Cali to Legalize Pot?

[Nickdfresh]

Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?
By ALISON STATEMAN / LOS ANGELES Alison Stateman / Los Angeles 27 mins ago

Could marijuana be the answer to the economic misery facing California? Democratic State Assembly member Tom Ammiano thinks so. Ammiano introduced legislation last month that would legalize pot and allow the state to regulate and tax its sale - a move that could mean billions for the cash-strapped state. Pot is, after all, California's biggest cash crop, responsible for $14 billion in annual sales, dwarfing the state's second largest agricultural commodity - milk and cream - which brings in $7.3 billion annually, according to the most recent USDA statistics. The state's tax collectors estimate the bill would bring in about $1.3 billion in much-needed revenue a year, offsetting some of the billions in service cuts and spending reductions outlined in the recently approved state budget.

"The state of California is in a very, very precipitous economic plight. It's in the toilet," says Ammiano. "It looks very, very bleak, with layoffs and foreclosures and schools closing or trying to operate four days a week. We have one of the highest rates of unemployment we've ever had. With any revenue ideas people say you have to think outside of the box, you have to be creative, and I feel that the issue of the decriminalization, regulation and taxation of marijuana fits that bill. It's not new, the idea has been around, and the political will may in fact be there to make something happen." (See pictures of stoner cinema.)

Ammiano may be right. A few days after he introduced the bill, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced that states should be able to make their own rules on medical marijuana and that federal raids on pot dispensaries in California would cease. The move signaled a softening of the hard-line approach previous administrations have had to medicinal pot use. The nomination of Gil Kerlikowske as the head of the Office of National Drug Control Policy may also signal a softer federal line on marijuana. If he is confirmed as the so-called Drug Czar, Kerlikowske will bring with him experience as police chief of Seattle, where he made it clear that going after people for posessing marijuana was not a priority of his force. (See a story about the grass-roots marijuana war in California.)

California was one of the first states in the nation to legalize medical marijuana in 1996. Currently, $200 million in medical marijuana sales are subject to sales tax. If passed, the Marijuana Control, Regulation and Education Act (AB 390) would give California control of pot in a manner similar to alcohol, while prohibiting its purchase to citizens under age 21. (The bill has been referred to the California State Assembly's Public Safety and Health Committees; Ammiano says it could take up to a year before it comes to a vote for passage.) State revenues would be derived from a $50 per ounce levy on retail sales of marijuana and sales taxes. By adopting the law, California could become a model for other states. As Ammiano put it: "How California goes, the country goes."

Despite the projected and much-needed revenue, opponents say legalizing pot will only add to social woes. "The last thing we need is yet another mind-altering substance to be legalized," says John Lovell, lobbyist for the California Peace Officers' Association. "We have enough problems with alcohol and abuse of pharmaceutical products: do we really need to add yet another mind-altering substance to the array?" Lovell says the easy availability of the drug will lead to a surge in its use, much like what happened when alcohol was allowed to be sold in venues other than liquor stores in some states.

Joel W. Hay, professor of Pharmaceutical Economics at USC, also foresees harm if the bill passes. "Marijuana is a drug that clouds people's judgment. It affects their ability to concentrate and react and it certainly has impacts on third parties," says Hay, who has written on the societal costs of drug abuse. "It's one more drug that will add to the toll on society. All we have to do is look at the two legalized drugs, tobacco and alcohol, and look at the carnage that they've caused. [Marijuana] is a dangerous drug and it causes bad outcomes for both the people who use it and for the people who are in their way at work or other activities." He adds: "There are probably some responsible people who can handle marijuana but there are lots of people who can't, and it has an enormous negative impact on them, their family and loved ones." (See pictures of Mexico's drug wars.)

In response, retired Orange County Superior Court Judge James Gray, a longtime proponent of legalization, estimates that legalizing pot and thus ceasing to arrest, prosecute and imprison non-violent offenders could save the state an additional $1 billion a year. "We couldn't make this drug any more available if we tried," he says. "Not only do we have those problems, along with glamorizing it by making it illegal, but we also have the crime and corruption that go along with it." He adds, "Unfortunately, every society in the history of mankind has had some form of mind-altering, sometimes addictive substances to use, to misuse, abuse or get addicted to. Get used to it. They're here to stay. So, let's try to reduce those harms and right now we couldn't do it worse if we tried."

Time (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1884956,00.html?xid=rss-fullnation-yahoo)

[FORD]

The potential tax revenue from Humboldt county alone could probably solve their problems. From what I hear, local law enforcement doesn't even bother harassing the growers, unless they're committing other crimes, because without the ganja, their towns would die.

[Combat Ready]

If they legalize and tax it, don't you then think they would strictly regulate sale....Much like alcohol? How would that work for the small time guy growing a dozen plants in the backyard?

No prob with the legalizing part, no thanks to the tax and regulation stuff.

To Fords point....It's damn near legal in Humboldt anyway. The whole thing may sound good but it's a slippery slope when we're talking taxes.

[FORD]

If they legalize and tax it, don't you then think they would strictly regulate sale....Much like alcohol? How would that work for the small time guy growing a dozen plants in the backyard?

How many great microbreweries exist on the West Coast? Alcohol regulation doesn't interfere with that. If marijuana was regulated in a similar way, maybe there would be "microgroweries"?

The bigger problem would be keeping agripigs like Monsanto or ADM from trying to muscle out the small family pot farmers like they do every other crop. Or Phillip Morris, who would no doubt love an excuse to leave the tobacco business behind, if they could replace it with something as profitable.

I haven't smoked dope in years, but I wouldn't want genetically modified Monsanto Frankenweed, or radioactive tainted Phillip Morris weed on the market.

point is though that the hemp plant - in all its forms - is just a tragically underused resource in this country, and it's mostly because of corporate greed from industries afraid of the competition. :(

[Combat Ready]

How many great microbreweries exist on the West Coast? Alcohol regulation doesn't interfere with that. If marijuana was regulated in a similar way, maybe there would be "microgroweries"?

The bigger problem would be keeping agripigs like Monsanto or ADM from trying to muscle out the small family pot farmers like they do every other crop. Or Phillip Morris, who would no doubt love an excuse to leave the tobacco business behind, if they could replace it with something as profitable.

I haven't smoked dope in years, but I wouldn't want genetically modified Monsanto Frankenweed, or radioactive tainted Phillip Morris weed on the market.

point is though that the hemp plant - in all its forms - is just a tragically underused resource in this country, and it's mostly because of corporate greed from industries afraid of the competition. :(

"microgroweries"?......Monsanto Frankenweed. :lol: You're killing me...Too funny.

I agree with your point regarding the corporate greed here. I just think by taxing, we'll introduce corporate and government greed together. I could be wrong though...No doubt that it should be legal.

[Combat Ready]

I can see the commercial now.

Do you suffer from restless leg syndrome?






Worry no more....Monsanto Frankenweed is here.

[FORD]

Monsanto Frankenweed would probably give you "restless leg syndrome" (whatever the fuck that is)

[Nickdfresh]

Monsanto Frankenweed would probably give you "restless leg syndrome" (whatever the fuck that is)


It will definitely give you "restless munchies" syndrome...:)

[FORD]

It will definitely give you "restless munchies" syndrome...:)

Even if regular weed didn't, they would probably make sure theirs did. Gotta sell more GMO corn-laden junk food, ya know.

[GAR]

The potential tax revenue from Humboldt county alone could probably solve their problems.

The problems of current would have a fiscal solution, but the further problems stemming from legalization would cause far more social obligations upon the state from the incarceration, lower work productivity, and highway accidents that would far outweigh any benefit.

Pot will never be legalized and it mustn't.

[GAR]

Gotta sell more GMO corn-laden junk food, ya know.

Nobody ever crashed a car high on tortillas or chips that I know of..

[Seshmeister]

Pot will never be legalized and it mustn't.

That statement should be enough for a ban at a Dave Lee Roth site... :)

[bastardson]

Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?
By ALISON STATEMAN / LOS ANGELES Alison Stateman / Los Angeles 27 mins ago

Could marijuana be the answer to the economic misery facing California? Democratic State Assembly member Tom Ammiano thinks so. Ammiano introduced legislation last month that would legalize pot and allow the state to regulate and tax its sale - a move that could mean billions for the cash-strapped state. Pot is, after all, California's biggest cash crop, responsible for $14 billion in annual sales, dwarfing the state's second largest agricultural commodity - milk and cream - which brings in $7.3 billion annually, according to the most recent USDA statistics. The state's tax collectors estimate the bill would bring in about $1.3 billion in much-needed revenue a year, offsetting some of the billions in service cuts and spending reductions outlined in the recently approved state budget.

"The state of California is in a very, very precipitous economic plight. It's in the toilet," says Ammiano. "It looks very, very bleak, with layoffs and foreclosures and schools closing or trying to operate four days a week. We have one of the highest rates of unemployment we've ever had. With any revenue ideas people say you have to think outside of the box, you have to be creative, and I feel that the issue of the decriminalization, regulation and taxation of marijuana fits that bill. It's not new, the idea has been around, and the political will may in fact be there to make something happen." (See pictures of stoner cinema.)

Ammiano may be right. A few days after he introduced the bill, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced that states should be able to make their own rules on medical marijuana and that federal raids on pot dispensaries in California would cease. The move signaled a softening of the hard-line approach previous administrations have had to medicinal pot use. The nomination of Gil Kerlikowske as the head of the Office of National Drug Control Policy may also signal a softer federal line on marijuana. If he is confirmed as the so-called Drug Czar, Kerlikowske will bring with him experience as police chief of Seattle, where he made it clear that going after people for posessing marijuana was not a priority of his force. (See a story about the grass-roots marijuana war in California.)

California was one of the first states in the nation to legalize medical marijuana in 1996. Currently, $200 million in medical marijuana sales are subject to sales tax. If passed, the Marijuana Control, Regulation and Education Act (AB 390) would give California control of pot in a manner similar to alcohol, while prohibiting its purchase to citizens under age 21. (The bill has been referred to the California State Assembly's Public Safety and Health Committees; Ammiano says it could take up to a year before it comes to a vote for passage.) State revenues would be derived from a $50 per ounce levy on retail sales of marijuana and sales taxes. By adopting the law, California could become a model for other states. As Ammiano put it: "How California goes, the country goes."

Despite the projected and much-needed revenue, opponents say legalizing pot will only add to social woes. "The last thing we need is yet another mind-altering substance to be legalized," says John Lovell, lobbyist for the California Peace Officers' Association. "We have enough problems with alcohol and abuse of pharmaceutical products: do we really need to add yet another mind-altering substance to the array?" Lovell says the easy availability of the drug will lead to a surge in its use, much like what happened when alcohol was allowed to be sold in venues other than liquor stores in some states.

Joel W. Hay, professor of Pharmaceutical Economics at USC, also foresees harm if the bill passes. "Marijuana is a drug that clouds people's judgment. It affects their ability to concentrate and react and it certainly has impacts on third parties," says Hay, who has written on the societal costs of drug abuse. "It's one more drug that will add to the toll on society. All we have to do is look at the two legalized drugs, tobacco and alcohol, and look at the carnage that they've caused. [Marijuana] is a dangerous drug and it causes bad outcomes for both the people who use it and for the people who are in their way at work or other activities." He adds: "There are probably some responsible people who can handle marijuana but there are lots of people who can't, and it has an enormous negative impact on them, their family and loved ones." (See pictures of Mexico's drug wars.)

In response, retired Orange County Superior Court Judge James Gray, a longtime proponent of legalization, estimates that legalizing pot and thus ceasing to arrest, prosecute and imprison non-violent offenders could save the state an additional $1 billion a year. "We couldn't make this drug any more available if we tried," he says. "Not only do we have those problems, along with glamorizing it by making it illegal, but we also have the crime and corruption that go along with it." He adds, "Unfortunately, every society in the history of mankind has had some form of mind-altering, sometimes addictive substances to use, to misuse, abuse or get addicted to. Get used to it. They're here to stay. So, let's try to reduce those harms and right now we couldn't do it worse if we tried."

Time (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1884956,00.html?xid=rss-fullnation-yahoo)
The $50 an ounce tax is a pipe dream.
Legalization would surely cut the price of pot way down.
People would just grow their own.
How would they rationalize legal to have but illegal to grow?
If it had to be packaged a certain way with a tax stamp
people would reuse the packaging.

[GAR]

That statement should be enough for a ban at a Dave Lee Roth site... :)

- the one that's down you mean?

[Seshmeister]

The $50 an ounce tax is a pipe dream.
Legalization would surely cut the price of pot way down.
People would just grow their own.
How would they rationalize legal to have but illegal to grow?
If it had to be packaged a certain way with a tax stamp
people would reuse the packaging.

Not that many people brew their own beer or make their own wine...

[GAR]

If it had to be packaged a certain way with a tax stamp
people would reuse the packaging.

Requiring virtually no equipment for processing plant into drug, unreported taxes would yield a defecit because the California State legislators would do like they did all this decade by spending the "windfall" and then cry defecit when it doesn't show up in revenue.

They did this the full past 5 years. They said "ah we have surplus from all the house flipping" and projected huge surpluses so they could then go spend it off.

Then when it didn't show up, it was a headscratcher to all. After all, they projected a windfall didn't they? So where was the money, nobody knew and still doesn't know so they rob the dough from all the other programs such as Federal Highway funds which they've snaked 6 billion dollars the last 7 years to throw into the General fund, they stole from the Motor Vehicle and Fuel Use taxes for the General which all 3 funds were supposed to support extra freeway lanes and highway maintenance yet this year nothing's been dones besides the 405 expansion lane which we've been crying over 20 years for and it's still not finished.

California Democratic-controlled legislature is a has-been continual failure who achieve nothing, harbor illegal aliens, spend us to defecit and cannot be trusted to do anything they say they're gonna do.

A legalization of marijuana based on "projected" revenues unseen and untested on an unsafe public hazard is a ridiculous notion only propagated by the foolish, the high or the ignorant.

[Panamark]

"Conditional" legalization just allows the government to be the dealers
instead of the crims...

[GAR]

Yeah, if you're gonna legalize something, let's grow coca!

It's pretty hard to screw up growing coca, the strength doesn't range all over the place and if it was legal, they'd use ether in the reduction to cocaine like they did in the old days, instead of fuckin' diesel fuel, gasoline, acetone, MEK, and other petroleum-based products like they do now.

[Jesus Christ]

Man made pills, My Dad made pot.
Dad is perfect, man is not.

Whom do ye trust?

[GAR]

Not the California legislature!

[Angel]

That statement should be enough for a ban at a Dave Lee Roth site... :)

Damn - all out of Thanks. Thanks, Sesh - great post!

[Seshmeister]

Man made pills, My Dad made pot.
Dad is perfect, man is not.

Whom do ye trust?

What does that even mean?

Why don't you go stick your head in a smallpox ridden shark... :)

[bastardson]

Not that many people brew their own beer or make their own wine...

That requires work.
Ever grow pot?
A few seeds in a house plant and you got pot plants.
A couple plants with a little care can yield all you
need.
I've gotten six ounces of killer bud from one small plant.
A full size plant could yield pounds of bud.
Other than water all I used was super bloom.
One box lasts for years.

[Guitar Shark]

That requires work.
Ever grow pot?
A few seeds in a house plant and you got pot plants.
A couple plants with a little care can yield all you
need.
I've gotten six ounces of killer bud from one small plant.
A full size plant could yield pounds of bud.
Other than water all I used was super bloom.
One box lasts for years.

For your sake, I certainly hope the authorities in San Jose are not reading this.

[Seshmeister]

That requires work.
Ever grow pot?
A few seeds in a house plant and you got pot plants.
A couple plants with a little care can yield all you
need.
I've gotten six ounces of killer bud from one small plant.
A full size plant could yield pounds of bud.
Other than water all I used was super bloom.
One box lasts for years.

I was forgetting your climate there. :)

[bastardson]

For your sake, I certainly hope the authorities in San Jose are not reading this.
Or "Bakersfield ".:biggrin:

[FORD]

Nobody ever crashed a car high on tortillas or chips that I know of..

You wouldn't know of it, because it's not likely they would test for it. But when you consider the reality that bleached flour and high fructose corn syrup are so refined that they are absorbed immediately into the bloodstream, it is entirely medically possible for someone to pass out behind the wheel and crash their car from too many processed carbs in their system.

[ODShowtime]

When I read this just now in yahoo I got so excited that I was going to post it here, but Nicky is still ahead of the game.

One of the reasons I was so pissed when gw was re-elected was that I knew it would be at least another 5 years before there could be any chance at pot freedom. I cannot believe the wall could finally be cracking. I would seriously consider moving to a state like CA if I didn't have to worry about getting busted all the time. And be able to obtain elite quality herb consistently at a reasonable price. Too bad that state is all jacked up

[Coyote]

Monsanto Frankenweed would probably give you "restless leg syndrome" (whatever the fuck that is)

After a few generations of Frankenweed, it will revert back to its natural form.

[Redballjets88]

How many great microbreweries exist on the West Coast? Alcohol regulation doesn't interfere with that. If marijuana was regulated in a similar way, maybe there would be "microgroweries"?

The bigger problem would be keeping agripigs like Monsanto or ADM from trying to muscle out the small family pot farmers like they do every other crop. Or Phillip Morris, who would no doubt love an excuse to leave the tobacco business behind, if they could replace it with something as profitable.

I haven't smoked dope in years, but I wouldn't want genetically modified Monsanto Frankenweed, or radioactive tainted Phillip Morris weed on the market.

point is though that the hemp plant - in all its forms - is just a tragically underused resource in this country, and it's mostly because of corporate greed from industries afraid of the competition. :(

I agree totally, people will grow, but the companies that jump on this will rule the roost.

It's a matter of patience when growing. Most people would be more willing to go out and buy a pack of Marlboro Joints than wait for a plant to grow.

I bet a lot a pot heads will start to grow a plant, then smoke out and forget about growing. Stoners are known to be absent minded.

The only thing that irks me about this is that; all over the country cigarette bans are happening non stop, smokers are getting their asses kicked (figuratively speaking) everywhere they go, but pot is becoming legalized? What the fuck is wrong with people. Decide what you want to do with the smokable products already. (even though pot will probably be banned everywhere except in private residence)

[FORD]

Cigarettes kill millions every year, including second hand smoke. I don't know anybody yet who died from smoking pot. There's the difference.

[kwame k]

Let's see what the Governor has to say on this matter.......

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[Seshmeister]

Cigarettes kill millions every year, including second hand smoke. I don't know anybody yet who died from smoking pot. There's the difference.

Some people must have died from smoking pot.

Each joint is the equivalent of 5 cigarettes in terms of tar and so on.

[Redballjets88]

Cigarettes kill millions every year, including second hand smoke. I don't know anybody yet who died from smoking pot. There's the difference.

so are you saying that the inhalation of pot smoke does no damage to the lungs?

Plus people don't smoke 15-20 joints a day like they do cigarettes.

[Redballjets88]

Let's see what the Governor has to say on this matter.......

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fuck yeah Ahhhhnold.

But for some reason I was more interested in seeing Lou Forigno (sp?) than arnold smoking out. Gotta love the Hulk

[Panamark]

Checkout the vaporisers (or maybe you guys spell it vaporizers)
Google it... Get Stoned on non carcogenic vapor.... (Not smoke)

[FORD]

so are you saying that the inhalation of pot smoke does no damage to the lungs?

Plus people don't smoke 15-20 joints a day like they do cigarettes.

Common sense tells you that sticking anything that is on fire in your face probably has its drawbacks. Half the problem with cigarettes may not be the burning tobacco itself as much as it is the chemicals the Phillip Morris farmers spray all over the shit. Or the filters, for that matter? what are those made out of anyway? I heard menthols actually contained ground glass, and that they were designed to kill you faster, which is why they're so heavily marketed to the African American community.

Stoners don't need filters, they can use bongs. Or they can bake brownies or get one of the new vaporizer toys, if they want to avoid smoking altogether.

[kwame k]

I still say look at Prohibition and you'll see legislating morality doesn't work. I grew pot for years, 1,000 watt metal halide for the vegetative state and a sodium bulb for budding. Cut back the hours in 1 hour increments till you get under 12 hours of on time and you'll produce budding. I used a soil with bat guano, used simple Miracle Grow and change the 18-18-21 to a higher number of nitro if the leaves are turning yellow. Got bugs, mix Ivory soap and water solution and spray the leaves. It's natural and will kill the bugs without harmful pesticides.

I dealt with cloning and used a cross between blue and red spectrum for my florescent bulbs in the first few weeks until the clones took root.

Not that hard to grow pot, after all it's a weed.

So taxing it may work for the average Joe but really you can put seeds out in your yard and produce plants.

[FORD]

fuck yeah Ahhhhnold.

But for some reason I was more interested in seeing Lou Forigno (sp?) than arnold smoking out. Gotta love the Hulk

If Lou Ferrigno had smoked more pot, he wouldn't have turned into The Hulk.

Angry? Fuck you Mr McGee, I don't get angry, I get high! http://www.teampointless.com/smilies/bong.gif

[Blaze]

I don't grow my own tomatoes, why would I grow my own weed?

[kwame k]

I don't grow my own tomatoes, why would I grow my own weed?


I don't know why, why?:umm:

[Seshmeister]

I still say look at Prohibition and you'll see legislating morality doesn't work. I grew pot for years, 1,000 watt metal halide for the vegetative state and a sodium bulb for budding. Cut back the hours in 1 hour increments till you get under 12 hours of on time and you'll produce budding. I used a soil with bat guano, used simple Miracle Grow and change the 18-18-21 to a higher number of nitro if the leaves are turning yellow. Got bugs, mix Ivory soap and water solution and spray the leaves. It's natural and will kill the bugs without harmful pesticides.

I dealt with cloning and used a cross between blue and red spectrum for my florescent bulbs in the first few weeks until the clones took root.

Not that hard to grow pot, after all it's a weed.

So taxing it may work for the average Joe but really you can put seeds out in your yard and produce plants.

I know Denis Leary is widely discredited these days for ripping off Hicks but I always went with his line about giving up smoking dope because 'he got fed up building shit'.

I don't know what it is about the stuff but the increasingly bizarre ways we ended up doing it with pressurized bongs and potatoes and all sorts of shit I can only wonder about the crazy lengths that growers go to.

And I was always very much low user.

[Redballjets88]

I still say look at Prohibition and you'll see legislating morality doesn't work. I grew pot for years, 1,000 watt metal halide for the vegetative state and a sodium bulb for budding. Cut back the hours in 1 hour increments till you get under 12 hours of on time and you'll produce budding. I used a soil with bat guano, used simple Miracle Grow and change the 18-18-21 to a higher number of nitro if the leaves are turning yellow. Got bugs, mix Ivory soap and water solution and spray the leaves. It's natural and will kill the bugs without harmful pesticides.

I dealt with cloning and used a cross between blue and red spectrum for my florescent bulbs in the first few weeks until the clones took root.

Not that hard to grow pot, after all it's a weed.

So taxing it may work for the average Joe but really you can put seeds out in your yard and produce plants.

Wow, nice greenthumb man. Would growing pot still qualify as being a greenthumb though? or is it a greenerthumb or what?

[Redballjets88]

I know Denis Leary is widely discredited these days for ripping off Hicks but I always went with his line about giving up smoking dope because 'he got fed up building shit'.

I don't know what it is about the stuff but the increasingly bizarre ways we ended up doing it with pressurized bongs and potatoes and all sorts of shit I can only wonder about the crazy lengths that growers go to.

And I was always very much low user.

building shit is half the fun. Give me a bottle of water, a pen, foil and some tape and I'll have a water bong in no time, or a pipe. The only downside of the home-made stuff is that aluminum foil is no good for smoking, it's slightly dangerous.

[kwame k]

I know Denis Leary is widely discredited these days for ripping off Hicks but I always went with his line about giving up smoking dope because 'he got fed up building shit'.

I don't know what it is about the stuff but the increasingly bizarre ways we ended up doing it with pressurized bongs and potatoes and all sorts of shit I can only wonder about the crazy lengths that growers go to.

And I was always very much low user.

The last time I smoked was on my birthday in Jan........I don't smoke that much either, my point was it's not that hard to grow and being easy to grow it may not generated the revenue the government needs. Oregon is going through the same process right now. Interesting time, to see what transpires.

[hideyoursheep]

Not that many people brew their own beer or make their own wine...
Your Appalachian offspring do it all the time, they just call it moonshine.

[hideyoursheep]

The problems of current would have a fiscal solution, but the further problems stemming from legalization would cause far more social obligations upon the state from the incarceration, lower work productivity, and highway accidents that would far outweigh any benefit.

Pot will never be legalized and it mustn't.

Remember that the next time you crack the cap on that bottle of stawberry-kiwi MD 20/20.

Einstein.
:rolleyes:

[Blaze]

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[vh rides again]

Welcome | Drug War Facts (http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/)


Annual Causes of Death in the United States
Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0

i dont believe the number of zero for marijuana, it cannot be good for your lungs. i just dont think any research has been done on the effects of pot smoke.

theres very little info on marijuanas effects out there.

[FORD]

Welcome | Drug War Facts (http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/)


Annual Causes of Death in the United States
Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0

i dont believe the number of zero for marijuana, it cannot be good for your lungs. i just dont think any research has been done on the effects of pot smoke.

theres very little info on marijuanas effects out there.

Seems to be some overlapping in those numbers. If somebody died from an "Incident involving firearms", wouldn't it likely be either a homicide or a suicide? Sure there's the occasional drunken hunting accident, where some idiot confuses a human being in camoflauge pants and a bright orange vest for a deer, but those can't be more than one or two a year. So that would make them Alcohol related as well.

I'd also wager that a lot of the suicides and homicides would fall under "adverse reactions to Prescription drugs".

[alicebowie]

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Annual Causes of Death in the United States
Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0

i dont believe the number of zero for marijuana, it cannot be good for your lungs. i just dont think any research has been done on the effects of pot smoke.

theres very little info on marijuanas effects out there.
Inhaling smoke of any kind can't be good for you.If you've ever tried to
keep the smell down by exhaling into a towel you've seen the residue
that didn't stick to your lungs.Imagine how much did.Look at a bong
and the shit that cakes up in it.Also I'm sure some stoned moron has
pushed his luck doing something stupid and ended up dead.As far as
an overdose , I doubt that's possible.You'd fall asleep first.I've seen
dudes choke from eating too fast when they get the munchies.None
of them died.Unless you're mentally unstable I don't think a pot buzz
would cause you to want to hurt someone or yourself.As far as research
goes it would depend on the agenda of the funder.If they are against
pot the research will focus on proving it's bad.Same goes for those who
want it legalized.Neither one would be unbiased.

[vh rides again]

Seems to be some overlapping in those numbers. If somebody died from an "Incident involving firearms", wouldn't it likely be either a homicide or a suicide? Sure there's the occasional drunken hunting accident, where some idiot confuses a human being in camoflauge pants and a bright orange vest for a deer, but those can't be more than one or two a year. So that would make them Alcohol related as well.

I'd also wager that a lot of the suicides and homicides would fall under "adverse reactions to Prescription drugs".
probably went by the death certificate.

[Seshmeister]

I don't think you would get "Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity" on a death certificate.

[Angel]

I don't think you would get "Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity" on a death certificate.

Mind you, you could have some pot deaths in there... i.e. too many years of eating munchies and sitting on the couch.

I've smoked since I was 12. Wish I'd never started. Whoever says pot isn't addictive, come see me when I've gone two days without a toke - can't sleep, can't shit, and bitchier than one could ever believe.

I tried quitting once, didn't fucking sleep for 3 months. When I found myself taking sleeping pills, I decided this is fucked, and went back to smoking. Like I say, I wish I'd never started.

My ex, who some of you may remember has Parkinson's Disease, couldn't function without it.

[Angel]

building shit is half the fun. Give me a bottle of water, a pen, foil and some tape and I'll have a water bong in no time, or a pipe. The only downside of the home-made stuff is that aluminum foil is no good for smoking, it's slightly dangerous.

You grow out that....