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Nickdfresh
03-29-2009, 09:40 AM
Gunfight erupts as Iraqi Sunni leader arrested

By ROBERT H. REID – 16 hours ago

BAGHDAD (AP) — A gunfight erupted Saturday in central Baghdad after the local leader of a Sunni group that broke with al-Qaida was arrested for his alleged role in terrorist acts, Iraqi officials said.

Adil al-Mashhadani, the head of an Awakening Council group, was detained Saturday along with an aide after a warrant was issued for his arrest, Iraqi military spokesman Maj. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi said.

The shootout broke out after Iraqi army and police units served the warrant in Fadhil, a Sunni enclave on the east bank of the Tigris River that was run by al-Qaida until U.S. and Iraqi soldiers regained control in 2007.

Four people — three civilians and a policeman were killed — and 10 people were wounded in the shooting, according to police and hospital officials. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not supposed to release information to media.

A Fadhil resident said by telephone that the neighborhood was quiet Saturday night, with Iraqi troops sealing off the area and U.S. helicopters patrolling overhead. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of fears for his own safety.

It was unclear whether the allegations against al-Mashhadani were based on his purported activities before the Sunni revolt against al-Qaida, during which thousands of Sunnis switched sides.

A U.S. military spokesman, Col. Bill Buckner, confirmed the arrest and said the move was not directed at the Awakening Council.

The rise of such volunteer groups, also known as Sons of Iraq, is widely seen as a major contribution to the sharp reduction in violence following the U.S. troop surge of 2007.

Volunteer fighters, many of them ex-insurgents, man checkpoints, provide intelligence to Iraqi and U.S. forces and take part in joint security patrols.

How the Shiite-led government deals with the Sunni security volunteers is widely seen as a test of its ability to win the loyalty of disaffected Sunnis — an essential step in forging a lasting peace in Iraq.

Many Shiite politicians view the councils with deep suspicion, believing they switched sides for money and could turn their weapons against the majority Shiite community again someday.

Last October, the Iraqi government assumed responsibility for paying the more than 90,000 security volunteers. The Iraqi government is to start paying the last 10,000 volunteers still on the U.S. payroll on April 1.

On Saturday, however, leaders of several Awakening Council groups complained that the government has not paid them in months, with some threatening to quit a movement.

"We have not received our salaries in two months," said Ahmed Suleiman al-Jubouri, a leader of a group that mans checkpoints in south Baghdad. "We will wait until the end of April, and if the government does not pay us our salaries, then we will abandon our work."

Similar complaints were also raised by Sons of Iraq groups in Azamiyah, a former al-Qaida stronghold in north Baghdad, and in Diyala province near the capital.

"The fighters in Diyala haven't been getting paid since three months ago," said Khalid Khudhair al-Lehaibi, leader of the volunteers in the province. "We appeal the government to pay our salaries, and if they won't, we will organize demonstrations and sit-ins in the province."

Efforts to contact a government spokesman were unsuccessful because offices are closed on weekends.

Buckner said the new budget law shifted funding for the volunteers to the Interior Ministry, which was still refining its procedures. He said payments would resume this week.

Under pressure from the U.S., the government agreed to accept 20,000 of the fighters into the police or army and continue paying the rest until they could find them civilian jobs.

But U.S. officials say the process has been slowed because the drop in world oil prices has cut deeply into the government's revenues, prompting a freeze on army and police recruiting.

Also Saturday, a senior aide to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki confirmed that contacts were under way to win the release of five Britons taken hostage in May 2007 but denied Arab media reports that deal had been finalized.

The widely read Saudi-owned news Web site Elaph quoted a leader of the Shiite extremist group Asaib Ahl al-Haq, or League of the Righteous, as saying one of the five Britons would be freed "very soon" in exchange for 10 of its members.

If that exchange goes according to plan, the other hostages would be released in stages in exchange for the freedom of more detained Shiites. The first group of detainees would include Laith al-Khazali, brother of the league's founder, Qais al-Khazali, Elaph said.

The final exchange would free Peter Moore, an information technology consultant, in exchange for Qais al-Khazali and Ali Moussa Daqduq, a Lebanese Hezbollah commander who was captured in Iraq in 2007, the Web site reported.

Moore and four of his security guards were seized by gunmen in police uniforms from the Finance Ministry.

Last week, the British Embassy confirmed receiving a hostage video but refused to say who appeared on it. The BBC said it was Moore, who had appeared in an earlier video shown on Feb. 26, 2008.

The league is a splinter group from the Mahdi Army militia loyal to radical Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr. The U.S. believes the group is backed by Iran, a charge the Iranians deny.

Qais al-Khazali, a Shiite cleric and former aide to al-Sadr, has been in U.S. custody since March 2007. U.S. officials believe al-Khazali's group launched a January 2007 raid on a government compound in Karbala, that killed five U.S. soldiers.

