New Prez a smoker?

[swage33]

Don't misunderstand me here, I'm not Anti-Obama but I just discovered that Obama was a smoker. I'm no pundit but I followed the campaign pretty closely and was unaware the whole time. I wonder how many other voters were unaware of this fact and I wonder what the outcome of the election would have been if they did. In today's United States you are a worthless, no-good son of a bitch if you smoke. Can't smoke in a bar, resteraunt or any public building for that matter. Has he exposed his wife and girls to second hand smoke?..., you can imagine the outrage from the anti-smoking nazis. Just wanted to float this out there and see if you guys were ignorant to this as I was.

[ELVIS]

I've posted this pic several times...

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4062/barackobanacigarettcopyph6.jpg


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[LoungeMachine]

W smoked cock, so what's the biggie?

Jimmy Jeff Gannon Guckert, anybody?

How many midnight trips to the West Wing?

No wonder Pickles slept in a Hotel.

:gulp:

[GAR]

Has a history of smocking crack in Los Angeles, too.

But that's all "behind" him.

[ELVIS]

I never posted this one...:D

http://www.adrants.com/images/obama_smoke.jpg


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[Jesus Christ]

Those pictures are as false as thy claims of being My disciple, Gregory. Ye should not bear such false witness.

And as one who hath struggled with addiction thyself, ye should not make light of other's struggles. :(

[swage33]

New here...maybe i'm the only one that didn't know.

[Top Jimmy]

W smoked cock, so what's the biggie?
:gulp:


He sucked a glass dick once in a while in college, too!

actually he didn't like cocaine,
he just liked the way it smelled!

Texas Booger Sugar!

[Jesus Christ]

New here...maybe i'm the only one that didn't know.

Ye are not new here, My son.

The Lord does not forget.

[bueno bob]

The most appropriate question to be asked about Obama's tobacco intake is




WHO FUCKING CARES?




As far as I can tell, only Republicans looking to find any reason to crucify him that they can. Of course, this is not to discuss George's cocaine habit and alcoholism, Rush's addiction to painkillers or even Teddy Swaggerts hunger for man meat, but whatever....

I challenge ANY Republican puke in here to give me ONE good reason why whether or not he smokes a cigarette is any fucking real issue. At all.

Any takers?

[Jesus Christ]

Did ye HAVE to say "crucify", Robert? :(

[bueno bob]

Did ye HAVE to say "crucify", Robert? :(

Apologies - touchy subject, sorry. :)

[LoungeMachine]

Still too soon??

WTF ever happened to forgive and forget?

:gulp:

[swage33]

The most appropriate question to be asked about Obama's tobacco intake is




WHO FUCKING CARES?




As far as I can tell, only Republicans looking to find any reason to crucify him that they can. Of course, this is not to discuss George's cocaine habit and alcoholism, Rush's addiction to painkillers or even Teddy Swaggerts hunger for man meat, but whatever....

I challenge ANY Republican puke in here to give me ONE good reason why whether or not he smokes a cigarette is any fucking real issue. At all.

Any takers?




The purpose of this was not to point out what I percieved to be a flaw...I was trying to make a point about how the public treats and views smokers these days. I think that his smoking was kept really low key and maybe I'm not the only one that didn't know.

You're right, Lord, I am not new here but been gone for what seems like 2 years...board didn't recognize me so now I'm swage33. Please forgive me.

[ELVIS]

This one is real...

http://www.songsforamerica.net/photogallery/new021708/obama-weed.jpg


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[GAR]

Hahahahaha~!!

[Jesus Christ]

Gregory, ye should remember that the Scriptures tell you to pray for thy leaders, especially those who the majority of thy country hath chosen in these troubled times.

I can promise you that thy new President talks to Me on a regular basis. Of course I must keep those conversations confidential, just as I would any other prayer. But knoweth this, he careth very deeply for thy country. Which is more than I can sayeth for some who hath been in that office in recent years.

[Jesus Christ]

You're right, Lord, I am not new here but been gone for what seems like 2 years...board didn't recognize me so now I'm swage33. Please forgive me.

Forgiveness is part of My job description, so consider that done, My son.

But ye should not be so judgmental of thy new President, for he hath been up front with his addiction, and hath not tried to conceal it.

Sometimes I regret creating the tobacco plant, to be honest. :(

[bueno bob]

The purpose of this was not to point out what I percieved to be a flaw...I was trying to make a point about how the public treats and views smokers these days. I think that his smoking was kept really low key and maybe I'm not the only one that didn't know.

Don't take it the wrong way...my rant wasn't in your direction, trust me.

It was directed towards those who want to use it as a pedestal from which to attack him in the absence of anything else...you don't seem to be one of those, but others are.

[IceCreamBlondie]

You mean you didn't know our prez was Smokin' Kool?

[kwame k]

Much ado about nothing......from what I read his wife has been riding his ass about quitting again.....So I don't think he's smoking in front of the kids.

[Redballjets88]

Good I'm glad he is. Maybe he will help out with stopping the fascist laws than ban smoking everygoddamnwhere it pisses me off to no end.

Just because some bullshit studies claim that second hand smoke is the most dangerous thing on earth, when you can't prove that it does shit to someone.

Where are the smokers rights.

[matt19]

So.... smoke outside? Some people are allergic honestly.

[Nickdfresh]

I think he WAS a smoker and has turned complete gym-rat --spending 45-minutes a day working out, at least...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/07/us-elections-2008-barack-obama

[Sarge]

This one is real...

http://www.songsforamerica.net/photogallery/new021708/obama-weed.jpg


:elvis:

Wow, that is a fuckin' hilarious picture!

