Does Obama actually suck ??

[Panamark]

WTF ??

A few weeks ago Im watching thousands of dudes
in washington witnessing "an historical event"
Will Smith crying over a half black dude
getting the presidency, and now its being
reported in Australia that Americans are
increasingly changing their minds about Obama ???

Why ?

You guys are a fickle crew ?

Or is this just crap being propagated and he is still
the great American Dream ?

If he is losing popularity already, fuck that was quick !!

Anyway thats what we are hearing down under. Interesting huh...

[LoungeMachine]

So, you get FAUX NEWS down there too, eh Marky? :D

The guy inherited a shitstorm of a mess, created by the biggest bunch of greedheads, thieves, and whores since the Nixon Administration.....

He's stumbled quite a bit assembling his "team", and has made some boneheaded rookie mistakes.

But he hasn't invaded any countries, or shredded any laws, so he's already better than the last guy. It took 8 YEARS to fuck up this country, Obama has had 8 WEEKS.

The jury is still out on his first 100 days.

:gulp:

[Big Train]

It's still out, but I'm willing to say it isn't looking so good on the "chosen one" crap. He may still be a good president, but all time great he is losing steam by the day. So far, his biggest flaw seems to be the people he trusts. Horrible cabinet appointments, trusting the Congress actually knows what they are doing etc...

[Panamark]

Yeah ?

What happenened to the honeymoon period,
he must be making some decisions that are pissin
dudes off bigtime (not that thats a bad thing)
Even the financial analysts here are talking
him down ?
I thought (from what I saw on TV) that he
was a great speaker, very eloquent and
well spoken. On appearances, very intelligent !
Not the usual puppet dude with an arm
up his ass ...

Inheritance is always a problem for new
politicians, how you address it is how
you will be judged.. We have a syndrome in
Australia called "The Tall Poppy" syndrome
where we love seeing people who are
too high up in the pecking order being
cut back down...
I wonder if its a bit of that creeping in,
way too early with the press ??
I thought he was the darling of the press..

Why cut the poppy so early, he must have pissed
some people off with high media connections ......

or is he really making fucked up decisions ??

[LoungeMachine]

It's still out, but I'm willing to say it isn't looking so good on the "chosen one" crap. He may still be a good president, but all time great he is losing steam by the day. So far, his biggest flaw seems to be the people he trusts. Horrible cabinet appointments, trusting the Congress actually knows what they are doing etc...

Agreed.

:gulp:

Still hopeful he'll regain control of the boat soon, because that iceberg is getting closer....

[LoungeMachine]

Yeah ?

What happenened to the honeymoon period,
he must be making some decisions that are pissin
dudes off bigtime (not that thats a bad thing)
Even the financial analysts here are talking
him down ?
I thought (from what I saw on TV) that he
was a great speaker, very eloquent and
well spoken. On appearances, very intelligent !
Not the usual puppet dude with an arm
up his ass ...

Inheritance is always a problem for new
politicians, how you address it is how
you will be judged.. We have a syndrome in
Australia called "The Tall Poppy" syndrome
where we love seeing people who are
too high up in the pecking order being
cut back down...
I wonder if its a bit of that creeping in,
way too early with the press ??
I thought he was the darling of the press..

Why cut the poppy so early, he must have pissed
some people off with high media connections ......

or is he really making fucked up decisions ??




Yes.

:gulp:

[Big Train]

Agreed.

:gulp:

Still hopeful he'll regain control of the boat soon, because that iceberg is getting closer....

Until Pelosi takes a long walk, it is unlikely.

[sadaist]

The guy inherited a shitstorm of a mess, created by the biggest bunch of greedheads, thieves, and whores since the Nixon Administration.....



BLAME BUSH!

Oh yeah, and Clintons blow job...





He's stumbled quite a bit assembling his "team", and has made some boneheaded rookie mistakes.


So experience in something other than campaigning and reading speeches written by others does make a difference. Who'd a thunk that...