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Nickdfresh
03-29-2009, 09:57 AM
The central tenent of the "Surge" was not to just send more troops to Iraq, it was the reconciliation of two (civil) warring factions. If the Shiites in their Iranian-backed militia gov't don't continue the gains made under the plan envisioned in 2006, then they're fucked. It will be perennial civil war with the Iranians backing the Shiites and the US/West backing the Sunnis (ironically)...

BITEYOASS
03-29-2009, 10:25 AM
This war has just been one big clusterfuck from the beginning! Why hold together a country in which the bounderies were not even agreed upon by its own people? It's a multi-sided war, with kurds, sunnis, sh'ites, foreign fighters, other ethnic groups and the US (with a few allies) all going at it. Added to the problem of the corruption of no-bid contractors and not paying the local fighters, then you have a really fuckin unwinable war. Looks like the only solution is to break this country up into several pieces. Plus we should do our part to stop funding dictatorships and the illegal drug trade.

Big Train
03-29-2009, 03:07 PM
Isn't the surge really to get it stable enough for us to get the fuck out of there? For the government to say "yea we got it under control" and then let the chips fall where they may? Isn't that what they have been saying all along on the lib side (get the BCE out), or least cut oil deals first?

LoungeMachine
03-29-2009, 05:30 PM
We stabilized Europe and Japan quicker...

:gulp:

Big Train
03-29-2009, 05:32 PM
But they didn't have a thousand years of actively fighting their countrymen under their belts before we showed up.

Nickdfresh
03-29-2009, 05:35 PM
Isn't the surge really to get it stable enough for us to get the fuck out of there? For the government to say "yea we got it under control" and then let the chips fall where they may? Isn't that what they have been saying all along on the lib side (get the BCE out), or least cut oil deals first?

The stability was part of reunifying Iraq. That was stated as the endgame...

Big Train
03-29-2009, 06:19 PM
Yes, but the real endgame was to get it stable "enough". That is a relative term in the Arab world.

Combat Ready
03-30-2009, 01:38 AM
Looks like the only solution is to break this country up into several pieces.

Hey--Exactly what Biden wanted (prior to being nominated for VP)....What several pieces do you recommend? Please be specific.

Nitro Express
03-30-2009, 02:36 AM
This war has just been one big clusterfuck from the beginning! Why hold together a country in which the bounderies were not even agreed upon by its own people? It's a multi-sided war, with kurds, sunnis, sh'ites, foreign fighters, other ethnic groups and the US (with a few allies) all going at it. Added to the problem of the corruption of no-bid contractors and not paying the local fighters, then you have a really fuckin unwinable war. Looks like the only solution is to break this country up into several pieces. Plus we should do our part to stop funding dictatorships and the illegal drug trade.

It wasn't a clusterfuck to the weapons manufactures and military contractors. Some people have made a mint off the clusterfuck. Follow the money.

Blaze
03-30-2009, 03:17 AM
But they didn't have a thousand years of actively fighting their countrymen under their belts before we showed up.

When hasn't USA not been fighting???

You do know the word to the national anthem, don't you?


O! say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming.
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming.
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave

Big Train
03-31-2009, 12:19 AM
Genius...key word....active.

You can report to the Minutemen reenactment on Lexington Green if you like though..

Your sentence structure is a bit confusing. I'm just responding to what I think that is supposed to say.

Blaze
03-31-2009, 03:15 AM
The fact that the area is simply older in history is just a fact.
To follow the historical reference of USA we would have to follow back to England and her wars.
During the fall of the Ottoman empire significant changes in governing lines occurred.
Then also include the Great War (WWI). The ties between Wilhelm Kaiser and the Ottoman Empire were pretty strong. During the global restructuring of WWI and the Ottoman fall the forced changes in social structure was significant.

But again, when hasn't America been involved in an armed conflict?

When America finalized the pillage of the Americas other conflicts came to our attention.
There cames a time when as a world we have to accept an enlighten path.
Our neighbors no longer are days if not years away. It is a intimate society we now live in.

So to act like we are innocents is superficial at best and haughty or deceitful at worse.

We have partook of the inefficient and unstable use of war to attempt to Michaelize the face of societies. Does it really matter if the whole world eats processed beef or drinks coca-cola? Or watches Hollywood produced entertainment?

I read an article from a country from the southern part of Africa. I don't remember which one or if I could easily find it. But the fact is, this global tightening of the belt is being viewed as a good thing in many economies struggling prior to our CEO's (and other countries CEOs) crimes against humanity. They have with the lack of outside developers (coming along gathering up the monies to cart off to a foreign land)looked around and say, we are fine. And local talent is springing forth to meet the needs from with in the country and region. The development of local talent is so significant that it is seeping all the way into the artist culture. The catering and buying of foreign taste in entertainment is giving way to catering and buying in their own economies.
P.s. And that is a good thing.

We can still be global and the lines that tie us still can be removed. It is natural for humans to be both migrators and to remain steadfast