Breasts,
Sarge

[Redballjets88]

So.... smoke outside? Some people are allergic honestly.

Nowadays smoking outside isn't even allowed in cities. And really if someone has such a great allergy to smoke that it can affect them from across a restaurant they probably shouldnt go outside.

[FORD]

Nowadays smoking outside isn't even allowed in cities. And really if someone has such a great allergy to smoke that it can affect them from across a restaurant they probably shouldnt go outside.

Before we had smoking bans in this state, there were places I couldn't even stand to go into because of allergies. Some of them literally had a 5 ft high partition supposedly separating the cancer and non-cancer sections. The only difference was half the tables didn't have ashtrays. The stench was the same either way. Other places had their smoking sections completely walled off, but the HVAC ducts connected it to the other sections, so it was still polluted air.

Then there's the employee safety issue. Anybody who's ever worked in a food service job knows that they ain't gonna let you only work the places with clean air. Minumum wage employees with no health care are the last people who need forced daily exposure to carcinogens.

As far as outdoor smoking areas, as long as they're a reasonable distance from doors and HVAC intake vents, I don't have a problem with that.

[Redballjets88]

Before we had smoking bans in this state, there were places I couldn't even stand to go into because of allergies. Some of them literally had a 5 ft high partition supposedly separating the cancer and non-cancer sections. The only difference was half the tables didn't have ashtrays. The stench was the same either way. Other places had their smoking sections completely walled off, but the HVAC ducts connected it to the other sections, so it was still polluted air.

Then there's the employee safety issue. Anybody who's ever worked in a food service job knows that they ain't gonna let you only work the places with clean air. Minumum wage employees with no health care are the last people who need forced daily exposure to carcinogens.

As far as outdoor smoking areas, as long as they're a reasonable distance from doors and HVAC intake vents, I don't have a problem with that.

See but you had the choice to go to a place that didn't have smoking sections. The local family restaurant im fine with them saying no smoking, where it gets idiotic, though, is when the government steps in and tells a bar owner, or club owner, that he/she can't have smoking in the building they pay for and pay taxes on.

Also recently Dallas passed a no smoking anywhere type thing, where if you are just walked around downtown and smoking it's a ticket, which is also bullshit.

[Seshmeister]

Before we had smoking bans in this state, there were places I couldn't even stand to go into because of allergies. Some of them literally had a 5 ft high partition supposedly separating the cancer and non-cancer sections. The only difference was half the tables didn't have ashtrays. The stench was the same either way. Other places had their smoking sections completely walled off, but the HVAC ducts connected it to the other sections, so it was still polluted air.

Then there's the employee safety issue. Anybody who's ever worked in a food service job knows that they ain't gonna let you only work the places with clean air. Minumum wage employees with no health care are the last people who need forced daily exposure to carcinogens.

As far as outdoor smoking areas, as long as they're a reasonable distance from doors and HVAC intake vents, I don't have a problem with that.

That's good of you Mr Himmler.

If people are so weak they have to invent these 'allergies' they should stay out of bars and go to seniors knitting clubs or just sit at home in an oxygen tent.

As for employees - get a job you like. The market will provide anti smoking bars if that's what people want.

Most of the whining bastards are ex smoker hypocrites who should fuck off.

[FORD]

Please... if I was going to "invent" an allergy, I'd be much more creative. Like actually breaking out in hives at the first note of a Van Hagar song, or something like that.

[GAR]

Please... if I was going to "invent" an allergy, I'd be much more creative.

I have to confess I'm a puss too like that, I go into sneezing convulsions when my chick smokes on the patio.

[matt19]

See but you had the choice to go to a place that didn't have smoking sections. The local family restaurant im fine with them saying no smoking, where it gets idiotic, though, is when the government steps in and tells a bar owner, or club owner, that he/she can't have smoking in the building they pay for and pay taxes on.

Also recently Dallas passed a no smoking anywhere type thing, where if you are just walked around downtown and smoking it's a ticket, which is also bullshit.

And you had the opportunity to be courteous and smoke outside. I chew tobacco, now imagine that you got to swallow my spit. :smoke2:

[Ally_Kat]

Good I'm glad he is. Maybe he will help out with stopping the fascist laws than ban smoking everygoddamnwhere it pisses me off to no end.

Just because some bullshit studies claim that second hand smoke is the most dangerous thing on earth, when you can't prove that it does shit to someone.

Where are the smokers rights.

I'm not going to knock smokers. My father was a smoker and I saw him get a lot of shit for it, and he was one of the polite smokers. I don't think it's right to treat them as second-class citizens and I think it's stupid to ban smoking from bars.

However, the second hand smoke thing DOES affect people. I spent a lot of time around it as I grew up. My lungs resemble a smoker's so much that the specialists I have to see now for my adult-onset asthma don't believe me when I tell them that I've never smoked anything in my life.

Just like you can get a contact high from being around pot smokers, you can get all the "benefits" from being around tobacco smokers.

[Seshmeister]

I have to confess I'm a puss too like that, I go into sneezing convulsions when my chick smokes on the patio.

Jesus maybe Sarge should rename this site DavidLeeRothFairies.com :)

[Redballjets88]

I'm not going to knock smokers. My father was a smoker and I saw him get a lot of shit for it, and he was one of the polite smokers. I don't think it's right to treat them as second-class citizens and I think it's stupid to ban smoking from bars.

However, the second hand smoke thing DOES affect people. I spent a lot of time around it as I grew up. My lungs resemble a smoker's so much that the specialists I have to see now for my adult-onset asthma don't believe me when I tell them that I've never smoked anything in my life.

Just like you can get a contact high from being around pot smokers, you can get all the "benefits" from being around tobacco smokers.

Of course breathing in second hand is worse than breathing fresh air. But the way they make it second hand smoke sound is much worse than it could ever be.

My younger sister came up to me a month or two ago and said that she was told second hand smoke was worse than actually smoking.

What kind of b.s. is that? Just like big tobacco tried to cover up the risks of smoking for so many years, the people out there that hate smoking/smokers want everyone to think of a cigarette like its heroin.

I see more commercials about smoking than anything else, more than drunk driving, or substance abuse. its nuts. I just want a fair shake.

[FORD]

Just like big tobacco tried to cover up the risks of smoking for so many years, the people out there that hate smoking/smokers want everyone to think of a cigarette like its heroin.


It may be worse. And I heard that right from the mouths of people who were addicted to both. The heroin addiction was actually easier to quit.

Hell, just look at Keith Richards.......

Difference though, is that you don't get second hand smack from breathing.

[ELVIS]

Jesus maybe Sarge should rename this site DavidLeeRothFairies.com :)

No, just ban smokers, second-hand smokers, people against second-hand smoke and people who don't have any faith in the new savior, O-Blahma, like myself...

There, problem solved...LMAO !!


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[ELVIS]

Difference though, is that you don't get second hand smack from breathing.

Just like you can't catch liberalism by listening to people like you...;)

[ELVIS]

Man, some of these smilies are gay as hell...

This problem needs to be corrected before FORD catches it...


:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

It may be worse. And I heard that right from the mouths of people who were addicted to both. The heroin addiction was actually easier to quit.

Hell, just look at Keith Richards.......

Difference though, is that you don't get second hand smack from breathing.

First up I quit smoking cold turkey 9 months ago. It's quite tough but all about a state of mind - I've never given up heroin so I'm not sure but how about comparing second hand smoke to second hand smack muggings and murders? What I don't do now is wander around being a prick about people smoking like ex smoker assholes like Bloomberg. It was the asshole ex smokers that started the 'get smoking out of bars'. Fuck them and their weak hypocrisy. I'll admit that going to bars after a few beers it can take a bit of willpower not to smoke but that's up to me to deal with not to turn around and say people shouldn't smoke.

Second what happens when the public health nazi's come after beer next? It's started already over here and then it will be fattening food. For example Hillary said she would ban junk food if she could.

[Seshmeister]

And back onto the original post I think it's great Obama is a smoker.

Shows he's not some robotic fucking non human. ALL highly driven people have something. If they don't booze too much, they fuck around, take drugs or are fundamentalist christians and secretly do all 3.

If Obama's got a little smoking vice that's the best you can hope for. Plus he's young and obviously a casual smoker because proper smokers can't do as much exercise as he does.

[Redballjets88]

It may be worse. And I heard that right from the mouths of people who were addicted to both. The heroin addiction was actually easier to quit.

Hell, just look at Keith Richards.......

Difference though, is that you don't get second hand smack from breathing.

well if you were around a guy that was freebasing some heroin you would

[ELVIS]

How could you actually classify, or define or even identify what is or is not junk food ??

BTW Sesh, what's going on in your neck of the woods regarding beer ??

[ELVIS]

well if you were around a guy that was freebasing some heroin you would

..and that's an odor you won't soon forget...

[Seshmeister]

One was that when you go to a shop even a Wal-Mart type place you had to join a separate queue(line) to pay for alcohol like a naughty little boy. That bill didn't get through.

Fortunately the worst excesses of this are stopped because people could just do 'booze cruises' and get cheap stuff from mainland Europe if they push it too much.

In places like Sweden you can only buy booze from government shops which are only open a few hours a day and charge a hell of a lot more than you would pay in the US or UK.

[swage33]

My whole problem with the sin police is their lack of virtue. BAN THE SHIT! Don't ridicule and humiliate or punish economically. How can it be constitutional to target a group of people who participate in a legal, albeit unpopular activity and raise their taxes? Tax Kermit for jacking off Fozzy Bear....I hate that activity.:biggrin:

[ELVIS]

I gotcha, Sesh...

That type of utter ridiculousness seems to be creeping up on this side of the pond as well...

One of the reasons I distrust Obaahbaahbaahbaahma...


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[ELVIS]

I thought Kermit was dead...

[swage33]

Death tax Kermit

[Seshmeister]

Tax Kermit for jacking off Fozzy Bear....I hate that activity.:biggrin:

You've just got a filthy mind. :)

[Ally_Kat]

First up I quit smoking cold turkey 9 months ago. It's quite tough but all about a state of mind - I've never given up heroin so I'm not sure but how about comparing second hand smoke to second hand smack muggings and murders? What I don't do now is wander around being a prick about people smoking like ex smoker assholes like Bloomberg. It was the asshole ex smokers that started the 'get smoking out of bars'. Fuck them and their weak hypocrisy. I'll admit that going to bars after a few beers it can take a bit of willpower not to smoke but that's up to me to deal with not to turn around and say people shouldn't smoke.

Second what happens when the public health nazi's come after beer next? It's started already over here and then it will be fattening food. For example Hillary said she would ban junk food if she could.

Fuck, our governor is talking about imposing a HUGE fat tax on all soda, except for diet. Why? Because it's making us fat.

Apparently if we have to pay double what we are now for it, then we will be deterred from consuming it. They saw this work with cigarettes and now they're doing it to soda. The plan is that we'll buy diet soda and water, which will be cheaper and healthier for us.

What pisses me off is that they're not addressing moderation or portion size. They're just going to make it as inconvenient as possible for you to enjoy something because they know better. That and Pepsi and Coke are HUGE employers in Downstate NY. This would definitely hurt them and us when the area is already down.

And let's not get into Bloomberg's new 5cent grocery bag tax.

[Seshmeister]

One of the reasons I distrust Obaahbaahbaahbaahma...


:elvis:

I think Obama is a lot less radical than a lot of people think on both sides.

[FORD]

Fuck, our governor is talking about imposing a HUGE fat tax on all soda, except for diet. Why? Because it's making us fat.


A better approach would be to tax the shit out of the soda companies until they stop using High Fructose Corn Poison. And the other food companies as well. And take the tax out of CEO salaries, don't pass them on to the customer.

As for the grocery bag tax, I'd be for something like that, as long as you also got 5 cents off for each paper or plastic bag you re-used at a store, or if you bring your own reuseable bags (canvas/hemp/nylon or whatever)

[Seshmeister]

Why do you need the government to tell you what to drink?

Is it some psychological problem where you want to be mothered?

Were you not breastfed as a baby or something?

[Ally_Kat]

Of course breathing in second hand is worse than breathing fresh air. But the way they make it second hand smoke sound is much worse than it could ever be.

My younger sister came up to me a month or two ago and said that she was told second hand smoke was worse than actually smoking.

What kind of b.s. is that? Just like big tobacco tried to cover up the risks of smoking for so many years, the people out there that hate smoking/smokers want everyone to think of a cigarette like its heroin.

I see more commercials about smoking than anything else, more than drunk driving, or substance abuse. its nuts. I just want a fair shake.

You do realize that Big Tobacco are the ones behind those campaigns. It's part of a settlement deal that took place years ago.

And like I said, I have nothing against anyone because they smoke and I'm not trying to take away your fair shake. However, when you make douchebaggery comments such as:



Just because some bullshit studies claim that second hand smoke is the most dangerous thing on earth, when you can't prove that it does shit to someone.


I'm going to call you out on your shit. Don't make sweeping statements you can't back up or else people who have first-hand knowledge will knock you down.

[Seshmeister]

True but the research seemed to show that it has to be really sustained, living with an insensitive smoker for many years.

FORD or GAR with their sissy psychosomatic coughing fits are hardly in the same league...

[FORD]

Why do you need the government to tell you what to drink?

Is it some psychological problem where you want to be mothered?

Were you not breastfed as a baby or something?

Actually, I was on the formula, but I made up for it in later years :bigboobs:

Nah, I don't need a government to tell me shit. But I also don't care for a government subsidized mutant poison that oddly enough is not used anywhere else on planet Earth being in 2/3 of anything you buy in the goddamn grocery store.

I can easily not drink domestic Coke or Pepsi. I have enough alternatives, including good old unsweetened beer. :gulp:

It's a little more difficult finding something to eat for breakfast or even a fucking jar of pasta sauce that hasn't been polluted with that shit.

[ELVIS]

The plan is that we'll buy diet soda and water, which will be cheaper and healthier for us.

No darling, the plan is to bring in more revenue...

And let's not get into Bloomberg's new 5cent grocery bag tax.

See above...



:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

Actually, I was on the formula, but I made up for it in later years :bigboobs:

Nah, I don't need a government to tell me shit. But I also don't care for a government subsidized mutant poison that oddly enough is not used anywhere else on planet Earth being in 2/3 of anything you buy in the goddamn grocery store.

I can easily not drink domestic Coke or Pepsi. I have enough alternatives, including good old unsweetened beer. :gulp:

It's a little more difficult finding something to eat for breakfast or even a fucking jar of pasta sauce that hasn't been polluted with that shit.

Hah!

I'm with you on not subsidizing that stuff which is what you've posted before.

That's different from a punishment tax that you proposed in the middle of an individual freedoms argument...

[ELVIS]

FORD or GAR with their sissy psychosomatic coughing fits are hardly in the same league...

..as a child trapped in a car while two parents smoke with the windows rolled up...Or in a living room with clouds floating around the lamps and bright squares and rectangles on the walls when pictures are taken down...


:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

Indeed but that's an education issue. You can't base all our freedoms on the 'think of the children' argument. No electricity, what if a young child sticks their fingers in the socket.

It's not that difficult either. I found it really pretty easy to never let my kids even see me smoke never mind inhale it.

[ELVIS]

They still make unsweetened beer ??

When I walk into a store i'm amazed at all the flavored, sugary looking alcoholic beverages seemingly aimed at younger and younger adults...


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

You can't base all our freedoms on the 'think of the children' argument.

Well, what I described was how my sister and I were raised and our parents even tried to let us smoke, so to speak...

Neither of us ever smoked and we were grossed out by smoke and ashtrays...

I still am but that doesn't keep me from hanging out with or playing music with my friends who smoke. I just make sure I wash my garments asap!


:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

They still make unsweetened beer ??

When I walk into a store i'm amazed at all the flavored, sugary looking alcoholic beverages seemingly aimed at younger and younger adults...


:elvis:


Pfft.

That stuff is obviously aimed at teenagers. Over here at least there was a dip in young people drinking in the early 90s and suddenly all those drinks appeared.

It's shit and it may seem incongruous for me to accept the booze industry targeted under age drinkers and say fuck it but I can't accept the alternative where you have the government sitting there saying 'this drink is too nice, it's banned'.

I was talking to an ER doc recently and they routinely now stomach pump a few kids every weekend with booze poisoning.

The rules on alcohol advertising here are insanely strict with a million rules like everyone in the commercial has to look over 30 and cannot be seen to be happy or enjoying themselves. It's made no difference.

I'm now officially rambling in this post... :)

[ELVIS]

Let me clarify...

Neither of us ever smoked cigarettes...:D


:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

Well, what I described was how my sister and I were raised and our parents even tried to let us smoke, so to speak...

Neither of us ever smoked and we were grossed out by smoke and ashtrays...

:elvis:

It's weird you say that because the same thing happened with almost all my friends growing up, the kids of smokers didn't and the non smoker's kids did end up smoking.

My parents never smoked.

I ended up checking this years back and it's all anecdotal, apparently the stats don't add up. Across the whole population the kids of smokers are more likely to smoke.

[ELVIS]

Pfft.

I was talking to an ER doc recently and they routinely now stomach pump a few kids every weekend with booze poisoning.



Yep...

I worked a bit of ER myself...

Also, recently we had a local college student (18, I believe) die of alcohol poisoning...A few of my friends didn't even know or believe that was possible and was trying to chalk it up to something else...


:elvis:

[FORD]

The sweetened domestic US beverages are crap. It's like Kool Aid with alcohol added. And unfortunately a lot of sulfites (which is another of my allergies)

Back when California Coolers were big in the late 80's, I slammed down three of the 2 liter bottles of that shit. When one of my asshole friends decided to play a drum solo on my stomach with the empty bottles, the shit came up faster than it went down.

Fuck that.... it's one thing to puke your guts out and come close to deaths door from drinking too much vodka, but on that weak shit it was just embarrassing.

The only fruit flavored alcohol I'll drink now is canadian cider (the real stuff, not malt beverage coolers like you get this side of the border, outside of a few microbreweries who make real cider as a side line)

[ELVIS]

I ended up checking this years back and it's all anecdotal, apparently the stats don't add up. Across the whole population the kids of smokers are more likely to smoke.

Yeah...I don't believe there have been enough stats collected at this point...

[ELVIS]

Originally Posted By FORD
This is evidence of resting my forearms on a table in a local pub after a BCE smoker was sitting at that same spot.

http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base_images/zp/allergic_reactions_to_wood.jpg

Damn FORD, did the BCE hack your computer again ??

We believe you...Posting your own pic is not necessary !!


:biggrin:

[Seshmeister]

There was a UN study a while back which apparently found that the kids of smokers got some resistance to some smoking related diseases and since it wasn't the result they wanted or expected they didn't publish it.

That said I think it was just one study and with all the fucking dodgy stunts the tobacco industry has pulled over the years who knows if they bought this one by some back door.

[ELVIS]

There was a UN study a while back which apparently found that the kids of smokers got some resistance to some smoking related diseases and since it wasn't the result they wanted or expected they didn't publish it.



That describes nearly all the new drug testing in the US...

[Seshmeister]

Despite what they always pretend when people complain about inflated prices a typical drug company spends less than 15% of their budget on research and over 40% on marketing.

[ELVIS]

If you mean testing as opposed to "research."

And I would bet it's not even 5% on testing...


:elvis:

[FORD]

During the 8 years of the Chimpministration - probably the most Big Pharma connected cabinet ever - drug commercials took over TV. It's ridiculous to do mass level marketing for something you can't even buy without a note from your doctor. Unless you want to convince millions of people that they need to be on this shit.

Which, granted, is the purpose of all advertising. But the stuff they used to advertise on TV probably wouldn't turn you into a zombie (except for Van Hagar albums) or kill you, like several of these newer BCE-FDA approved drugs have.

[blonddgirl777]

My son goes to daycare in a ladie's house who's husband smokes. Of course, nobody smokes while the children are there (he's off working all day). But, when my 2 years old comes home, his hair and clothes smell so much...
It's just gross!

I was a regular smoker until I was 29 and I quit (cold turkey). Now I can smoke a cigarette once or twice a year... To socialize.

I'm glad I was able to quit!

[ELVIS]

Using BCE as an excuse for practically everything wrong in the world, certainly Obama falls under the BCE heading...


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[ELVIS]

BTW, I love cold turkey...

Black Friday is my favorite eating day all year...


:biggrin:

[blonddgirl777]

The most appropriate question to be asked about Obama's tobacco intake is




WHO FUCKING CARES??

In deed...
Nobody should, anyway.
It is personal...
Does he eat too much red meat? Does he drink too much coffee? Does he indulge in too many doughnuts? Does he brush his teeth 3 times a day,
is he regular... :toilet-humor: ?...

ANYTHING!!! :rolleyes:

[ELVIS]

It is personal...
Does he eat too much red meat? Does he drink too much coffee? Does he indulge in too many doughnuts? Does he brush his teeth 3 times a day,
is he regular... :toilet-humor: ?...

ANYTHING!!! :rolleyes:

FORD can probably answer those questions for ya...


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[FORD]

Actually he does not drink coffee. Which probably explains how he's able to keep his blood pressure down, depsite being a recovering tobacco addict with one of the most stressful jobs in the world.

I'm useless before my first cup in the morning, I'll admit it. Which could be why my blood pressure isn't as good as it could be. :(

The President's only about 5 years older than me, but he's probably in a lot better shape. Even though my lungs are pinker.

[Seshmeister]

If you mean testing as opposed to "research."

And I would bet it's not even 5% on testing...


:elvis:

I was meaning that when big pharma turn around and try and justify the prices of drugs they always say that they need to make all that money for 20 years to pay for their research when what they actually mean is that they need the money to pay for the marketing.

The second big problem is that they put so much effort into dumb anti-depressants rather than stuff we really need like new antibiotics because you take anti depresents for years and in the US you can market them directly to the customer whereas an antibiotic is only taken for a week or two.

This is why there hasn't been a completely new antibiotic developed in 20 years as more and more bugs become immune because farmers stuff them into livestock.

Sometimes the free market can produce really stupid results...

[kwame k]

I was meaning that when big pharma turn around and try and justify the prices of drugs they always say that they need to make all that money for 20 years to pay for their research when what they actually mean is that they need the money to pay for the marketing.

The second big problem is that they put so much effort into dumb anti-depressants rather than stuff we really need like new antibiotics because you take anti depresents for years and in the US you can market them directly to the customer whereas an antibiotic is only taken for a week or two.

This is why there hasn't been a completely new antibiotic developed in 20 years as more and more bugs become immune because farmers stuff them into livestock.

Sometimes the free market can produce really stupid results...

I agree that the drug companies spend way more money on doctor perks,free samples and media advertising than they do on research and testing. I was in a doctor's office and was reading a trade journal and the gist of it was that.....doctor's over-prescribe medication by an alarming percentage over 50% I believe......the article went on to say that doctor's get huge incentives to prescribe certain drugs and do so to reap the fringe benefits....this was from the AMA itself, I believe........

Here's a 2001 study about
New 2001 Data Show Big Drug Companies Spent Almost Two-and-a-Half Times as Much on Marketing, Advertising and Administration as They Spent on Research and Development


According to the report, compiled by the consumer health organization Families USA, the nine U.S. publicly traded companies that market many of the most popular drugs to seniors spent a total of $45.4 billion on marketing, advertising, and administration and only $19.1 billion on R&D last year. Eight of the nine companies spent more than twice as much on marketing, advertising, and administration as they did on R&D.

COMPANY
PERCENT OF REVENUES SPENT ON MARKETING/ADVERTISING/ADMINISTRATION

Merck
13

Pfizer
35

Bristol-Myers Squibb
27

Abbott Laboratories
23

Wyeth
37

Pharmacia
44

Eli Lilly
30

Schering-Plough
36

Allergan
42



Link (http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/newsroom/press-releases/2002-press-releases/press-release-new-2001-data-show-big-drug-companies-spent-almost-two-and-one-half-times-as-much-on-marketing-advertising-and-administration-as-they-spent-on-research-and-development.html)


As far as banning public smoking......I think the market should correct itself, especially as far as bars are concern.......bars should have to disclose that they are a smoking facility and if overwhelming customer sentiment says that people will not go to such places and there's no profit, bars will become non-smoking.......or if a bar realizes that if it offers a smoke free place they will make more money than you'll see bars going smoke free.......it should be fully disclosed that the bar is either smoking or non smoking so we as consumers can make that decision, not the government.........on the flip side and having worked in bars for years.........employee safety should be factored in......if a bar offers smoking they should be required to have proper ventilation or filtration of smoke.......I mean, if you have a grill, you have to have proper fire suppression and safety.....why not the same for smoking......

[LoungeMachine]

well if you were around a guy that was freebasing some heroin you would

freebasing heroin?

:hee:

[Redballjets88]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebase_(chemistry)#Freebase_heroin

num num num num

[FORD]

From that wiki page.....

When used as a verb, it refers to smoking freebase cocaine, crack cocaine, freebase heroin or more rarely freebase PCP or caffeine.

Freebase caffeine??

Now what the fucking Hell would be the point of that?:confused12:

[Redballjets88]

From that wiki page.....

When used as a verb, it refers to smoking freebase cocaine, crack cocaine, freebase heroin or more rarely freebase PCP or caffeine.

Freebase caffeine??

Now what the fucking Hell would be the point of that?:confused12:

I smoke my coffee grounds every morning.

I want to go to starbucks and order a venti freebase coffee with a lighter, and metal spoon on the side.

[FORD]

If you're such a hardcore caffeine junkie that drinking coffee, Jolt cola, or energy drinks doesn't cut it for you, I guess you could always crush Vivarin pills up and snort the shit, if you really had to go that far.

[Redballjets88]

i'll just switch to blow

[FORD]

i'll just switch to blow

Well, now that Chimpy lives in Dallas, you know where to go for the good stuff. :D

[blonddgirl777]

... I'm useless before my first cup in the morning, I'll admit it. Which could be why my blood pressure isn't as good as it could be. :( ....


Give ME some of that blood pressure!

Mine has always been too low. With low blood sugar, sometimes I feel dead.
When I have blood tests, I pass out or go through vagus shock...
I can't stand up too fast and am always cold. It sucks.

But this isn't nearly as dangerous as having high blood pressure. I can only imagine... Drinking coffee gives me that "rush" but I've stoped drinking it because of it's oxident nature. My body needs "detox" from all that coffee I drank. So I take this natural tonic called' "Xtra Sharp". It contains many anti-oxident ingredients that will also give you that jump start in the mornin' (with just a little guarana). I also rep./sell it. On the bottle, it sais; Not to use if you are pregnant/breast feeding, have glaucoma, high blood pressure, heart problems or insomnia.

When I take those 2 table spoons of it in the morning, it feels like back in the 80's... 2 lines before entering the club at night!

:headlights:

http://www.immunotec.com/IRL/Public/en/CAN/item_0006100.wcp
Let me know if you want some (but unfortunately not you, FORD)... I'll be your dealer!

[blonddgirl777]

... Freebase caffeine??

Now what the fucking Hell would be the point of that?:confused12:

Yep. Gotta enjoy every aspect of coffee...

The smell and taste of coffee is just soooo damn good!
Warming up as holding the cup, having your kitchen smelling and hearing that coffee maker... That used to be an addiction for me, on top of drinking it.

Eating a couple coffee beans, dipped in chocolate is also delicious!

[binnie]

That's good of you Mr Himmler.

If people are so weak they have to invent these 'allergies' they should stay out of bars and go to seniors knitting clubs or just sit at home in an oxygen tent.

As for employees - get a job you like. The market will provide anti smoking bars if that's what people want.

Most of the whining bastards are ex smoker hypocrites who should fuck off.

I've never smoked, but this sums up exactly how I feel about the whole affair. There are far bigger issues to worry about.

[hideyoursheep]

Eating a couple coffee beans, dipped in chocolate is also delicious!

Ughh!


:uck:

It's like these Africans at work chewing cola nuts!

Ooff!

I probably shouldn't say anything, because I eat ballgame peanuts shell and all....

[blonddgirl777]

Ughh!


:uck:

It's like these Africans at work chewing cola nuts!

Ooff! ....

But you can't eat more that 2-3 of them... You should try it!
They have it at Starfucks, here... Dipped in chiocolate, blueberry flavored etc...
Can't say I'm a big fan.

[blonddgirl777]

... I probably shouldn't say anything, because I eat ballgame peanuts shell and all....

I love peanut butter... The smooth one.
Now peanut shells?
Eeeeewww!!! and OUCH!

[FORD]

Peanut shells? A bit stringy, but I guess that's one way of getting your fiber. Seems to work for elephants.......

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/flippy70/elephant20shit.jpg

[Redballjets88]

Well, now that Chimpy lives in Dallas, you know where to go for the good stuff. :D

Between Bush and Obama we are really racking up the former coke using presidents.

[blonddgirl777]

Peanut shells? A bit stringy, but I guess that's one way of getting your fiber. Seems to work for elephants.......

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/flippy70/elephant20shit.jpg

Holly shit!
I just saw someone's legs sticking out ou that huge pile!
:hee: :barf:

[swage33]

man, my intentions with this thread went totally off track. Think about it this way...if Obama came on your TV and said, "I'm addicted to tobacco!", would you have voted for him?

[Seshmeister]

25% of Americans are addicted to nicotine.

Only 13% of Americans are black...

[kwame k]

man, my intentions with this thread went totally off track. Think about it this way...if Obama came on your TV and said, "I'm addicted to tobacco!", would you have voted for him?

of course I would of.....now had I known he was black and a super secret Muslim....well that's another story.....

[blonddgirl777]

...if Obama came on your TV and said, "I'm addicted to tobacco!", would you have voted for him?

What kind of NON- political question is that? :pullinghair:

[swage33]

What kind of NON- political question is that? :pullinghair:

the whole premise in non-political. politically speaking, a wise crackhead can run this country. the premise of the original post is that smokers are less than in todays society. they are victims of the big tobacco companies. they are weak, selfish, inconsiderate, ....dumb! could anyone disagree with my perception of the public depiction of smokers today? no wise argument could say that the picture painted by the anti-smoking campaign is less than flattering to smokers.....could it?

[LoungeMachine]

man, my intentions with this thread went totally off track. Think about it this way...if Obama came on your TV and said, "I'm addicted to tobacco!", would you have voted for him?

.yes.

[FORD]

man, my intentions with this thread went totally off track. Think about it this way...if Obama came on your TV and said, "I'm addicted to tobacco!", would you have voted for him?


Considering the greatest President of the 20th Century was this man......

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kwm6w8FJxRY/SO6wc1D6XLI/AAAAAAAAAro/Gn31jXvCWh0/s400/fdr.jpg

.... I wouldn't call it a deal breaker.

And actually, Obama confessed to his tobacco addiction on 60 Minutes in the very early stages of the primaries. So I knew all about it and voted for him anyway.

[FORD]

Holly shit!
I just saw someone's legs sticking out ou that huge pile!
:hee: :barf:

I think the story is that the guy was actually planning to collect the elephant shit in a bag for fertilizer or whatever reason, and he wasn't expecting the results he got. Unfortunately for him, once an avalanche of elephant crap lands on you, there really isn't anywhere for you to go.

[swage33]

Considering the greatest President of the 20th Century was this man......

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kwm6w8FJxRY/SO6wc1D6XLI/AAAAAAAAAro/Gn31jXvCWh0/s400/fdr.jpg

.... I wouldn't call it a deal breaker.

Not an opinion that reflects the popular view these days.

[Combat Ready]

Look--Best guess is our 3 most recent Presidents (current included) have smoked marlboros, weed....And maybe more. Plus--odds are the 3 have also snorted a little blow.

Any problem with that statement?

No prob with me...So long as you cut government spending and get out of the way. All have or will fail to do so. Clinton and Bush expanded government....As will be the case with Obama. That's the problem....In my view anyway.

