Greatest bands ever?

[Andy Taylor]

Now I think there's no proper answer to this question. It was easy to say the Beatles. I was a hardcore Beatle fan for close to a decade. Now what happens when all those melodies don't sound so amazing anymore? Now I think Duran Duran's songs hold up better than most Beatle ones and albums. Zeppelin are an almost outright cover band.

I read a Chic biography, Nile and Bernard are amazing. They share a record with the Beatles. Writing and recording 12 albums in 7 years. And while this might have been common in the 60s who did that in the late 70s/80s? And the anthems they wrote? Le Freak, Good Times, We are family, He's the greatest dancer, Upside Down, it goes on. There's every reason to say Chic are as good as or possibly better than the Beatles.

I'm not into most Iron Maiden anymore. Maybe it's just that I grew out of it. But some of those mid 80s albums had a quality (I think still think 7th son has this) that I would have said made Maiden the best band ever. Even today, Maiden is the band I have been a fan of longest and I got into them way before Beatles. There's a lot going on in Maiden, so you keep coming back to it.

Where do bands like King Crimson, Roxy, Bowie, Eno not to mention jazz and hip hop, rnb fit in? Is it fair to say that the hierarchy is totally accurate? Beatles/Zep/Stones/Floyd? I never understood the Stones fully, but as a former Beatles fan I can say that some of their stuff is overrated shit. Drive my car is a perfect example. So is a third of Sgt. Pepper. Good morning? Lovely Rita?? All that stuff is shit. Based on some of this I'd say the whole idea of any of these bands being at the top is wrong. I say Duran could quite easily be the best band ever as could Chic, Maiden or Van Halen or perhaps a 100 other bands we've never heard. There's too much of an association of blues based music with quality.

[LoungeMachine]

Okay, I'll be the one to post it.

CVH

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

Well it wasn't that kind of thread really although you could ofcourse go ahead and list yours. It was more about questioning the validity of the rock aristocracy.

[Panamark]

Can I be the first to say I think Duran Duran suck, and have a hard time
putting them in the same sentence as The Beatles and Led Zep ??:umm:
However, I would like to thank them for the unedited "Girls on Film" video
for when I was just starting to learn how to paddle the porpoise...

[sadaist]

I think a band is considered big not just due to popularity, but staying power and influence amongst others. The Rolling Stones & The Who come to mind right away for me. Hugely successful & widely copied. Same with Van Halen. Most of the 80's rock acts took something (if not everything) from VH. Duran Duran? I don't know. They were huge but lacked the staying power. Not sure how many other artists were actually influenced by them, or if DD was more a product of just fitting into the genre. They're more like the Motley Crue of their style of music. Very popular with good songs, but didn't really create any new sounds or styles that others copied.

[sadaist]

Can I be the first to say I think Duran Duran suck

You're 25 years late on that one.....

[Panamark]

You're 25 years late on that one.....

Hey I was the first back then too !

To answer the first post, everyone to their own, but this place seems
to be mostly Hard Rock / Rock / Metal Influenced.

In terms of these genres and who was responsible..

The Beatles
Black Sabbath
Led Zeppelin

To this day the above 3 still hold the greatest influence
over any credible Rock/Metal band... You could go back further,
or come forward further and more bands would be included.
But to me, those are the big 3.

[hideyoursheep]

Hey I was the first back then too !

Maybe second, ;) definitely first today!

:baaa:

[FORD]

Greatest band ever? That's easy....

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[Panamark]

Stones are up there, but evolved from the Beatles
in my humble opinion... I know the Beatles recorded
first, and the Stones physchodelic stuff seemed
to "follow" the Beatles... The stones stuff was
great, but like the Beach Boys, they were
followers of the beatles.

The Beatles released great material to the end too...

[cadaverdog]

Now I think there's no proper answer to this question. It was easy to say the Beatles. I was a hardcore Beatle fan for close to a decade. Now what happens when all those melodies don't sound so amazing anymore? Now I think Duran Duran's songs hold up better than most Beatle ones and albums. Zeppelin are an almost outright cover band.

I read a Chic biography, Nile and Bernard are amazing. They share a record with the Beatles. Writing and recording 12 albums in 7 years. And while this might have been common in the 60s who did that in the late 70s/80s? And the anthems they wrote? Le Freak, Good Times, We are family, He's the greatest dancer, Upside Down, it goes on. There's every reason to say Chic are as good as or possibly better than the Beatles.

I'm not into most Iron Maiden anymore. Maybe it's just that I grew out of it. But some of those mid 80s albums had a quality (I think still think 7th son has this) that I would have said made Maiden the best band ever. Even today, Maiden is the band I have been a fan of longest and I got into them way before Beatles. There's a lot going on in Maiden, so you keep coming back to it.

Where do bands like King Crimson, Roxy, Bowie, Eno not to mention jazz and hip hop, rnb fit in? Is it fair to say that the hierarchy is totally accurate? Beatles/Zep/Stones/Floyd? I never understood the Stones fully, but as a former Beatles fan I can say that some of their stuff is overrated shit. Drive my car is a perfect example. So is a third of Sgt. Pepper. Good morning? Lovely Rita?? All that stuff is shit. Based on some of this I'd say the whole idea of any of these bands being at the top is wrong. I say Duran could quite easily be the best band ever as could Chic, Maiden or Van Halen or perhaps a 100 other bands we've never heard. There's too much of an association of blues based music with quality.
I'm not a big Beatles fan but I could see why some would say they were the best .
Zep a cover band?
They did borrow (or steal) a lot of material from the old bluesmen.
But they had a lot of great orginal stuff too.
Duran Duran?
Are you high or brain damaged?
The Stones , The Who , Foyd , Sabbath
and many more could be considered.

But there is no way to really choose the best.
Best in an individuals opinion .
But opinions vary.
In someones opinion Flock of Seagulls or Bananarama might
be the best.

[ELVIS]

but as a former Beatles fan I can say that some of their stuff is overrated shit. Drive my car is a perfect example. So is a third of Sgt. Pepper. Good morning? Lovely Rita?? All that stuff is shit.


So, I suppose the generations and millions of fans are wrong...

BTW, this is quite a broad topic...




:mad0233::elvis:

[Mr Badguy]

If I had to pick one band with amazing chemistry:

Deep Purple (circa 1972)

The playing on "Made in Japan" is amazing.

However, I never thought they wrote enough strong songs to match their virtuosity.

The same line up in 1984 was no where near as good.

[twonabomber]

without MTV, Duran Duran would have been nothing.

Nile Rodgers...great producer.

[Andy Taylor]

So, I suppose the generations and millions of fans are wrong...

BTW, this is quite a broad topic...




:mad0233::elvis:

Dude, you don't know me. I was a Beatles obsessive for close to a decade. And I'm here to tell you that entire generations and millions of Beatle fans CAN be wrong.

The question of not only Duran but many other bands, Maiden or Chic for example is tied in with this. People have this built in criteria that comes from decades of conditioning that says certain types of music are more legitimate. It is not based on any real musical judgement it simply exists. According to this music has to be blues based or black in origin. That's why you see all the obscure rn'b acts from the 30s and even 70s getting in ahead of Kiss, Sabbath and the Moody Blues to name a few. The Stones... why does music have be dirty, gritty and suitable for accompaniement with a bottle of bourbon?

We're talking about influence right? Chic (I believe Dave loves them too) are THE most sampled group in history, most of all by hip hop artists and also by rock artists. People like Queen stole their bass line for Good Times. The guitar riff in Good Times has been modified (stolen) and used by The Clash and many others. Maybe if Chic were officially RNB they would be in the rock hall. But no, they were officially branded disco, even though they had numerous influences... and the guys in the band are virtuosos, Tony Thompson, Nile, Bernard... hardly disco sucks material. Their influence is probably as great as the Beatles except their audience wouldn't have grown up to be self-important rock journo geeks.

Duran's impact? A good portion of the big bands of this decade and the last name Duran as one of their major influences. Most of these bands are crap imo, but the Black Crowes are hardly in Zeppelin's league either. Duran influenced Beck, Smashing Pumpkins, The Killers, Korn, Deftones, Mark Ronson, Moby, Dandy Warhols, Wyclef Jean's a big fan, EVH said Andy T was a fave of his at one point and Steve Vai called up Warren Cuccurullo to say how much he liked his playing on a Duran album. Duran is in one way comparable to the Beatles. All their popular songs are of the same kind as the Beatles early stuff, meaning it was fluff like I want to hold your hand. I never cared for that stuff from the Beatles, I liked Revolver. It's the same with Duran, their album songs are way better than what they're known for. But even songs like Girls on film are great songs and very influential. The problem is most people are stuck in a classic rock rut. Duran sort of mixed rock and dance in a way no one had done before.

I'm not in awe of the Beatles anymore, half the stuff on Pepper was crap and is clearly the effect of endless hype. The critics have been behind certain groups for ever and they have trashed others for as long. I've been reading one article for example and it's more proof that these people hardly even listen to what they're reviewing; they're busy breaking everything down to carefully analyse it. That's the problem. I did that sometimes too and later I found that Sgt. Pepper isn't great to listen to.

[Andy Taylor]

without MTV, Duran Duran would have been nothing.

Nile Rodgers...great producer.


And without Dave's showmanship VH would have been nothing.

If the Beatles weren't cute their success would be half of what it was. Ever notice how much of their concert audience were girls?

None of that has any bearing on the music.

[Andy Taylor]

Nile Rodgers...great producer.

And by the way, Nile said Duran Duran were the greatest live band he ever saw.

He also said that now he had produced the reunited Duran, his next ambition was to produce the reunited Van Halen. This is a man who gets it.

[Andy Taylor]

the unedited "Girls on Film" video

I could explain a little about Girls on film, the song.

If you've ever appreciated Sabbath and War Pigs in particular, you should be able to appreciate what went into this song. It's understood that Iommi/Butler/Ward are one of the tightest rhythm sections in rock. The Taylors are probably better or atleast evenly matched. GOF has one of the best grooves in rock or dance ... ever. And like War Pigs it's in the drums, bass and guitar, all great groove oriented playing.

JT's come up with more great bass lines than most people out there. If you've never paid attention to them, this guy does a great demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VWPz0ZRmAc

[twonabomber]

haven't spun JT's Feelings Are Good disc lately...but Neurotic Outsiders gets regular play here.

[Terry]

Van Halen
Sex Pistols
Rolling Stones
Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden
Led Zeppelin
X
Queen
Kiss
Blondie
Deep Purple
Jimi Hendrix
...and can't forget The Who

The Beatles I just don't have a tremendous amount of use for, which isn't to negate what they did or fail to realize their impact...stopped listening to them with any sort of regularity years ago. Just have no desire to even hear them.

Duran Duran wouldn't have been shite without MTV, agreed. Now, there are some good songs to be found there, but they're kinda right in the same boat as Madonna for me in that without the visual component they're just not that interesting...perhaps slightly more interesting than Madonna in terms of strictly listening to them.

