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Big Train
04-24-2009, 04:12 AM
What to make of this? So many questions.

1. Was there a crime committed?
2. Since both sides of the aisle are involved, is this being brushed under the rug?
3. Why such kid glove treatment for this particular org? Could it be because they are so deeply entrenched with their paid for politicians in the Dem party?
4. Is this just a pissing match between Harman and Pelosi?
5. Why are some members of the press so determined to write "nothing to see here" articles?
6. Just when and how were Prescott and the BCE involved? (sorry, had to throw that in...)

Los Angeles Times: The Jane Harman file (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-harman23-2009apr23,0,2904531,print.story)


The Jane Harman file
The allegations against the congresswoman and others are confusing and troubling. A final judgment may depend on transcripts of the wiretaps at the heart of the matter.

April 23, 2009

The recent allegations against Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice) are tangled and murky and, for the moment at least, raise more questions than they answer -- but they're also troubling. If everything that's alleged turns out to be true, it's not a nice story.

Let us recap. In 2005, two employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the leading pro-Israel lobby in the U.S., were charged with conspiring to obtain classified information from a Defense Department official and passing it on to an Israeli Embassy official. Their espionage trial is scheduled for June.

This week, Congressional Quarterly reported that Harman spoke on the phone in 2005 or 2006 with an ally of the two AIPAC officials and promised to seek lenient treatment for them. In return, she was reportedly offered help winning the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, a job she badly wanted. Harman apparently signed off the call saying, "This conversation doesn't exist."

But it now appears that the conversation, or some version of it, does exist -- and was captured on tape by the National Security Agency as part of a court-approved wiretapping investigation into Israeli spying in the U.S. Harman was not the target, but her interlocutor was.

What are we to make of this? Harman says it's outrageous that she was eavesdropped on, that she never sought to influence the AIPAC case, and that the tapes should be released. We certainly support that last request. There are plenty of contradictions in these reports, and a transcript, along with an explanation from the executive branch, could clear up a lot of questions.

Harman was within bounds to argue that the AIPAC prosecution was unfair. But if she actually agreed to contact senior officials to influence an ongoing criminal case, that's a touchier subject -- and it's totally unacceptable if she agreed as part of a quid pro quo to win a job. Even though she never became chairwoman, and there's no evidence she influenced anyone, the conversation, if it occurred, is very disturbing.

Here's another twist. After the conversation was intercepted, a review was begun to decide whether a criminal inquiry was warranted. But it was halted, says CQ, by then-Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales, who wanted Harman's help in dissuading the New York Times from writing about the controversial warrantless wiretapping program. If that's true, it's outrageous too. The attorney general should not be closing investigations because he needs "help" from their targets.

What's obvious is that politics and personal agendas should never impede serious law enforcement. We will reserve final judgment until we see the transcripts. But it doesn't sound as if anyone is going to come out looking good.

GAR
04-24-2009, 04:27 AM
Feinstein wants Harman out due to criticising her for earmarking 25 billion dollars for her husband to sell depreciated foreclosures owned by the FDIC.

Feinsteins' husband is CEO of the biggest realtor in California, CBRE Coldwell Banker Richard Ellis. She's in there with Pelosi, and Pelosi's up n coming former newphew in law, fag-loving SF Mayor Gavin Newsome who was anti-Prop 8.

GAR
04-24-2009, 04:30 AM
Feinstein put the stitch in to have Harman watched, just like she's probably having the Homeland Security tap it's digidick in all the other commercial realtor's networks for her husbands' benefit.

Blaze
04-24-2009, 04:35 AM
Just another corruption case.
Sometimes people get lost on the highway of life.
If it goes to litigation or anything else, someone will get a speeding ticket, and depending how over the limit they were traveling on life's highway...it can get costly..

GAR
04-24-2009, 05:41 AM
Sometimes people get lost on the highway of life.

Sometimes, on the highway of life, you have to pull over and just hitch a ride.

Sometimes you have to pull over and pick up a hitchiker, and sometimes you just have to run him over when he comes to the window with a gun, or a speculum or something..

Blaze
04-24-2009, 06:47 AM
Sometimes, on the highway of life, you have to pull over and just hitch a ride.

Sometimes you have to pull over and pick up a hitchiker, and sometimes you just have to run him over when he comes to the window with a gun, or a speculum or something..

:biggrin:
One of the few times I could have thanked you for a post and I have used up all my thanks already. Damn the luck for ya' Gar.

Big Train
04-24-2009, 02:01 PM
So nobody is worried that a foreign power was essentially caught spying and a US congresswoman is getting involved on their behalf?

she is just "lost on the highway of life"?

Blaze
04-24-2009, 02:23 PM
That's pretty much what corruption is.
Do you feel it is an act of treason, instead of espionage?
Espionage is not a hugely difficult job. One can espionage and not even realize it.
What was her intent?

FORD
04-24-2009, 02:30 PM
Two of the most corrupt influences in Washington DC are the "defense" industry and the foreign lobby AIPAC. Harman is a tool of both, as is Feinstein. Neither of them act like Democrats anyway, so fuck 'em.

Big Train
04-24-2009, 11:55 PM
That's pretty much what corruption is.
Do you feel it is an act of treason, instead of espionage?
Espionage is not a hugely difficult job. One can espionage and not even realize it.
What was her intent?

Corruption among citizens of the same country is pure corruption. Corruption involving a foreign power is treason. The AIPAC guys were doing the espionage. Harman agreed to "waddle into" (her words and her intent) the situation on their behalf. That is pure treason in my book.

Nickdfresh
04-25-2009, 08:23 AM
I dunno what to make of it yet. But since federal prosecutors are a bit more wary and gun-shy because of their fuck-ups in the Jefferson and Stevens cases...