Say no to socialism folks....It just don't work.

[swage33]

Look--Best guess is our 3 most recent Presidents (current included) have smoked marlboros, weed....And maybe more. Plus--odds are the 3 have also snorted a little blow.

Any problem with that statement?

No prob with me...So long as you cut government spending and get out of the way. All have or will fail to do so. Clinton and Bush expanded government....As will be the case with Obama. That's the problem....In my view anyway.

Say no to socialism folks....It just don't work.

No problem with that statement at all. Hyprocricy has to be exposed for what it is. Do you think Truth.com supports republicans? It is the failure of the Mccain campaign that this wasn't made an issue. It is a huge issue and effects many americans on a personal level. Look, this thread has over 100 responses....is this a minor issue? No, it's not.

[Baby's On Fire]

Actually, I was on the formula, but I made up for it in later years :bigboobs:

Nah, I don't need a government to tell me shit. But I also don't care for a government subsidized mutant poison that oddly enough is not used anywhere else on planet Earth being in 2/3 of anything you buy in the goddamn grocery store.

I can easily not drink domestic Coke or Pepsi. I have enough alternatives, including good old unsweetened beer. :gulp:

It's a little more difficult finding something to eat for breakfast or even a fucking jar of pasta sauce that hasn't been polluted with that shit.

The solution is simple: Go organic.

[Combat Ready]

The solution is simple: Go organic.

What a "Gay response"......Baby's a fag? Just kidding.......

[hideyoursheep]

It is the failure of the Mccain campaign that this wasn't made an issue. It is a huge issue and effects many americans on a personal level. Look, this thread has over 100 responses....is this a minor issue? No, it's not.

First off, for the McCain camp to try and make Obama's smoking an issue would have been flat-out retawded...do you think American's are so stupid as to worry about what Obama does with Kools? Not much of an issue, considering who McCain chose as a running mate!

Secondly, less than half the posts address SmokerGate...some aren't even about smoking at all, so don't go patting yourself on the back just yet..

:stoned-smiley:

[hideyoursheep]

Peanut shells?

Only if they are dry-roasted and salted.:toilet-humor:

[Top Jimmy]

this is cool...

our president is a smoker (insert cigar joke here)

we've got a Clinton on the international stage again

Our leading Olympic swimmer (perhaps of all time) is a bong-ripper....

The good times are here again, people!!!!!
:hitch:

Don't worry about the economy, it'll heal in time...
let's all get laid!

Party-ON, Garth!!

[FORD]

The solution is simple: Go organic.

No place to plant a garden at present. I buy organic stuff when I can find it and when the price isn't completely ridiculous, but that's no excuse to allow the corn whores to keep their stranglehold on the US food supply. Canadian food companies manage to use real sugar, and there sure as fuck ain't any sugar cane growing up there.

[Ally_Kat]

Not an opinion that reflects the popular view these days.

Dude, what?

[Nickdfresh]

No place to plant a garden at present. I buy organic stuff when I can find it and when the price isn't completely ridiculous, but that's no excuse to allow the corn whores to keep their stranglehold on the US food supply. Canadian food companies manage to use real sugar, and there sure as fuck ain't any sugar cane growing up there.


Works for Phelps!

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/michael-phelps-stoned.jpg

[blonddgirl777]

the whole premise in non-political.....could it?

See...
When asking if one would vote for such or such candidate to the presidency of a country, it should strictly have to do with politics. Not behaviors as romote as smoking (wich is still a legal act in the U.S.).

Presidents are human beings, not super heroes...

Let the guy indulge in a cigarette or two... or more. And concentrate on real issues... Like running a country out of poverty and debts!

[Redballjets88]

Works for Phelps!

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/michael-phelps-stoned.jpg

This picture alone should force legalization. Because now what arguments will the anit pot people have? If Phelps can be the greatest Olympian ever, and toke, it would seem like all of the people saying it makes you lazy and is super harmful look stupid

[Baby's On Fire]

What a "Gay response"......Baby's a fag? Just kidding.......


So a succinct response to a direct question is "gay"?

Typical fucking redneck American.

Yeeeeeehaaaawwwww!

US of fucking A.....America is the best. Number Fucking 1

[Baby's On Fire]

No place to plant a garden at present. I buy organic stuff when I can find it and when the price isn't completely ridiculous, but that's no excuse to allow the corn whores to keep their stranglehold on the US food supply. Canadian food companies manage to use real sugar, and there sure as fuck ain't any sugar cane growing up there.

"Real sugar" is a deadly toxin to the human body dude. Not as bad as high fructose corn syrup....but deadly nonetheless. Brown sugar...white sugar....turbinado sugar....starch......there's no difference inside the body.

Wait......I'm gonna be called "a fag" by some redneck now.

[Baby's On Fire]

Works for Phelps!

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/michael-phelps-stoned.jpg


Well at least Phelps went organic.....................

[Ally_Kat]

This picture alone should force legalization. Because now what arguments will the anit pot people have? If Phelps can be the greatest Olympian ever, and toke, it would seem like all of the people saying it makes you lazy and is super harmful look stupid

you do realize that when it's legalized, they'll become just as harmful as smoking cigarettes with all the additives added in (Not to mention inhaling any type of smoke is not good for your lungs). Yeah, people could grow but it's a temperamental plant. The average guy would buy a pack from the store.

[Combat Ready]

US of fucking A.....America is the best. Number Fucking 1

Agreed. Land of the free and the home of the brave!