Since no one else has the balls to!

[kwame k]

OK, I hear some of you saying to me, "Bush this, Bush that, Bush is to blame for everything Kwame".........In the spirit of open and honest exchange and the fact that every other post I make, I have to back up with facts.......now it's your turn.......

What 10 things did Bush get right?

Don't even give me the no terra-ist attacks bullshit.....terra-ist attacks world wide went up 300% while Bush was President.

[LoungeMachine]

I did this same thread 4 years ago.......


:crickets:




Finally BT stepped up and had the balls to post, but even then it was pretty faint praise at best.

:gulp:



They'll point to no "terrorist attack" on US soil since 9/11, ignoring the Anthrax deaths, and attacks on US Congressmen, and the fact we've lost over 4,200 brave men and women, 10's of thousands scarred for life, 100's of thousands of civilans killed, billions wasted, and still we have unsecure borders, food supplies, nuclear faciclities, and ports.

[MUSICMANN]

OK, I hear some of you saying to me, "Bush this, Bush that, Bush is to blame for everything Kwame".........In the spirit of open and honest exchange and the fact that every other post I make, I have to back up with facts.......now it's your turn.......

What 10 things did Bush get right?

Don't even give me the no terra-ist attacks bullshit.....terra-ist attacks world wide went up 300% while Bush was President.


Ill be the first to say. While yes, terrorist attacks went up 300% in other counties, The USA has not been attacked. Bush was President of the USA, not the world. I see this because we forced them to have to defend themselves in their backyard so they couldn't roam free and plan more attacks here.

This one thing he did was the best thing he ever did. I don't live in another country. If some far away wherever gets attacked, it's not gonna stop business in this country. The other way around, we all were part of what happened.

[kwame k]

Nope.....you didn't back it up with facts and links.......show me one credible report or link..........By Bush's own admission....."This is a Global War on Terra" his words dude.

[LoungeMachine]

He's already admitted he doesn't deal with "facts", only opinions.

Facts seem to trip him up, and then I get accused of twisting his words.

:gulp:

[kwame k]

OMG........in backward World......he's some help....of course this is everything Bush did wrong but in backward Land we'll replace wrong with "right"


The postmortems on the presidency of George W. Bush are all wrong. The liberal line is that Bush dangerously weakened America's position in the world and rushed to the aid of the rich and powerful as income inequality worsened. That is twaddle. Conservatives--okay, not all of them--have only been a little bit kinder. They give Bush credit for the surge that saved Iraq, but not for much else.

He deserves better. His presidency was far more successful than not. And there's an aspect of his decision-making that merits special recognition: his courage. Time and time again, Bush did what other presidents, even Ronald Reagan, would not have done and for which he was vilified and abused. That--defiantly doing the right thing--is what distinguished his presidency.

Bush had ten great achievements (and maybe more) in his eight years in the White House, starting with his decision in 2001 to jettison the Kyoto global warming treaty so loved by Al Gore, the environmental lobby, elite opinion, and Europeans. The treaty was a disaster, with India and China exempted and economic decline the certain result. Everyone knew it. But only Bush said so and acted accordingly.

He stood athwart mounting global warming hysteria and yelled, "Stop!" He slowed the movement toward a policy blunder of worldwide impact, providing time for facts to catch up with the dubious claims of alarmists. Thanks in part to Bush, the supposed consensus of scientists on global warming has now collapsed. The skeptics, who point to global cooling over the
past decade, are now heard loud and clear. And a rational approach to the theory of manmade global warming is possible.

Second, enhanced interrogation of terrorists. Along with use of secret prisons and wireless eavesdropping, this saved American lives. How many thousands of lives? We'll never know. But, as Charles Krauthammer said recently, "Those are precisely the elements which kept us safe and which have prevented a second attack."

Crucial intelligence was obtained from captured al Qaeda leaders, including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, with the help of waterboarding. Whether this tactic--it creates a drowning sensation--is torture is a matter of debate. John McCain and many Democrats say it is. Bush and Vice President Cheney insist it isn't. In any case, it was necessary. Lincoln once made a similar point in defending his suspension of habeas corpus in direct defiance of Chief Justice Roger Taney. "Are all the laws but one to go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated?" Lincoln asked. Bush understood the answer in wartime had to be no.

Bush's third achievement was the rebuilding of presidential authority, badly degraded in the era of Vietnam, Watergate, and Bill Clinton. He didn't hesitate to conduct wireless surveillance of terrorists without getting a federal judge's okay. He decided on his own how to treat terrorists and where they should be imprisoned. Those were legitimate decisions for which the president, as commander in chief, should feel no need to apologize.

Defending, all the way to the Supreme Court, Cheney's refusal to disclose to Congress the names of people he'd consulted on energy policy was also enormously important. Democratic congressman Henry Waxman demanded the names, but the Court upheld Cheney, 7-2. Last week, Cheney defended his refusal, waspishly noting that Waxman "doesn't call me up and tell me who he's meeting with."

Link (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/986rockt.asp)

:lmao::confused10:jesuslol:

[kwame k]

He's already admitted he doesn't deal with "facts", only opinions.

Facts seem to trip him up, and then I get accused of twisting his words.