It took 8 YEARS (for Bush) to fuck up this country, Obama has had 8 WEEKS.


Have to agree with you on that one. 8 weeks and we're totally fucked. Yet somehow I'll rest easy tonight knowing while Obama is in California on The Tonight Show, Timothy Geithner is hard at work fixing Americas financial sector. (I just hope he's not using "Fix Your Financial Sector" software by H&R Block)
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[Nickdfresh]

BLAME BUSH!


Have to agree with you on that one. 8 weeks and we're totally fucked. Yet somehow I'll rest easy tonight knowing while Obama is in California on The Tonight Show, Timothy Geithner is hard at work fixing Americas financial sector. (I just hope he's not using "Fix Your Financial Sector" software by H&R Block)
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Yeah, Obama really screwed up that great economy and the biggest foreign policy clusterfuck in th history of the United States known as The Iraq War...


Oh yeah, and Clintons blow job...

That was the GOP led congress obsessed over his dick, and taking payoffs....

[Nickdfresh]

BTW, did anyone notice the Market rebounding and generally good economic news once we get past the AIG shit?

Obama will be remembered as the Reagan who inherited shit and turned it to gold (whether he deserves credit for it or not)....

[Panamark]

If the dow can hit 10,000 again, or even 9000
the economists will start talking recession reversal...

And hail the new chief..

[jacksmar]

"Obama will be remembered as the Reagan who inherited shit and turned it to gold. "

If you actually believe that, along with with the other BO lovers, we'll get you first in line to tweeze some blackheads from Hussein's back the next time he's in the tub.

Domestic policy making should have more do with arranging incentives than with dispensing largesse.

FBHO is another activist that got his wish and is in way over his head, just like Carter. The socialist mentality of FBHO is on display and everybody can suck it or leave it. When FBHO fails, it will be at the expense of his party loyalists.

Welcome back Carter.

[Big Train]

BTW, did anyone notice the Market rebounding and generally good economic news once we get past the AIG shit?

Obama will be remembered as the Reagan who inherited shit and turned it to gold (whether he deserves credit for it or not)....

What generally good news is that. The government bought back a bunch of Treasury Bills, which sparked a mini rally that is predicted to end by Friday. What spectacular piece of good news are we missing generally? We won't be getting past AIG or any of this stim shit in the next 10 years.

[Nickdfresh]

What generally good news is that. The government bought back a bunch of Treasury Bills, which sparked a mini rally that is predicted to end by Friday.

Good for predictions! The funny thing is people were saying that the initial 380 pt. jump was just a "Bear Market Rally" that would end the next day, but has pretty much continued unabated...

And the rally was the result of stronger than expected financial and banking stocks: such as Citibank turning a profit...


What spectacular piece of good news are we missing generally? We won't be getting past AIG or any of this stim shit in the next 10 years.

I didn't use the word "spectacular," strawman...

Which words would you like me to repeat? Consumer confidence has stabilized and is up (as I said). Certain stores are expanding -like Target. Oil prices have stabilized without the massive speculator driven price hikes at the pump. And new housing starts were almost record I think (as I said). And the fear of 'deflation' is ebbing..

You can go back to putting your head in the oven now, or jumping out your high rise. But don't do it! Everything is going to be okay! The current recession/minor-depression shows if anything, the silver lining is that it shows that America's economy is dominant, and when ours' sucks it takes out everyone elses' economies...

[Nickdfresh]

"Obama will be remembered as the Reagan who inherited shit and turned it to gold. "

If you actually believe that, along with with the other BO lovers, we'll get you first in line to tweeze some blackheads from Hussein's back the next time he's in the tub.

Domestic policy making should have more do with arranging incentives than with dispensing largesse.

FBHO is another activist that got his wish and is in way over his head, just like Carter. The socialist mentality of FBHO is on display and everybody can suck it or leave it. When FBHO fails, it will be at the expense of his party loyalists.

Welcome back Carter.

Well dummy, tell me when the second to the last recession was. Then tell me who was president during it! Reagan was a disaster his first two years with many predicting he was a one-termer that couldn't manage a lemonade stand...

Another self-nullifying "conservative" that cannot take "personal responsibility" and has to pass the buck and play the "blame-Carter" card...

[Nitro Express]

After that babbling troll Bush Obama is refreshing because he actually can speak correctly. Obama kind of reminds me of my little league coach who always said, "yes we can!"

But let's look at Obama. He's renaged on most of his campaign promises. Not only is he not bringing troops home he's sending more over and is talking about expanding into Pakistahn. He rewarded the crooked bankers who fucked us. Now he's raising taxes like a mad man which will only result in a tax rebellion later.

Granted this guy inherited a huge mess but he's only been throwing gasoline on the fire since he came into office.

[Nitro Express]

It's still out, but I'm willing to say it isn't looking so good on the "chosen one" crap. He may still be a good president, but all time great he is losing steam by the day. So far, his biggest flaw seems to be the people he trusts. Horrible cabinet appointments, trusting the Congress actually knows what they are doing etc...

Obama has the worst of the worst of cabinet members. A Bush era Secretary of Defense and Wall Street criminals in charge of the treasury. Then a bunch of Clinton retreads who deregulated the banks and allowed the big screwfest to happen in the first place.

Obama's people are the like allowing the fox to guard the henhouse.

[Nickdfresh]

Obama has the worst of the worst of cabinet members. A Bush era Secretary of Defense and Wall Street criminals in charge of the treasury. Then a bunch of Clinton retreads who deregulated the banks and allowed the big screwfest to happen in the first place.

Obama's people are the like allowing the fox to guard the henhouse.

Geitner was never on Wall Street...

And Sec. of Defense Gates is extremely competent and was worthy of keeping his job...

[Nitro Express]

Geitner ran the New York branch of the Federal Reserve. It was the Federal Reserve that caused the fucking bubble in the first place. It's also a private bank that is as federal as Federal Express.

[Nitro Express]

Geitner had a lot to do with the Citicorp fiasco.

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[Nitro Express]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/3501185/Timothy-Geitner-the-man-who-will-run-Obamas-ecomomic-team-is-a-basketball-playing-pressure-junkie.html

[jacksmar]

Replying to Nick.

You may want to rethink your thoughts on President Reagan. He was faced with the financial shitstorm FBHO is when he took office as Governor of California and then as President again after the spineless shit stain Jimmy Earl Carter ruined President Ford's financial corrections. Jimmy was the one saying Governor Reagan didn't know what he was doing and the same parrots that are triumphing FBHO's platitudes are the same assholes that didn't have a clue about Reagan's record in California. Reagan almost turned his back on his own better judgment and went into an economic meeting and stunned everybody sitting in that room as he had agreed the night before with the consensus.
All he did was simply remember a line from his 1971 inaugural speech:

A tax increase – even under the illusion that it would be a temporary expedient – will not resolve this problem. In the first place, temporary taxes have a way of outliving the problems that caused their birth. Government may protest that it never gets the money it needs, but it always manages to find a need for the money it gets.


FBHO would do well to study the past but he has way too many assholes essentially cheering: YOU GO GIRL!
FBHO is truly the most unlettered buffoon to take the Presidential oath. You'll get your caste system whether you want it or not. FBHO isn't worthy of Reagan's used Kleenex.

By the way Nick, Reagan may have presided over that recession, however do you remember what he had to do on his 3rd day in office? Raise the national debt. Reagan wasn't blaming shit on anyone. He did his job and for the next 12 years the Republicans in Congress increased the National debt to about 4.3 trillion. The same asshole Republicans want a second chance to ruin again. I'm hardly the dummy, but maybe we throw everyone of these bastards out of Congress and start fresh. And don't give me that shit how your guy is doing fine for your state. My Florida reps and senators need to go yesterday. The federal government has grown too big and doesn't know what the fuck its doing and doesn't give a fuck about you. Least of all FBHO.

You want a substantive discussion, we'll have it somewhere else other than a Roth fan board.

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Our green President better get his act together quick. The inheritance excuse isn't going to fly. He knew damn sight well what he was getting into when he applied for the job. Iran and Russia are flexing their muscles and North Korea is right behind them. Lets not forget Mexico's problems that are coming across are borders in droves. Yeah the AIG mess is getting all the press, but Fannie Mae and rival Freddie Mac are getting ready to fork out bonuses too.

[Nitro Express]

The same shit would be happening under McCain. Obama is the president so his the center shit target but let's be honest. All the candidates that had any chance in hell of winning were all bought and paid for by an international oligarchy of powerful bankers with a globalist agenda. It's no secret these people meet regularly and have a grand agenda. Politicians are the tools they use to get what they want.

[ELVIS]

Reagan was a disaster his first two years with many predicting he was a one-termer that couldn't manage a lemonade stand...



Dude, you were like nine years old when Reagan took office...

[hideyoursheep]

Dude, you were like nine years old when Reagan took office...

I wasn't!

[LoungeMachine]

Dude, you were like nine years old when Reagan took office...

WTF does that matter?

:gulp:

Ever heard of studying the past?

[hideyoursheep]

Would rather studied it than lived it.

[Nickdfresh]

Replying to Nick.

Replying back...


You may want to rethink your thoughts on President Reagan.

You don't really know my thoughts on Reagan. I actually respect him, if I don't agree with much of his agenda which I saw/see as a bit negative for the working person and middle class...

But he was a strong leader, and I do agree with his take in individuality and responsibility, just not on how he thought it should manifest itself politically...


He was faced with the financial shitstorm FBHO is when he took office as Governor of California and then as President again after the spineless shit stain Jimmy Earl Carter ruined President Ford's financial corrections. Jimmy was the one saying Governor Reagan didn't know what he was doing and the same parrots that are triumphing FBHO's platitudes are the same assholes that didn't have a clue about Reagan's record in California. Reagan almost turned his back on his own better judgment and went into an economic meeting and stunned everybody sitting in that room as he had agreed the night before with the consensus.
All he did was simply remember a line from his 1971 inaugural speech:

A tax increase – even under the illusion that it would be a temporary expedient – will not resolve this problem. In the first place, temporary taxes have a way of outliving the problems that caused their birth. Government may protest that it never gets the money it needs, but it always manages to find a need for the money it gets.

This is all complete revisionist horseshit! Carter was also faced with a "shitstorm" as the chickens from the Vietnam era and the overspending were coming home to roost. The entire 1970s was shaky economically and it began under Nixon during the 1973-75 recession and never really fully abated. The attempt to pin this all on Carter is fucking feeble and so fraught with sophist horseshit I don't know where to begin...

Reagan certainly had his own fuck ups as his policies intensified the recession that happened COMPLETELY DURING HIS FIRST TERM!

And yes, there were the famous tax cuts. But much like Kerry's voting record, what is less famous today is that Reagan RAISED TAXES BEFORE HE CUT THEM!



FBHO would do well to study the past but he has way too many assholes essentially cheering: YOU GO GIRL!
FBHO is truly the most unlettered buffoon to take the Presidential oath. You'll get your caste system whether you want it or not. FBHO isn't worthy of Reagan's used Kleenex.

Right. So you're stacking a Harvard educated lawyer from the middle class against an enabled actor famous for being an aging, flighty ditz. and calling which guy the buffoon?


By the way Nick, Reagan may have presided over that recession, however do you remember what he had to do on his 3rd day in office? Raise the national debt. Reagan wasn't blaming shit on anyone. He did his job and for the next 12 years the Republicans in Congress increased the National debt to about 4.3 trillion. The same asshole Republicans want a second chance to ruin again. I'm hardly the dummy, but maybe we throw everyone of these bastards out of Congress and start fresh. And don't give me that shit how your guy is doing fine for your state. My Florida reps and senators need to go yesterday. The federal government has grown too big and doesn't know what the fuck its doing and doesn't give a fuck about you. Least of all FBHO.

Fucking spare me! Reagan "wasn't blaming anyone," but his people sure were! Everything was Carter this and Carter that for his first term and this showed up very much in the 1984 campaign against Mondale...

What was his slogan again?


You want a substantive discussion, we'll have it somewhere else other than a Roth fan board.

Why? This is one of the best political boards I've seen where Mods like me are "hands off" and don't ban people almost solely based on pansies that complain via PM after they get owned!

[ELVIS]

WTF does that matter?

:gulp:

Ever heard of studying the past?

Yes, I do it all the time...

It's just that people have this obsession with rewriting history...


:elvis:

[LoungeMachine]

Yes, I do it all the time...

It's just that people have this obsession with rewriting history...


:elvis:

Usually by those who are trying to cover their tracks.....

For every bit of good Ronnie did, there was another evil, sinister, disgusting act he'd rather not be known for.

Having 3 kids in either high school, or middle school right now, I can attest to the fact history has been rewritten, and is being fed to our kids now.

:gulp:

[FORD]

Dude, you were like nine years old when Reagan took office...

I was 14 when he took office. And the minute those hostages were released from Iran, I knew the fix was in.

And that's when my distrust of the BCE began.

[WACF]

Usually by those who are trying to cover their tracks.....

For every bit of good Ronnie did, there was another evil, sinister, disgusting act he'd rather not be known for.

Having 3 kids in either high school, or middle school right now, I can attest to the fact history has been rewritten, and is being fed to our kids now.

:gulp:

Really....

Not cool.

What type of stuff?

Changing facts or throwing in opinion instead?

[Panamark]

Yeah but with Reagan, its well known about his Alzheimers,
there must have been a point in office where he literally was
there just for show. Didnt any of you old enough to remember,
ever think he was starting to act/look just a tad senile ?
I remember thinking that at the time.
So how many of the "Bad" or good acts were really
his doing ?

[Panamark]

BTW, when I think Reagan, I think of Boris Yeltsin.
Who the hell was running Russia when Yeltsin
was in his final years? That dude was permanently
off his face on Vodka..

[Big Train]

Good for predictions! The funny thing is people were saying that the initial 380 pt. jump was just a "Bear Market Rally" that would end the next day, but has pretty much continued unabated...

And the rally was the result of stronger than expected financial and banking stocks: such as Citibank turning a profit...



I didn't use the word "spectacular," strawman...

Which words would you like me to repeat? Consumer confidence has stabilized and is up (as I said). Certain stores are expanding -like Target. Oil prices have stabilized without the massive speculator driven price hikes at the pump. And new housing starts were almost record I think (as I said). And the fear of 'deflation' is ebbing..

You can go back to putting your head in the oven now, or jumping out your high rise. But don't do it! Everything is going to be okay! The current recession/minor-depression shows if anything, the silver lining is that it shows that America's economy is dominant, and when ours' sucks it takes out everyone elses' economies...

Your so excitable Nick. Make a few comments and you have to get all frothy like your being personally attacked.

I'd like you to repeat a number of words, with logic this time. What has really happened? We bought up some bonds and printed another trillion dollars. Hardly indicators of anything other than lipstick. Fundamentals have not changed and continue to worsen.

U.S. Economy: Housing Starts Unexpectedly Jumped (Update1) - Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agLqzpq2jKIM&refer=home)

Housing was up slightly because of an increase in condos and apt. buildings, as builders shift priorities. Also, expected to slow. In the macro view, they are expecting fewer people to be able to afford homes, thus they will need apartments. Not exactly a rosy picture.

No need to worry about me or my finances Nick, although I appreciate the concern.