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Nickdfresh
03-25-2009, 09:38 AM
5 signs of the recession's end
It took the government a year to tell us the economy was in a recession; here's how to tell when we're out of it.
By Elizabeth Strott, MSN Money

I'm sick and tired of reading, writing and hearing about how bad things are these days: The economy stinks, stocks are tanking, people are losing their jobs in droves.

The economy has got to turn around soon. But how the heck will we know when the turn has come?

Here are five key signs that we at MSN Money will be watching for, plus some extras from experts and a couple from just plain folks eager to see some evidence of a recovery.

1) Indexes start rising

There was a flicker of good news in February, when the Economic Cycle Research Institute's Weekly Leading Index rose for the first time in six weeks.

The index, a composite of daily and weekly data on economic drivers of the business cycle, including corporate profits and housing activity, is still looking pretty weak, said Lakshman Achuthan, the managing director at ECRI, but it has stopped falling, and there has been some stabilization since mid-December.

"When these leading indexes begin to start rising, that will be a very clear and, as importantly, a very objective sign of a recovery," Achuthan said.

Detailed information about the institute's research is available only to subscribers, but the leading index is frequently mentioned in news reports and is worth following as a reliable indicator of key changes in the business cycle.

Another statistic worth following is consumer spending. That is already showing some signs of life. Consumer spending constitutes about 70% of the U.S. economy. When consumers spend, the economy grows. Consumer spending rose 0.6% in January, after a 1% decrease in December and a 0.8% drop in November.

2) Cardboard boxes are in demand

Cargo and cardboard are two heavy-duty industrial signals to watch.

The Baltic Dry Index is an assessment of the price of moving raw materials on cargo ships around the world. When the world economy is fading, shipping gets cheaper. When growth returns, shipping costs more. The index has shown some improvement this year, after sinking to a 22-year low in early December.

"In terms of a glimmer of hope, a tap has been turned," said Michael Gaylard, a derivatives broker at Freight Investor Services.

"The fundamentals -- the raw materials needed that are paramount to infrastructure rebuilding and investment around the globe -- they're starting to move," Gaylard said. "Once the flows that we've seen in the past few weeks start to have some continuity to them, then the market will rebuild. The turnaround has started, but it's going to be a long and slow process."

Then-Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan used to watch the cardboard box business as an indicator of industrial production. About 75% of all nondurable goods are shipped in corrugated cardboard boxes; when demand for boxes is high, that's a sign that the economy is doing well.

3) Diamonds are forever . . . again

Jewelry sales are a leading indicator of recovery in the retail sector, according to Mike Niemira, the chief economist at the International Council of Shopping Centers. So what better store to watch than Tiffany (TIF, news, msgs)?

Sales of engagement rings have been down in recent months, said Mark Aaron, the company's vice president of investor relations.

"It's not that people don't fall in love during a recession," Aaron said, "It's whether they're making that commitment and buying a $10,000 engagement ring and making wedding plans.

"When people start to feel a little more secure about their jobs, when the stock market starts to stabilize, that might be enough to help restore confidence. If we see greater interest in the big-ticket items and a pickup in store traffic, that will be encouraging."

4) Restaurants are bubbly

There was no obvious sign of a recession at BLT Steak in New York City on a recent Thursday night. The tables were full, and the bar was packed.

But co-owner Keith Treyball said he has seen some pullback among his customers. He said he'll know the recession is ending when the most-affluent diners stop ordering the $150 bottles of wine they've been drinking lately and start ordering the $300 bottles they drank when the economy was stronger.

Some restaurateurs have already seen signs of recovery.

Valentine's Day, traditionally a big one for restaurants, was even bigger for Wolfgang Puck's restaurants this year: Sales were up 25% across the board, said Tom Kaplan, the senior managing partner of Wolfgang Puck's Fine Dining Group.

Some in the restaurant business see sales of Champagne as a leading indicator. If you buy that, there's hope, as bubbly remains very popular at hip bars, nightclubs and hotels, said Stephen Brauer, the general manager of wines and champagnes at Pernod Ricard (PDRDY, news, msgs).

"You have the 25- to 35-year-olds who do not have mortgages and children in college who continue to spend money and enjoy themselves," Brauer said. "You do not have to go to the bank and get a loan to enjoy a great bottle (of Champagne)."

5) Little splurges are back in style

Here's another sign of life. Murray's Cheese Shop in Greenwich Village was packed on my last visit. I'd never seen it so crowded.

Some glass-half-empty folks might say people were buying cheese for a night in, instead going out to dinner, but Murray's, which Forbes named the world's best cheese store, does not sell Kraft (KFT, news, msgs) singles. Cheese lovers end up spending $20 for a hunk of cheese. I did.

And people are still lining up for cupcakes at New York City's Magnolia Bakery. The bakery, which recently opened two more stores, has seen sales of its $2.50 cupcakes continually rise.

Strong sales of small indulgences demonstrate Americans still like to treat themselves and may soon be ready to move on to bigger treats.

So what are other people watching?

Mike McLaughlin, an Asics sneaker salesman and an avid golfer from New Jersey, said he'll know things are improving when tee times become more expensive and harder to get.