[Andy Taylor]

Fuck Madonna. And the rest is crap. Absolutely no one wrote songs like these in the 80s or after. Even CVH doesn't hold a candle. Take a little time and listen to all of these.



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[Von Halen]

Fuck Madonna. And the rest is crap. Absolutely no one wrote songs like these in the 80s or after. Even CVH doesn't hold a candle. Take a little time and listen to all of these.





What a fag!

[WARF]

Absolutely no one wrote songs like these in the 80s or after. Even CVH doesn't hold a candle.

Even the power station doesn't hold a candle to Van Hagar!

[Andy Taylor]

What a fag!

Says the guy with an avatar of Dave in tight spandex.

[Andy Taylor]

haven't spun JT's Feelings Are Good disc lately...but Neurotic Outsiders gets regular play here.

I played Feelings recently after a very long time.

[LoungeMachine]

BTW, this is quite a broad topic...




:mad0233::elvis:

Hey, let's talk about broads then. :D

[Coyote]

Hey, let's talk about broads then. :D

Why should we? They never talk about us... http://forums.azbilliards.com/images/newsmilies/groucho.gif

[FORD]

Why am I not surprised that a guy calling himself "Andy Taylor" is a huge Duran Duran fan?

Of course the Taylor "brothers" were the real talent in that band, and it's a shame they got buried under all the LeBon/Rhodes crap. Power Station, Neurotic Outsiders, or Andy's work with Steve Jones or Rod Stewart all made better uses of their talent than DD did.

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[Andy Taylor]

Well Duran maybe the enemy of hard rock but that doesn't say much. It goes to show that people are more into styles than hearing music for it's own sake. Kinda ironic, since it's Duran that are supposedly the non-musical guys.

Actually they made a great contribution to the first two albums. John ofcourse stuck around till the 90s. I like Andy's solo stuff but he went in a generic hard rock direction when he could have done so much more. His playing in Duran was far more rhythmic, he sort of copied Nile and Phil Manzanera's style to fit Duran. He named The Reflex as the best thing he was a part of. He said that when Eddie came out everyone went crazy with the guitar solos while neglecting the rhythm and he named Keith Richards as an example of a great rhythm player.

[Panamark]

Why not rename this thread "My Favorite Duran Duran moments" (do you
want me too ?)

FORD is bang on as always. The only decent stuff coming from the DD camp
were the side projects.

And forgive me if Im wrong (as you can tell Im totally underwhelmed by
DD) but dont we have AUSTRALIAN director Russell Malcahy (Same dude
who made the "Highlander" movie) to "thank" for the Duran Duran MTV videos.....

[LoungeMachine]

Duran Duran were a haircut in search of a band.

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

I didn't say anything about the merits of the videos.

And with all due respect yeah I'm sure Ford knows better than people like Nile Rodgers and others.

And for all this talk of Duran being shallow, the guys in VH were not composers themselves. Nor did they even write many 'proper' songs, it was more like little bar room blues ditties.

[LoungeMachine]

I always confused DD with Wham.

Which one sang Relax? :D

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

I always confused Van Halen with Van Hagar.

Who sang Jump?

[Panamark]

I couldnt give a flying fuck about Nile Rogers.
Just saying that I agree that the side projects
that your beloved Taylor was involved in were
more interesting than Duran Duran itself.
I agree with what FORD is saying.

Are you into Spandeau Ballet too ??
They came out around the same time, same genre,
same faggy look as Duran Duran..
Wasnt it referred to as the "nu romantic" movement
or some shit. I was listening to guitar bands
that Rocked. Not these faggy makeup poncy
poppy romantic crap shit...

[LoungeMachine]

I always confused Van Halen with Van Hagar.

Who sang Jump?

Now see, that's why you should leave comedy to the professionals. :D


Be prepared, you're about to get a shitstorm of crap over this post.

:gulp:

[Panamark]

I always confused Van Halen with Van Hagar.

Who sang Jump?

Your credibility just went

that way
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[LoungeMachine]

down under?

;)

[Panamark]

down under?

;)

Yeah like Antartica

[Andy Taylor]

I couldnt give a flying fuck about Nile Rogers.
Just saying that I agree that the side projects
that your beloved Taylor was involved in were
more interesting than Duran Duran itself.
I agree with what FORD is saying.

Are you into Spandeau Ballet too ??
They came out around the same time, same genre,
same faggy look as Duran Duran..
Wasnt it referred to as the "nu romantic" movement
or some shit. I was listening to guitar bands
that Rocked. Not these faggy makeup poncy
poppy romantic crap shit...


Ofcourse you wouldn't care about what Nile Rodgers thinks. And your attitude can hardly be called unpredictable. That's the standard rock fan line.

Btw, Dave's whole image can hardly be called heterosexual. Just saying... And while Van Halen rocked, there are many bands that were heavier and whose fanbase mocks Halen. Once again, just sayin...

[Andy Taylor]

Now see, that's why you should leave comedy to the professionals. :D


Be prepared, you're about to get a shitstorm of crap over this post.

:gulp:

Here's a clue: your 'comedy' is far from 'professional'.

I've seen shitstorms come and go. And I never get covered in brown.

[Panamark]

Ofcourse you wouldn't care about what Nile Rodgers thinks. And your attitude can hardly be called unpredictable. That's the standard rock fan line.

Btw, Dave's whole image can hardly be called heterosexual. Just saying... And while Van Halen rocked, there are many bands that were heavier and whose fanbase mocks Halen. Once again, just sayin...

Dude, seriously, this thread is not about the greatest band ever.
I can change the title to "Andy Taylors Favorite Duran Duran Moments"
or whatever you want. No Malice..
Its just the title of the thread and what you are preaching within
do not match up at all....

[Andy Taylor]

I wasn't out to preach about a band. I wanted to get a discussion going about the classic rock hierarchy. There are many underrated bands to be mentioned. I just thought maybe people would bring up lists completely devoid of Beatles/Stones with their justifications for it. My own contributions are the bands I mentioned in the first post.

[Panamark]

Be that as it may, it has turned into the "Duran Duran" carnival..

[Andy Taylor]

It started with the two or three Duran sucks posts, then I came in... I wasn't the one to derail it.

[Panamark]

So when were you most attracted to the Band ?
When they had Flock of Seagulls hair and makeup,
or when Simon Le Bon would dance like a chick ???

[LoungeMachine]

Here's a clue: your 'comedy' is far from 'professional'.

I've seen shitstorms come and go. And I never get covered in brown.

:rolleyes:

:hee:

[Andy Taylor]

Oh stop it... my sides.

[LoungeMachine]

Hey, it's your thread, mensa.

:gulp:

You go, girl.

[Von Halen]

Says the guy with an avatar of Dave in tight spandex.

I took that picture in Salina, KS, at the '80 Invasion Tour. It's a good shot.

Besides, how many pictures of Dave from that era, exist where he isn't wearing tight spandex?

Bottomline, Dave is cool and Duran Duran suck. Duran Duran were cheesy pop music from day 1.

[Andy Taylor]

That's just the opinion of a hairspray loving spandex fan. Why on earth should you be taken seriously?

[Von Halen]

Why on earth should you be taken seriously?

I shouldn't be taken seriously.

You are the only guy I have ever heard of that likes Duran Duran. Even back when Duran Duran first came out, I never knew any males that liked them.

I gotta believe, the only guys that ever went to a Duran Duran concert, were taking a broad they were hoping to bang. There could be no other reason to go.

I once took a gal to a Phil Collins concert, just because I wanted to fuck her. I should have stayed home and masturbated. No piece of ass in the world is worth having to sit through a torturous concert like Phil Collins, or Duran Duran.

[cadaverdog]

And without Dave's showmanship VH would have been nothing.

That's totally bullshit.
In the early days it was all about the music with VH.
You wouldn't even know what kind of front man Dave
was except word of mouth.
People saw them in the early days because of thier
music that played on the radio or they heard from friends who already bought the first album.
There was no Mtv back then.
Some bands did make videos that would play on shows like Don Kirshner
Rock Concert and The Midnight Special , but VH wasn't doing that.
I can only remember one video that seemed to show some live footage
with the studio ( not live) music in the background.

Duran Duran were just mediocre musicians that were pleasing to the
eye to the ladies ( and fellas that swing that way).

[cadaverdog]

I always confused Van Halen with Van Hagar.

Who sang Jump?

Although I wish it was Van Hagar that sang Jump instead of Dave you
are an obvoius shit disturber.
Jump was definaly not one of my fave CVH tunes .
But I would rather hear that than any of that bisexual Duran Duran
bullshit.

[cadaverdog]

I shouldn't be taken seriously.

You are the only guy I have ever heard of that likes Duran Duran. Even back when Duran Duran first came out, I never knew any males that liked them.

I gotta believe, the only guys that ever went to a Duran Duran concert, were taking a broad they were hoping to bang. There could be no other reason to go.

I once took a gal to a Phil Collins concert, just because I wanted to fuck her. I should have stayed home and masturbated. No piece of ass in the world is worth having to sit through a torturous concert like Phil Collins, or Duran Duran.

When I was in the Navy in San Diego some of my squid buddies and I
went to see Rick Springfield only because the only other peeps in
line were female.
A lot of young girls and what they now call cougars that were soap
opera fans.
I was actually pleased with his music.
He wanted to rock out but he was being merchandised as pop.
Probably because they figured his soap opera fans would be turned
off by harder music.

[cadaverdog]

Here's a clue: your 'comedy' is far from 'professional'.

I've seen shitstorms come and go. And I never get covered in brown.

Well you seem to be inviting a solid fecal coating with your remarks.
Maybe metrosexuals are into that.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Holy shit... Wrong thread... Would you mind deleting these posts of mine, PHOENIX? :umm:

:D

[Panamark]

Holy shit... Wrong thread... Would you mind deleting these posts of mine, PHOENIX? :umm:

:D

Salut Jerome !

Penix is not at his desk at the moment, deleted as requested...

[Andy Taylor]

Well you seem to be inviting a solid fecal coating with your remarks.
Maybe metrosexuals are into that.

Whatever, grandad. You and the other fuddy duddy hard rock is king crowd. Fact is guys do listen to the band and when I saw them in Greece (ooh traditionally homosexual) I saw long haired guys all over the place and not just with their girl friends. It was an equally mixed crowd. I saw a beer bellied slob with a Duran shirt. So it's mainly a cultural thing where guys don't listen to Duran as much. Even in the UK they get as many guys as girls today. Things have changed since 1984. the favourite reference point for every nostalgic VH fan. And while I can appreciate that a good section of the VH fan base are of the slack jawed red neck variety (like the average rock and metal fan) that says nothing about the quality of their chosen bands music and the bands they don't like.

