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lucky wilbury
05-23-2004, 10:53 PM
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lidoc0524,0,7188397.story

Author booed for anti-Bush remarks

BY BART JONES
STAFF WRITER

May 23, 2004, 9:48 PM EDT


E.L. Doctorow, one of the most celebrated writers in America, was nearly booed off the stage at Hofstra University Sunday when he gave a commencement address lambasting President George W. Bush and effectively calling him a liar.

Booing that came mainly from the crowd in the stands became so intense that Doctorow stopped speaking at one point, showing no emotion as he stood silently and listened to the jeers. Hofstra President Stuart Rabinowitz intervened, and called on the audience to allow him to finish. He did, although some booing persisted.

Doctorow, who spent virtually all of his 20-minute address in Hempstead criticizing Bush, told the crowd that like himself the president is a storyteller. But "sadly they are not good stories this president tells," he said. "They are not good stories because they are not true." That line provoked the first boos, along with scattered cheers.

"One story he told was that the country of Iraq had nuclear and biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction and was intending shortly to use them on us," he said. "That was an exciting story all right, it was designed to send shivers up our spines. But it was not true.

"Another story was that the Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, was in league with the terrorists of al-Qaida," he said. "And that turned out to be not true. But anyway we went off to war on the basis of these stories."

Those lines provoked an outburst of boos so loud the "Ragtime" author stopped the speech. Rabinowitz approached the podium and called for calm. "We value open discussion and debate," he said. "For the sake of your graduates, please let him finish."

Some students and most of the faculty responded with a standing ovation, and Doctorow resumed speaking. He attacked Bush for giving the rich tax breaks, doing "a very poor job of combating terrorism" and allowing the government to subpoena libraries "to see what books you've been taking out."

Many parents and relatives of the more than 1,300 undergraduates were livid over the address, saying afterward that a college graduation was not the place for a political speech. "If this would have happened in Florida, we would have taken him out" of the stadium, said Frank Mallafre, who traveled from Miami for his granddaughter's graduation.

Bill Schmidt, 51, of North Bellmore, shared the outrage. "To ruin my daughter's graduation with politics is pathetic," the retired New York Police Department captain said. "I think the president is doing the best he can" in the war against terrorism.

Many students also called Doctorow's speech inappropriate. Peter Hulse, 24, of Manchester, England, said, "He's a bit like Michael Moore," the documentary director who provoked booing at last year's Oscars' ceremony by criticizing the war in Iraq.

But some defended Doctorow's speech. "I think he's entitled to his opinion and he's as American as anyone else," said a Hempstead resident who identified himself only as Frank and whose daughter was graduating.

One Hofstra official said Sunday that while Doctorow had the right to say what he did, he violated the unwritten code that college commencement speeches should inspire and unite a student body. Provost Dr. Herman Berliner said he has been to numerous graduation ceremonies during the past 30 years and "I cannot remember a commencement speech that was as divisive as this commencement speech was." The university did not know the content of the address. It is not Hofstra's policy to screen commencement speeches, officials said.

Berliner said it was relatively common during the Vietnam War, but "extraordinarily uncommon" in recent times for a speaker to have to stop speaking.

Still, it has happened recently. Last year, New York Times reporter Chris Hedges was booed off the stage when he tried to deliver an antiwar speech at Rockford College in Illinois.

Some Hofstra professors said Doctorow was on target in discussing the war. "I thought this was a totally appropriate place to talk about politics because that's the world our students are entering," said sociology professor Cynthia Bogard. "I only wish their parents had provided them a better role model."

John Ashcroft
05-25-2004, 12:59 PM
You know, I've been thinking about this episode since yesterday when it first appeared. This incident solidifies the point that I've been trying to make since early in the Dem Primaries. And that is, that the dems are going to lose big in November.

Let's think about this. The media would have you believe that ranting like that of these commencement speakers is the "voice of the common American". They dig up the occasional soldier or 9/11 survivor that hate's Bush and present them as the typical "voice of the street" (or some bullshit like that).

And what do we get? We get these clowns booed off stage when giving such tirades in front of real, no-shit, "Common Americans" Let's think of who comprises the audience here... It's Mothers and Fathers of the graduates. They're working people, who only show up to a campus for events like these. The rest of the time they're making America productive. On the flip side, you've got college faculty who live everyday in the college environment. They hem and haugh, ponder and pontificate, all day long. Accomplishing nothing to better America or to make America more productive. Their commonality also lies with a rabid anti-capitalist, anti-American, and anti-Republican/Conservative agenda. They smear all opposing viewpoints with abandon. They provide standing ovations to tirades like the above mentioned commencement speakers while the "real, working-American" stands shocked and disgusted, moved to the point of heckling (loudly).

And yet the press would have you believe that the faculty on any given university is more indicative of American ideology than the crowd doing the booing here. And what does the crowd number??? 100 to 1 in ratio to faculty? Maybe 500 to 1.

Yep, in the circles that the talking heads exist, EVERYBODY hate's George Bush! Everybody thinks America is bad! Everybody thinks that Iraq was better off under Saddam! And that's what they tell eachother to the point of them believing it, and presenting it daily on the nightly news. Yet, when a trial balloon is sent out (in the form of an anti-war commencement speaker in this case), it gets shot down time after time by the real America.

So yes, the talking heads are all saying "Bush is in electoral trouble". And that "the poll numbers are indicative at this point of a 1-termer". And blah blah blah... But something doesn't add up here. From what I've heard out of the press, it should've been cheers that interrupted this nimrod at Hofstra, not jeers! That should've been the story (if the numbers added up like they'd like us to believe). Hell, at least half of the crowd should've cheered, right? We are, after all, a 50/50 country right?

Come this November, you libs are in some serious trouble. And instances like this only reaffirm this notion.

fanofdave
05-25-2004, 01:05 PM
It's true; you are entitled to your own opinion.

BUT: opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one,
nobody really wants to hear it or see it, and it'll
probably smell like shit when its in the open.

fanofdave
05-25-2004, 01:07 PM
Steer the course, GW, and get the job done.

The democratic platform position on terrorism
(Ignore terrorism, maybe it will just go away)
isn't worth shit.

Satan
05-25-2004, 01:11 PM
As opposed to the Bush platform on terrorism, which is "create more terrorism, and then control the population through fear"

knuckleboner
05-25-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Hell, at least half of the crowd should've cheered, right? We are, after all, a 50/50 country right?

Come this November, you libs are in some serious trouble. And instances like this only reaffirm this notion.

not necessarily.

i don't fully agree with all of his points, but i share some of the criticisms of bush's job.

however, a commencement speech is an entirely inappropriate place to do that. and even if he had said EXACTLY my viewpoint, not only would i not have cheered, but i would've been disappointed in the speech.


i've said it before and i'll say it again: the final vote tally will be close and i'm thinking it's likely abouty 2%. now, at this point, i can't say whether it will be kerry by 2%, winning the electoral college, or bush by 1.5% and getting the win, or kerry by 0.3%, with bush getting the electoral nod.

but the popular vote difference will be 2%. it's got the knuckleboner guarantee...

Satan
05-25-2004, 01:40 PM
Is that with assistance from Diebold, or without?

knuckleboner
05-25-2004, 03:24 PM
without, of course.

outside of vauge, general, perceived problems, there will be no more actual problems with the electronic voting machines than with any other method of voting.

also, a knuckleboner guarantee.*




* guarantee void in the event ralph nader actually wins the 2004 election.

John Ashcroft
05-25-2004, 04:20 PM
Any Daly's involved in the counting?