNTRY while at the same time thinking that committing acts that are in violation of wartime conventions and even basic fucking COMMON SENSE are a better alternative.

Who needs rights? What do you care whether or not we burn up any sense of fucking decency and American integrity to aim for a higher standard, a standard we've prided ourselves on for almost 100 years now?

Attitudes like yours are fucking disgusting. War criminals or not, America prides itself on the prospects of a speedy trial and fair justice and we do NOT lower ourselves to imprisonment without charge for an indefinite amount of time and we do NOT engage in torture, regardless of circumstance.

Maybe you're better off with the Taliban - they have no such restrictions. You'd probably see eye to eye with them more.

[Redballjets88]

Obama has so far, stopped all trials in Gitmo, wants to move them all the U.S. and futher burden our courts with worthless terrorists who will be instantly killed in prison anyway, and has elected a tax dodger to run the IRS.


Yep, I can feel the "Change" is upon us.:rockit2:

Yeah, I can't say I agree with these moves. I'm fine with closing gitmo, but bringing a bunch of terrorists into the states? What the fuck is that idea about?
Best case scenario they get killed in prison, if not they could just spread their bullshit ideals to Americans who are in prison.

And bringing a tax dodger in is totally dumb, and immoral. How does Obama expect this guy to come and help him raise taxes? I don't get it.

[bueno bob]

Yeah, I can't say I agree with these moves. I'm fine with closing gitmo, but bringing a bunch of terrorists into the states? What the fuck is that idea about?

I dunno, maybe a TRIAL?



Best case scenario they get killed in prison, if not they could just spread their bullshit ideals to Americans who are in prison.

Either way, I guess you've got no problems, then, right?


And bringing a tax dodger in is totally dumb, and immoral. How does Obama expect this guy to come and help him raise taxes? I don't get it.

Well, you're right about that... :rolleyes:

[TongueNGroove]

At least they'll actually GET a trial, which is far more than what Gitmo is offering them. Hell, maybe they'll even be CHARGED with something.

I find it amusing that Repukes like to bitch about the "burden" on our courts to prosecute TERRORISTS WHO ATTACKED THE COUNTRY while at the same time thinking that committing acts that are in violation of wartime conventions and even basic fucking COMMON SENSE are a better alternative.

Who needs rights? What do you care whether or not we burn up any sense of fucking decency and American integrity to aim for a higher standard, a standard we've prided ourselves on for almost 100 years now?

Attitudes like yours are fucking disgusting. War criminals or not, America prides itself on the prospects of a speedy trial and fair justice and we do NOT lower ourselves to imprisonment without charge for an indefinite amount of time and we do NOT engage in torture, regardless of circumstance.

Maybe you're better off with the Taliban - they have no such restrictions. You'd probably see eye to eye with them more.

Define "rights". Last I heard these terrorists are not American citizens and are therefore not afforded rights held under the American Constitution.

These are not, common thief’s, these are killers or people conspiring to kill Americans at all costs, even if it means their own lives.

Now, last I heard there were something like 26 trials scheduled in the next 3 months that are now on hold. So obviously these people are not just sitting there rotting forever with no trial in sight. Can they set bail like in the U.S. and go free until their court date NO. WHY? Because they would never show up!

That does not mean we are out rounding up every innocent Muslim, like Hitler with the Jews, and condemning them to death.

These people were caught either in the act of terrorism, or conspiring to commit terrorism, or found with some sort of paraphernalia that incriminated them.

Do I feel sorry for them? Hell no! I feel sorry for the families of the 3000+ soldiers and 3000+ 911 victims that died because of these crazy sum bitches.

So do us all a favor and take your pity for the enemy and shove it up :upyours:

[FORD]

The guys who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993 are in prison. The guy who bombed the Federal Building in OKC is burning in Hell, after being rightfully convicted under the law. The asshole who got caught crossing into the US in Port Angeles (with plans to light up the whole West Coast) is in prison. Eric Rudolph, Paul Hill, and some other rancid puke "Christian" terrorists who like to shoot people and blow up buildings while calling themselves "pro life" are in prison.

The constitutional system of trials and convictions works. There was never any reason to attempt anything else.

[LoungeMachine]

These are not, common thief’s, these are killers or people conspiring to kill Americans at all costs, even if it means their own lives.

:

How would you know?

Nothing like proven guilty by a jury of ONE. One, who has no fucking clue what the FUCK he's even talking about, that is.

:blow2:

[bueno bob]

Define "rights". Last I heard these terrorists are not American citizens and are therefore not afforded rights held under the American Constitution.

As prisoners of war, which is, I guess, what we're involved in, they are afforded numerous rights. A ton of which are not being met.


These are not, common thief’s, these are killers or people conspiring to kill Americans at all costs, even if it means their own lives.

I suppose your solution is better? Being held indefinitely, often without charges, and tortured at whim? I thought we were striving to be something better than common terrorists ourselves...maybe it's just me...


Now, last I heard there were something like 26 trials scheduled in the next 3 months that are now on hold. So obviously these people are not just sitting there rotting forever with no trial in sight. Can they set bail like in the U.S. and go free until their court date NO. WHY? Because they would never show up!

These trials should be conducted domestically, not at Gitmo. I find it odd that you're concerned about them sitting in jail for 3 whole months rotting when there are quite a few that have been sitting there for YEARS. And finally, I don't really think any judge is going to allow them bail, considering the charges are going to amount to domestic terrorism and acts of war...I don't think they're going to fall in a lot of sympathetic court rooms, but that's just my logic at work...


That does not mean we are out rounding up every innocent Muslim, like Hitler with the Jews, and condemning them to death.

Oh. Well I guess that settles it, then. You ARE aware, I take it, that the U.S. government is actively trying to convince the new democratic Iraqi government to round up people who "appear suspicious" in addition to known terrorists and criminals and just "hang onto them" for an indefinite amount of time - WITHOUT charges. Right? And, likewise, I take it you're aware that there are THOUSANDS of more prisoners in Iraq with less prospects than those at Gitmo, right?

But yeah, I'm sure you're right - I'm sure we're not just rounding up people regardless of guilt or innocence and subjecting them to indefinite imprisonment and torture up to and including death.


[B]These people were caught either in the act of terrorism, or conspiring to commit terrorism, or found with some sort of paraphernalia that incriminated them.

Do I feel sorry for them? Hell no! I feel sorry for the families of the 3000+ soldiers and 3000+ 911 victims that died because of these crazy sum bitches.

