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Nickdfresh
04-05-2009, 10:56 AM
North Korea launches rocket over Japan
‘Provocative act,’ U.S. says; Japan calls for emergency U.N. meeting
The Associated Press
updated 9:35 a.m. ET, Sun., April. 5, 2009
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SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea defied international warnings and sent a rocket hurtling over the Pacific on Sunday, a launch President Barack Obama called an illicit test of the regime's long-range missile technology that threatened the security of nations "near and far."

Obama and European Union leaders meeting in Prague condemned the move and said North Korea's dangerous defiance demanded an international response. Diplomats at the United Nations scheduled an emergency Security Council session for later Sunday to discuss what Obama called a clear violation of U.N. resolutions.

"North Korea broke the rules once more by testing a rocket that could be used for a long-range missile," Obama said. "This provocation underscores the need for action — not just this afternoon at the U.N. Security Council, but in our determination to prevent the spread of these weapons."

He said the launch threatened the security of countries "near and far."

North Korea says it successfully sent its "Kwangmyongsong-2" satellite into orbit as part of its peaceful bid to develop its space program. The claim comes just days before North Korea's authoritarian leader, Kim Jong Il, presides over the first session of the country's new parliament in his first major public appearance since reportedly suffering a stroke last August.

The U.S. and South Korea say no satellite or other object reached orbit Sunday, and joined Japan and other countries in accusing the North of using the launch to test the delivery system for its long-range missile technology — a step toward eventually mounting a nuclear weapon on a missile capable of reaching Alaska and beyond.

"North Korea's development of a ballistic missile capability, regardless of the stated purpose of this launch, is aimed at providing it with the ability to threaten countries near and far with weapons of mass destruction," a joint EU-U.S. statement said.

Liftoff took place at 11:30 a.m. (0230 GMT) from the coastal Musudan-ri launch pad in northeastern North Korea, the South Korean and U.S. governments said. The multistage rocket hurtled toward the Pacific, reaching Japanese airspace within seven minutes. Warships did not activate interceptors because no debris appeared to hit its territory, officials in Tokyo said.

Four hours after the launch, North Korea declared it a success. An experimental communications satellite reached outer space in just over nine minutes and was orbiting Earth, the state-run Korean Central News Agency said from Pyongyang.

"The satellite is transmitting the melodies of the immortal revolutionary paeans 'Song of Gen. Kim Il Sung' and 'Song of Gen. Kim Jong Il' as well as measurement data back to Earth," it said, referring to the country's late founder and his son, its current leader.

But South Korea's defense minister and the U.S. military disputed that account. North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command officials said in a statement that the first stage of the rocket fell into the waters between Korea and Japan, while the two other stages, and its payload, landed in the Pacific Ocean.

Bold act of defiance
The launch was a bold act of defiance against Obama, Japanese leader Taro Aso and other leaders who pressed North Korea in the days leading up to liftoff to cancel a move they said would threaten peace and stability in Northeast Asia.

Aso called the launch "an extremely provocative act that cannot be overlooked."

"The North Korea missile test today is completely unacceptable. It's a breach of international obligations. It will be condemned in every country across the world and they should desist from testing and proliferating nuclear weapons," British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said.

China, North Korea's main source of economic aid and diplomatic support, urged all sides to maintain calm and exercise restraint. It offered to play a "constructive role," though some say it could use its veto power to block a unified response to the launch at the Security Council.

Russia, which shares a border with North Korea, also called for calm. "We urge all states concerned to show restraint in judgments and action in the current situation, and to be guided by objective data on the nature of North Korea's launch," a Foreign Ministry statement said.

Saying the launch violates Resolution 1718, part of efforts to force North Korea to shelve its nuclear program and halt long-range missile tests, Japan's U.N. mission immediately requested a meeting of the 15-nation Security Council, spokesman Yutaka Arima said. Mexico, which holds the 15-nation council's presidency this month, set the meeting for 3 p.m. EDT (1900 GMT), spokesman Marco Morales said.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he regretted North Korea's move "against strong international appeal" at a time when nuclear disarmament talks involving six nations remain stalled.

"Given the volatility in the region, as well as a stalemate in interaction among the concerned parties, such a launch is not conducive to efforts to promote dialogue, regional peace and stability," Ban said in a statement from Paris.

At the United Nations, diplomats have begun discussing ways to affirm existing sanctions on North Korea. Envoys said permanent council members U.S., Britain and France are unlikely to secure agreement on new sanctions from veto holders Russia and China. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions.

North Korea, which says its participation in a U.N. space treaty protects its right to send a satellite into orbit, took pains to alert international maritime and aviation authorities of the rocket's flight path, in marked contrast to 2006, when it carried out a surprise launch of a similar Taepodong-2 long-range missile that fizzled 42 seconds after takeoff.

"Even if a satellite was launched, we see this as a ballistic missile test," Japan's chief Cabinet spokesman Takeo Kawamura said.


