Barack Obama and Alan Keyes debate 10/12/04 [Archive]

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ELVIS

05-02-2009, 05:10 AM

FORD

05-02-2009, 01:34 PM

Alan Keyes in the Mosh Pit........

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FORD

05-02-2009, 01:41 PM

Keyes comes off as a complete tool in that debate, pushing all the neocon bullshit that even Republicans know were lies now, and some of us even knew THEN (i.e. fictional horseshit about "global terra networks")

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 04:26 PM

I posted it mainly to show how much Obama has changed his stripes since then...

:elvis:

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 04:39 PM

Alan Keyes in the Mosh Pit........

That was awesome!

I always admired Alan keys, as you should remember, and I do agree that he came across a bit odd in that debate, but he made some valid points as well...

Obama did very well. I was a bit suprised...

But damn, did Bush age in the last eight or nine years or what ??

:elvis:

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 04:44 PM

(i.e. fictional horseshit about "global terra networks")

No, I disagree with you there. I admit 100% that we went into Iraq under false pretenses, and I bought into it as well as probably 80% or more of the american public. You may have yourself for a second or two, but you will never tell...

I don't know why they didn't just tell the truth, that Saddam played a part in the "global terra network." The public would have supported that just as much as the WMD bullshit...

:elvis:

Nickdfresh

05-02-2009, 04:52 PM

No, I disagree with you there. I admit 100% that we went into Iraq under false pretenses, and I bought into it as well as probably 80% or more of the american public. You may have yourself for a second or two, but you will never tell...

I don't know why they didn't just tell the truth, that Saddam played a part in the "global terra network." The public would have supported that just as much as the WMD bullshit...

:elvis:

Saddam had almost nothing to do with the "global terror network," and what terrorism he did support was secular, "Pan-Arab Nationalist." Not Islamacist...

kwame k

05-02-2009, 06:29 PM

FORD

05-02-2009, 07:05 PM

Exactly Nick, Al-Qaeda was as much a threat to Saddam as they were to any leader in that area. Saddam was nowhere near extreme enough in his beliefs for their tastes. If anything Saddam would have been viewed as a Non-Believer.

In fact, Osama Bin Laden called Saddam "the Infidel Socialist", and probably laughed harder than anybody when Chimp invaded Iraq. (whether Osama was still on this world or in Hell by then)

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 07:43 PM

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 07:44 PM

Saddam had almost nothing to do with the "global terror network," and what terrorism he did support was secular, "Pan-Arab Nationalist." Not Islamacist...

But he support terror nontheless...

Can we agree there ??

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 07:50 PM

In fact, Osama Bin Laden called Saddam "the Infidel Socialist", and probably laughed harder than anybody when Chimp invaded Iraq. (whether Osama was still on this world or in Hell by then)

FORD, you have the ability to justify anything...

That's why many people decline to reply to your posts...

One thing i've noticed is your cheerleading for Obama has decreased , and that's good...

You ranted on about president algore more and for a much longer period of time than you have for Obama...

:elvis:

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 07:54 PM

I hope people wake up to this left / right bullshit like I did and elect Ron Paul or somebody along those lines...

Although Paul would probably get knocked off right away...

But these puppets are pre-selected anyway so it hardly matters, but Obama wont get past one term...

:elvis:

FORD

05-02-2009, 07:57 PM

FORD, you have the ability to justify anything...

That's why many people decline to reply to your posts...

I'm not justifying anything, nor do I have to. Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein absolutely fucking hated each other, and there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that they ever would have been working together. That's merely a statement of fact.

One thing i've noticed is your cheerleading for Obama has decreased , and that's good...

You ranted on about president algore more and for a much longer period of time than you have for Obama...

:elvis:

Former President Gore was robbed of his rightful term in office, and while nobody can say with 100% accuracy what he would have done in office, any honest person would admit that it would have been better than Chimpy and the BCE.

It's too early to evaluate President Obama's performance. He's done some things I like, and some I don't. Hopefully, by 2016, there will be a lot more good than bad on that list. Right now I'm more worried about the dozen or so spineless pussy fake "Democrats" in the Senate (including your own Senator Ms. Landrieu) who refuse to do what they were elected to do. But I don't want to hijack the thread, so I'll leave it there.

kwame k

05-02-2009, 07:59 PM

But he support terror nontheless...

Can we agree there ??

I can't get there from here..........there is no proof that he supported the terrorists that Bush claimed he did, hence no justification to invade his country. Now Saudi Arabia, totally funded and supported 80% of the terrorists that carried out 9/11, fact. Saddam would never fund these guys because it would of been a threat to his power, if anything he was against them.

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 08:10 PM

I'm not justifying anything, nor do I have to. Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein absolutely fucking hated each other, and there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that they ever would have been working together. That's merely a statement of fact.

Bin Laden said he had nothing to do with 911 and I tend to believe him...

Him and others like him most always take ownership of the terror they created...they sometimes seem to gloat over it...

Why did he deny it ??

:elvis:

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 08:12 PM

Former President Gore was robbed of his rightful term in office, and while nobody can say with 100% accuracy what he would have done in office, any honest person would admit that it would have been better than Chimpy and the BCE.

I know we would already be paying our bogus carbon tax...

Former President Gore...:lmao:

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 08:20 PM

I can't get there from here..........there is no proof that he supported the terrorists that Bush claimed he did, hence no justification to invade his country. Now Saudi Arabia, totally funded and supported 80% of the terrorists that carried out 9/11, fact. Saddam would never fund these guys because it would of been a threat to his power, if anything he was against them.

Saddam was paying families quite a bit of money to families for suicide bombers in Israel. That's enough right there...

But i think his selling oil on the black market is what really pissed the US off, but that's not a reason to invade with a full scale ground war, although they could have easily removed him with ground intelligence and snipers...

The US wanted a presence in that part of the world and iraq was in the right place at the right time and the Bush err...BCE did what they did. I don't really agree with it but it's done, and we're not leaving...

Those 14 military bases were not built as Iraqi playgrounds...

:elvis:

kwame k

05-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Saddam was paying families quite a bit of money to families for suicide bombers in Israel. That's enough right there...

But i think his selling oil on the black market is what really pissed the US off, but that's not a reason to invade with a full scale ground war, although they could have easily removed him with ground intelligence and snipers...

The US wanted a presence in that part of the world and iraq was in the right place at the right time and the Bush err...BCE did what they did. I don't really agree with it but it's done, and we're not leaving...

Those 14 military bases were not built as Iraqi playgrounds...

:elvis:

Well put:beers8: There's no doubt that Saddam was his own worst enemy. He misjudged what Bush was capable of doing. He tapped danced around Clinton's/UN's pussyfooting and probably thought he could do the same to Bush. Bush's administration had a hard on for Iraq within the first few months of their first term, Downing Street Memo, anyone.

I thought back in the day that we were using Iraq as a staging ground for the invasion of Iran, up until last year I thought for sure we were going to at least bomb Iran's nuclear production facilities.

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 08:36 PM

I think Israel may do just that...

kwame k

05-02-2009, 08:41 PM

I think Israel may do just that...

Geez, I don't know about that. If they bomb Iran the whole Middle East would go up like a powder keg. If that didn't happen, you can beat your ass that terrorism would increase 10 fold against Israel.

FORD

05-02-2009, 09:07 PM

Bin Laden said he had nothing to do with 911 and I tend to believe him...

Him and others like him most always take ownership of the terror they created...they sometimes seem to gloat over it...

Why did he deny it ??

:elvis:

Are you saying the BCE did it? ;)

(Of course Osama himself IS - or at least "WAS" - employed by the BCE)

FORD

05-02-2009, 09:16 PM

Geez, I don't know about that. If they bomb Iran the whole Middle East would go up like a powder keg. If that didn't happen, you can beat your ass that terrorism would increase 10 fold against Israel.

Elvis has read the Bible. (Ezekiel 38-39) He knows exactly what will happen, if Iran and their neighbors, including the big, vodka drinking country up north decide to retaliate against Israel.

However, the Bible also says something else, spoken by no less an authority than the Son of God Himself: Basically "Don't count your Armegeddon chickens before they're hatched! This is all on Dad's timetable, not mine."

So expecting an attack on Iran to guarantee an immediate JC and the Sonshine band reunion tour is really poor planning, not to mention an insult to God, not having enough faith in Him to let him fulfill His own prophecies.

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 09:42 PM

Oh yeah, you're right, and I appreciate the acknowledgement regarding the Bible...

But Armegeddon is comming whether we like it or not, and I don't believe man has any say in the matter regarding when it will start nor how, and I don't think man has the ability or authority to jump start it. It's God's time table and we're not going to change that...

I don't think the BCE did it, but yes, I believe it was set up or planned by the globalists, or the elite, or the illuminati or what ever you want to cal it...

Bush and Obama are just the puppets or spokepersons for the real group of people pulling the strings...

But i think Israel are being beaten into a corner and losing some of the support we always provided them, and they are possibly desparate to weaken Iran's nuclear prospects. And if they keep on threatening to "wipe Israel off the map" they are bound to (sooner or later) do something about it...

:elvis:

ELVIS

05-02-2009, 09:45 PM

Lemme fuel the fire a bit more...;)

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:elvis:

Baby's On Fire

05-03-2009, 11:27 AM

Elvis has read the Bible. (Ezekiel 38-39) He knows exactly what will happen, if Iran and their neighbors, including the big, vodka drinking country up north decide to retaliate against Israel.

However, the Bible also says something else, spoken by no less an authority than the Son of God Himself: Basically "Don't count your Armegeddon chickens before they're hatched! This is all on Dad's timetable, not mine."

So expecting an attack on Iran to guarantee an immediate JC and the Sonshine band reunion tour is really poor planning, not to mention an insult to God, not having enough faith in Him to let him fulfill His own prophecies.

Of course, the BIBLE. That proves it right there.

Alice in Wonderland is more reality than the Bible.

FORD

05-03-2009, 05:04 PM

Of course, the BIBLE. That proves it right there.

Alice in Wonderland is more reality than the Bible.

The issue isn't whether or not YOU believe in Biblical prophecies, but whether the fundaMENTAList wackos on this planet believe that they have to "force God's hand" and make them come true themselves.

Take John "Fat Bastard" Hagee, for example. Nobody on this planet (aside from Netanyahu) wants war with Iran more than him, because he sees it as a literal ticket to the Rapture. This is why Hagee is not only a card carrying member of AIPAC, but also founded his own organization "Christians" United For Israel, and openly solicits funds on his TV show to fund an Israeli right wing school for assassins.

Baby's On Fire

05-03-2009, 05:08 PM

Assassins are good...as long as they kill the right people for the right reasons.

Religious lunacy is not a good reason......whether it be Muslim lunacy, Christian lunacy, or any equally fucked up religious lunacy.