I don't feel any overwhelming sympanthy towards terrorists, either. But there is a difference between doing things the way we're supposed to and just taking shortcuts for expediencies sake.


So do us all a favor and take your pity for the enemy and shove it up :upyours:

Yeah, dipshit, I'm a terrorist lover...you got me...

[hideyoursheep]

Anyone who is a citizen should be given due process, absolutely.

Anyone who isn't should be deported back to where they were.

[hideyoursheep]

Oh. Well I guess that settles it, then. You ARE aware, I take it, that the U.S. government is actively trying to convince the new democratic Iraqi government to round up people who "appear suspicious" in addition to known terrorists and criminals and just "hang onto them" for an indefinite amount of time - WITHOUT charges. Right? And, likewise, I take it you're aware that there are THOUSANDS of more prisoners in Iraq with less prospects than those at Gitmo, right?...
You have no idea, bob, what suspected terrorists in Iraq are subjected to if the Iraqis catch them first.

[LoungeMachine]

You have no idea, bob, what suspected terrorists in Iraq are subjected to if the Iraqis catch them first.

But is that the standard by which WE should be judged?

"Yeah, we violate human rights, but look at THOSE guys too"

:confused:

[hideyoursheep]

No, man. The point is, they have a better chance of surviving if we catch them first.

I don't know if there are any prisoners from Iraq at Gitmo, but I can tell you, from what I've been told firsthand, once the ISF snatches them up, it's Fallujah time for the entire neighborhood. And there's nothing the US troops can do about it.
It's fucked up, but that's how they do their thing.

[bueno bob]

You have no idea, bob, what suspected terrorists in Iraq are subjected to if the Iraqis catch them first.

Oh, I have an idea. The unfortunate side to all this was that we invaded Iraq with the notion of bringing them "democracy". Our version of it, to be precise; now that we're encouraging them to detain criminals, and even suspected criminals (with or even without any real evidence) indefinitely without charges means to me that spreading our version of democracy there has been a complete failure and an absolute waste of lives, money and resources. To pretend otherwise at this point is just pointless.

We can't expect other countries to be what we are or practice what we practice, but instead of attempting to force it on them, we can at the very least set an example for others to look up to.

Guantanamo, and to be frank the entire legacy of George W. Bush policy, is hardly the example that comes to mind when I think of what America should present itself to the world as.

"Well, they're worse than we are, we're just using their tactics!" is a surefire way to invite the disdain of the world and the wrath of terrorist organizations who would give ANYTHING to watch our corrupt empire crumble into the dust. Just a cursory view of the last eight years and our failing reputation world wide is evidence enough to that.

[hideyoursheep]

Well, I can't argue with that.

[LoungeMachine]

No, man. The point is, they have a better chance of surviving if we catch them first.



:eek:


Quick, get in the van, we'll take you to Gitmo before they catch you......

phew, that was close.



Sorry, not following the logic.


:gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

Habeus Corpus has been the basic human rule of law for 700 years.......

WTF we decided unilaterally to ignore it NOW, is beyond me.

[hideyoursheep]

Habeus Corpus has been the basic human rule of law for 700 years........

Now if the Iraqis can just learn to spell it..



I don't offer up any excuses for Gitmo, I'm only laying out to you the 'alternative' for the captured.

[LoungeMachine]

The problem lies in the fact many of the Gitmo "lucky ones" were turned over for their BOUNTY, and have no real evidence against them they're "terrorists"

If we can't try them, why do we continue to hold them?

:gulp:

[hideyoursheep]

The problem lies in the fact many of the Gitmo "lucky ones" were turned over for their BOUNTY, and have no real evidence against them they're "terrorists"

If we can't try them, why do we continue to hold them?

:gulp:


Anyone who is a citizen should be given due process, absolutely.

Anyone who isn't should be deported back to where they were.
:gulp:

[hideyoursheep]

....Well....at least keep it open for the BCE board of directors meeting!



If only......if only there were enough spine to investigate...

[LoungeMachine]

I know YOU get it...

The question was more rhetorical in nature.....

:gulp:


I'm just amazed that the TNG's of the world out there, who wave the flag the loudest, and spout off about "terrorists" and "enemies" are always the ones who seem to want to EMULATE the tactics of the dictators they supposed abhor.

ya know?

[GAR]

It's the Bizzaro President! Up is down..

[hideyoursheep]

...until they have a cell right next to Tommy Chong at Gitmo.

Yeah, I get it...

;)

[knuckleboner]

Yeah, I can't say I agree with these moves. I'm fine with closing gitmo, but bringing a bunch of terrorists into the states? What the fuck is that idea about?
Best case scenario they get killed in prison, if not they could just spread their bullshit ideals to Americans who are in prison.



the people currently held in guantanemo have been held, indefinitely, as enemy combatants.

if they are terrorists, great. if they're not, then what? are we assuming that the military hasn't made one mistake? that every single person picked up is without question a terrorist? well, if that's the case, then why not try them in a court of law? obviously we're rock solid at always getting the terrorist.

[Nickdfresh]

Define "rights". Last I heard these terrorists are not American citizens and are therefore not afforded rights held under the American Constitution.

Neither were Germans captured and held as POWs during WWII. They were still afforded the basic protections as prisoners of War under the Geneva Conventions....


These are not, common thief’s, these are killers or people conspiring to kill Americans at all costs, even if it means their own lives.

They also haven't convicted of anything. And many of them were either guys who tried to kill US troops in Afghanistan - which in itself is not an act of terror or you are calling US servicemen 'terrorists' because we did the same thing...

Or they were people on the wrong side of a dispute with a Northern Alliance (now Afghan gov't official) and probably owed the wrong guy money or insulted his family in some way...

Or they are hardened terrorists that should be tried and imprisoned or executed...


Now, last I heard there were something like 26 trials scheduled in the next 3 months that are now on hold. So obviously these people are not just sitting there rotting forever with no trial in sight. Can they set bail like in the U.S. and go free until their court date NO. WHY? Because they would never show up!

That does not mean we are out rounding up every innocent Muslim, like Hitler with the Jews, and condemning them to death.

These people were caught either in the act of terrorism, or conspiring to commit terrorism, or found with some sort of paraphernalia that incriminated them.

Do I feel sorry for them? Hell no! I feel sorry for the families of the 3000+ soldiers and 3000+ 911 victims that died because of these crazy sum bitches.




Their trials were little more than military kangaroo courts with little legal precedent or even legitimacy and staged by the previous admin showing little respect for the rule of law. An Admin that even tried to label US citizens as alleged "terrorists," and tried to deny them their constitutional rights by just legally making it up as they went...

And probably 98% of the people at GITMO had nothing to do with 9/11. That was a very few members of whatever constituted "al Qaida," which is in itself an exaggeration...


So do us all a favor and take your pity for the enemy and shove it up :upyours:

Wow, strong statement from a chickenhawk. If you're such a badass and it is all so simple, than go become a Navy SEAL yo and kill all teh terra-ists, pussybitch.

[TongueNGroove]

You guys do realise that there are people in America who sit in jail for years waiting to be tried right? Our court systems are so bogged down that there is no telling how long these Gitmo guys would be sitting in jail before they got a trial even if they are moved to America. How would it be any different?


The only difference would be that if you put them in general population they would all most likely be killed by other inmates unless we build them their own prison system (i.e. another Gitmo based here in the States).


Neither were Germans captured and held as POWs during WWII. They were still afforded the basic protections as prisoners of War under the Geneva Conventions....



They also haven't convicted of anything. And many of them were either guys who tried to kill US troops in Afghanistan - which in itself is not an act of terror or you are calling US servicemen 'terrorists' because we did the same thing...

Or they were people on the wrong side of a dispute with a Northern Alliance (now Afghan gov't official) and probably owed the wrong guy money or insulted his family in some way...

Or they are hardened terrorists that should be tried and imprisoned or executed....


Are you even familiar with the Geneva Conventions? If not, do a little reading about them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions . In particular read the Third Geneva convention.

In order for an enemy to be afforded the rights held under the Third Geneva Convention (Which covers POW's) they have to follow certain rules.

Article 4 defines prisoners of war to include:
4.1.1 Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict and members of militias of such armed forces
4.1.2 Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, provided that they fulfill all of the following conditions:

that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance (there are limited exceptions to this among countries who observe the 1977 Protocol I);
that of carrying arms openly;
that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.


Last I checked, these guys are not following ANY of these rules. They are not sponsored by any country.


Also, we supply medical aid to all wounded enemies. Yah it sucks to have a guy try to blow your head off and then you have to turn around and try to save his life, but we do it.


These guys are not covered under the Geneva conventions.

[LoungeMachine]

You guys do realise that there are people in America who sit in jail for years waiting to be tried right? .

Years?

Name one.

:cool:

[TongueNGroove]

Years was an exageration obviously, but it can take many months to even get to trial and then there is the whole trial process which can take another month or two (depending on the crime of course).

That is why we have a Bail system in place in the U.S. so people don't have to sit in jail that whole time waiting. But these guys could not be allowed to go free on bail.

[LoungeMachine]

You guys do realise that there are people in America who sit in jail for years waiting to be tried right?





Years was an exageration obviously, .

Obviously?

No.

Not in the slightest.

:rolleyes:

[LoungeMachine]

Years was an exageration obviously, but it can take many months to even get to trial and then there is the whole trial process which can take another month or two (depending on the crime of course).

That is why we have a Bail system in place in the U.S. so people don't have to sit in jail that whole time waiting. But these guys could not be allowed to go free on bail.

You still haven't come up with ONE SINGLE argument for not trying them after all these years......

IF they're the big, bad boogie man you claim to know they are, TRY THEM.

Fucking ChickenHawks. :uck:

[chefcraig]

Why do people insist upon using Wikipedia as a reference source? It's hardly infallible, and more often than not is like using a Road Runner cartoon to explain Einstein's theory of relativity. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-confused-smileys-718.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Confused-Smileys/)

[TongueNGroove]

You still haven't come up with ONE SINGLE argument for not trying them after all these years......

IF they're the big, bad boogie man you claim to know they are, TRY THEM.

Fucking ChickenHawks. :uck:


Who is "them"? Do you have names? Do you have numbers? Really, who is THEM? Who has sat in there for "YEARS"? Name a few.

[TongueNGroove]

Why do people insist upon using Wikipedia as a reference source? It's hardly infallible, and more often than not is like using a Road Runner cartoon to explain Einstein's theory of relativity. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-confused-smileys-718.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Confused-Smileys/)


Look it up somewhere else if you wish...it'll say the same thing.

[TongueNGroove]

Obama is not your saviour. He may be the muslims saviour, but he's not yours, so stop worshiping the guy.

And I like how you politely ignore the fact that he is hiring a crook to run the treasury. If BUSH did that you'd be all over it.

Some people have open minds, and some people are sheep, it's pretty obvious that there are some political sheep running around here.

[knuckleboner]

Why do people insist upon using Wikipedia as a reference source? It's hardly infallible, and more often than not is like using a Road Runner cartoon to explain Einstein's theory of relativity. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-confused-smileys-718.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Confused-Smileys/)

E=Meep^2?...

[LoungeMachine]

E=Meep^2?...

:lol:

:lol:

[LoungeMachine]

Who is "them"? Do you have names? Do you have numbers? Really, who is THEM? Who has sat in there for "YEARS"? Name a few.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/guantanamo/

The list is 300+ names long, so I'll just post the A's for you, moron.

Abasin, Said Afghanistan Yes 27 Khan o Khel, Afghanistan
Abulwance, Yamatolah Afghanistan Yes 32 Kandahar, Afghanistan
Achezkai, Haji Mohammed Khan Afghanistan Yes 32 Kabul, Afghanistan
Adam Gul, Ataullah Afghanistan Yes 27 Khushawa, Afghanistan
Ahmad, Abdul Afghanistan Yes 55 Roy E Sang, Afghanistan
Ahmad, Noor



Ahmed, Shabir Afghanistan Yes 38 Badakhshan, Afghanistan
Akhbar, Mohammad Afghanistan Yes 53 Ghowr Band, Afghanistan
Akhtar Mohammed, Rostum Afghanistan Yes 29 Musa Qala, Afghanistan
Al Ansari, Faris Muslim Afghanistan Yes 25 Mukala, Yemen
Al Kunduzi, Umar Abdullah Afghanistan Yes 30 Konduz, Afghanistan
Al-Afghani, Haroon


Transferred to Guantanamo on June 22, 2007 Afghanistan No Unknown Afghanistan
Alikhan, Mahngur Afghanistan Yes 51 Gomal, Pakistan
Alikozi, Amanullah Afghanistan Yes 34 Deh Raud, Afghanistan
Aliza, Abdul Rauf Afghanistan Yes 28 Azan Village, Afghanistan
Alizai, Nematullah Sahib-Khan Afghanistan Yes 51 Azan, Afghanistan
Allah, Noor Afghanistan Yes 38 Uruzgan, Afghanistan
Aman Afghanistan Yes 52 Malik Village Kardez, Afghanistan
Andarr, Abdul Al-Hameed Mohammed Afghanistan Yes 42 Zormat, Afghanistan
Asekzai, Azizullah Afghanistan Yes 29 Karez, Afghanistan
Aslaam, Noor Afghanistan Yes 27 Warna, Pakistan
Azimullah Afghanistan Yes 27 North Waziristan, Pakistan

[LoungeMachine]

Why do people insist upon using Wikipedia as a reference source? It's hardly infallible, and more often than not is like using a Road Runner cartoon to explain Einstein's theory of relativity. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-confused-smileys-718.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Confused-Smileys/)

Because he's a lazy Busheep ??

:gulp:

[chefcraig]

Obama is not your saviour. He may be the muslims saviour, but he's not yours, so stop worshiping the guy.

And I like how you politely ignore the fact that he is hiring a crook to run the treasury. If BUSH did that you'd be all over it.

Some people have open minds, and some people are sheep, it's pretty obvious that there are some political sheep running around here.

Which would also mean that there are several open minded folks running about as well.

While I'd agree that no elected official warrants the idea of being called a savior, comparing the Obama regime to the Bush presidency is somewhat disingenuous. The Bush administration had eight years to flourish (if that is the right word), whereas it has been what...24 hours since the new guys received the keys to the White House? Hardly time to develop a legacy, ya know? Perhaps some of the Obama appointees will prove to be howling mistakes. Yet that in and of itself remains to be seen at this point.

Do I believe that we as a people will suddenly join hands, become unquestionably united as a nation in order to restore the liberties and undo the wrongs perpetrated both globally and internally in the past near decade, within the next 45 minutes or so? Of course not. Yet predicting failure when dealing with any administration on only it's second day of service seems not only foolhardy, it would appear unfair. After all, far too little time has passed to provide for any sort of perspective.

I'm not expecting great things from the guy, only a glimmer of hope. The collective sigh of relief you are hearing across this country is not so much for change (which is merely expedient), only that there is a potential for things not continue in the manner in which they did.

[LoungeMachine]

Some people have open minds, and some people are sheep, it's pretty obvious that there are some political sheep running around here.

Yet we allow you to Bleat in here anyway.

You're welcome

:gulp:

[knuckleboner]

Who is "them"? Do you have names? Do you have numbers? Really, who is THEM? Who has sat in there for "YEARS"? Name a few.

here's the real issue:

the "enemy combatants" were captured and given indefinite stays in custody. they had no way of knowing if they would be locked up for 2 weeks while interrogated, or imprisoned for life. they had no formal court hearing from which to argue whether or not they deserved their imprisonment, let alone to try and find out how long they might be held.

as has been said, if they're guilty of something, great, charge them.

[GAR]

And probably 98% of the people at GITMO had nothing to do with 9/11.

100% of those being detained at GITMO have fucked a camel's ass from behind, therefore Allah has beseeched this blessed nation to detain said creatures in 5x11 concrete boxes until they go mental and kill their own selves.

That being said, I'd be keeping them busy with hard labor such as the lessons of history from Auschwitz taught us which is that hard work makes the life sweet.

Then I'd break out the Zyklon B.

[GAR]

as has been said, if they're guilty of something, great, charge them.

Who cares? Allah does not wish His camels molested - let's keep them in cages until they die of natural causes.

Or unnatural causes, such as starvation boycott protests.

[FORD]

100% of those being detained at GITMO have fucked a camel's ass from behind, therefore Allah has beseeched this blessed nation to detain said creatures in 5x11 concrete boxes until they go mental and kill their own selves.

That being said, I'd be keeping them busy with hard labor such as the lessons of history from Auschwitz taught us which is that hard work makes the life sweet.

Then I'd break out the Zyklon B.

As long as you're talking like a NAZI, you might want to take the Jew out of your avatar, Gaydolf. :lol:

[LoungeMachine]

Who cares? Allah does not wish His camels molested - let's keep them in cages until they die of natural causes.

Or unnatural causes, such as starvation boycott protests.

Another excellent post from the Library.

:rolleyes:

[GAR]

Jew? Let's not be RACIST.

We on the Rotharmy board, shall not tolerate racism: WE HATE EVERYBODY EQUALLY

[FORD]

It's racist to say David Lee Roth is a Jew? :confused:

So does that make Jesus a super-racist for calling himself "King of the Jews"?

[LoungeMachine]

Jew? Let's not be RACIST.

We on the Rotharmy board, shall not tolerate racism: WE HATE EVERYBODY EQUALLY

STFU, GarKlan

:gulp:

We tolerate you, the biggest RACIST on these boards....

[TongueNGroove]

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/guantanamo/

The list is 300+ names long, so I'll just post the A's for you, moron.

Abasin, Said Afghanistan Yes 27 Khan o Khel, Afghanistan
Abulwance, Yamatolah Afghanistan Yes 32 Kandahar, Afghanistan
Achezkai, Haji Mohammed Khan Afghanistan Yes 32 Kabul, Afghanistan
Adam Gul, Ataullah Afghanistan Yes 27 Khushawa, Afghanistan
Ahmad, Abdul Afghanistan Yes 55 Roy E Sang, Afghanistan
Ahmad, Noor



Ahmed, Shabir Afghanistan Yes 38 Badakhshan, Afghanistan
Akhbar, Mohammad Afghanistan Yes 53 Ghowr Band, Afghanistan
Akhtar Mohammed, Rostum Afghanistan Yes 29 Musa Qala, Afghanistan
Al Ansari, Faris Muslim Afghanistan Yes 25 Mukala, Yemen
Al Kunduzi, Umar Abdullah Afghanistan Yes 30 Konduz, Afghanistan
Al-Afghani, Haroon


Transferred to Guantanamo on June 22, 2007 Afghanistan No Unknown Afghanistan
Alikhan, Mahngur Afghanistan Yes 51 Gomal, Pakistan
Alikozi, Amanullah Afghanistan Yes 34 Deh Raud, Afghanistan
Aliza, Abdul Rauf Afghanistan Yes 28 Azan Village, Afghanistan
Alizai, Nematullah Sahib-Khan Afghanistan Yes 51 Azan, Afghanistan
Allah, Noor Afghanistan Yes 38 Uruzgan, Afghanistan
Aman Afghanistan Yes 52 Malik Village Kardez, Afghanistan
Andarr, Abdul Al-Hameed Mohammed Afghanistan Yes 42 Zormat, Afghanistan
Asekzai, Azizullah Afghanistan Yes 29 Karez, Afghanistan
Aslaam, Noor Afghanistan Yes 27 Warna, Pakistan
Azimullah Afghanistan Yes 27 North Waziristan, Pakistan

And these have all been in there for Years?

[chefcraig]

Personally I find it refreshing, not to mention a welcome relief to learn that if questions regarding the practice of Camel Fucking should ever arise, fortunately we here at the army appear to have on hand an expert at the subject.

[LoungeMachine]

And these have all been in there for Years?

Did you bother to even read the link, Busheep?

Yes, to answer your lazy ass, many have been there for YEARS.

No exaggeration on MY part, too bad same can't be said for you and your posts.....

:gulp:

[TongueNGroove]

here's the real issue:

the "enemy combatants" were captured and given indefinite stays in custody. they had no way of knowing if they would be locked up for 2 weeks while interrogated, or imprisoned for life. they had no formal court hearing from which to argue whether or not they deserved their imprisonment, let alone to try and find out how long they might be held.

as has been said, if they're guilty of something, great, charge them.

We also imprisoned thousands of japs (Both Americans and combatants) in WWII untill the war was over.

You all seem to froget there is a War going on. These aren't "Criminals" these are combatants. Not only that, as I stated before, these guys are not part of a known army, they are not lead by a nation, so they deserve no Geneva Conventions.

You act like these guys are American citizens who stole a candy bar or something.

And they are getting their trials.

[GAR]

We tolerate you, the biggest RACIST on these boards....

I've said in the past on DDLR that "I hate black culture" then you two have been harping I'm a racist cuntinously for that.

I think you two have slave-guilt, you're both bought and sold into it and you need to let go of this Farrakhan/Jackson/Sharpton ideology, separating that from the skin color it seeks to support.

I have black guy friends and dated black girlfriends, it's some of that nigga culture what with the hiphop and the rap gangsta pimpster bullshit I can do without.

Youre the hater! Quit being a dick..

[LoungeMachine]

We also imprisoned thousands of japs (Both Americans and combatants) in WWII untill the war was over.

.

And we were wrong, admitted so, and paid reparations, moron.




You all seem to froget there is a War going on. These aren't "Criminals" these are combatants.


War was delcared by Congress? When.

And you JUST claimed they werent afforded enemy combatant status as applied by The geneva Convention.. Which is it? Make up your fucking mind





And they are getting their trials.

Really?

Link please.


idiot.

[TongueNGroove]

Did you bother to even read the link, Busheep?

Yes, to answer your lazy ass, many have been there for YEARS.

No exaggeration on MY part, too bad same can't be said for you and your posts.....

:gulp:

Did you bother reading your own link.

First of all it doesn't say how long each memeber was held. Secondly most of those guys are listed as "Released". Thirdly did you bother reading this next to one guys name? "According to the Pentagon, "After his release from US custody in July 2003, Farouq quickly renewed his association with Taliban and al-Qaida members and has since become re-involved in anti-Coalition militant activity.""

The rest of them are surely doing the same which means we'll just have to keep rounding up the same guys over and over.

Also, we are talking about 500 or so people here, not the droves of thousands like you want to portray.

[GAR]

Personally I find it refreshing, not to mention a welcome relief to learn that if questions regarding the practice of Camel Fucking should ever arise, fortunately we here at the army appear to have on hand an expert at the subject.

Thank you Chef, I had an Iranian chick roommate once who told me all about that.

And although I myself have never fucked a camel before, having dated what at the time seemed to be of Camel-birthed origins I admit the possibilty of lusting for something just as big and smelly in my earliest years so I assure you, I understand the drive as well.

[TongueNGroove]

And we were wrong, admitted so, and paid reparations, moron.




War was delcared by Congress? When.

And you JUST claimed they werent afforded enemy combatant status as applied by The geneva Convention.. Which is it? Make up your fucking mind



Really?

Link please.


idiot.


There were at least 26 trials scheduled for the next 120 days which are now cancled. If they aren't getting their trials then who exactly were they trying?

Also, just because someone is a "combatant" and is trying to kill you does mean they are covered under the Geneva conventions...moron.

[LoungeMachine]

Also, we are talking about 500 or so people here, not the droves of thousands like you want to portray.

Where did I "portray" that?

Making shit up out of whole cloth, and putting it in other's mouths seems to be your MO

:gulp:

Or is this just ANOTHER one of your "obvious exaggerations" you like to post?

[GAR]

Did you bother reading your own link.

They made him a Mod, he doesn't have to.

:hula: :hula: :hula:

[LoungeMachine]

Thank you Chef, I had an Iranian chick roommate once who told me all about that.

.

Did she post from the library too?

[LoungeMachine]

They made him a Mod, he doesn't have to.

:hula: :hula: :hula:

:lol:

Poor GARfield, still stinging from your boyfriedn getting you fired?

:lol:

[chefcraig]

Did she post from the library too?

:lol:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8513/agarwz9.png (http://imageshack.us)

[GAR]

If this new job offer comes thru, allowing me to be online all day, I will ask for the modkeys back.

Somehow you don't like the idea of me as a Mod? That's too bad, my only concern about you is the editing-thing, that's a wet blanket for sure.

[LoungeMachine]

If this new job offer comes thru, allowing me to be online all day, I will ask for the modkeys back.

Somehow you don't like the idea of me as a Mod? That's too bad, my only concern about you is the editing-thing, that's a wet blanket for sure.

:lol:

Good luck with that.....

:splooge:

[knuckleboner]

We also imprisoned thousands of japs (Both Americans and combatants) in WWII untill the war was over.


very true. we did a horrible thing during WWII. i'm not too sure how that justifies our current actions, however.



You all seem to froget there is a War going on. These aren't "Criminals" these are combatants. Not only that, as I stated before, these guys are not part of a known army, they are not lead by a nation, so they deserve no Geneva Conventions.

You act like these guys are American citizens who stole a candy bar or something.


that's not the point. either America stands for something or it doesn't. either we believe in justice or we don't. and however badly we want to preserve our security, indefinite imprisonment without a legal opportunity to protest is not justice.



And they are getting their trials.

well, if they're getting their opportunity in court anyways, then why exactly do you care if it's in the U.S. or in guantanemo?

[GAR]

HA wish-think.. they modded you just to stifle the relentless BEGGING

[LoungeMachine]

HA wish-think.. they modded you just to stifle the relentless BEGGING

Once again, you speak out of your ass.

POJO asked me what forum I'd like to mod, I never approached anyone.

But everyone knows why YOU were fired.

:lol:

:gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

very true. we did a horrible thing during WWII. i'm not too sure how that justifies our current actions, however.



that's not the point. either America stands for something or it doesn't. either we believe in justice or we don't. and however badly we want to preserve our security, indefinite imprisonment without a legal opportunity to protest is not justice.



well, if they're getting their opportunity in court anyways, then why exactly do you care if it's in the U.S. or in guantanemo?


NAILED IT.

:cool:

[binnie]

Reading this thread, you'd never know that America has some of the greatest Universities in the world.

Unbelievable..........

[Andy Taylor]

100% of those being detained at GITMO have fucked a camel's ass from behind, therefore Allah has beseeched this blessed nation to detain said creatures in 5x11 concrete boxes until they go mental and kill their own selves.

That being said, I'd be keeping them busy with hard labor such as the lessons of history from Auschwitz taught us which is that hard work makes the life sweet.

Then I'd break out the Zyklon B.

Nope, you're not racist in the slightest. And Goebels was a black panther.

[GAR]

POJO asked me what forum I'd like to mod, I never approached anyone

It sounds like he had no idea what topic you'd best serve, and they had no such confusion like that with me go figure.

:rofl:

[GAR]

either America stands for something or it doesn't.

Let me be clear about this, American government shouldn't stand for anything - it's job should be to legislate and govern, its not supposed to stand for anything.

If it is, let's make the rest of the world pay taxes to us or else cutoff all that juicy foreign aid going out there like pearls before swine.

Camel-fucking swine at that! Swine fuck anything they can that moves: in the Boy Scouts I once saw them try to separate a pig from a baby goat that couldn't extract it's coily dick they had to pull them apart. Like the way you extract terrorists from Islam.

[FORD]

"America stands for freedom, but if you think you're free
Try walking into a deli and urinating on the cheese"
- The Vandals

[TongueNGroove]

NAILED IT.

:cool:

I'm still waiting for your lame respone about that "link" you posted of all the poor terrorists that have been held for "years".

[LoungeMachine]

I'm still waiting for your lame respone about that "link" you posted of all the poor terrorists that have been held for "years".

So you can exaggerate more "facts"?

:rolleyes:

You've already shot any cred in here you hoped to gain.

:gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

It sounds like he had no idea what topic you'd best serve, and they had no such confusion like that with me go figure.

:rofl:

Yet here I am, 4 years later, while you were FIRED, and BANNED by every other site..... go figure.

Thank GOD you have the FREEDOM to post at a LIBRARY at TAXPAYERS expense.

:lol:

[LoungeMachine]

Let me be clear about this, American government shouldn't stand for anything - it's job should be to legislate and govern, its not supposed to stand for anything.
.

LMAO

:smilieci:

[TongueNGroove]

So you can exaggerate more "facts"?

:rolleyes:

You've already shot any cred in here you hoped to gain.

:gulp:


Umm you are the one exagerating facts....You said that was a list of guys in Gitmo for YEARS! First of all, most of them are listed as released! Secondly it says nothing about how long they were in there.

Exagerate much?:lol:

Credibility? You have none.

[LoungeMachine]

You obviously were too stupid to read the different files and links listed in the washington post article I linked.

Yes, some have been there for years.


Unlike YOUR claim we have people HERE waiting years for a trial.

moron.

:gulp:

[Guitar Shark]

We also imprisoned thousands of japs (Both Americans and combatants) in WWII untill the war was over.


This is priceless. Yes, let's use the embarrassing example of Japanese internment camps to support what we are doing today.

Did you have a job in the Bush administration or something? This kind of logic just blows me away.

[LoungeMachine]

This is priceless. Yes, let's use the embarrassing example of Japanese internment camps to support what we are doing today.

Did you have a job in the Bush administration or something? This kind of logic just blows me away.

I literally did a double-take when I read his post. :eek:

Seriously, how weak is your argument when you have to bring up this in hopes it makes you sound credible?

Hey, we slaughtered the natives, and raped slaves, so what's a little torture in the name of "terror", anyway??


:rolleyes:

[Nickdfresh]

You guys do realise that there are people in America who sit in jail for years waiting to be tried right? Our court systems are so bogged down that there is no telling how long these Gitmo guys would be sitting in jail before they got a trial even if they are moved to America. How would it be any different?


Um, why would they be in jail if they're not being charged with anything? We've already released 550 detainees from there and many will be launched back to their home countries...

And as for your asinine claims re. people sitting in jail without trial, as Lounge said, name one!


The only difference would be that if you put them in general population they would all most likely be killed by other inmates unless we build them their own prison system (i.e. another Gitmo based here in the States).

There are Islamic fanatics in "general population" such as the Blind Sheik. They disappear into the bowels of the US federal prison system and become nobodies. But only after a fair trial and conviction...


Are you even familiar with the Geneva Conventions? If not, do a little reading about them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions . In particular read the Third Geneva convention.

Wow! You're amazing! You managed to find Google and a Wiki page. I'm so impressed. And yes, I'm familiar with the Geneva Conventions since I was trained in the "Law of Land Warfare" in the Army. And many of its biggest critics are themselves military lawyers...


In order for an enemy to be afforded the rights held under the Third Geneva Convention (Which covers POW's) they have to follow certain rules.

Article 4 defines prisoners of war to include:
4.1.1 Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict and members of militias of such armed forces

Um, at least some were fighting the US assault on the Taliban in Afghanistan using conventional and guerrilla military tactics, not "terrorism."


4.1.2 Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, provided that they fulfill all of the following conditions:

that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance (there are limited exceptions to this among countries who observe the 1977 Protocol I);
that of carrying arms openly;
that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.


Which many of the Taliban did to a "T."


Last I checked, these guys are not following ANY of these rules. They are not sponsored by any country.


They were "sponsored" by their Taliban hosts in the then sovereign gov't of Afghanistan...


Also, we supply medical aid to all wounded enemies. Yah it sucks to have a guy try to blow your head off and then you have to turn around and try to save his life, but we do it.

So? We always have!



These guys are not covered under the Geneva conventions.

Please tell me again how they are not covered since we captured them in a military ground offensive in a foreign country and brought them here?

[Nickdfresh]

This is priceless. Yes, let's use the embarrassing example of Japanese internment camps to support what we are doing today.

Did you have a job in the Bush administration or something? This kind of logic just blows me away.

I think he might have been ideal for the Bush Dept. of "Justice" actually...:D

:monkey:

[LoungeMachine]

Oh shit

And that's why NICK is the boss around here when it comes to military arguments.

[kb and VA are no slouches, either]


:gulp:

I'll be in the bar.....

[Nickdfresh]

100% of those being detained at GITMO have fucked a camel's ass from behind,

Then why aren't you in GITMO?


therefore Allah has beseeched this blessed nation to detain said creatures in 5x11 concrete boxes until they go mental and kill their own selves.

That being said, I'd be keeping them busy with hard labor such as the lessons of history from Auschwitz taught us which is that hard work makes the life sweet.

Then I'd break out the Zyklon B.

Because you're gay and in denial, like most Nazi fucks...

[GAR]

Then why aren't you in GITMO?

Why do you ask, is the food good over there or wtf?

[GAR]

Um, :blah blah blah:

:dissertation:

:podium speech: :spot judgement:

:blah blah blah:

Stop now, you're piety's done quite enough. Quite done!

THANKYEWW

[Nickdfresh]

Why do you ask, is the food good over there or wtf?

The fucking Fruit Loops® ROCK!!

[TongueNGroove]

This is priceless. Yes, let's use the embarrassing example of Japanese internment camps to support what we are doing today.

Did you have a job in the Bush administration or something? This kind of logic just blows me away.

That my friend is how wars are won.

You don't win wars by letting the enemy run loose in your country. And you don't win wars by putting soldiers who kill the enemy on trial. You also don't win wars by moking your government and asking why! Vietnam anyone?


Jack nicholson( Col. Jessup) said it best when he said.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo&feature=related

Truth is, you panzies can't handle the truth of war.

[LoungeMachine]

:lol:

Welp, we can't argue with logic like that....

He got us, guys. He knows how "wars" are "won"

:gulp:

[chefcraig]

That my friend is how wars are won...


"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - General George S. Patton

[TongueNGroove]

:lol:

Welp, we can't argue with logic like that....

He got us, guys. He knows how "wars" are "won"

:gulp:

Wy don't you move to france? They are great at rolling over for the enemy, you'd fit right in.

If it wasn't for carpet bombing and NUKES and interment camps, there would be no USA for you to talk shit about. Let's get real here.

[TongueNGroove]

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - General George S. Patton

Amen.

[LoungeMachine]

Wy don't you move to france? They are great at rolling over for the enemy, you'd fit right in.

If it wasn't for carpet bombing and NUKES and interment camps, there would be no USA for you to talk shit about. Let's get real here.

:rolleyes:

Turn off The Limbaugh for christ's sake.

That tired old France shit?

:blow2:

Yeah, let's get real, said the guy arguing with AARON SORKIN DIALOGUE FROM A MOVIE

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

Where's the 'thanks for being a fucktard' option?

Edit: I refer to tongueupass ofcourse.

[TongueNGroove]

:rolleyes:

Turn off The Limbaugh for christ's sake.

That tired old France shit?

:blow2:

Yeah, let's get real, said the guy arguing with AARON SORKIN DIALOGUE FROM A MOVIE

:gulp:

That movie quote is very valid and it speaks the truth. It is dealing with an individual, but use it metaphorically about how the US military is supposed to do business and it speaks volumes.

The problem is there are too many cameras following our soldiers around just waiting to put someone on trial. It started with Vietnam and the US military hasn't won a war since.


As much as you want it to be...WAR is not politicaly correct.

[Nickdfresh]

That my friend is how wars are won.

Um, how did this cuntribute to the winning of WWII?

In fact, one of the most decorated units the US fielded in WWII was a Regimental Combat Team comprised of "Nisei" Japanese-Americans.... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Regimental_Combat_Team)

Interning Japanese helped the US win about as much as the Holocaust helped Germany win...


You don't win wars by letting the enemy run loose in your country. And you don't win wars by putting soldiers who kill the enemy on trial. You also don't win wars by moking your government and asking why! Vietnam anyone?

We also don't win wars by spawning fucking retards like you via an inferior educational system. But here we are!



Jack nicholson( Col. Jessup) said it best when he said.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo&feature=related

Truth is, you panzies can't handle the truth of war.

You mean the guy on trial for murdering one of his Marines?

When do you join up, guitar fan?

[LoungeMachine]

:lol:

It's hard to watch.......

No, maybe not so hard.

:gulp:

[chefcraig]

Amen.

The point I was making being that General Patton was a real guy. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-mad-smileys-264.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Mad-Smileys/)

[TongueNGroove]

Um, how did this cuntribute to the winning of WWII?

In fact, one of the most decorated units the US fielded in WWII was a Regimental Combat Team comprised of "Nisei" Japanese-Americans.... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Regimental_Combat_Team)

Interning Japanese helped the US win about as much as the Holocaust helped Germany win...



We also don't win wars by spawning fucking retards like you via an inferior educational system. But here we are!




You mean the guy on trial for murdering one of his Marines?

When do you join up, guitar fan?

Are you seriously asking me how not letting a potential enemy run around behind the lines didn't help? Surely not. Don't forget that the guys who made 911 happen lived here for years. Sleeper agents anyone?

My education is superior to yours I am sure, in fact I know it is because my prof's didn't indoctrinate me into the Liberal/Communist/Bleeding heart/Tree hugging side of politics, thank god.

I'm too old to join the forces, besides I have a business to run, my family wouldn't appreciate it much. My father is a retired Chief Master Seargent in the AF (Was in vietnam and every other war since) and my younger brother faught in Desert Storm.

Guess what, they feel the same way I do.

[Nickdfresh]

Are you seriously asking me how not letting a potential enemy run around behind the lines didn't help?

Yeah, thank God Germany rounded up those Jews! They led to the surrender of 1918 you know!


Surely not. Don't forget that the guys who made 911 happen lived here for years. Sleeper agents anyone?

Actually, I think it was more like months. And they were pretty easily spotted if the fucking FBI-HQ hadn't their fucking heads up their asses!

You know how to use Google, so Google "Phoenix Memo."


My education is superior to yours I am sure, in fact I know it is because my prof's didn't indoctrinate me into the Liberal/Communist/Bleeding heart/Tree hugging side of politics, thank god.

Where did you go to school? Thank God those patriots in "Body Shop" and Scented Candles 101 were true Americans at Wysoki College...


I'm too old to join the forces,

How old are you?


...besides I have a business to run, my family wouldn't appreciate it much. My father is a retired Chief Master Seargent in the AF (Was in vietnam and every other war since) and my younger brother faught in Desert Storm.

Guess what, they feel the same way I do.

LMFAO!! I guess I have to take your word for it. BTW, do they think you're a fucking pansy for not serving and acting like such a hard-on fuck in the internet?

[knuckleboner]

Let me be clear about this, American government shouldn't stand for anything - it's job should be to legislate and govern, its not supposed to stand for anything.



semantics. so, i'll counter with: should they legislate and govern in a just manner?

[TongueNGroove]

LMFAO!! I guess I have to take your word for it. BTW, do they think you're a fucking pansy for not serving and acting like such a hard-on fuck in the internet?

I'm a hard-on fuck? I must fit right in around here then.

[LoungeMachine]

LMFAO!! I guess I have to take your word for it. BTW, do they think you're a fucking pansy for not serving and acting like such a hard-on fuck in the internet?

:lol:

:rofl:

[LoungeMachine]

I'm a hard-on fuck? I must fit right in around here then.

Not really.

www.rothfans.com would love you though.

We tend to hold Neo-Con Kool-Aid drinkers' feet to the fire here.

Especially those who post bullshit, and then backpeddle claiming they were "exaggerating"

:gulp:

[TongueNGroove]

Not really.

www.rothfans.com would love you though.

We tend to hold Neo-Con Kool-Aid drinkers' feet to the fire here.

Especially those who post bullshit, and then backpeddle claiming they were "exaggerating"

:gulp:

Like I said, you exagerate more than anyone here. At least I can admit to it.

[LoungeMachine]

you exagerate more

Tell us more about that education....

:lol:

[Ally_Kat]

The guys who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993 are in prison.

No, not all of them. Abdul Rahman Yasin, who built the bombs, went back to Iraq. Where he is now or if he's survived the bombings that happened during the beginning of the war is unknown. But he was never placed in prison. He's commonly referred to as the man that got away.

[LoungeMachine]

Granted, Ally...

But the point remains, the difference between the Judicial Handling of 93 VS 2001 is startling.

:gulp:

[Ally_Kat]

Granted, Ally...

But the point remains, the difference between the Judicial Handling of 93 VS 2001 is startling.

:gulp:

Oh, you boys can have your Gitmo convo. I don't care either way as long as those who have done acts against us have to answer for it. I just get irked when Ford says everyone from 93 is in jail.

[LoungeMachine]

Oh, you boys can have your Gitmo convo. I don't care either way as long as those who have done acts against us have to answer for it. l.

And that's our point, exactly.

Answer for it.

Not sit in a cell for years rotting with no due process

:gulp:

[FORD]

That my friend is how wars are won.

You don't win wars by letting the enemy run loose in your country.

Bullshit. It was racism, pure and simple.

We were at war with Germany too, but they didn't lock up the German-Americans. For which my grandparents were no doubt grateful, and my dad probably would have been a little bummed growing up in a concentration camp.

Not so lucky for the Japanese Americans. They're easier to pick out of the crowd. But no less loyal to America. In fact considerably MORE loyal than any member of the BCE, then or now.




And you don't win wars by putting soldiers who kill the enemy on trial.

You do if they violate the UCMJ or the Geneva Conventions.



You also don't win wars by moking your government and asking why! Vietnam anyone?

We should have asked questions about Vietnam sooner. Not only would have it prevented thousands of unnecessary deaths, it might well have prevented such FUCKING STUPID IDEAS in the future. As in Iraq. Or Afghanistan. Or any other war that doesn't have one god damned thing to do with protecting the United States of America.





Jack nicholson( Col. Jessup) said it best when he said.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo&feature=related

Truth is, you panzies can't handle the truth of war.

And you quote a fictional character to cover the fact that YOU can't handle the truth that the BCE lied to you, and you swallowed every last drop just like you swallowed Hagar's creamy load.

[FORD]

No, not all of them. Abdul Rahman Yasin, who built the bombs, went back to Iraq. Where he is now or if he's survived the bombings that happened during the beginning of the war is unknown. But he was never placed in prison. He's commonly referred to as the man that got away.

Yeah, that looks like a shady deal that he was allowed to leave the country. I suspect he was on the BCE/CIA payroll, and they got him out of hot water.

[TongueNGroove]

Tell us more about that education....

:lol:



So you stoop to basing your whole argument around the fact that I misspelled a word. Typical Liberal, Mental Midget rhetoric.

[LoungeMachine]

So you stoop to basing your whole argument around the fact that I misspelled a word. Typical Liberal, Mental Midget rhetoric.

Not at all.

Where am I basing MY WHOLE ARGUMENT on you not knowing how to spell exaggerate?

It's not that you "misspelled" it. You didn't KNOW how to spell it.

But then again, it was YOU who BASED your argument on the "fact" your education was better than Nick's.

Nice try at deflection, Gump. Typical Busheep.

:gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

So you stoop to basing your whole argument around the fact that I misspelled a word. Typical Liberal, Mental Midget rhetoric.

I personally base my argument on the fact that you actually think that internment of (mostly) US citizens was actually a good thing when any one with more than 50 IQ points sees it as a complete disaster and an abortion of Justice...

If you went to a college, it should be fucking burned down...

[hideyoursheep]

Once again, you speak out of your ass.

POJO asked me what forum I'd like to mod, I never approached anyone.

But everyone knows why YOU were fired.

:lol:

:gulp:

Sorry, but I don't.




I have a hunch, though....

[hideyoursheep]

That my friend is how wars are won.

You don't win wars by letting the enemy run loose in your country. And you don't win wars by putting soldiers who kill the enemy on trial. You also don't win wars by moking your government and asking why! Vietnam anyone?


Jack nicholson( Col. Jessup) said it best when he said.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo&feature=related

Truth is, you panzies can't handle the truth of war.


OMFG!!!

You're a joke!

Trying to justify Gitmo with WWII internment camps and a fuckin' movie character?!!?!


(You are aware that this Jessup was hauled away to the pokie, right?)

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[hideyoursheep]

Where's the 'thanks for being a fucktard' option?

Edit: I refer to tongueupass ofcourse.


:rofl:

TongueNFail...

[hideyoursheep]

My apologies...joined late.


Who let these two out of their cages?!