Jen Sundstrom, a pharmaceutical sales representative in Philadelphia, will know when she finds herself back at Whole Foods Market (WFMI, news, msgs) for all of her grocery shopping.

Eric Goldberg, a regular at BLT Steak's bar, said his indicator is "the amount of time it takes to get a seat at the bar at BLT Steak." It's been easier to find a seat because fewer people have been out, he said.

Readers, take note: Goldberg stood the whole night.

Other people said they'd know a recovery was coming when they:

* Upgraded to a bigger flat-screen television.
* Saw lawyers working until 2 a.m. again.
* Replaced generic dog food with organic brands.
* Bought Starbucks (SBUX, news, msgs) lattes again.
* Rejoined a gym and purchased sessions with a personal trainer.
* Had more trouble catching a cab in New York City.

David Zelman of housing research firm Zelman & Associates says he'll know the recession is over when he stops watching CNBC all day.

BITEYOASS
03-25-2009, 09:54 AM
They forgot to add another one:

6) When CNBC goes off the air and their talking blowhards are living in the street or in prison.

Big Train
03-25-2009, 10:44 AM
This is a mix of old school thoughts (cardboard box bit) and new school unfounded optimism. Which pretty much all MSN Money articles are like.

thome
03-25-2009, 10:54 AM
Yeap!

It's over!!!! but THE MF'n BCE IS STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAST TWO ICE AGES, and Al Poop shoot Gore is making shure you are still a mindless dolt.


Kiss my Ass.

Posting this mindless crap and acting like it's fukking news ...

The Global Crisis is in your mind because you are a vegetable.

3 Million Mexicans 79.3 % of wich here illegaly are all gamefully employed.

The Union is still laying of people and owning your congressman.

David Letterman still has a Island in the Carribean Earns his Money off Of Bitching about George Bush...and The AGI... yet he bilks more money out of the GE Union than -Any- 50, Executives in America.

Who is seeing WHAT....

WHERE!!!!!

You all are Hypmotized.

LoungeMachine
03-25-2009, 11:54 AM
thome misread the thread title.

He was worried recess was over.....

:gulp:

kwame k
03-25-2009, 12:10 PM
It's funny, I used to notice that if there were more 18 wheelers on the road, I knew things were getting better in Michigan. More tucking=more goods being delivered. That was my barometer.

I will say this, the Mainstream Media will keep up the fear aspect and the doom and gloom angle of the Recession long after the Recession has bottomed out. The Media has a tendency to always go for the negative and will beat a dead horse into the ground for more ratings than actually report that things are getting better. The cynicism in the Media has always outweighed reporting the actual facts.

Igosplut
03-25-2009, 12:29 PM
I do agree with you on that fact. I pay almost NO attention to TV news (mostly all I have time for) because once you get past all the celebrity bullshit (like what happened on American idol last night, ect) it's just a re-hashing of whatever bad is happening. Like they are purposely putting a negative spin on it all just to whip the masses up. Never is it more apparent than in the weather reports. If there's a cold front coming with two inches of snow, they'd have you believe that a state of emergency was likely to be called (and this is in the northeast for fucks sake....)

Nitro Express
03-25-2009, 02:15 PM
The stock market is only rallying because the govt. agreed to buy shitty assets and take them off the backs of the banks. The taxpayer is now stuck with this shit unless the govt. can resell them to suckers. Then the Fed has been flooding the world with even more cheap dollars.

It's a short-term rally but the basic foundation of a good economy aren't there because we have lost any kind of real manufacturing, we run HUGE trade deficites, and the US no longer can be the big, fat consumer of the world eating up the goods of the export based economies overseas. We can't buy and they can't sell. The politicians have to do something or we would have been slitting throats and bashing in heads in the streets already.

Nitro Express
03-25-2009, 02:18 PM
CNBC is only good if you like to lust after money whores or see that Coco Puff, Fruit Loop bird imitating goon Jim Cramer spaz out and jump around selling suckers to buy in so the smart money that own the network can cash out.

FORD
03-25-2009, 02:34 PM
This article is a parody, right? It has to be. Because nobody would seriously think the recession was over if someone was buying a steak in fucking Manhattan.

Scratch that. Actually, the corporate whore media would. Because they think "the economy" is all about goddamn useless leeches on Wall Street who produce absolutely NOTHING of value. If they're all living high on the hog from taxpayer money, that ain't no fucking economic recovery.

Talk to me about recovery when every person of working age has a living wage job in their chosen field and they don't have to choose between keeping the lights on and taking their sick kid to a doctor.

I'll bet Timmy the Keebler Elf never had to worry about that.

Nickdfresh
03-25-2009, 03:58 PM
The stock market is only rallying because the govt. agreed to buy shitty assets and take them off the backs of the banks. ...

Naw. It was rallying before that on financial stocks, more consumer confidence, and the fact that everything is undervalued...

The market has also stabilized with the only wild swings going up...

Big Train
03-27-2009, 12:33 AM
While I disagree with that statement with every fiber of me, I will also hope to be wrong in this case.

I don't see a single long term tangible thing that you can point to that says this will be sustained. Nitro is absolutely correct in his statements. The stock market though is sometimes completely irrational though.