NSA Whistleblower: Wiretapping much worse than previously thought

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Just startling stuff, but not surprising, if that makes sense..........

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[Va Beach VH Fan]

Part II the next night....

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[Nickdfresh]

Some stunning stuff. Some in Obama's administration supposedly want to probe, and even prosecute, over this...

But maybe peeps like Sgt. Schultz can explain the inherent contradiction of their proclaiming Obama to be both an Adolf and a Marxist when it is the assholes they couldn't tongueNGroove enough over the last eight years who have enacted the KGB/Gestapo style "protections" on American Civil Liberties?

"Freedom is slavery, war is peace," right bitches?

[Big Train]

So this guy just fed Olbermann's paranoia...ohh weee....refuel that tank.

They "came after him" to fire him. There is way more to that on the other side of the story.

The real question is "does this affect anyone". I don't think so. Asshole Olbermann is taking up space on my cable system night after night. Nobody has gone missing, nobody has gone bankrupt, nobody has been roughed up. If it were in the journalism community, YOU WOULD have heard about it, for ratings alone at this point.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

So you think he's making it all up ??

[Big Train]

Never said that. Just don't think it is full of malice as it is being presented, because clearly in the first few minutes Olbermann was primed for some serious dirt from this guy that he didn't deliver. He doesn't know what it was used for and can't say exactly who, other than "journalists".

Which could just as well (open your mind to it) be used for reporters talking to foreign operatives acting as "anonymous sources" or even more likely, those interacting with Al Jezerra.

The guy even says that they are filtering out low level stuff (i.e. your pizza order and porn habits), in order to focus on what they can realistically lay resources to. It is not possible to catalog everything EVERYONE says all the time. You heard it from the NSA.

[Dr. Love]

No real shock if it's true.

[GAR]

So you think he's making it all up ??

Russel Tice is a selfserving cunt who in Feb 08 offered himself to the Obama team to serve in National Security, but he goes on liberal TV to spill his guts to Olberman and the world on confidential systems of data gathering and analysis, for which he should be shot.

He's not whistleblowing anything. So what if NSA is scanning phone calls 24-7 of one length in duration, or all the phone calls you make. All they can do with such a landslide of data is run linguistics filters thru these databases of millions and millions of phone call files, looking for very small flags such as the word "bomb jihad Allah Boosh-Saytan" etc. until they find a spike in the occurrence among one group of calls, or a group of callers.

Who gives a shit how the spystuff gets done, so long as it stays concealed and they find the haystack needles they're looking for. There is no whistle to blow here IMM.

[GAR]

No real shock if it's true.

My main concern is Cheney and Co. use NSA-gathered stock tips for gain, or use NSA authority to intrude on rival companies' computers and calls for marketplace advantage.

[Nickdfresh]

Russel Tice is a selfserving cunt who in Feb 08 offered himself to the Obama team to serve in National Security, but he goes on liberal TV to spill his guts to Olberman and the world on confidential systems of data gathering and analysis, for which he should be shot.

He's not whistleblowing anything. So what if NSA is scanning phone calls 24-7 of one length in duration, or all the phone calls you make. All they can do with such a landslide of data is run linguistics filters thru these databases of millions and millions of phone call files, looking for very small flags such as the word "bomb jihad Allah Boosh-Saytan" etc. until they find a spike in the occurrence among one group of calls, or a group of callers.

Who gives a shit how the spystuff gets done, so long as it stays concealed and they find the haystack needles they're looking for. There is no whistle to blow here IMM.

Which would be retarded, because real, competent terrorists use codes and don't say "bomb."

And they've probably over-flooded their collection with so much data that they can't possibly filter or mine it in any sort of timely manner...

Just like certain transmissions of the 911 hijackers were deciphered months after that September. It's not only an anathema to civil liberties, a flagrant violation of the law, it's also more than like wholly ineffective. Especially since they were going after nonviolent domestic dissent groups instead of actual terrorists...

[Big Train]

So basically, we are all in agreement here, this is a whole lotta nuthin.

[Nickdfresh]

So basically, we are all in agreement here, this is a whole lotta nuthin.

Um, no. I don't call the breaking of the FISA Court a whole lotta nuthin. I call it breaking the law...

[Big Train]

It's a whole lotta nuthin' if we all agree it doesn't get results. How can you break the law with something that nets you nothing?

If I go into a store with the intent to rob it and I come out with nothing, no crime has been committed.

[Nickdfresh]

It's a whole lotta nuthin' if we all agree it doesn't get results. How can you break the law with something that nets you nothing?

If I go into a store with the intent to rob it and I come out with nothing, no crime has been committed.

Um what? Actually, if you even PLAN to rob a bank/store and don't carry it out, you can be charged with conspiracy!

[LoungeMachine]

It's a whole lotta nuthin' if we all agree it doesn't get results. How can you break the law with something that nets you nothing?

If I go into a store with the intent to rob it and I come out with nothing, no crime has been committed.

If you go into the store while it is closed, and without the permission of the owner, you've broken the law.

Much better analogy.

:gulp:

[Big Train]

Admittedly, not my best analogy.

What I'm saying is if it is done and nets nothing, it's not worth the time of day, legal or not. Our government is doing illegal things every day (yes this admin too), some are worth pursuing some are not. For me, this is not. Where our damn money is right now is.

I've read things recently about even local law enforcement not needing nearly as much legal authority to go through files stored "on the cloud". The fact is, like illegal downloading, as long as they have the technical means to do so, they will, regardless of what the law says.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/09/12/Cloud_computing_may_draw_government_action_1.html

I've got to assume at this moment, Obama is getting his daily brief with this information as well. No executive order on this so far that I'm aware of. Should I get all worked up that he can read Hannity and O'Reilly's email and phone transcripts? Couldn't care less.

However, I'm sure they are putting the executive kibosh on those Rahm Emanuel/Blago discussions. That transcript will likely never see the light of day...