Japan had threatened to shoot down any debris from the rocket if the launch went wrong, and positioned batteries of interceptor missiles on its coast and radar-equipped ships in its northern seas to monitor the liftoff. Russia also scrambled fighter jets to monitor the launch, while U.S. and South Korea sent warships to nearby waters, reports said.

South Korea, which technically remains at war with the North because their three-year conflict ended in 1953 in a truce rather than a peace treaty, put its forces on heightened alert.

North Korea, one of the world's poorest nations, has backed off a disarmament-for-aid pact with five other nations that calls for dismantling its rogue nuclear program in exchange for much-needed energy, oil and other aid.

Amid the controversy over the rocket launch, North Korea announced last week it would put two American reporters detained at the border with China on trial for allegedly entering the country illegally and engaging in "hostile acts."

Laura Ling and Euna Lee, reporters for former U.S. Vice President Al Gore's Current TV media venture, were seized by North Korean soldiers on March 17.


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Kristy
04-05-2009, 12:22 PM
Little man. Little penis. Big rocket.

LoungeMachine
04-05-2009, 12:36 PM
North Korea launches rocket over Japan


North Korea, one of the world's poorest nations, has backed off a disarmament-for-aid pact with five other nations that calls for dismantling its [B]rogue nuclear program in exchange for much-needed energy, oil and other aid.



I always love this spin.

What exactly make a nuclear program "rogue"???

Nickdfresh
04-05-2009, 12:54 PM
Of course...

It's also a cry of "look at me Obama, Aso, Myung-Bak!" as the realization sets in that The "Democratic People's" Republic of Korea is a waning power with a large, agricultural picker Army that now has to compete with two Wars and a really bad economy for US/Asian gov'ts attention amidst catastrophic famine and poverty funding...

I think they now realize the inevitable unification of Korea will not involve them much, and every year their vintage military degrades more and more from the last significant updates that took place in the 1980s...

Their nukes really don't work and the missiles are archaic and unreliable at best...and they can't even hope to win by blitzing the south anymore...

Nickdfresh
04-05-2009, 12:57 PM
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Big Train
04-05-2009, 01:05 PM
America...fuck yea!!

Nick, do you also buy into the theory the guy from CNN was saying this morning? That essentially it's a sales pitch to those who want to scare the infidels?

Nickdfresh
04-05-2009, 01:12 PM
I didn't see it. :( Sounds plausible. Sooner or later, the DPRK will be gone and Seoul will run things...

Kristy
04-05-2009, 01:21 PM
Their nukes really don't work and the missiles are archaic and unreliable at best...and they can't even hope to win by blitzing the south anymore...

A half-assed manufactured nuke is still a nuke; much of what North Korea has in it's military arsenal is Russian/Chinese surplus which in itself is window dressing for his megalomaniac parades but that doesn't mean most of his outdated missiles won't work. And for a man who thrives on self propaganda an invasion into South Korea would not only be political suicide but a reduction in his own army for much of them would defect in a heartbeat.

Blaze
04-05-2009, 04:32 PM
I always love this spin.

What exactly make a nuclear program "rogue"???

Could it be something close to this?
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Just change the pics and line
"I'm living in a rouge nation" to "I got a rouge program"
:shrug:

WACF
04-05-2009, 05:41 PM
FOXNews.com - U.N. Security Council to Hold Emergency Session Over N. Korea Launch - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512586,00.html)

U.N. Security Council to Hold Emergency Session Over N. Korea Launch




Oh dear.....they just might send a strongly worded letter!

Nothing much will happen...but...perhaps in return for promising to stop they can broker a deal for some more aid...then the U.N. can say "See...we took care of it.".

China and Russia...who have veto power will see to it nothing else happens as far as sanctions go.

Blaze
04-05-2009, 06:05 PM
If they want a communications satellite for their own to play their own brand of funkadelic music and why was that produced television shows, give them one.
That sounds like a good sanction to me..... that an letters from Thome explaining the state of the world... :D

Nickdfresh
04-05-2009, 06:15 PM
A half-assed manufactured nuke is still a nuke;

Or high explosive sewn with radioactive material? :)


much of what North Korea has in it's military arsenal is Russian/Chinese surplus which in itself is window dressing for his megalomaniac parades but that doesn't mean most of his outdated missiles won't work. And for a man who thrives on self propaganda an invasion into South Korea would not only be political suicide but a reduction in his own army for much of them would defect in a heartbeat.

It's IRBMs or ICBMs are indigenous and are highly questionable as many seem to break apart early in flight. I'm not saying there is no threat, but their military has languished with critical fuel shortages, almost no training at corp level or above, and vehicles that need spare parts...

It would be suicide for them to attack, and they know it. Maybe into the early 90s they could have done some real damage, but the Army would quickly collapse and a South Korean counteroffensive would roll North easily crushing what was left...