:gulp:

Well, Moderator.....Moderate.......no posts on the 10 things Bush got right that don't have links or verifiable facts.

[MUSICMANN]

Well, Moderator.....Moderate.......no posts on the 10 things Bush got right that don't have links or verifiable facts.


You are telling me to back up my post with the fact that this country hasn't been attacked since 911. Gee, were do i find the facts on that.

[LoungeMachine]

You are telling me to back up my post with the fact that this country hasn't been attacked since 911. Gee, were do i find the facts on that.

Were the Anthrax attacks on US Congressmen not terrorism?

:rolleyes:

[LoungeMachine]

Well, Moderator.....Moderate.......no posts on the 10 things Bush got right that don't have links or verifiable facts.

I'm not going to edit or delete posts, unless they contain personal information, gay porn, or blatant racist terms.

It's up to you to own these fools.

:gulp:

[MUSICMANN]

Were the Anthrax attacks on US Congressmen not terrorism?

:rolleyes:


I think you're reaching dude.

[Sarge]

It's easier to think of 100 things Bush did wrong than 10 things he did right.

I consider myself a patriot and I used to consider myself a republican. I even voted for Bush the 1st Election.
I honestly think he was the worst President in the history of the United States and what he did to this country will take years to recover, if we ever do.

[LoungeMachine]

I think you're reaching dude.

How so?

How is a biological attack on US Congressman NOT "terrorism"???

Is it because the perps are white?

To you, only those dark people are terrorists?

:rolleyes:

[Sarge]

That being said, I supported his policies when he was Commander in Chief, but he isn't Commander in Chief anymore.

[LoungeMachine]

It's easier to think of 100 things Bush did wrong than 10 things he did right.

I consider myself a patriot and I used to consider myself a republican. I even voted for Bush the 1st Election.
I honestly think he was the worst President in the history of the United States and what he did to this country will take years to recover, if we ever do.

And this from a man who was on the Front Lines of this supposed "war on terror"

Thanks for the post, boss.

:appl:

[MUSICMANN]

It's easier to think of 100 things Bush did wrong than 10 things he did right.

I consider myself a patriot and I used to consider myself a republican. I even voted for Bush the 1st Election.
I honestly think he was the worst President in the history of the United States and what he did to this country will take years to recover, if we ever do.


I'm 40 yrs. old and i can't even commit to a statement like this. I don't know your age, but there have been plenty of president's that suck. Depends on you're point if view.

Nixon, Carter, come to my mind right away. i would have to say that both Bush's would fall right in place. they weren't Reagan by a long shot.

[MUSICMANN]

How so?

How is a biological attack on US Congressman NOT "terrorism"???

Is it because the perps are white?

To you, only those dark people are terrorists?

:rolleyes:

You really can consider every crime that happens to be a terroist attack. It doesn't have to be on the lvl of 911. So i will give you the anthrax thing.

With that said, i wasn't talking about homegrown, i was talking about foreign attacks.

[Sarge]

I'm 40 yrs. old and i can't even commit to a statement like this. I don't know your age, but there have been plenty of president's that suck. Depends on you're point if view.

Nixon, Carter, come to my mind right away. i would have to say that both Bush's would fall right in place. they weren't Reagan by a long shot.

Please explain to me how Nixon and Carter were worse than Bush for our country.
I am not going to make a case for those guys being the best, I am asking you to name someone who has been more destructive to the US than "W"?

[kwame k]

You are telling me to back up my post with the fact that this country hasn't been attacked since 911. Gee, were do i find the facts on that.


Simply because this country has been attacked, since. As Lounge has stated.....there's more....here's a riddle.........How can the United States of America, outside of the United States of America, own land that is still considered American soil?


Yemen - US Embassy Terror Attack Leaves Several Dead, Injured

Link (http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/09/17/yemen-us-embassy-terror-attack-leaves-several-dead-injured/)

[Sarge]

I usually don't comment at all on political items, mainly because I am a commissioned officer in the military and this is a public forum.
I find it rather hard to defend Bush.

There is a reason why we are in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and it's because the nation has been on Auto-Pilot for the last 8 years.
3 Trillion Dollars Spent in Iraq, The Whole Hurricane Katrina Debacle, Mismanaging the war, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair, Guantanamo bay .. it goes on an on!

It's really a shame the mess we are in! The majority of this could have been avoided with some intelligent leadership.
Not everything was Bush's fault, but he shares the brunt of this.

[kwame k]

I usually don't comment at all on political items, mainly because I am a commissioned officer in the military and this is a public forum.
I find it rather hard to defend Bush.

There is a reason why we are in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and it's because the nation has been on Auto-Pilot for the last 8 years.
3 Trillion Dollars Spent in Iraq, The Whole Hurricane Katrina Debacle, Mismanaging the war, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair, Guantanamo bay .. it goes on an on!

It's really a shame the mess we are in! The majority of this could have been avoided with some intelligent leadership.
Not everything was Bush's fault, but he shares the brunt of this.

Agreed.......nothing is as simple or black and white as.... it's all his fault. Many factors come into play.......Valid point.

[LoungeMachine]

When I, and many of us say "Bush's Fault", we're naturally looking and pointing fingers at those he appointed, and surrounded himself with.

Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, but he FIRES Gen Eric Shinsecki, as an example...

[kwame k]

When I, and many of us say "Bush's Fault", we're naturally looking and pointing fingers at those he appointed, and surrounded himself with.

Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, but he FIRES Gen Eric Shinsecki, as an example...

Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and forces Colin Powell out.

[Sarge]

When I, and many of us say "Bush's Fault", we're naturally looking and pointing fingers at those he appointed, and surrounded himself with.

Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, but he FIRES Gen Eric Shinsecki, as an example...

I met Gen Shinsecki last year when he came to our post for Asian American Heritage. He is a cool guy. I used to harbor ill will against him for making us change from softcaps to beret's..

I also attended a Townhall meeting today with LTG Jack C. Stultz (Chief of Army Reserves) and LTG Clyde Vaughn (Director of the Army National Guard)
That is a total of 6 stars :)
Anyways.. they said they were told not to expect a significant drawdown in troops for another 24 months.

Not trying to sound important. Anyone could attend the townhall meeting.
Breasts,

[MUSICMANN]

Please explain to me how Nixon and Carter were worse than Bush for our country.
I am not going to make a case for those guys being the best, I am asking you to name someone who has been more destructive to the US than "W"?

I'm trying to see you're point of view. If you are basing you're opinion on the Iraq war, didn't Kennedy get us into Vietnam, which was way worse than what's happening now.

Carter, had the economic, energy and his foriegn policies that had his rating's below Nixon.

Nixon had the still lingering of the Vietnam war and being the only prseident to resign from office.

Every president had their good and bad momnets in history. Bush definitly won't be recieving any awards for being the most liked president at home or abroad, that's for sure.

But the worst in history, i guess only time will tell.

[thome]

I did this same thread 4 years ago.......


:crickets:




Finally BT stepped up and had the balls to post, but even then it was pretty faint praise at best.

:gulp:



They'll point to no "terrorist attack" on US soil since 9/11, ignoring the Anthrax deaths, and attacks on US Congressmen, and the fact we've lost over 4,200 brave men and women, 10's of thousands scarred for life, 100's of thousands of civilans killed, billions wasted, and still we have unsecure borders, food supplies, nuclear faciclities, and ports.

Why is this - TROLL - still allowed to post here .

Get back to your trailor ...I heard Mill Best is on sale..hmm what else ..

??/
let's see..
TROLL!! Beer, Trailor,..... lil help......?// LOL:tongue0011:

[kwame k]

I'm trying to see you're point of view. If you are basing you're opinion on the Iraq war, didn't Kennedy get us into Vietnam, which was way worse than what's happening now.

Carter, had the economic, energy and his foriegn policies that had his rating's below Nixon.

Nixon had the still lingering of the Vietnam war and being the only prseident to resign from office.

Every president had their good and bad momnets in history. Bush definitly won't be recieving any awards for being the most liked president at home or abroad, that's for sure.

But the worst in history, i guess only time will tell.

Nope.....Truman started the ball rolling in Vietnam....Link (http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch26.htm)

[MUSICMANN]

I did this same thread 4 years ago.......


:crickets:




Finally BT stepped up and had the balls to post, but even then it was pretty faint praise at best.

:gulp:



They'll point to no "terrorist attack" on US soil since 9/11, ignoring the Anthrax deaths, and attacks on US Congressmen, and the fact we've lost over 4,200 brave men and women, 10's of thousands scarred for life, 100's of thousands of civilans killed, billions wasted, and still we have unsecure borders, food supplies, nuclear faciclities, and ports.


And all this combined was nothing more than a pimple on a nats ass when compared to just one week during WWII.

Get over yourself, you're not part of some great liberal generation movement.
Shit like this has been happening for a long time.

I guess you are one of those people that raise's a flag in one hand and then want's to sign a bill reducing the amount of funding the miltitary gets.

Talk about being a hyprocrit.

[LoungeMachine]

There you go again with your links and facts.......

:gulp:

[MUSICMANN]

Nope.....Truman started the ball rolling in Vietnam....Link (http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch26.htm)


That may be true, but Kennedy didn't listen to all the people saying that America would get stuck in Vietnam and kept pouring in money and troops. Kinda like how Bush didn't back down from his stance on Iraq.

As bad as this may sound, Kennedy got lucky. If he had not been assassinated, he would have been sharing the spot with bush as the worst president in history.

[LoungeMachine]

And all this combined was nothing more than a pimple on a nats ass when compared to just one week during WWII.

Get over yourself, you're not part of some great liberal generation movement.
Shit like this has been happening for a long time.

I guess you are one of those people that raise's a flag in one hand and then want's to sign a bill reducing the amount of funding the miltitary gets.

Talk about being a hyprocrit.

:rolleyes:

WTF are you even talking about now?

You know, you have a habit of telling people what they must think, when you can't even compose your OWN thoughts into coherent sentences.

You get your facts wrong, and when presented with evidence, you fall back on the "I'm too busy with my businesses to look it up" bullshit.

And it's hypcorite, with an E, moron. That's the 3rd time you've posted that, so you can't claim typo.


Look, you're a moron. You don't know what you're talking about, and you can deny it all you want, I KNOW you listen to Rush/Hannity/Savage all day long.

You spout "Liberal Elite" without even know what you mean.

It's a sad day when the Republican Party is represented in here by the likes of you.

At least Warham, Brian, Catherdal knew what the fuck they were talking about.

Jesus on a Triscuit, you're just plain dumb. Boring, repetitive, and dumb.

:gulp:

[MUSICMANN]

There you go again with your links and facts.......

:gulp:
Since you seem to be so good at digging up facts. I figure you will just look up the shit to prove me wrong anyway.

[LoungeMachine]

That may be true, but Kennedy didn't listen to all the people saying that America would get stuck in Vietnam .

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID.

YOU SAID KENNEDY GO US INTO VIET NAM

:rolleyes:

Or am I "twisting your words again? Let's check:


I'm trying to see you're point of view. If you are basing you're opinion on the Iraq war, didn't Kennedy get us into Vietnam, which was way worse than what's happening now.

l.



Idiot.

:gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

Since you seem to be so good at digging up facts. I figure you will just look up the shit to prove me wrong anyway.

It's not that hard.

:gulp:

[kwame k]

That may be true, but Kennedy didn't listen to all the people saying that America would get stuck in Vietnam and kept pouring in money and troops. Kinda like how Bush didn't back down from his stance on Iraq.

As bad as this may sound, Kennedy got lucky. If he had not been assassinated, he would have been sharing the spot with bush as the worst president in history.

Nope.......
I was therefore excited and intrigued when, two years ago, a potentially definitive document on JFK’s Vietnam plans turned up during the processing of the papers of Evelyn Lincoln, his personal secretary. The item in question, a crumpled onionskin carbon copy, contained the typed transcript of a tape-recorded telephone conversation. Hundreds of pages of these transcripts are conserved in the library’s archives, and their appearance and format are immediately recognizable. The date, October 1, 1963, is in Evelyn Lincoln’s handwriting, and the typed text reads:

President: Yes, Secretary Vance.

Vance: We would like to come over this noon, General Wheeler and I, to discuss this proposed withdrawal plan.

President: I’ll be right here.

Vance: Fine, sir, I’ll see you then.

Why did I suspect that this document might be very important? First, there is the date: Robert McNamara has written that President Kennedy, at a National Security Council meeting on October 2, 1963, the day after this conversation apparently occurred, decided to pull U.S. forces out of Vietnam by the end of 1965 and to start the process by withdrawing a thousand troops before the end of 1963.
Link (http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1999/5/1999_5_67.shtml)

Inconclusive but Kennedy would have withdrawn.....before the end of his Presidency.

[GAR]

Why is this - TROLL - still allowed to post here .

Because he's a damn good TROLL!

[MUSICMANN]

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID.

YOU SAID KENNEDY GO US INTO VIET NAM

:rolleyes:

Or am I "twisting your words again? Let's check:





Idiot.

:gulp:



Dipshit i didn't state that as a fact but more as a question. Even if Truman was the first to get involved with the French about Vietnam. It was Kennedy that didn't listen to all the people who said America would get stuck there, the same way Bush was told about Iraq.

See you are the biggest hypocrite with an E for the proffessor here. You want to trash Bush and his ways, yet when Kennedy had the same mindset it's ok in you're book.

Talk about an idiot, you are the poster boy for that.

[kwame k]

It was Kennedy that didn't listen to all the people who said America would get stuck there, the same way Bush was told about Iraq.

See you are the biggest hypocrite with an E for the proffessor here. You want to trash Bush and his ways, yet when Kennedy had the same mindset it's ok in you'r book.

Talk about an idiot, you are the poster boy for that.

Nope reread http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1321355&postcount=35

[GAR]

Jesus on a Triscuit, you're just plain dumb.

A triscuit?

Why not Jesus on a Disneyland Teacups Ride.. why not Jesus on the Moon Jesus..

Bush lined the pockets of his dad's crony's with no-bid contracts but at least they provided products and services.

The jealous Democrats now all want "in" on the endzone rush for the Taxpayer's money, once they seen Bushes run the tab up 3 trillion they wont' be satisfied till they get "their" 3 trillion.

Register and vote Independant!

[MUSICMANN]

Nope reread http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1321355&postcount=35

I don't have to reread. The proof is that Kennedy sent troops to Vietnam with people around him saying it was a bad idea. The same way Bush stuck by his decision on Iraq.

Like i said, the article doesn't prove anything. Kennedy may have wanted to pull troops by 1963 but that's unproven. Who knows what would he would have had to do if he wouldn't have been assassinated.

the moral of the point i'm trying to make is that Kennedy did things his way because he thought they were just and right. the same thing that you guys are grilling Bush for.

This is the reason for me calling some of you hypocrite's with a E for the proffessor.

[LoungeMachine]

Dipshit i didn't state that as a fact but more as a question. Even if Truman was the first to get involved with the French about Vietnam. It was Kennedy that didn't listen to all the people who said America would get stuck there, the same way Bush was told about Iraq.

See you are the biggest hypocrite with an E for the proffessor here. You want to trash Bush and his ways, yet when Kennedy had the same mindset it's ok in you're book.

Talk about an idiot, you are the poster boy for that.

Nice backpeddle, idiot.

in you're book?
proffessor?

Who is the idiot?

:lol:

[LoungeMachine]

the moral of the point i'm trying to make is

.


The wha?

:lol:

[kwame k]

Register and vote Independant!


How about registering in remedial spelling....Si-Gar.....remember February is Black History Month (http://www.history.com/minisites/blackhistory)

[kwame k]

I don't have to reread. The proof is that Kennedy sent troops to Vietnam with people around him saying it was a bad idea. The same way Bush stuck by his decision on Iraq.

Like i said, the article doesn't prove anything. Kennedy may have wanted to pull troops by 1963 but that's unproven. Who knows what would he would have had to do if he wouldn't have been assassinated.

the moral of the point i'm trying to make is that Kennedy did things his way because he thought they were just and right. the same thing that you guys are grilling Bush for.

This is the reason for me calling some of you hypocrite's with a E for the proffessor.

Dude, you're wrong again! Kennedy is a horrible example.......he listened to his advisor's. Yes, The Bay of Pigs made him not listen to the old established guard but not his inner circle .......if you read that article he even says he made a mistake by not listening to his advisor's!!!!!!!!


Tape recordings recently released by the Kennedy Library have only deepened the mystery, revealing, for example, that JFK expressed shock over the murder of President Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam and accepted “a great deal of responsibility” for sending a badly drafted message suggesting the coup to Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge: “I should not have given my consent to it without a roundtable conference in which [Secretary of Defense Robert] McNamara and [Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Maxwell] Taylor could have presented their views.” Kennedy also remarked, “Are we gonna withdraw, are we gonna say we’re gonna get out?” and suggested that “we will need a public and [Capitol] Hill position about what we are going to do about withdrawing our aid.”Link (http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1999/5/1999_5_67.shtml)

[LoungeMachine]

Again with the facts and the links.......

YOUR A BIG HYPOCRIT

:gulp:

[MUSICMANN]

Nice backpeddle, idiot.

in you're book?
proffessor?

Who is the idiot?

:lol:


You are of course and i never backpeddle. i never said Bush nor his policies were the best. I have maintained that i hold whomever holds that office with high regard, period.

You want to have a onesided conversation. You want everyone here, to trash anything and anyone that's not a far left whatever the fuck you are.

This is the reason i labeled you as an elitist hypocrite with an E for the english major that never misspells anything, perfect i assume.

You're an idiot. I don't have to ask that in a form of a question, it's fact.

[FORD]

That may be true, but Kennedy didn't listen to all the people saying that America would get stuck in Vietnam and kept pouring in money and troops. Kinda like how Bush didn't back down from his stance on Iraq.

As bad as this may sound, Kennedy got lucky. If he had not been assassinated, he would have been sharing the spot with bush as the worst president in history.


On the other hand, it's possible that Kennedy WAS trying to put a stop to Vietnam before it ever truly escalated, and this was one of the reasons the CIA needed him gone.

See, Poppy Bush and his CIA pals had a little drug smuggling setup known as "The Golden Triangle" in Southeast Asia, and the war provided them with a great cover for smuggling. And peddling drugs (mostly heroin, in this case) is how BCE/CIA have financed most of their "black ops" from Asia to the Middle East to South/Central America and right back to Dallas in 1963, and LA and Memphis in 1968. Losing the Golden Triangle would have left them without a major source of cash, and it's not like you can ask Congress to write the type of shit the CIA does into the official budget.

[kwame k]

I was hoping you'd bring that up FORD! I remember a conspiracy theory about killing Kennedy to escalate the war in Vietnam but I thought it was LBJ's good ol' boys and of course the war profiteers.

[LoungeMachine]

You are of course and i never backpeddle.






:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Okay, mensa.

[kwame k]

Again with the facts and the links.......

YOUR A BIG HYPOCRIT

:gulp:

I are going back to kollege in March.....so I am practizing up.....

[LoungeMachine]

.

You want to have a onesided conversation. You want everyone here, to trash anything and anyone that's not a far left whatever the fuck you are.

.


No, moron.

I want you to not be so intellectually LAZY.

If you want to spout rhetoric, be a man and own it.

If you want to debate FACTS, then know what the fuck you're talking about, and be prepared to back it up.


Yes, I find it sad and a little appalling that a man of your age is so ignorant. But it's not just that you're ignorant, it's that you don't CARE that you're ignorant.

If being an "elitist" means we in here can spell and speak at an adult level, then so be it.

But must you be so proud of the fact you sound like a high school dropout?


I really do wish you had more game than this, but oh well. Such is life on forums like these.

:gulp:

[MUSICMANN]

On the other hand, it's possible that Kennedy WAS trying to put a stop to Vietnam before it ever truly escalated, and this was one of the reasons the CIA needed him gone.

See, Poppy Bush and his CIA pals had a little drug smuggling setup known as "The Golden Triangle" in Southeast Asia, and the war provided them with a great cover for smuggling. And peddling drugs (mostly heroin, in this case) is how BCE/CIA have financed most of their "black ops" from Asia to the Middle East to South/Central America and right back to Dallas in 1963, and LA and Memphis in 1968. Losing the Golden Triangle would have left them without a major source of cash, and it's not like you can ask Congress to write the type of shit the CIA does into the official budget.


I can agree with this line of thought. So much covert shit happening back then, who knows.

[LoungeMachine]

I are going back to kollege in March.....so I am practizing up.....

ELITIST!!! :fufu:

[MUSICMANN]

No, moron.

I want you to not be so intellectually LAZY.

If you want to spout rhetoric, be a man and own it.

If you want to debate FACTS, then know what the fuck you're talking about, and be prepared to back it up.


Yes, I find it sad and a little appalling that a man of your age is so ignorant. But it's not just that you're ignorant, it's that you don't CARE that you're ignorant.

If being an "elitist" means we in here can spell and speak at an adult level, then so be it.

But must you be so proud of the fact you sound like a high school dropout?


I really do wish you had more game than this, but oh well. Such is life on forums like these.

:gulp:



See the problem i'm having is, i'm still waiting for you to speak on an adult level. I have not read one thing that you wrote that puts you in another catagory above me.

Let's see, words like idiot, and dumbass, fool, backwards redneck, imbred. Wow, you really know how to work the adult talk.

See if anything, i've had to drop my level to your standards. The biggest problem you have is that, if someone has a differance in opinion, you have to sink to name calling.

The funniest thing about you is that, the guy you hate the most, Bush, is the man you're the most alike. A guy who never admits he is or was wrong.

Hypocracy?

[LoungeMachine]

Hypocracy?

Hypocrisy

So close, too.

Nice try, idiot.

:lol:

[kwame k]

I used to date a Crisy but she wasn't a Hypo.....kinda skinny but cute.

[MUSICMANN]

Hypocrisy

So close, too.

Nice try, idiot.

:lol:


See i can sit here all day and misspell every other word, just to show everyone exactly what i've been saying you are.

You have nothing to bring to the table. All you do is bash people and if someone bests you, fall back to some misspelled words, to try and make yourself look superior.

You're like the guy that only knows one joke and gets the puchline wrong everytime. Hell, you are a joke.

[LoungeMachine]

:lol:

The old: I'm doing it on purpose defense now......

Haven't heard that one in sometime, not since JizzyStool.

God, this keeps getting more hilarious by the day.

:gulp:

[kwame k]

All right then.....fuck Lounge, he's an asshole, I get it! Give me 10 things Bush did right........

[LoungeMachine]

You have nothing to bring to the table. All you do is bash people and if someone bests you, fall back to some misspelled words, to try and make yourself look superior.
.

I bring facts, you bring opinions. You try to inject "facts", but then some elitist in here points out how wrong you are....everytime.

Let me know when you "best" me, will ya?

[LoungeMachine]

All right then.....fuck Lounge, he's an asshole, I get it! Give me 10 things Bush did right........

Agreed!

I'm an elitist, liberal asshole.....



Lower the bar.

Only make him give you 5 things Bush did right.

and spot him 3.


:gulp:

[kwame k]

:biggrin:hehe

[MUSICMANN]

:lol:

The old: I'm doing it on purpose defense now......

Haven't heard that one in sometime, not since JizzyStool.

God, this keeps getting more hilarious by the day.

:gulp:


Dude, i don't have to do anything on purpose. It's not hard to make you look like an ass. The problem with you is that you just never know who you're fucking with.

I've been reading your bullshit for yrs. now. I just never cared to get involved in any political discussions. Kinda funny i've only been posting in this forum for what, 2 days now and have shown you to be a clueless fuck.

[LoungeMachine]

2 days now and have shown you to be a clueless fuck.


Um, you're the clueless one. mensa.

Kwame, FORD, myself, even Sarge has handed you your lunch.

You've had to admit you were wrong, backpeddle, and even claim you were only stating an opinion, when others showed you you had your facts wrong.

:lol:

Forget the 6th grade spelling, and ignorance of US History for a moment...

Where exactly have you proven me wrong once?

:gulp:

And answer Kwame's question, if you have the balls.

[LoungeMachine]

Dude, i don't have to do anything on purpose. It's not hard to make you look like an ass. The problem with you is that you just never know who you're fucking with.

.

I'm fucking with you

It has been like shooting ignorant fish in a barrell, I grant you....

But at the very least I've taught you to spell a few words you never learned, so it hasn't been a total waste.

:gulp:

[ELVIS]

.
I honestly think he was the worst President in the history of the United States and what he did to this country will take years to recover, if we ever do.

No dude...I mean Sir...

George Bush was pretty okay during his first term, but he dropped the ball, or was forced to by whoever during his second term...

Obama will by far prove to be much more detrimental to the security of the United States, the US Military and every other entity involved in world peace or whatever you want to call it...

I I may say so, Sir...


:elvis:

[thome]

What needs to be understood is this thread was a set-up, not to list Bushes "Good Deeds" but a tool of the main posters in -The Front- to post negative american propoganda under another differently worded "sentenced thread headline".

It's all they have. Rewrite the same post apocoliptic leftist cry baby cokk sukker stuff they listen to on thier favorite propoganda web sites and TV shows and Newspapers.

It is the -Troll- manifestation of thier accusatory blame game, they play with each other in every thread "Where's Your Link" is thier learning curve, they don't even know they are -the trolls-.

If someone doesn't lead them into thier thoughts, they are lost.

Unique singular thought is not possible, only Lemming like posting of some other controllers mind set.


They then post with a false bravado , of intense egoistic fascism.

A Napoleonic Stature without a mirror of reality .

Good Times.

[kwame k]

Well, since no one else can or will.......

1. Declared the first federal ban on racial profiling.
During his first State of the Union address in early 2001, President Bush vowed to end racial profiling. In 2003, he acted on his promise by issuing an order to 70 federal law enforcement agencies calling for an end to most forms of racial and ethnic profiling. The ban was not airtight, but it was the first ban of its kind.

2. Accepted record numbers of refugees and asylum-seekers.
During the second term of the Clinton administration, the United States accepted an average of 60,000 refugees per year and 7,000 asylum-seekers per year. From 2001 to 2006, under the leadership of President Bush, the United States accepted more than four times as many asylum-seekers--some 32,000 per year--and an average of 87,000 refugees per year.

3. Used the bully pulpit to protect American Muslims.
In the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiment was on the rise. Almost every other president in the history of the United States who had faced terrorist attacks from abroad ultimately gave in to xenophobia--President Woodrow Wilson being the most egregious example. President Bush did not, infuriating elements of his base by meeting with pro-Arab and pro-Muslim civil rights groups and holding Muslim events at the White House. When Democrats relied on anti-Arab sentiment while criticizing the transfer of several U.S. ports from British to UAE ownership, it became clear just how far this xenophobia had spread--and just how important it might have been that the president had made an effort to reject it.

4. Integrated the executive branch.
The top four positions in the executive branch are those of the president, the vice-president, the secretary of state, and the attorney general. Until President Bush came to power, none of these four offices had ever been occupied by a person of color. President Bush has appointed the first non-white attorney general (Alberto Gonzales), as well as both the first (Colin Powell) and second (Condoleezza Rice) non-white secretaries of state. There have been non-white legislators and two non-white Supreme Court justices, but prior to the Bush administration, the upper echelon of the executive branch had always been all-white. President Bush changed that.

5. Extended federal pension benefits to include same-sex couples.
Although President Bush's rhetoric has often been troubling, he has yet to change a single federal policy in a way that detrimentally affects LGBT Americans. Couple this with a 2006 bill he signed that gave non-spousal couples the same federal pension standards as married couples, his decision to appoint an openly gay man as U.S. ambassador to Romania, his refusal to turn lesbian and gay families away from the White House Easter egg hunt, his decision not to overturn President Clinton's executive order banning federal employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and his warm words about the vice-president's daughter and her family, and you have an administration that is not as homophobic as many had feared it would be.

6. Signed an executive order banning federal eminent domain seizures.
The Supreme Court's ruling in Kelo v. New London (2005) gave the government power to seize private property for commercial use if the local government deemed the commercial use helpful to the community as a whole, giving the government more power to seize private property than it had ever had before. While executive orders hold no legislative power, and the federal government has not historically made eminent domain claims, President Bush's executive order banning same would force any future president wishing to claim eminent domain powers to make the visible and unpopular move of rescinding the executive order. If the federal leadership wishes to claim broad Kelo eminent domain powers in the future, it will not be able to do so quietly

Link
(http://civilliberty.about.com/od/profiles/tp/What-Bush-Has-Done-Right.htm)

While some of these have no real power or have changed the Majority of people's lives, it's thin, I agree but it was something.

[kwame k]

Fuck, I could only find six!

[chefcraig]

What needs to be understood is this thread was a set-up, not to list Bushes "Good Deeds" but a tool of the main posters in -The Front- to post negative american propoganda under another differently worded "sentenced thread headline".

No, it was an opportunity for all of the Obama bashing folks seated on the current right to offer up some testimony as to what good the last President accomplished in eight years. "negative american propaganda" indeed.


It's all they have. Rewrite the same post apocoliptic leftist cry baby cokk sukker stuff they listen to on thier favorite propoganda web sites and TV shows and Newspapers.

And this differs from parroting Hannity and Colmes dogma in what way?


It is the -Troll- manifestation of thier accusatory blame game, they play with each other in every thread "Where's Your Link" is thier learning curve, they don't even know they are -the trolls-.

It is also known as showing your work. You know, attempting to validate what you have presented, rather than simply pulling some nonsense out of your bunghole.


If someone doesn't lead them into thier thoughts, they are lost.

That simply isn't fair. For instance, no one has ever questioned the notion that your thoughts appear to begin and end with a bottle of Romilar cough suppressant.


Unique singular thought is not possible, only Lemming like posting of some other controllers mind set.

See above sentence.


They then post with a false bravado , of intense egoistic fascism.

A Napoleonic Stature without a mirror of reality .

Uh-huh. Did you find that quote on one of those "Expand Your Word Power" pages in Reader's Digest? Or do people in your orbit normally speak this way? Speaking of which, what color is the sky in your world?


Good Times.

For some more than others. Think I'll make a trip to Wallgreens myself this evening. :drugs:

[LoungeMachine]

:lol:

Must be dead over at RothChats again....

Anytime the active users count dips below 2, you'll find thome over here flailing his arms in the air wildly, hoping for a reaction....

:gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

2. Accepted record numbers of refugees and asylum-seekers.
During the second term of the Clinton administration, the United States accepted an average of 60,000 refugees per year and 7,000 asylum-seekers per year. From 2001 to 2006, under the leadership of President Bush, the United States accepted more than four times as many asylum-seekers--some 32,000 per year--and an average of 87,000 refugees per year.

Unless they were Iraqis trying to escape the death and mayhem of "reconstruction," then they could just get fucked according to Dubya...

[Nickdfresh]

Bush did increase aid to places like Africa and did increase spending on fighting AIDS. And SOME of his policies on fighting terror did have some success, until he fucked the pooch in Iraq!

[swage33]

Worse president ever?...could be Bill Clinton. Did he not turn a blind eye to the first WTC bombing? Did he not roll over and run when our special forces were dragged dead and naked through the streets of Mogadishu? Did he not declassify satellite technology as a payback for Chinese support in his campaign? Did he not pay off the North Koreans instead of dealing with them? Did he not kill David Koresh and the branch davidians? Did he not lie about a blow job? Did he not contribute to at least one government shutdown because he could not compromise in a bi-partisan effort with the opposition? Did this shutdown not contribute to the dismissal of several whitehouse staffers, in whose absence the president was able to get a blow job? Did he not lie about that blowjob?......I mean, I could go on and on. Was Bush bad?....probably, but who was good?

[Nickdfresh]

Worse president ever?...could be Bill Clinton. Did he not turn a blind eye to the first WTC bombing?

Um, nearly all of the plotters are rounded up and shit out of the bowls of a federal penitenary and no one gives a fuck about them. That's about the best way to deal with terror...

And why was a WTC bombing worse than a white, American anti-gov't Clinton hater asshole blowing up the Oklahoma bldg.? Was that somehow okay?


Did he not roll over and run when our special forces were dragged dead and naked through the streets of Mogadishu?

What would have rather done? He didn't send them there BTW...


Did he not declassify satellite technology as a payback for Chinese support in his campaign?

Oh fucking horseshit! Like the Chinese haven't benefited more the last eight years than they ever did in the 90s!


Did he not pay off the North Koreans instead of dealing with them?
You mean like we did with the Iraqi resistance?


Did he not kill David Koresh and the branch davidians?

The killed themselves actually. Do you support pedophile cult leaders?


Did he not lie about a blow job?

Oh, the fucking horror! But technically, no actually...


Did he not contribute to at least one government shutdown because he could not compromise in a bi-partisan effort with the opposition?

Bi-partisan? Really? LMFAO!! You mean the partisan asshole congress that were having affairs all the while they were on a blowjob witchhunt?


Did this shutdown not contribute to the dismissal of several whitehouse staffers, in whose absence the president was able to get a blow job?

What the fuck are you even talking about? Yeah, it's a blowjob cuntspiracy!


Did he not lie about that blowjob?.

You already asked this. Are you really, really obsessed with his blowjobs and cock or something?


.....I mean, I could go on and on. Was Bush bad?....probably, but who was good?


And repeat yourself...

But try to keep on topic, we're talking about the idiot you voted for here, not Clinton...

[swage33]

Nick, or Mr. dfresh, I was only trying to provide some perspective on the value of Presidents which has come up in this thread. I was not saying, "my guy is okay because he didn't fuck up as much as your guy". Most people feel that Clinton was a good Prez and that's fine. Just displaying how a different point of view can vilify the popular as well as the unpopular......its all in how you look at it. I do admit to mentioning blow jobs twice. Been a while and was probably a Freudian slip. My bad.

[Redballjets88]

He did a good job in the tsunami relief efforts, sent a huge check to the areas that were destroyed, and his dad and clinton were a good team to send in to help raise money.

[Redballjets88]

Neither Clinton nor Bush will go down as the worst President ever...In a hundred years or even fifty, the years following the Cold War won't be a greatly covered area in the history books. 9/11 will have its lessons and this economic time will have a paragraph or two, but overall when people are studying our generation(s) it will be all be like the time between Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt.

[hideyoursheep]

THE ONLY REASON Bill Clinton gets targeted by the right so often, even 8 years after leaving office, is because they believe if the scandal is pointed out often enough, Americans will believe his entire presidency was a monumental failure, which in fact, it was not.

The shiny object for the simple-minded to follow...

Hell, I voted for Perot!

But looking back, Billy did pretty good.


Can't say the same for "Temporary". It's not even close. So don't anyone try to lie, and give me that 'History will judge' bullshit!

It's too far fucking gone to wait for history.

[Nickdfresh]

I don't have to reread. The proof is that Kennedy sent troops to Vietnam....


Um, Kennedy didn't "send troops to Vietnam." Eisenhower did more than anyone else, but too a certain extent FDR did during WWII...