Stimulus bill seeks to recover Wall Street bonuses

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  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    Stimulus bill seeks to recover Wall Street bonuses

    WASHINGTON – Financial institutions that received federal bailout money and paid large executive bonuses would be required to compensate taxpayers under the economic stimulus bill approved by the Senate.

    The $838 billion measure includes an amendment penalizing companies that paid bonuses greater than $100,000 to executives after receiving government rescue funds last year. The amendment would require the companies to repay within four months any portion of the bonus above $100,000 or face an excise tax of 35 percent on the portion of the bonus above $100,000.

    The Senate approved the stimulus bill 61-37 on Tuesday, setting up negotiations with the House, which passed a slightly different version last week.

    "It should have gone without saying that the bailout money was never intended for employee bonuses, but once again financial institutions have taken advantage of lax regulation and the public trust," said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., who co-sponsored the amendment with Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine.

    "The American people are demanding that these firms get serious about getting our economy back on track,' Wyden said. "Congress has to show that it is willing to step in until they get the message."

    Snowe, one of just three Republicans to back the stimulus bill, said the financial bailout Congress approved last fall "left open an escape hatch of golden parachutes for top executives on Wall Street, the same individuals whose careless mistakes hurt the financial system and forced taxpayers to foot the bill in the first place."

    She said that by requiring the companies to return bailout funds used to pay big bonuses, the government could "claw back" bonuses already paid to senior executives at firms that received money in the final quarter of 2008 from the Treasury Department's Troubled Asset Relief Program, known as TARP.

    Snowe and Wyden said their amendment would work in conjunction with the Treasury Department's new guidelines on executive pay for financial institutions receiving TARP funds, by applying strict standards to bonuses paid in 2008. The new guidelines, announced Tuesday, apply to the unspent $350 billion installment of the $700 billion bailout fund.

    The Joint Committee on Taxation estimates that the Wyden-Snowe amendment would raise as much as $3.2 billion. Financial institutions received more than $274 billion through the bailout program while paying out an estimated $18.4 billion in employee bonuses last year, the committee said.

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    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D
  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    #2
    So that's 18 billion coming back to the taxpayers..........

    The thing that still blows my mind is.....when asked, the banks couldn't tell you where the money they were given went.......Wha? Sounds like Haliburton when asked to give an accounting of where 10's of millions of dollars went.....Answer.....duh, I don't know. Now that was accountability under Dubya's Administration.........looks like Obama is going to do just a bit better........Fiscal Responsibility and Accountablity......a new concept.
    Last edited by kwame k; 02-10-2009, 10:21 PM.
    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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    • LoungeMachine
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 32576

      #3
      The original TARP "bailout" [read: corporate welfare" ] was a fucking going away reacharound from BushCO, plain and simple.

      And we picked up the tab.

      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • Big Train
        Full Member Status

        • Apr 2004
        • 4013

        #4
        And we are now about to pick up the tab on the union reach around act , bailout 2.

        This is grandstanding of the worst kind. Anyone who knows anything about contract law understands that the majority of those bonuses were guaranteed, so it's just a fine. So you took back their bonuses, big fucking deal. They are still in play and will have amended and restructured contracts (amending their current agreements, thereby sidestepping the 500k bullshit) post haste.

        This is as toothless as every other measure they have taken thus far to correct anything in the markets.

        It's like taking a cookie away after a free meal.

        Lounge, let me help you. Under WHOSE watch were those people pulling down their bonuses? Survey says...

        Ok good, we can move on to something constructive now...

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        • hideyoursheep
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2007
          • 6351

          #5
          Originally posted by Big Train
          And we are now about to pick up the tab on the union reach around act , bailout 2.

          This is grandstanding of the worst kind. Anyone who knows anything about contract law understands that the majority of those bonuses were guaranteed, so it's just a fine. ...
          How in the FUCK can any legitimate business guarantee a bonus, when the CEO's are waiting in line at congress' door with their hands out, claiming to be BROKE?

          The Right whines about giving to the poor and middle class, but somehow a bonus for bank execs who FAIL should somehow be justified?

          -Don't make sense.

          You don't reward bad business by using borrowed money to give bonuses and junkets for spa treatments. -PERIOD. They should be shitcanned immediately.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49570

            #6
            Originally posted by Big Train
            And we are now about to pick up the tab on the union reach around act , bailout 2.

            This is grandstanding of the worst kind. Anyone who knows anything about contract law understands that the majority of those bonuses were guaranteed, so it's just a fine. So you took back their bonuses, big fucking deal. They are still in play and will have amended and restructured contracts (amending their current agreements, thereby sidestepping the 500k bullshit) post haste.

            This is as toothless as every other measure they have taken thus far to correct anything in the markets.

            It's like taking a cookie away after a free meal.

            Lounge, let me help you. Under WHOSE watch were those people pulling down their bonuses? Survey says...

            Ok good, we can move on to something constructive now...
            So only corporate whore CEOs are supposed to make bank? The guys that earn 30K tp $70K a year working their asses off (many of whom are about to lose their unemployment benefits) can go fuck themselves? Right!

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            • sadaist
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jul 2004
              • 11625

              #7
              Originally posted by hideyoursheep
              You don't reward bad business by using borrowed money to give bonuses and junkets for spa treatments. -PERIOD. They should be shitcanned immediately.

              I'd be willing to bet that a few million spent on a weekend junket sustains more employment than the same few million being spent to fix a crappy bike path in someones city in the current stimulus plan.
              “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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              • Big Train
                Full Member Status

                • Apr 2004
                • 4013

                #8
                Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                How in the FUCK can any legitimate business guarantee a bonus, when the CEO's are waiting in line at congress' door with their hands out, claiming to be BROKE?

                The Right whines about giving to the poor and middle class, but somehow a bonus for bank execs who FAIL should somehow be justified?

                -Don't make sense.

                You don't reward bad business by using borrowed money to give bonuses and junkets for spa treatments. -PERIOD. They should be shitcanned immediately.
                Dummy, I'm AGREEING they should be replaced. I'm saying Obama's "punishment proposals" have no fucking teeth.

                A legitimate business that hits a performance target does guarantee a bonus structure for upper management, happens in most industries. Whatever metric they had for performance targets they were hitting. Remember, a lot of this swept lots of legit biz down the tubes, as the bottom dropped out. Wasn't like they weren't having good years up UNTIL it dropped out. Those contracts usually run 3-5 years.

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                • Big Train
                  Full Member Status

                  • Apr 2004
                  • 4013

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  So only corporate whore CEOs are supposed to make bank? The guys that earn 30K tp $70K a year working their asses off (many of whom are about to lose their unemployment benefits) can go fuck themselves? Right!
                  You too, where exactly do you get that from? You project these things from my comments as if that was what I was thinking. I'm simply criticizing a poorly written bill and an even more poorly written executive order.

                  But since you have decided to bring up this second line of thought, here goes. The 30-70k guy does deserve to make a living. I don't believe this bill is gonna give the average guy that much work to do. It will make the unions more powerful (and probably the Mafia to, as there will be competition for these union jobs), as they will lord over 90% of this busy work. However, this bill does very little to help create sustainable jobs in new industries, where Mr. 30-70k will feed his family over the long term. But we can dumb it down and say yea, I don't care....I'll think of some things to project on you for later.

                  Like, what, you don't care about business? You don't care about job stability in corporations?

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                  • WACF
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2920

                    #10
                    Originally posted by sadaist
                    I'd be willing to bet that a few million spent on a weekend junket sustains more employment than the same few million being spent to fix a crappy bike path in someones city in the current stimulus plan.
                    But everyone that lives in someone's city will get to enjoy the bike path for many years.

                    That weekend junket only benefits a select few and is over before they know it.

                    When the government hands out money to fix infanstructure you take it...it is not often money is handed out freely to fix things that should of already been taken care of.

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                    • sadaist
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 11625

                      #11
                      Originally posted by WACF
                      But everyone that lives in someone's city will get to enjoy the bike path for many years.

                      That weekend junket only benefits a select few and is over before they know it.

                      When the government hands out money to fix infrastructure you take it...it is not often money is handed out freely to fix things that should of already been taken care of.
                      Not really. The money goes to all the employees, caterers, valet, bartenders, restaurants, etc... Then those people pay their bills, buy things locally and recirculate that money. Then those stores where the money was spent hire more people, creating more jobs, more paychecks, more people spending money. Circle of life. This is why cities fight so hard (and spend a ton of dough) for the privilege to host the Super Bowl. Only one weekend, but that huge infusion of money starts circulating around & around.

                      And the problem I have with the government "stimulus" bill fixing shit like bike paths is that my local taxes are supposed to cover those already. I hate paying for stuff more than once. Even Van Halen I.....8-track, cassette, album, cd, remastered cd. Not to mention how many times I had to re buy those due to sun warping, scratching, dropping between the car seats & ruining it.......
                      “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                      • kwame k
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 11302

                        #12
                        Originally posted by sadaist
                        Not really. The money goes to all the employees, caterers, valet, bartenders, restaurants, etc... Then those people pay their bills, buy things locally and recirculate that money. Then those stores where the money was spent hire more people, creating more jobs, more paychecks, more people spending money. Circle of life. This is why cities fight so hard (and spend a ton of dough) for the privilege to host the Super Bowl. Only one weekend, but that huge infusion of money starts circulating around & around.

                        And the problem I have with the government "stimulus" bill fixing shit like bike paths is that my local taxes are supposed to cover those already. I hate paying for stuff more than once. Even Van Halen I.....8-track, cassette, album, cd, remastered cd. Not to mention how many times I had to re buy those due to sun warping, scratching, dropping between the car seats & ruining it.......

                        So your solution is, if I am understanding you correctly, to allow CEO's, bureaucrats, and lobbyist to bilk millions of taxpayer's dollars to have parties? Yeah, now that is Fiscally Responsible right there.......fuck the infrastructure, fuck your children's education, fuck public saftey.........Washington, throw a huge fucking party.....that'll fix it!

                        BTW, are you really Henry Paulson?
                        Originally posted by vandeleur
                        E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 59659

                          #13
                          Well, I guess we know now that Olympia Snowe is the real moderate republican in Maine. Susan Collins, not so much (at least based on her recent performance).

                          Maybe it's the name? My home town is known for Liberalism, after all........
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                          • BlimpyCHIMP™
                            Banned
                            • May 2004
                            • 637

                            #14
                            Any body whining about this that is Democrat is a retard.

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                            • LoungeMachine
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 32576

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BlimpyCHIMP™
                              Any body whining about this that is Democrat is a retard.
                              Put the alias away GARicki.

                              Fucking moron.

                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                              Originally posted by cadaverdog
                              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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