I think they're now trying to figure their options in maintaining some sort of power after unification. But that is still a decade or two off...

swage33
04-06-2009, 08:54 PM
Its a sales pitch to a Democratic President. The last one netted them 21 billion dollars.

Nickdfresh
04-06-2009, 09:12 PM
Its a sales pitch to a Democratic President. The last one netted them 21 billion dollars.

Yeah, until Bush really showed them!!!!

hideyoursheep
04-08-2009, 07:02 AM
Its a sales pitch to a Democratic President. The last one netted them 21 billion dollars.

That was when we had 21 billion dollars.

If NK was really interested in expansion, it would have happened already.

Next time around, China won't be there for them to call on when shit gets rough.

swage33
04-08-2009, 10:14 PM
That was when we had 21 billion dollars.

If NK was really interested in expansion, it would have happened already.

Next time around, China won't be there for them to call on when shit gets rough.


What makes you think China won't be there? China has threatened a veto to any UN measures and Russia will follow suit. Here's the plan: obtain a huge payoff from the US, use that money to buy more weapons and technology from Russia and China, gain nuclear capability, get an even bigger payday from the US. Let me guess, Ford, Sheep and Nick think I'm a jackass for this post.

hideyoursheep
04-09-2009, 04:37 AM
What makes you think China won't be there? China has threatened a veto to any UN measures and Russia will follow suit. Here's the plan: obtain a huge payoff from the US, use that money to buy more weapons and technology from Russia and China, gain nuclear capability, get an even bigger payday from the US. Let me guess, Ford, Sheep and Nick think I'm a jackass for this post.
NK doesn't have the means to sustain a long, drawn out conflict with anybody...don't kid yourself. The Chinese aren't going to play "big brother" to NK in the same manner they did in the past. They don't need to rock the global boat, as they are enjoying the ride at the moment.

Just don't fuck with Menta Lee Ill...he needs wine and women...give it to him and he'll STFU. He's just the little kid down the street who wants the attention of the big kids.

Everyone knows.

The US is the only nation in the history of earth to use a nuclear weapon.The world is very aware of it's effect.

NK would never use it, because the first time they did, if it worked, would be their last. They don't want to get into an arms race they cannot hope to win, it's too expensive and pointless.

I just can't understand why they should get so much attention for it. It's not in their best interest to go shooting off missles. I'm no world leader, and hell, even I understand that.

ELVIS
04-09-2009, 07:54 AM
Well, they obviously want to scare somebody...

Blaze
04-09-2009, 08:22 AM
Or they really did want a satellite all their own and maybe even, gasp, put into orbit by themselves. Like the kid down the block, that doesn't have a bike like everyone else. And too poor to buy one, or even admit defeat when the one he makes falls apart. Damnit, he tried.
Pride it's a funny thing.
maybe it was to "spy" every, justified or not, paranoid peeks through the blinds.
Could it have been them trying to build a weapon of some sort, maybe. But take it as face value. If they said the wanted a com sat. Offer them one. It might just be the pie that would make them just a little less leery of the "outsiders"

Just saying........

I so want to know where I picked up my newest favorite closing. :confused12:

ELVIS
04-09-2009, 08:24 AM
They're building and testing weapons with what little money they have, period.

Blaze
04-09-2009, 08:33 AM
They announced it was for communications satellite.
Is there a new way to get satellites in orbit?
Flying space monkeys making orbit deliveries now, Elvis?

ELVIS
04-09-2009, 08:42 AM
They lied!

Satellite missles go almost straight up...

This thing did not do that...

Seshmeister
04-09-2009, 09:21 AM
And space shuttles aren't meant to explode

ELVIS
04-09-2009, 12:54 PM
No, they're not. But NASA has always know of problems prior to disasters...


:elvis:

Blaze
04-09-2009, 12:59 PM
Are you saying NASA knew the shuttle was to blow up and that was a conspiracy too???:ashamed:

ELVIS
04-09-2009, 01:06 PM
No, but they knew ahead of time the O-rings (http://ethics.tamu.edu/ethics/shuttle/shuttle1.htm) on the solid rocket boosters were faulty, especially in cold weather...

The failure of the O-ring was attributed to several factors, including faulty design of the solid rocket boosters, insufficient low temperature testing of the O-ring material and the joints that the O-ring sealed, and lack of communication between different levels of NASA management.


:elvis:

FORD
04-09-2009, 03:52 PM
Are you saying NASA knew the shuttle was to blow up and that was a conspiracy too???:ashamed:

Well.... it did blow up over Texas. And Cheney was there on a "hunting" trip at the time.

Just sayin.......

WACF
04-09-2009, 04:03 PM
Are you saying NASA knew the shuttle was to blow up and that was a conspiracy too???:ashamed:


As with most things...they were very aware that it could blow up...but chose to ignore that.

ELVIS
04-09-2009, 04:34 PM
Hans Blix

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:elvis: