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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    And No Religion Too...

    From the Los Angeles Times


    Americans becoming less religious, study shows
    Americans are increasingly turning away from many denominations, with the percentage who do not claim a religious identity nearly doubling since 1990, to 15%, according to a national survey.

    By Duke Helfand

    March 10, 2009

    Americans are becoming less religious, increasingly turning away from many denominations that once served as their spiritual homes, according to a major national survey released Monday.

    The percentage of people who do not claim a religious identity has nearly doubled since 1990, growing to 15% of Americans last year, researchers with the American Religious Identification Survey found.

    Mainline Christian denominations, once bulwarks of the religious landscape, have suffered most from the drift.

    Methodists, Lutherans and Episcopalians are among the denominations that have seen their ranks decline.

    Although 86% of Americans identified as Christians in 1990, just 76% said the same last year, the result of onetime adherents rejecting organized religion, the survey con- cluded.

    The broad falloff has occurred as some groups, including Catholics, have seen their overall numbers rise.

    But despite growing by 11 million new members since 1990, Catholics now account for a smaller percentage of the U.S. population than they did then -- 25% compared with 26%.

    The survey's principal investigator, sociologist Barry A. Kosmin of Trinity College in Connecticut, described the overall trend as an erosion of the "religious middle ground."

    He said many people appeared to be rebuffing denominations altogether or favoring more conservative evangelical groups that have boosted their relatively small memberships by offering emotional and personalized religious experiences.

    Kosmin said the changing religious outlook also reflected an increasingly diverse and complex culture that emphasized greater tolerance for diversity while eschewing respect for authority.

    He pointed to one sign of religious detachment -- the fact that 27% of Americans do not expect to have a religious funeral.

    "Even the people in the pews are more rebellious than they used to be," said Kosmin, founding director of the Institute for the Study of Secularism in Society and Culture. "Those you would call 'the religious' don't look like what their grandparents did in terms of their worship style, their ritual behaviors."

    The telephone survey, which included responses from more than 54,000 people in English and Spanish, corroborates findings from other studies of American religious practices.

    One 2008 survey, from the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, found Americans abandoning ties to organized denominations or switching religious affiliations.

    One of the Pew researchers said the comparable findings validated the significant trends shaping the nation's religious practices.

    "American religion is already diverse, and it is likely to become more diverse," said John Green, a senior fellow with the Pew Forum and a political science professor at the University of Akron in Ohio. "That's interesting because we tend to think of religion as a pretty stable thing that changes on a generational scale. But there may be more change going on than we had anticipated."

    duke.helfand@latimes.com
  • Kristy
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 16336

    #2
    By "diverse" I assume John Green means more inclusive and bigoted. If Americans are becoming more R.E.M. and losing their religion I say more power to 'em! Being raised Catholic myself for most of my life there is little about my religion I care to implement anymore. The Church is nothing more than a old boys school where power rules over doctrine, hypocrisy over scripture and lies over faith. There is nothing about Helfand's poorly written article that is surprising; people are turning away from their religion because what's is being taught in most organized church's has little to do with Biblical teachings and instead is being warped by either political or ethical instruction strictly from the pulpits discretion. I never thought attending church would tell me how I should vote or to have distrust for someone based solely on their sexual orientation. When shit like that becomes the article of faith it's time to get the fuck out.

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    • Seshmeister
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Oct 2003
      • 35157

      #3
      It's interesting that 15% are not religious.

      Blacks make up only 13.4% of the population and there is a black president yet it is unthinkable that you could have a non superstitious person being elected.

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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35157

        #4
        Double post

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        • kwame k
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Feb 2008
          • 11302

          #5
          Boy, tough subject to even broach. My personal belief, in my adult life, has been organized religion is useless for me. It works for some people, so hey, "Whatever get you through the night", if I may coin a phrase.

          Historically, organized religions have committed some of the most barbaric acts against humanity than any other entity. Lately, not so much. Depends on the region you're in I suppose.

          The fundamental religious right has had a huge influence over politics for years and was the boost Dubya needed to steal his elections.

          So much hypocrisy done in the name of the Lord! We seem to get at least three or four religious leaders who have "fallen" each year. Corruption and immoral behavior that make the average Joe look like Saint Teressa.

          The problem, as I see it is...... most religion haven't evolved with the modern times. Old dogmas and traditions don't seem to fit into the modern mainstream or speak to the younger generations. Still if 76% of American's still say they are Christians that's a huge block of people.

          If religions are to truly evolve and adapt with the modern times they need to address the modern issues. Sadly, only a small percentage of churches do. Churches who base their standards on intolerance and ostracizing certain elements of the population, while it is their right to do so, also have to face the fact that they will lose members.

          All in all.......hey, believe what you want to believe and allow me the same courtesy.


          And as always.......Lord save me from your followers!
          Originally posted by vandeleur
          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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          • Andy Taylor
            Banned
            • Jan 2009
            • 918

            #6
            Certainly a bunch of these people might have left religion but might've found spirituality. So as far as the 'progressives' are concerned even some of these people in the poll believe in the man in the sky.

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            • mwsully
              Groupie
              • May 2004
              • 77

              #7
              Originally posted by kwame k
              Historically, organized religions have committed some of the most barbaric acts against humanity than any other entity. Lately, not so much. Depends on the region you're in I suppose.
              I still believe religious groups still perform barbaric acts, just not so bold and/or public. Of course, they're more dangerous than ever, because of the facades they create to manipulate the masses, to say the least. I can't imagine how much annual tithings they have received from people who really couldn't afford it.

              In addition, I think the poll is interesting in that it reports that more people are turning towards more personal and emotional religious groups. Seems natural because leaders of the larger denominations as a whole have failed to make personal connections with attendees, not to mention becoming so exclusive over the years. It's sickening how they say they love all, but turn or shy away from those who truly are in need.

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              • kwame k
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Feb 2008
                • 11302

                #8
                If you read Jesus' teachings, from what I can gather, it's more of an inward approach than a reliance on religion.

                I think that's where the Church tried to co-op it. Take away the spiritual path to enlightenment from the individual and make it more dependent on the Church.

                Of course there's a good argument that Jesus was just a Jew trying to reform that religion form inside and not trying to start a new religion.
                Originally posted by vandeleur
                E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35157

                  #9
                  Originally posted by kwame k
                  Corruption and immoral behavior that make the average Joe look like Saint Teressa.
                  I have to take issue with that.

                  Mother Teressa(although I hear they are fast tracking her to sainthood saying she did some 'magic spells') was a monster and it would be an insult to associate the average Joe with her.

                  It just shows the spectacular power and skill of these religions that an evil bitch like her can end up with a name synonymous with good. They didn't win all those battles against other superstitions back in the day without being pretty shit hot at spin and bullshit...

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                  • WARF
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 15318

                    #10
                    Prove to me sesh, that god doesn't exist!

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35157

                      #11
                      How can you prove something that cannot be seen or detected and doesn't interact with us exists or doesn't exist?

                      I can explain how it is highly highly unlikely that any of the major religions are true but noone can ever prove there is no god in the same way they can't prove that that there aren't invisible fairies living at the bottom of your garden.

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                      • kwame k
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 11302

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        I have to take issue with that.

                        Mother Teressa(although I hear they are fast tracking her to sainthood saying she did some 'magic spells') was a monster and it would be an insult to associate the average Joe with her.

                        It just shows the spectacular power and skill of these religions that an evil bitch like her can end up with a name synonymous with good. They didn't win all those battles against other superstitions back in the day without being pretty shit hot at spin and bullshit...

                        Easy Sesh, it was just an analogy.
                        Originally posted by vandeleur
                        E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35157

                          #13
                          I know I know.

                          I'm just going to keep fighting a lost cause battle on her, can't help it....

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                          • WARF
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 15318

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Seshmeister
                            How can you prove something that cannot be seen or detected and doesn't interact with us exists or doesn't exist?

                            I can explain how it is highly highly unlikely that any of the major religions are true but noone can ever prove there is no god in the same way they can't prove that that there aren't invisible fairies living at the bottom of your garden.
                            I think it goes around the CIRCLE JERK.
                            The christians can't prove he did exist or was god...
                            And the atheists can't prove that he didnt lol...
                            But I would say it's a safer bet to place your bet that Jesus Christ was god in the human flesh.... then to say he wasn't!
                            The simple fact is this...
                            The death rate as we know of... is 100%
                            So what would you rather do....
                            Believe and go to heaven...
                            or not and possibly face hell???
                            I say put your money on god... you're gonna be 6 feet under anyways!!

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                            • Combat Ready
                              Foot Soldier
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 572

                              #15
                              Originally posted by WARF
                              Prove to me sesh, that god doesn't exist!
                              Would God have created the round rocker? There's your proof....

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