[Terry]

Whatever, grandad. You and the other fuddy duddy hard rock is king crowd. Fact is guys do listen to the band and when I saw them in Greece (ooh traditionally homosexual) I saw long haired guys all over the place and not just with their girl friends. It was an equally mixed crowd. I saw a beer bellied slob with a Duran shirt. So it's mainly a cultural thing where guys don't listen to Duran as much. Even in the UK they get as many guys as girls today. Things have changed since 1984. the favourite reference point for every nostalgic VH fan. And while I can appreciate that a good section of the VH fan base are of the slack jawed red neck variety (like the average rock and metal fan) that says nothing about the quality of their chosen bands music and the bands they don't like.


So, basically older hard rock fans who don't rank Duran Duran as high as you do among the "greatest bands ever" are probably a bunch of inbred, white-trash homophobes whose opinions regarding the music they themselves prefer listening to are worthless to you...

...is that the essence of what you're getting at?

[Andy Taylor]

I'm just saying calling something 'gay' is not a proper argument. It shows that they have sadly yet to grow up. And yes, hard rock fans are a hopelessly hidebound bunch. Do you deny that? Do you also deny that they are homophobic?

[Von Halen]

Do you deny that? Do you also deny that they are homophobic?


We're not homophobic. We just hate faggy bands like Duran Duran.

[twonabomber]

the RAAAAAARRRRR that harmless pop music brings is always amusing. :D

[Andy Taylor]

We're not homophobic. We just hate faggy bands like Duran Duran.


The fun part is this. You and others seem to be in denial about the many faggy aspects of Dave Roth. Fans of Judas Priest, Kiss and Van Halen to name a few shouldn't be talking about other 'faggy' bands.

[Andy Taylor]

the RAAAAAARRRRR that harmless pop music brings is always amusing. :D

Van Halen is hardly Pantera. How many 'heavy' tunes do CVH have? On Fire, Atomic Punk and Romeo Delight. And even those are hardly heavy metal. There are Duran tunes as 'heavy' as those if not more. VH are not threatening, not then not now. There's always been harder, heavier stuff.

[Redballjets88]

don't understand the duran duran talk at all, if you want to go down that road to find a greatest of all time you need hall and oates and/or Prince.

[Andy Taylor]

I never got his music much, but Prince is undeniably a genius, as I see it atleast for his work ethic and multi-instrument talent.

[Von Halen]

The fun part is this. You and others seem to be in denial about the many faggy aspects of Dave Roth.

Who ever said we were in denial about "the many faggy aspects of Dave Roth"?

Dave may indeed be a queer, but he never made faggy music with Van Halen.

The Duran Duran members may very well be heterosexual. However, they made nothing but faggy music.

What's your point?

[Andy Taylor]

Who ever said we were in denial about "the many faggy aspects of Dave Roth"?

Dave may indeed be a queer, but he never made faggy music with Van Halen.

The Duran Duran members may very well be heterosexual. However, they made nothing but faggy music.

What's your point?


:biggrin: Nice evasive tactic. You know you were talking not just about music but the image. No matter what you say, Duran made great music and they also rocked out hard. You want to believe that they were all about The Reflex and that's why I put up those videos. Here's another. If you can't appreciate this then your focus is on style and genres rather than quality.

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[Nickdfresh]

I'm just saying calling something 'gay' is not a proper argument. It shows that they have sadly yet to grow up. And yes, hard rock fans are a hopelessly hidebound bunch. Do you deny that? Do you also deny that they are homophobic?

Ok. How about Duran Duran was a boring suck-fest, their songs lacked energy and any real intensity, and they were trend-following wankers that often sucked live...

BTW, I'll even go on record and say I don't mind some Duran Duran out of nostalgia's sake, although I hated their image back then. But anyone implying they're one of the greatest ever is a delusional fanboi completely alone on an island. And there is plenty of critical press to back me up, that they often misfired and flubbed out live. Today, I've seen it posted that they're about 90&#37; backing tracks on stage. and then, isn't there that tape of Lebon sounding like dying duck singing live?

[Andy Taylor]

yada yada yada... and did you check out any of the vids I posted?

Critics? That's what matters? Well real musicians will tell you that they were great live and so were their songs. That flubb you mention was the result of not rehearsing for months or before that show. He has managed to hit that note for 20 years since.

Saturday, August 14, 1993
By Dean Rhodes, THE PHOENIX GAZETTE
Few bands in my tenure have been able to keep an audience standing through its entire set. Along with Van Halen, Duran Duran joins that elite group.

--
Also, Nile Rodgers (again) who Dave respects and is a huge fan of thinks Duran were the best live band he saw. Critics? Then by all means go ahead with reading RS, NME and Q for their all important opinions.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Salut Jerome !

Penix is not at his desk at the moment, deleted as requested...

Salut Panamark! Cheers! "ça roule" - and you rule!:D

BTW, this time I think I'm answering in the right thread:

IMO, the best bands in the world were, chronologically and sometimes alternately:

The Beach Boys
The Beatles
The Stones
The Who
Cream
Jimi Hendrix (Experience)
Led Zeppelin
J. Geils Band
Aerosmith
CVH
(...)

[cadaverdog]

Whatever, grandad. You and the other fuddy duddy hard rock is king crowd. Fact is guys do listen to the band and when I saw them in Greece (ooh traditionally homosexual) I saw long haired guys all over the place and not just with their girl friends. It was an equally mixed crowd. I saw a beer bellied slob with a Duran shirt. So it's mainly a cultural thing where guys don't listen to Duran as much. Even in the UK they get as many guys as girls today. Things have changed since 1984. the favourite reference point for every nostalgic VH fan. And while I can appreciate that a good section of the VH fan base are of the slack jawed red neck variety (like the average rock and metal fan) that says nothing about the quality of their chosen bands music and the bands they don't like.
Granddad or grampa is a term I wear proudly.
My granddaughter was here last night for a visit.
I think she prefers Cheap Trick .
Everytime That 70's Show comes on she starts dancing.
As far as 1984 being a reference point , it is .
It is the year that VH went Mtv.
The year they sold out.(in my opinion).
For your information rednecks prefer country or southern rock.
I don't see many cowboy hats at VH concerts.

[cadaverdog]

yada yada yada... and did you check out any of the vids I posted?

Critics? That's what matters? Well real musicians will tell you that they were great live and so were their songs. That flubb you mention was the result of not rehearsing for months or before that show. He has managed to hit that note for 20 years since.

Saturday, August 14, 1993
By Dean Rhodes, THE PHOENIX GAZETTE
Few bands in my tenure have been able to keep an audience standing through its entire set. Along with Van Halen, Duran Duran joins that elite group.

--
Also, Nile Rodgers (again) who Dave respects and is a huge fan of thinks Duran were the best live band he saw. Critics? Then by all means go ahead with reading RS, NME and Q for their all important opinions.
If the question was what bands are most suited for video Duran Duran
Would have been a decent choice.
But their music alone probably wouldn't have brought them to the big time.
Their pretty boy looks made them popular with ladies (and homos).
Which one are you?

[Andy Taylor]

*lower lip trembles*

Your logic has me completely devastated.

[cadaverdog]

I'm just saying calling something 'gay' is not a proper argument. It shows that they have sadly yet to grow up. And yes, hard rock fans are a hopelessly hidebound bunch. Do you deny that? Do you also deny that they are homophobic?
Whether or not a musician is gay or not means nothing to me.
Elton's a flamer but I dig his tunes.
Rob Halford dines on dick but Judas Priest still kicks ass.
Duran Duran would still suck even if they were the manliest men
around because their music sucks.

[cadaverdog]

don't understand the duran duran talk at all, if you want to go down that road to find a greatest of all time you need hall and oates and/or Prince.

Oates had all the talent but Hall was prettier.
The first time I saw Prince on tv on Don Kirshners Rock Concert
they show his picture first and I thought he was going to be a
Jimi Hendrix impersonator.
I've never seen him live (and don't care for his music)but I
wonder if he could (or does ) ever do any Hendrix covers.
He must have been a Hendrix fan at one time.
Maybe he'll play Jimi in a movie someday.

[Redballjets88]

Oates had all the talent but Hall was prettier.
The first time I saw Prince on tv on Don Kirshners Rock Concert
they show his picture first and I thought he was going to be a
Jimi Hendrix impersonator.
I've never seen him live (and don't care for his music)but I
wonder if he could (or does ) ever do any Hendrix covers.
He must have been a Hendrix fan at one time.
Maybe he'll play Jimi in a movie someday.

I don't agree with that hall & oates statement. Daryl Hall's voice is better than Oates, they compliment eachother greatly. I would say they are equals

[cadaverdog]

I don't agree with that hall & oates statement. Daryl Hall's voice is better than Oates, they compliment eachother greatly. I would say they are equals
Actually that was a joke.
But the Hall solo stuff proves he didn't need Oates.
It sounded the same without Oates.
No more than Simon needed Garfunkel.
But Oates and Garfunkel needed them.

[kwame k]

Nuff Said!

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[kwame k]

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[FORD]

And just in case your palates haven't been cleansed of Duran Duran shit yet......

Here's proof that John Taylor can rock when he wants to.

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[FORD]

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[chefcraig]

Greatest bands ever? The Replacements belong in there someplace. And if you disagree, you are simply wrong. And yes, this is a crummy recording. Those that love the band are glad that any exist, to begin with.

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[FORD]

Gotta love the 'Mats!

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[chefcraig]

Yeah, and the snob in me needs to include the Dregs. Crap, I used to see these guys for 3 bucks!

Dixie Dregs live at the Montreux Jazz Festival, Jul 1978.

Steve Morse: guitar
Andy West: Bass
Rod Morgenstein: drums
Mark Parrish: keyboards
Allen Sloan: violin

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[Andy Taylor]

And just in case your palates haven't been cleansed of Duran Duran shit yet......

Here's proof that John Taylor can rock when he wants to.

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The first is just so-so garage rock.

[twonabomber]

that's also one of the tracks JT wrote...

[Matt White]

Duran Duran?

Good hair cuts...good marketing...

their songs "stand the test of time"? Which ones? "The Reflex"?!?

uhhhhhhh...not so much...

"The Union of the Snake"?!?

Uhhhhhhh...nope

Seriously....ZEPPELIN, VAN HALEN, ALICE IN CHAINS, NIRVANA, U2, REM, PANTERA.......

These bands changed popular music....and STILL have an impact....

Duran Duran had an impact....although a short lived one...on "fashion"
These day

[Andy Taylor]

I know what the popular opinion on Duran Duran is. It's what most people will say. That's why I put up those videos but they just get glossed over because people want to carry on in their belief that they're talentless, new romantics, etc... no matter the reality. VH fans can put up any number of arguments for why VH are a great band or even one of the best ever, but what do people in general think of them? Their sales outside the US are negligible; most metal fans from outside the US think they were mildly talented and would laugh at any comparison to Maiden. And if they were ever relevant outside the US, they certainly are not now. But that's how people's mind works, they can't get over the stereotypes. If they had to question their assumptions on a daily basis, their whole world would come crashing down.

[Andy Taylor]

that's also one of the tracks JT wrote...

I am aware.

[binnie]

Personally, I think that Spandau Ballet are the greatest band of all time.

Milli Vanilli is a close second, however.

[binnie]

Duran Duran?


Seriously....ZEPPELIN, VAN HALEN, ALICE IN CHAINS, NIRVANA, U2, REM, PANTERA.......

These bands changed popular music....and STILL have an impact....


Bingo.

You are the Beach Boys, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Kinks and Aerosmith to that list and we've got one hell of a party.

[Andy Taylor]

I prostrate myself before the king of hilarity himself. ^

[Seshmeister]

I know what the popular opinion on Duran Duran is. It's what most people will say. That's why I put up those videos but they just get glossed over because people want to carry on in their belief that they're talentless, new romantics, etc... no matter the reality.

If they are so good why do they mime instead of playing live?

They obviously don't think they are very good so why should we?

[Andy Taylor]

That's not true. The bass and keyboard parts for many shows recently have been pre-recorded. This also happened at one time in the 90s when John was on drugs and was about to leave. That doesn't mean they generally 'mime.' Their recent album bombed, that's why their heart isn't in it lately. And despite that, they choose to go on and do an album each time they have low sales instead of curling up in the foetus position ala Eddie or doing the nostalgia circuit ala Dave prior to the reunion. Give them some credit; call them 80s or whatever but they've been around since 1978 and they've put out three albums this decade, a fourth was shelved and they're writing their fifth. Chart success or no, they are all about making music and trying out something new most of the time (that's if you actually try listening to the music and not reading some stupid review).

[LoungeMachine]

Give them some credit;




Um, no.

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

Despite the mod status, you're really just a spam artist at heart aren't you?

[LoungeMachine]

Said the guy with Duran Duran reach around Thread?

:lol:

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

Not exactly a logical argument but don't let that stop you.

:gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

Not exactly a logical argument but don't let that stop you.

:gulp:

Okay, I won't.

But thanks for the great thread !

:gulp:

[Seshmeister]

That's not true. The bass and keyboard parts for many shows recently have been pre-recorded.

Actually I don't mind some Duran Duran in small doses but you are mistaken.

I have a personal friend who has worked on their shows in a senior position and everything is mimed apart from John Taylor who insists on playing bass live.

[LoungeMachine]

I have a personal friend who has worked on their shows in a senior position and everything is mimed apart from John Taylor who insists on playing bass live.



How Un-Van Halen ca. 2008 can you get?

:gulp:

[Seshmeister]

Piping in some backing vocals is bad enough but the Durans only have bass and a little bit of vocals that is not piped in.

Plus a lot of this music isn't exactly the most challenging to play.

[Andy Taylor]

Actually I don't mind some Duran Duran in small doses but you are mistaken.

I have a personal friend who has worked on their shows in a senior position and everything is mimed apart from John Taylor who insists on playing bass live.

I have heard from other people in the business who have said it's the keys/bass. The guitars aren't and neither is the vocals. Roger Taylor looks like he's hitting everything in the right parts so that looks live too. Quite a few musicians have remarked on how John's playing didn't match up at all in some shows. And anyway this isn't standard for them. If VH had many keyboard parts I wouldn't be surprised if they just had playback when live, considering what that band is like.

And wrong on the second bit. John's lines are challenging to play and especially to play a whole bunch of those early songs back to back. You've shown there that you're just spouting off. Andy's playing was nothing out of the ordinary, but Warren would do some amazing stuff on stage.

[LoungeMachine]

You've shown there that you're just spouting off.




On a DLR Message Board?

:yikes:

The Horror!!!

Thank God you're here to set the DD record straight!!!!

[so to speak]

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

Oh, a politics forum on a DLR board!!

What's next, a philosophy section on a Bret Michels forum?!

[LoungeMachine]

Oh, a politics forum on a DLR board!!

What's next, a philosophy section on a Bret Michels forum?!

Dunno.

Why don't you do some research and get back to us.....

:gulp:

[Seshmeister]

Quite a few musicians have remarked on how John's playing didn't match up at all in some shows.

The reason it didn't match up is he is playing live and the rest of them aren't.

There was even a video on YouTube or similar recently showing their tape breaking down.

[Seshmeister]

Oh, a politics forum on a DLR board!!

What's next, a philosophy section on a Bret Michels forum?!

A music section on a Duran Duran forum... :)

[LoungeMachine]

A music section on a Duran Duran forum... :)

:lol:

Leave it to Sesh......

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

The reason it didn't match up is he is playing live and the rest of them aren't.

There was even a video on YouTube or similar recently showing their tape breaking down.

erm... his finger movements didn't match up to what he was playing. Look it's generally known that John has at different points played without plugging in his bass. I'm the Duran fan here, not you.

Yeah that was Simon mainly. But he generally sings over that too, it's not a total mime. I don't know what the idea is...

[Andy Taylor]

A music section on a Duran Duran forum... :)

How about some music from Halen, the band? ;)

[LoungeMachine]

I'm the Duran fan here, not you.



Hello, siggy. :D

:gulp:

[FORD]

How about some music from Halen, the band? ;)

Thought you would never ask.......

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[Andy Taylor]

Lame.

[Andy Taylor]

Hello, siggy. :D

:gulp:

That's kinda cute...

[FORD]

Lame.

You're starting to sound like another alias of the spamming disease infested cunt.

[kwame k]

You're starting to sound like another alias of the spamming disease infested cunt.


No, he's just one of those arguments for argument sake. Duran Duran for fuck's sake. We should include Michael Jackson and Madonna into this thread by his criteria. A band that has had no influence on music, by his own admission, don't play their instruments onstage and have not been even remotely relevant in how many years. Sure, the mighty VH have not been relevant in years but try and say VH didn't influence the majority of the bands in the 80's. Funny how the look of rock and the face of guitar playing changed with VH. Tell me what changed when DD hit the scene? Nothing.

Name for me bands who site DD as their musical influence........but that's not the point of this thread. It's just his opinion, based on no criteria. The dude from Chic says they are good? Didn't he produce them? What the fuck would he say. Chic was a disposable disco band.....Fuck The Bee Gee's had more relevance than Chic.

[FORD]

Chic.... a band of excellent musicians who wasted their talents on lame ass disco shit.

The equivalent would be if Jimmy Page & John Paul Jones would have remained session musicians and ended up playing on the Partridge Family albums, instead of forming Led Zeppelin.

[kwame k]

Chic.... a band of excellent musicians who wasted their talents on lame ass disco shit.

The equivalent would be if Jimmy Page & John Paul Jones would have remained session musicians and ended up playing on the Partridge Family albums, instead of forming Led Zeppelin.


Exactly, Nile Rodgers is a brilliant musician and producer, no doubt about that but...........DD as a greatest band? While you may personally think they are.....that doesn't make it so......on any level DD don't hold up, period.

Album sales.....nope, a ton of bands have sold more.
Influence on music.......nope, tons of bands have had more.
Changing pop culture......nope, tons of bands had more influence.
Originality.....nope, the true pioneers had way more originality.
Staying power......hell, Bon Jovi beats them.

So how and why DD could even be considered in a greatest bands thread, on any level, other than......because I say so, is beyond any rational judgment.

[FORD]

Well, funny thing is.... there was this one group of chicks at my high school (this being the 80's of course) that called themselves the "Duranimals". Totally into Duran Duran, dressed like them, wore their makeup like Rhodes & LeBon, wallpapered their lockers with DD posters, etc.

Every one of those chicks ended up in a band. Not that they became huge stars or anything, but a couple of them actually got as far as putting out a record. And these bands sounded nothing at all like Duran Duran

.......thank God!

[LoungeMachine]

So how and why DD could even be considered in a greatest bands thread, on any level, other than......because I say so, is beyond any rational judgment.



See, even drummers think you're wack, Andy.

:gulp:

[kwame k]

Watch it strings!

[binnie]

I prostrate myself before the king of hilarity himself. ^

Dude, you can't expect to state that Duran Duran are one of the greatest bands of all time and not get your balls busted a little bit. It's like admitting that you fucked the ugly girl in school.......

[Seshmeister]

erm... his finger movements didn't match up to what he was playing. Look it's generally known that John has at different points played without plugging in his bass. I'm the Duran fan here, not you.

Yeah that was Simon mainly. But he generally sings over that too, it's not a total mime. I don't know what the idea is...

So you admit Le Bon Bon mimes and think the bass player and keyboard player mime. You also say you have no idea.

I think you've lost this one. :)

[Seshmeister]

Name for me bands who cite DD as their musical influence........

I dunno but they definitely influenced some boy band managers absolutely perfecting the removal of cash from the sweaty palms of pubescent girls.

You would think they would be too embarrassed to appear miming in public when with the internet and their fanbase reaching adulthood they were bound to get found out.

They have no shame. Imagine spending your whole life defining yourself as a guitarist or drummer or singer and then standing in front of thousands each night and faking it. It's one thing when you have been discovered by some shady manager in your late teens and thrust towards fame based on your ability to help teenage girls achieve their first successful masturbatory experiences but 25 years later anyone with some pride would have gone back and learned how to play.

[Seshmeister]

Dude, you can't expect to state that Duran Duran are one of the greatest bands of all time and not get your balls busted a little bit. It's like admitting that you fucked the ugly girl in school.......

No it's like admitting you were the ugly girl in school... :)

[binnie]

We're not homophobic. We just hate faggy bands like Duran Duran.

The best quote in this whole thread. Genius :D

[binnie]

'Andy', I ain't gonna bash ya. It's just hard to see how Duran Duran could ever conceivably be in the 'Greatest Band of All Time' running.

I think that most posters here could recognize that they had more about them than a lot of the pop fluff that they get lumped in with (Wham, Madonna etc etc); and I think that most people would admit that they wrote some good tunes, had an ear for a good hook, and could play instruments pretty damn well. They also have a notable back catalogue, sold a bucket load of records, and they might even have been a phenomenal live band (I don't know as this is waaaaaaaaay before my time.)

But does any of that constitute the 'Greatest Band of All Time' tag? Nope.

Maybe a comparison will help. Megan Fox is currently considered to be the most beautiful woman in the world. Few people would dispute that see is hotter than hell. But could she ever be called 'the most sexiest woman of all time'? Does she have that certain something that you just can't quantify that makes her appeal timeless, like Bridget Bardot? No.

Same with Duran Duran. They might have all the incredients but they fall short with the 'secret incredient'.

[Andy Taylor]

No, he's just one of those arguments for argument sake. Duran Duran for fuck's sake. We should include Michael Jackson and Madonna into this thread by his criteria. A band that has had no influence on music, by his own admission, don't play their instruments onstage and have not been even remotely relevant in how many years. Sure, the mighty VH have not been relevant in years but try and say VH didn't influence the majority of the bands in the 80's. Funny how the look of rock and the face of guitar playing changed with VH. Tell me what changed when DD hit the scene? Nothing.

Name for me bands who site DD as their musical influence........but that's not the point of this thread. It's just his opinion, based on no criteria. The dude from Chic says they are good? Didn't he produce them? What the fuck would he say. Chic was a disposable disco band.....Fuck The Bee Gee's had more relevance than Chic.


The sheep mentality is amazing. You put something for people to read and they act like it was never there.

All this proof was back there, you just chose to skip it. You regurgitate the miming part as if that's what they did throughout their career when you know no one said that.

You don't like them and neither do I but Mark Ronson, Justin Timberlake are two of the biggest artists around now. Both are fans, Ronson says they were the biggest band for him. Beck and Moby were two of the biggest artists of the last decade, both huge fans, Moby especially is on record defending them against critics. Snoop Dogg says they were the only white group they listened to and P. Diddy covered them. I know this is true, many black people say they dig Duran. Smashing Pumpkins covered one rare Duran song with Simon as guest vocalist. Billy Corgan joined them again ten years later to cover another rare song with Duran. I think that's more than enough influence there.

Once again, you don't like Chic, but they are one of the most influential bands ever, there is no debate, you're ignorant of the facts, some evidence provided back on page one, you glossed over it. I would suggest a Chic bio: Everybody Dance by Daryl Easlea. Maybe you're the one with opinions with little to back them up. Do you really want to speak of Halen's importance outside America?

[Andy Taylor]

Dude, you can't expect to state that Duran Duran are one of the greatest bands of all time and not get your balls busted a little bit. It's like admitting that you fucked the ugly girl in school.......

This has little meaning for me. I think it's silly that music has to be tied up with social groups ... I grew up on Maiden and was a metal only fan at one point. I go by what I like musically, I'm not overly impressed with Roth quotes, his persona and pearls of wisdom. If that's an important criteria that's sad.

[Andy Taylor]

'Andy', I ain't gonna bash ya. It's just hard to see how Duran Duran could ever conceivably be in the 'Greatest Band of All Time' running.

I think that most posters here could recognize that they had more about them than a lot of the pop fluff that they get lumped in with (Wham, Madonna etc etc); and I think that most people would admit that they wrote some good tunes, had an ear for a good hook, and could play instruments pretty damn well. They also have a notable back catalogue, sold a bucket load of records, and they might even have been a phenomenal live band (I don't know as this is waaaaaaaaay before my time.)

But does any of that constitute the 'Greatest Band of All Time' tag? Nope.

Maybe a comparison will help. Megan Fox is currently considered to be the most beautiful woman in the world. Few people would dispute that see is hotter than hell. But could she ever be called 'the most sexiest woman of all time'? Does she have that certain something that you just can't quantify that makes her appeal timeless, like Bridget Bardot? No.

Same with Duran Duran. They might have all the incredients but they fall short with the 'secret incredient'.



I think they do have something special. As I see it the problem is this ... certain types of music have been given a legitimacy over others. The closer you fit the Beatles or Stones model the more seriously you're taken. There is no real objective criteria for saying more than half the Beatles stuff is above average. I used to hear them close to every day but in recent times I've gone over the albums song by song and I don't feel like hearing them and I don't see any 'genius' in them. I've seen in my own time how 'classic' bands are created. In my teens Green Day was an average band no more important than EMF(you're unbelievable). Nowadays with the passage of time they're suddenly like a modern day Who or Kinks. Once something passes into the culture for whatever reason, because the tunes are simple and catchy or the people like hyping it (Brits loves to hype things) it becomes impossible to question its importance. Sgt. Pepper to me now is like the nigerian scam of music, most of that shit is third rate. But critics will carry on being lazy and regurgitating what's been said before - these are people that admit to not hearing the albums anywhere as much as they do writing about them. That's the point, a lot of the Beatles stuff is really unlistenable after awhile. Bands like Duran, along with Maiden, Halen, others have enough going on to keep me interested after a decade plus of listening. The only reason people still can't take Duran seriously is because of a clueless critic base who don't even play instruments and most of them are incredibly elitist. They champion certain groups who are as pretentious and self-important as them (birds of a feather) and if your image is shallow they'll hate you. They don't like groups who don't show the right attitude. Whereas the Beatles were a 'serious' group so as a result when they have an album cover with cardboard cut outs of people, even that passes into the culture and is hailed as genius. Zappa was right about them and this applies to most music out there. Some music gets a legitimacy it doesn't deserve and other bands get knocked down. People never listen with their own ears. Apart from Duran, if things were fair, Roxy Music would have had wide appreciation. So would have Kate Bush ... and, well it would be a long list. The rock hierarchy would probably be turned upside down. Music needs to be re-evaluated every once in awhile otherwise you get a mindless acceptance of something. Beatle fans and other classic rock lovers are like hardcore bible thumpers. If the Beatles are not the best ever ... what else is there? To accept anything to the contrary is like a step into the unknown.

[Andy Taylor]

More fans: Anthony Kiedis from RHCP.

Wyclef Jean's second fave album ever is Rio, right after Beatles Revolver.

Joe Elliot copied Le Bon's style for Love Bites and called it the Simon Le Bon effect. Leppard have made references to Duran on different occasion, saying they were more like Duran and less like Maiden.

Scott Gorham wanted to form a band with John Taylor around 1983 and they jammed together. Wouldn't be surprised if Lynott was too. His idea for his solo 80s music was to mix the loudest dance beats with rock music. That describes what Duran were doing.

[binnie]

So this is all a conspiracy by critics to hype certain types of bands?

A GREAT band is one which has a fanbase appealing to a wide vareity of age groups: you go to a Stones gig, and there will be people from the ages of 12 to 65 there; same with AC/DC, Metallica, Maiden, Ozzy, Sabbath, The Who etc etc. The songs from those bands connects with the music lovers of each generaion.

Now, I have no doubt that Duran Duran sell a lot of tickets, but I'm guessing that most of their fans are the people who were there the first time around - the music just doesn't appeal to the next generation(s) because it was of its time (no bad thing). I can't say I've ever seen a 15 year old kid with a Duran Duran T-shirt on. Same way I don't see many 15 year kids wearing Bon Jovi Tshirts, but those wearing Hendrix shirts are ten-a-penny.

Now, is that because the media 'tells' people to only like certain 'great' bands; or is it because those bands truly have a timeless, transcendent quality? No doubt that fashion and fads are important, but you can't fool everyone.

[binnie]

This has little meaning for me. I think it's silly that music has to be tied up with social groups ... I grew up on Maiden and was a metal only fan at one point. I go by what I like musically, I'm not overly impressed with Roth quotes, his persona and pearls of wisdom. If that's an important criteria that's sad.

Sorry, I think you missed my point. You recognize that placing this level of importance on the musical output of Duran Duran makes you somewhat novel, and I was saying that you should expect to get your balls busted for it - just like the guy who fucked the ugly girl in school would.

It has nothing to do with David Lee Roth.

[Andy Taylor]

So this is all a conspiracy by critics to hype certain types of bands?

A GREAT band is one which has a fanbase appealing to a wide vareity of age groups: you go to a Stones gig, and there will be people from the ages of 12 to 65 there; same with AC/DC, Metallica, Maiden, Ozzy, Sabbath, The Who etc etc. The songs from those bands connects with the music lovers of each generaion.

Now, I have no doubt that Duran Duran sell a lot of tickets, but I'm guessing that most of their fans are the people who were there the first time around - the music just doesn't appeal to the next generation(s) because it was of its time (no bad thing). I can't say I've ever seen a 15 year old kid with a Duran Duran T-shirt on. Same way I don't see many 15 year kids wearing Bon Jovi Tshirts, but those wearing Hendrix shirts are ten-a-penny.

Now, is that because the media 'tells' people to only like certain 'great' bands; or is it because those bands truly have a timeless, transcendent quality? No doubt that fashion and fads are important, but you can't fool everyone.

Ah but you do have Duran fans of every age group, 10 - 50 and above.

Not a conspiracy but that is how people's minds work. They herd themselves in and think along certain lines.

[Andy Taylor]

Sorry, I think you missed my point. You recognize that placing this level of importance on the musical output of Duran Duran makes you somewhat novel, and I was saying that you should expect to get your balls busted for it - just like the guy who fucked the ugly girl in school would.

It has nothing to do with David Lee Roth.

I understood it. I'm just saying that music should be heard for music's sakes and so there's no reason for Duran to be associated with the ugly girl or Halen to be appreciated for anything other than the music.

[binnie]

Not a conspiracy but that is how people's minds work. They herd themselves in and think along certain lines. .

So, the lesson to be learned here is that Duran Duran fans are the real free thinkers of the world?

[Andy Taylor]

Sarcasm doesn't work as an argument all the time.

If people were to open themselves up more you wouldn't see the Beatles, Stones et al dominating the polls each time. I'm hardly suggesting that everyone should have Duran as their favourite band.

[kwame k]

The sheep mentality is amazing. You put something for people to read and they act like it was never there.

I read you posts but disagree with your premise that they are one of the greatest bands of all time. So that makes me a sheep?


All this proof was back there, you just chose to skip it. You regurgitate the miming part as if that's what they did throughout their career when you know no one said that.

Proof of what? They were a popular band in the 80's and 90's. That they influenced people? Ok, I agree with that but did they influence a whole generation, did they change popular culture, did they change musical landscape of their time. To a degree, probably. To the degree that the Beatles did, no. Here again, you premise is subjective, at best.


You don't like them and neither do I but Mark Ronson, Justin Timberlake are two of the biggest artists around now. Both are fans, Ronson says they were the biggest band for him. Beck and Moby were two of the biggest artists of the last decade, both huge fans, Moby especially is on record defending them against critics. Snoop Dogg says they were the only white group they listened to and P. Diddy covered them. I know this is true, many black people say they dig Duran. Smashing Pumpkins covered one rare Duran song with Simon as guest vocalist. Billy Corgan joined them again ten years later to cover another rare song with Duran. I think that's more than enough influence there.
Here again. Yes, they influenced a few people. Did the influence a whole generation and change the musical landscape forever? No.


Once again, you don't like Chic, but they are one of the most influential bands ever, there is no debate, you're ignorant of the facts, some evidence provided back on page one, you glossed over it. I would suggest a Chic bio: Everybody Dance by Daryl Easlea. Maybe you're the one with opinions with little to back them up. Do you really want to speak of Halen's importance outside America?

Oh course we can debate this. The Bee Gee's changed modern music in their time and issued in a new trend. They outsold Chic. Abba has outsold Chic, here again, it's subjective. To what degree, is Chic one of the most influential bands of all time.

By Album sales........there are more bands that out sold them.
By Artist being influenced by them........more bands have been influenced by other bands.
By changing Popular Music.........many bands have changed popular music to a greater degree than Chic.

So what is the criteria? By any standard there are more bands that have changed music than DD and Chic combined.

As far as facts go......Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Eagles and on and on have sold more, influenced more and are still more relevant than either DD and Chic.

Should we limit Greatest Bands of All Time to a minimum of 100 million albums sold or by having the highest grossing concerts of all time. Give me a guideline and we'll debate who was the best, if not, it's purely opinion not fact.

[Seshmeister]

But could she ever be called 'the most sexiest woman of all time'?

No, absolutely not.

Sexiest is a superlative. You can use the superlative form or the word 'most' but not both.

What you have done is illegally use a double superlative which is shocking behavior.

[LoungeMachine]

Most shocking, in fact.

:gulp:

[binnie]

No, absolutely not.

Sexiest is a superlative. You can use the superlative form or the word 'most' but not both.

What you have done is illegally use a double superlative which is shocking behavior.

Ok, I owned myself.

Thanks Sesh.

:D

[Seshmeister]

What Andy is doing by saying that Duran Duran are the greatest band ever(it's actually impossible to type that without laughing) is to be fair quite inclusive.

She is effectively saying that the greatest band title should be given to all of the usually forgotten session musicians, producers and ghost writers that created and performed on these records.

In a way it's cool for her to say we should remember those guys for once.

[LoungeMachine]

I say Duran could quite easily be the best band ever


.

Just in case we've lost sight of the thread starter's initial point.

:D

:gulp:

[Matt White]

Joe Elliot copied Le Bon's style for Love Bites and called it the Simon Le Bon effect. Leppard have made references to Duran on different occasion, saying they were more like Duran and less like Maiden.

Ahhhhhh...it all makes sense now....

No WONDER I hate Def Lep.......

They turned into Poofs.....:hee:

[Reverberator]

Got to just say that when Andy Taylor did his rock stuff back in the day I was very impressed....I had been playing for only a couple of years then around '88 '89 ish..? and when the DJ at the rock club I used to frequent announced his name after playing one of his tracks I thought ... whoa.

I've had respect for him ever since.

[Seshmeister]

A rare moment when the greatest ever band were forced not to mime.

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[LoungeMachine]

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WTF ???????

[FORD]

Joe Elliot copied Le Bon's style for Love Bites and called it the Simon Le Bon effect.

Not coincidentally, this was the exact moment that Def Leppard became pussies.



Scott Gorham wanted to form a band with John Taylor around 1983 and they jammed together. Wouldn't be surprised if Lynott was too. His idea for his solo 80s music was to mix the loudest dance beats with rock music. That describes what Duran were doing.

It's already been established that John Taylor is a talented bass player, and fully capable of playing decent music when he's not surrounded by the likes of Simon LeBonBon and Nick Rhodes. As for the Thin Lizzy guys, they were looking for any way to stay relevant at the time. Sadly it didn't work, and Lynott ended up killing himself as a result a few years later. But Taylor eventually started playing with bands that were based on guitar sounds, and not synthesizers. (Power Station, Neurotic Outsiders)

Funny though, that members of Thin Lizzy had previously worked with Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols, and that both Andy & John Taylor would later work with him.

By default, wouldn't that make the Sex Pistols the greatest band of all time? ;)

[Andy Taylor]

I read you posts but disagree with your premise that they are one of the greatest bands of all time. So that makes me a sheep?

No, it was in how you dismissed them completely questioning everything about them without choosing to hear anything in their favour.



Proof of what? They were a popular band in the 80's and 90's. That they influenced people? Ok, I agree with that but did they influence a whole generation, did they change popular culture, did they change musical landscape of their time. To a degree, probably. To the degree that the Beatles did, no. Here again, you premise is subjective, at best.Here again. Yes, they influenced a few people. Did the influence a whole generation and change the musical landscape forever? No.



We're getting somewhere, so now you atleast accept that they had some influence and perhaps more than an 80s trend. As much as the Beatles? Clearly not.



Oh course we can debate this. The Bee Gee's changed modern music in their time and issued in a new trend. They outsold Chic. Abba has outsold Chic, here again, it's subjective. To what degree, is Chic one of the most influential bands of all time.

By Album sales........there are more bands that out sold them.
By Artist being influenced by them........more bands have been influenced by other bands.
By changing Popular Music.........many bands have changed popular music to a greater degree than Chic.

So what is the criteria? By any standard there are more bands that have changed music than DD and Chic combined.

As far as facts go......Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Eagles and on and on have sold more, influenced more and are still more relevant than either DD and Chic.

Should we limit Greatest Bands of All Time to a minimum of 100 million albums sold or by having the highest grossing concerts of all time. Give me a guideline and we'll debate who was the best, if not, it's purely opinion not fact.


Influence is always brought up as an all important criteria. But this brings us back to the original point of this thread. If people have been force fed their music and the notion that Beatles etc is the best thing ever, then ofcourse they will be 'influenced' by it. Just like CNN and Fox 'influences' people every day, but I call it conditioning. It's not just the bands we're talking about, entire genres are put down as being less important. People don't talk about funk riffs the way they would about the blues. And yet that is what Chic is, there's much more happening than 'disco' on their 7 albums, rn'b, funk, jazz, soul and some disco. We're not talking Euro disco like Boney M here, their music is far more sophisticated. It needs to be listened to with a new set of ears not as part of some disco compilation which spoils its importance. This is a short summary of Chic's accomplishments; I recommended a book which I'm not reading through again, so this is from Wiki.

the lead track "Good Times," is one of the most important and influential songs of the era. The track formed the backbone of Grandmaster Flash's "Adventures on the Wheels of Steel" and the Sugarhill Gang's breakthrough hip-hop single, "Rapper's Delight", and it has been endlessly sampled since by many dance and hip-hop acts, as well as being the inspiration for Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust" and also Blondie's "Rapture" also for the bass line of Daft Punk "Around the World".

At the same time, Edwards and Rodgers composed, arranged, performed, and produced many influential disco and R&B records for both established artists and one-hit wonders, including Sister Sledge's albums We Are Family (1979) and Love Somebody Today (1980); Diana Ross's 1980 album diana, which included the hit singles "Upside Down", "I'm Coming Out" and "My Old Piano"

Not just produced but they wrote the songs and played the music on them. That's Ross's biggest album of her career and many of those songs have been sampled. The same goes for the Sister Sledge stuff, all this stuff is heard in original form today and in sampled versions.



If you ask me what the important things are in judging a band, I'll say good song craftsmanship and creativity. And lastability. For me Beatles has the first two, but doesn't hold up too well. Besides this I'd personally go for a great rhythm section, and some people like groove oriented stuff. You don't hear it much in rock except in a few exceptions like Pantera, Sabbath, stoner and then Chic, Duran type stuff.

I can't come up with an all conclusive criteria. It's the easy thing to do to use influence or sales. But one can be as pointless as the other. We know that Britney and Kylie have sold a good deal and their concerts sell out too. You can bet generations of new stripper/dancers are being influenced by them, they're not listening to Rubber Soul. Since many people say Abba/Bee Gees have outsold Beatles I wouldn't be surprised if it's a relatively small and vocal bunch of fans and critic geeks who are hyping them any chance they get. If the Bee Gees sold so much surely they should be getting some near that amount of press but there's a media blackout on them almost.

Beyond those three I mentioned I can't think of any other standard. Maybe the polls are pointless and if you have a serious debate you probably would have to get a team of people to analyse a whole bunch of albums/bands song by song.

[Andy Taylor]

Not coincidentally, this was the exact moment that Def Leppard became pussies.



It's already been established that John Taylor is a talented bass player, and fully capable of playing decent music when he's not surrounded by the likes of Simon LeBonBon and Nick Rhodes. As for the Thin Lizzy guys, they were looking for any way to stay relevant at the time. Sadly it didn't work, and Lynott ended up killing himself as a result a few years later. But Taylor eventually started playing with bands that were based on guitar sounds, and not synthesizers. (Power Station, Neurotic Outsiders)

Funny though, that members of Thin Lizzy had previously worked with Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols, and that both Andy & John Taylor would later work with him.

By default, wouldn't that make the Sex Pistols the greatest band of all time? ;)


Lepp were pussies atleast from Pyromania on. I've always hated them.

JT's best work was on the first three Duran albums and he's written more classic bass lines than a dozen of the best rock bands put together. Certainly more than Geezer.

He's put out many solo albums, besides those 'punk' efforts the rest sound like a mix of electronica weirdness, it's got bass, sax, synth. Not rocky at all.


I'll take the Damned over the Pistols any day.

[kwame k]

No, it was in how you dismissed them completely questioning everything about them without choosing to hear anything in their favour.

No I heard most of DD when it came out. I was playing in bar bands and DJ'ing at the time they were popular. You just assumed I have never heard them. Wrong assumption. I know most of Chic's stuff because it was popular when I was a kid. The fucking Commodores smoke them. Listen to this and tell me what grooves more. I loved the funk of the 70's and still listen to it today. I grew up on it.

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We're getting somewhere, so now you atleast accept that they had some influence and perhaps more than an 80s trend. As much as the Beatles? Clearly not.

I never said they haven't influenced people or were a great band. They just are not even close to the top 20 of Greatest Bands Ever.





Influence is always brought up as an all important criteria. But this brings us back to the original point of this thread. If people have been force fed their music and the notion that Beatles etc is the best thing ever, then ofcourse they will be 'influenced' by it. Just like CNN and Fox 'influences' people every day, but I call it conditioning. It's not just the bands we're talking about, entire genres are put down as being less important. People don't talk about funk riffs the way they would about the blues. And yet that is what Chic is, there's much more happening than 'disco' on their 7 albums, rn'b, funk, jazz, soul and some disco. We're not talking Euro disco like Boney M here, their music is far more sophisticated. It needs to be listened to with a new set of ears not as part of some disco compilation which spoils its importance. This is a short summary of Chic's accomplishments; I recommended a book which I'm not reading through again, so this is from Wiki.

So I was preconditioned to think that Elvis, Chuck Berry Buddy Holly, Little Richards and the rest of the pioneers of rock were influential only because someone told me so. That Brian Wilson was a fucking genius and Pet Songs is still one of my Favorite albums of all time but because it is recognize as being one of the most influential albums of all time, that's just media preconditioning. How about Nirvana, Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, and Alice in Chains. They changed rock in the 90's and killed that bloated bag of shit that was 80's pop metal.

Thanks for clearing up the fact that I had no ability to discern which bands I liked and was so wrong in my over all musical tastes. Please.

That if I don't personally think that Chic and DD were even in the top 50 of Greatest Bands Ever! So it's the you are right and if I don't agree with you, I have the problem, Grow The Fuck Up!

I'm a dude who grew up in Motown. Where do you think the precursor to funk came from. Ever listen to James Jamerson's bass lines, they were some of the most influential bass lines ever recorded. Ever heard of The Funk Brothers. I also love funk and Chic doesn't even come close to being labeled funk. Not in a million years.



the lead track "Good Times," is one of the most important and influential songs of the era. The track formed the backbone of Grandmaster Flash's "Adventures on the Wheels of Steel" and the Sugarhill Gang's breakthrough hip-hop single, "Rapper's Delight", and it has been endlessly sampled since by many dance and hip-hop acts, as well as being the inspiration for Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust" and also Blondie's "Rapture" also for the bass line of Daft Punk "Around the World".

At the same time, Edwards and Rodgers composed, arranged, performed, and produced many influential disco and R&B records for both established artists and one-hit wonders, including Sister Sledge's albums We Are Family (1979) and Love Somebody Today (1980); Diana Ross's 1980 album diana, which included the hit singles "Upside Down", "I'm Coming Out" and "My Old Piano"

So fucking what. Wiki fucking references. Diana Ross had more hits with Motown than she ever had with those guys. So by your standards the people who wrote and produced her other top 10 smashes are better than those guys from the 80's. Since she had way more with Motwon.


Not just produced but they wrote the songs and played the music on them. That's Ross's biggest album of her career and many of those songs have been sampled. The same goes for the Sister Sledge stuff, all this stuff is heard in original form today and in sampled versions.

Biggest album of her solo career but not the biggest album of her career and not what made her a legend.



If you ask me what the important things are in judging a band, I'll say good song craftsmanship and creativity. And lastability. For me Beatles has the first two, but doesn't hold up too well. Besides this I'd personally go for a great rhythm section, and some people like groove oriented stuff. You don't hear it much in rock except in a few exceptions like Pantera, Sabbath, stoner and then Chic, Duran type stuff.

Song Craftsmanship and last-ability? Then come back and talk about DD 20 years from now and we'll poll a 100 random people and see if the majority will remember The Beatles or Elvis or DD. Wonder who'll win that poll?


Since many people say Abba/Bee Gees have outsold Beatles I wouldn't be surprised if it's a relatively small and vocal bunch of fans and critic geeks who are hyping them any chance they get. If the Bee Gees sold so much surely they should be getting some near that amount of press but there's a media blackout on them almost.

The people who say that they sold more records are just these guys but what do they know.........

29 EAGLES/THEIR GREATEST HITS 1971 - 1975 EAGLES ELEKTRA
27 THRILLER JACKSON, MICHAEL EPIC
23 LED ZEPPELIN IV LED ZEPPELIN ATLANTIC
23 THE WALL PINK FLOYD COLUMBIA
22 BACK IN BLACK AC/DC EPIC
21 DOUBLE LIVE BROOKS, GARTH CAPITOL NASHVILLE
21 GREATEST HITS VOLUME I & VOLUME II JOEL, BILLY COLUMBIA
20 COME ON OVER TWAIN, SHANIA MERCURY NASHVILLE
19 RUMOURS FLEETWOOD MAC WARNER BROS.
19 THE BEATLES BEATLES, THE APPLE
18 APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION GUNS 'N ROSES GEFFEN
17 BOSTON BOSTON EPIC
17 THE BODYGUARD (SOUNDTRACK) HOUSTON, WHITNEY ARISTA
17 NO FENCES BROOKS, GARTH CAPITOL
16 THE BEATLES 1967 - 1970 BEATLES, THE APPLE
16 CRACKED REAR VIEW HOOTIE & THE BLOWFISH ATLANTIC
16 PHYSICAL GRAFFITI LED ZEPPELIN SWAN SONG
16 HOTEL CALIFORNIA EAGLES ASYLUM
16 GREATEST HITS JOHN, ELTON MCA
16 JAGGED LITTLE PILL MORISSETTE, ALANIS MAVERICK
15 THE BEATLES 1962 - 1966 BEATLES, THE APPLE
15 GREATEST HITS JOURNEY COLUMBIA
15 DARK SIDE OF THE MOON PINK FLOYD HARVEST
15 SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER (SOUNDTRACK) BEE GEES RSO

Link (http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=tblTop100&action=)

Funny Chic and DD never even made the top 100 of all time album sales but the RIAA must have something against them or is it the fact that they didn't sell half the fucking records you think they did.

[chefcraig]

No I heard most of DD when it came out. I was playing in bar bands and DJ'ing at the time they were popular. You just assumed I have never heard them. Wrong assumption. I know most of Chic's stuff because it was popular when I was a kid. The fucking Commodores smoke them. Listen to this and tell me what grooves more. I loved the funk of the 70's and still listen to it today. I grew up on it.

T.O.P. ruled as well. Crap, this tune still kills me to play on bass.

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[kwame k]

Oh fuck yeah! Seen these guys live. They bring it. The fucking horns!

We need to bring Bootsy into this thread.

[kwame k]

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[chefcraig]

Oh fuck yeah! Seen these guys live. They bring it. The fucking horns!

We need to bring Bootsy into this thread.

That's the very thing: having played some of this stuff over the years, it gives you a true appreciation of the mechanics behind the songwriting and musicianship. Just getting on top of some of this material is truly rewarding, and being able to play it for people and see them get off on it as much as you did really seals the deal.

I think that is why musicians (particularly those that came up in our era) have such a deep-seated respect for not only the material, yet the people who composed and played it. I'm not saying those that came in our wake are inferior nor are their opinions any less valid. Yet the actual material we are discussing (say 60's/70's versus 80's/90's) simply does not compare when given close scrutiny, particularly when you realize how much studio trickery is employed in the later days of the recording process.

[kwame k]

That's the very thing: having played some of this stuff over the years, it gives you a true appreciation of the mechanics behind the songwriting and musicianship. Just getting on top of some of this material is truly rewarding, and being able to play it for people and see them get off on it as much as you did really seals the deal.

I think that is why musicians (particularly those that came up in our era) have such a deep-seated respect for not only the material, yet the people who composed and played it. I'm not saying those that came in our wake are inferior nor are their opinions any less valid. Yet the actual material we are discussing (say 60's/70's versus 80's/90's) simply does not compare when given close scrutiny, particularly when you realize how much studio trickery is employed in the later days of the recording process.

Spot on Craig!

[kwame k]

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[kwame k]

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[kwame k]

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[LoungeMachine]

Only here could a thread debating the validity of Duran fucking Duran being the greatest band ever make it to 5 fucking pages....... :D

:gulp:

Gotta love it.

[binnie]

Haha!

What I'd give for a Branigan thread right about now..........

[Panamark]

Duran Duran

Simon Lebon and his talented backup band.


Andy Taylor - Jizz in your pants time !!

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/duranduran/summerstage/27.jpg

[Andy Taylor]

No I heard most of DD when it came out. I was playing in bar bands and DJ'ing at the time they were popular. You just assumed I have never heard them. Wrong assumption. I know most of Chic's stuff because it was popular when I was a kid. The fucking Commodores smoke them. Listen to this and tell me what grooves more. I loved the funk of the 70's and still listen to it today. I grew up on it.

So fucking what. Wiki fucking references. Diana Ross had more hits with Motown than she ever had with those guys. So by your standards the people who wrote and produced her other top 10 smashes are better than those guys from the 80's. Since she had way more with Motwon.



Biggest album of her solo career but not the biggest album of her career and not what made her a legend.




You should read that part more carefully. I know you and everyone else has listened to them... the songs that were on Mtv. What I was talking about your attitude towards them which is that they were talentless and had no influence. And you carried on with those assumptions even though I provided videos and other examples. Maybe just that second video on the first page would have showed they write real songs, have musical, instrumental ability even in a live setting.

That Commodores sound does groove more than the average Chic song. I didn't try to say Chic was the funkiest group out there. But the riff in Le Freak and the bass in Good Times, these are huge. And they are definitely funk, you're on something if you can't hear that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Times_(Chic_song)

Why the knee jerk reaction to Wiki. I recommended you a book. It mentions the same things on that earlier page and expands on it. And I find it strange that you like James Jamerson but cannot appreciate the bass lines that Bernard did for Chic and the other bands. The Diana album is the single biggest seller of her career, and they only worked with her once. You can't take a whole bunch of songs from all over and put it next to one album.




I never said they haven't influenced people or were a great band.


Duran Duran for fuck's sake. A band that has had no influence on music, by his own admission, don't play their instruments onstage and have not been even remotely relevant in how many years. Tell me what changed when DD hit the scene? Nothing.

Name for me bands who site DD as their musical influence


They just are not even close to the top 20 of Greatest Bands Ever.

They just are not. Classic rock bands just are. And you've gone further when you named Nevermind as a deserving album. It's probably the worst Nirvana album and most of the songs, if not all are instantly forgettable.


So I was preconditioned to think that Elvis, Chuck Berry Buddy Holly, Little Richards and the rest of the pioneers of rock were influential only because someone told me so. That Brian Wilson was a fucking genius and Pet Songs is still one of my Favorite albums of all time but because it is recognize as being one of the most influential albums of all time, that's just media preconditioning. How about Nirvana, Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, and Alice in Chains. They changed rock in the 90's and killed that bloated bag of shit that was 80's pop metal.


Certainly on some bands most people are preconditioned all the time. That's why I brought up Oasis as a case in point. Mentioning Nevermind along with everything else is a good indicator.

As for the grunge movement killing pop metal (and 80s hard rock), they didn't and you should know better being on a Halen forum. Hard rock was played on MTV a year after Nevermind, the fanbase was around and still is, Skid Row's album went platinum, GNR was the dominant band of the early 90s, Bon Jovi never faded, Lepp was big till 95, Balance hit no.1 in 95, Dokken reunited the same year, Crue hit the top 5 with Gen Swine in 97 after grunge was dead. Metal was also supposed to have been killed off but it was bigger than ever, Metallica hit No.1, Megadeth, No.2, and Pantera at No.1! This is the old media line that you're parrotting. The companies 'killed' the trend when they wanted to and promoted the new trend. History was being white washed as it happened and even the hard rockers bought into the myth.


Thanks for clearing up the fact that I had no ability to discern which bands I liked and was so wrong in my over all musical tastes. Please.

That if I don't personally think that Chic and DD were even in the top 50 of Greatest Bands Ever! So it's the you are right and if I don't agree with you, I have the problem, Grow The Fuck Up!

If you don't acknowledge the talent they do have, the importance of their music you might be a woolly mammal. If you think 60s, 70s and instantly associate with 'classic' that too shows a lack of real reasoning. Ofcourse people might love say Queen and Zep for the music alone. But to say 'best ever' and not allow Duran and many other bands to put through the same 'test', that's being a sheep




Song Craftsmanship and last-ability? Then come back and talk about DD 20 years from now and we'll poll a 100 random people and see if the majority will remember The Beatles or Elvis or DD. Wonder who'll win that poll?

It all comes down to polls and popularity for you.

Interestingly, it's only now that Duran are getting their dues. In the 80s it wouldn't have happened, but this decade, Rio was in the Top 30 albums of all time in a Q poll. Not that I care either way for Q's opinion. It also took about 30 years for Revolver to be reach No.1 in the polls whereas it had always been Sgt. Pepper. Maybe time is good at weeding out the crap and bringing up the real gems. At one time Meddle quite rightly came ahead of Dsotm though sadly it's gone back thanks to critics and other fans of reviews.




The people who say that they sold more records are just these guys but what do they know.........

29 EAGLES/THEIR GREATEST HITS 1971 - 1975 EAGLES ELEKTRA
27 THRILLER JACKSON, MICHAEL EPIC
23 LED ZEPPELIN IV LED ZEPPELIN ATLANTIC
23 THE WALL PINK FLOYD COLUMBIA
22 BACK IN BLACK AC/DC EPIC
21 DOUBLE LIVE BROOKS, GARTH CAPITOL NASHVILLE
21 GREATEST HITS VOLUME I & VOLUME II JOEL, BILLY COLUMBIA
20 COME ON OVER TWAIN, SHANIA MERCURY NASHVILLE
19 RUMOURS FLEETWOOD MAC WARNER BROS.
19 THE BEATLES BEATLES, THE APPLE
18 APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION GUNS 'N ROSES GEFFEN
17 BOSTON BOSTON EPIC
17 THE BODYGUARD (SOUNDTRACK) HOUSTON, WHITNEY ARISTA
17 NO FENCES BROOKS, GARTH CAPITOL
16 THE BEATLES 1967 - 1970 BEATLES, THE APPLE
16 CRACKED REAR VIEW HOOTIE & THE BLOWFISH ATLANTIC
16 PHYSICAL GRAFFITI LED ZEPPELIN SWAN SONG
16 HOTEL CALIFORNIA EAGLES ASYLUM
16 GREATEST HITS JOHN, ELTON MCA
16 JAGGED LITTLE PILL MORISSETTE, ALANIS MAVERICK
15 THE BEATLES 1962 - 1966 BEATLES, THE APPLE
15 GREATEST HITS JOURNEY COLUMBIA
15 DARK SIDE OF THE MOON PINK FLOYD HARVEST
15 SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER (SOUNDTRACK) BEE GEES RSO

Link (http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=tblTop100&action=)

Funny Chic and DD never even made the top 100 of all time album sales but the RIAA must have something against them or is it the fact that they didn't sell half the fucking records you think they did.

I believe I was talking about entire catalouge sales, not individual albums.

I don't give a shit about record sales. As far as I'm concerned a band that sells 200 copies could be the best band ever, just because others don't know about it, means not a thing.


I did a search for RIAA and their sales figures, I can't find a source that points out the trouble. At one point I was on the other side of this argument, with this other guy saying the Beatles figures were wrong and so on and he went into it in depth. There's quite a few people saying this, Dave included.

[LoungeMachine]

oh. my. god.

IT'S DURAN FUCKING DURAN FOR CHRIST'S SAKE

Duran Duran Message Board - Home (http://duranduranboard.proboards86.com/)

DuranDuranMusic.com - The Official Duran Duran Fan Community (http://duranduranmusic.com/)


Take this shit outside.

:gulp:

[kwame k]

Jesus Christ! Alright I did say that about DD and contradicted myself. Touché! DD are not, have not, nor will they ever be considered a greatest band of all time. It is your opinion, period.

Big fucking deal. The point is, will be and shall ever be. If we don't agree with you we are wrong.

Grunge didn't kill 80's pop metal. Stop reading fucking Chic books and read a few things about the grunge era. I guess those of us who lived in the Pacific Northwest during the late 80's and 90's have no clue about grunge. So educate us, please tell those of us who were there for it, how it really was. Again, disagree with you..........

Oh, so album sales or polls don't equate into your opinion of greatest bands. I gave you RIAA figures but those are flawed, OK, back to the theory of.......if everyone disagrees with you they are wrong.

So in your delusional world, if a band sells more albums, is acknowledge as being influential by everyone, sells more tickets and has more radio airplay...........well, none of that matters because they disagree with you.

You are right, I gloss over your shit because that's about all the time it's worth. So you go and believe how great Chic are and DD. I'm sure the 40 or 50 people who agree with you are a close knit and caring community.

Get the fuck over yourself and Lounge has shown you the links or go start a DD fan club.

This was so yesterday, now it's boring and redundant.

[Andy Taylor]

OK, back to the theory of.......if everyone disagrees with you they are wrong.


I'm done plenty of explaining this over and over but you seem incapable of getting it.

Well whoop de do, so the majority of people in the world must be right. Well if that's true that's a good, positive thing! It shows that there is a future ahead, full of hope and what not. Thanks for reassuring me that all is right with the world.

[Andy Taylor]

And what's more you were wrong on quite a few things such as influence, relevance but you admitted it later when I corrected you with facts.

So perhaps those who disagreed with me can be wrong? Hmmmm?

[kwame k]

I'm done plenty of explaining this over and over but you seem incapable of getting it.


Getting what? That I don't agree that DD are even close to being considered a Greatest Band Ever. Yup you are right. I don't get it and never will because in my opinion they are not. Just as in your opinion they are. See the key word here opinion.

When you negate polls, album sales, ticket sales, and general consensus, you are only left to one inescapable conclusion, opinions.


Thanks for the laughs and we made it to five pages about DD on a Van Halen message board! That in itself is saying something.

:beers8:

[kwame k]

And what's more you were wrong on quite a few things such as influence, relevance but you admitted it later when I corrected you with facts.

So perhaps those who disagreed with me can be wrong? Hmmmm?

No I am not. They influenced some people and may have been relevant to a few people but not in the league of some of the Greatest Bands Ever.

Of course I admit when I'm wrong, always have and always will but as far as the data you have given you don't even come close to getting DD in the top 50 of Greatest Bands Ever, not even close.

Again, it's your opinion.

[Andy Taylor]

No, I don't expect you to get it.

Just like I don't expect most people to see the similarities between lib and conservative, mainly on the battlefield. You can have leftist articles that bash Obama and shows his Bush like war mongering but the cheer leading never ends. There's an article from Financial Times of all places showing how powerful people are in favour of global govt, the NWO which has always been the stuff of the conspiracy theorists. But even evidence brought out in to broad daylight goes unnoticed. Everyone's about surface appearances, their minds are turned off and what's in the culture is adopted by everyone.

[Seshmeister]

New World Order - Loch Ness Monster - Duran Duran are the greatest band ever...

BTW Star Trek is a depiction of a NWO. You could go to a holodeck and kiss Monsieur Le Bon Bon to your hearts content. :)

[FORD]

So Nessie is a Duran Duran fan? Or an NWO conspiracy? :confused12:

[LoungeMachine]

Nessie actually played ALL of the keyboard parts on the first LP.

But due to contractual obligations tied up in the courts, she had to perform under an assumed name.

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

Nessie is an inebriated Scot invention. Personally I think Lockerbie is a more interesting tourist spot than Lochness.

[LoungeMachine]

Nessie is an inebriated Scot invention.




We have one of those.

Don't get him started on organized religions.

:gulp:

[Andy Taylor]

If you have a Scot he or she is guaranteed to be inebriated.

[Panamark]

As Dean Martin used to say, I would hate to
be a teetotaller. Imagine waking up in the morning
and knowing thats the best you are going to feel
all day...

I'm an evolved drinker. 2nd generation Australian born,
going back further, my family is Scottish all the way.....

I never stood a chance !!

Cheers,

Duran Duran, Spadau Ballet, Boy George and Bronski Beat.
Chuck em all in a locked room and let "The Boy" bring out
his shackles and paddles I say !!!

Inspirational stuff

[Andy Taylor]

I'm an evolved drinker. 2nd generation Australian born,
going back further, my family is Scottish all the way.....



My sympathies on both counts.

That's two of my very hated accents. Only Jamaican accents are worse.

[Seshmeister]

This is why I never go to see Duran Duran mime, the girls are so rude. :)

You're also in a tiny minority, it's usually English accents like scouse, manc or midlands that come bottom of the polls.

[Andy Taylor]

aye, I'm shoor yeeur rrright aboot that.

[chefcraig]

I recall reading in some poll or another late last year that the most despised accent on the planet was that of New Zealanders, or Kiwis. Quite frankly, I can see how it would tend to get on people's nerves, as it's downright irritating. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-061.gif

[Andy Taylor]

If it's anything like the Aussie accent I can see their point. I read the Aussie accent comes from the cockney accent. That reeeely says everything doeees'nt eet?

[chefcraig]

If it's anything like the Aussie accent I can see their point. I read the Aussie accent comes from the cockney accent. That reeeely says everything doeees'nt eet?

If you truly wish to cave your head in AT, go over to Youtube and type the words "New Zealand Accent" or "Kiwi" into the search engine. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-scared-smileys-265.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/)

[Andy Taylor]

Let's see... this is horrible no doubt. But if this is a standard NZ accent, it's a little less horrible than Aussie if you ask me. ;)


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[Seshmeister]

I think he's miming.

[chefcraig]

Try this. Quite frankly, I couldn't make it all of the way through without sticking the pointed end of a pencil into my eardrums. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-scared-smileys-716.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Sexy-Smileys/)


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[Andy Taylor]

It wasn't her accent that I minded so much. It was when she started breaking it down to explain how NZ'ers generally spoke. Yeah, that was horrible and a tad more awful than Aussie. I think people should recieve training for their accents.

[Seshmeister]

The South African accent is 100 times worse.

[chefcraig]

...I think people should recieve training for their accents.

Or they should at least wear a sign, warning you in advance.

[Panamark]

If it's anything like the Aussie accent I can see their point. I read the Aussie accent comes from the cockney accent. That reeeely says everything doeees'nt eet?

I have never heard that one before.
(We sound nothing like the cockney's)
Our accent obviously evolved from the large mixture
of immigrants (forced and unforced) that colonized
Australia. I would say it originally sounded like
an English/Irish cross.

Its my experience that Americans (especially the women)
love the Australian accent. There are certain strains of
the English accent that are as annoying as Duran Durans
midi firmware version. (I was going to say music, but
we all know it was predominantly electronically programmed
sequencers)

[Andy Taylor]

Or they should at least wear a sign, warning you in advance.

Hear, hear!

[chefcraig]

Its my experience that Americans (especially the women)
love the Australian accent. There are certain strains of
the English accent that are as annoying as Duran Durans
midi firmware version. (I was going to say music, but
we all know it was predominantly electronically programmed
sequencers)


I'd agree. To American ears, the Aussie accent is actually pleasing in tone, and not nearly as guttural as that of certain aspects of British speech. Then again, being an American and considering how lamely we tend to present ourselves through our warped speech patterns in various parts of the country, I've little room to talk. ;)

[Andy Taylor]

I have never heard that one before.
(We sound nothing like the cockney's)
Our accent obviously evolved from the large mixture
of immigrants (forced and unforced) that colonized
Australia. I would say it originally sounded like
a English/Irish cross.

Its my experience that Americans (especially the women)
love the Australian accent. There are certain strains of
the English accent that are as annoying as Duran Durans
midi firmware version. (I was going to say music, but
we all know it was predominantly electronically programmed
sequencers)


Yeah, the Americans who think that if it's foreign it's exotic.

And no one's going to defend those English accents me thinks. Specially not the cockney or... heck I hate most Brit accents. Even the polished ones, it's exhausting to hear a polished accent.