Homeopathy Kills Baby

[Seshmeister]

'Homeopathy' Parents Charged Over Baby Daughter Gloria's Death In Australia | World News | Sky News (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Homeopathy-Parents-Charged-Over-Baby-Daughter-Glorias-Death-In-Australia/Article/200905115276109?f=rss)


Homeopathy Couple 'Let Their Baby Girl Die'

12:16pm UK, Wednesday May 06, 2009

A couple in Australia have gone on trial charged with manslaughter after their nine-month-old baby died of septicaemia and malnutrition.

Baby Gloria's life could have been saved if her parents had sought conventional medical treatment for her even days before her death, a court has heard.

Thomas Sam, 42, and his 36-year-old wife Manju apparently shunned conventional treatment for their daughter's severe eczema in favour of homeopathic remedies.

The couple have pleaded not guilty in New South Wales state Supreme Court.

The Indian-born, university-educated pair face a maximum of 25 years each in prison if convicted.

Prosecutor Mark Tedeschi told the jury the Sams admitted Gloria to a Sydney hospital only three days before she died in May 2002.

He said "her life and her health could have been saved" with earlier proper medical attention.

The two parents were almost totally fixated on their social obligations - visiting people and traveling around - to the exclusion of any concern about Gloria's deteriorating state of health.

Prosecutor Mark Tedeschi

Any reasonable parent would have sought urgent conventional medical help as the child's health steadily deteriorated over the final five months of her life due to severe eczema, Mr Tedeschi said.

Instead, Thomas Sam, a college lecturer in homeopathy, apparently continued to consult homeopaths and natural medicine practitioners as his daughter lost 20% of her body weight.

She weighed just 11 pounds and 11 ounces when she died.

The parents rarely consulted conventional doctors and never contacted a skin specialist after a nurse noticed their previously healthy baby had developed severe eczema at age four, the prosecutor said.

The court also heard Manju Sam, a computer professional, disregarded a doctor's advice not to take the child to India to visit relatives in the final three months of her life.

"The two parents were almost totally fixated on their social obligations - visiting people and traveling around - to the exclusion of any concern about Gloria's deteriorating state of health," Mr Tedeschi said.

Homeopathy is a therapy based on a theory that diseases can be successfully treated with minute doses of substances that cause reactions in the human body similar to the disease symptoms.

Gloria became malnourished battling against frequent infections that invaded her bloodstream through skin broken by her severe rashes. The trial continues.

[Seshmeister]

I guess it's just a Darwin death but people should be taught in schools that homeopathy is a hocus pocus bullshit superstition built on incorrect assumptions guessed at in the 19th century and not a real medical treatment.

[Igosplut]

Just the kinda shit I'd like to put my health in charge of......

Just the other day a family friend (Christian science) was going on about another persons health problems (heart surgery, ect) calling them "Accidents". Me, never paying much attention to religion said "What the fuck are you talking about a heart surgery bein an accident? You poison him or something?" Needless to say, that went over big. Fucked up shit, "Well lets just PRAY that big fatty tumor right outta your body!"

On the flip side she DID take her dog to the vet, instead of trying to pray his sickness away.....

[ELVIS]

I was diagnosed with eczema as a kid and basically learned to live with until I went to nursing school. After I saw a few doctors and personally thinking I had lupus or psoriasis, it was concluded that my psoriasis suspicions were correct although to this day i'm not sure...

I have learned that the best treatment has been diet. It was at it's worst when I used to drink, whick is commonly documented...

But the treatment for eczema is nearly the same as psoriasis, and in many cases, treatment has little effect. The treatment usually consists of corticosteroids or immunomodulators like tacrolimus which is also a anti-rejection drug used for organ transplant patients. Ultraviolet light is also a treatment. But each of these treatments only lasts for the duration of the treatment and the symptoms can be worse following treatment...

Petrochemicals (such as Tide in my case) can either trigger or cause an outbreak. Plain old soap helps, althouth many people don't know what "soap" is anymore...

Homeopathy is a good way to go and although homeopathy is in the title, it is completely left out of the article...

Eczema seems to be more prevelant across the pond, probably due to high alcohol consumption...:D

But I would like to know what homeopathy methods were employed by the parents...

All I read in that story was: "The two parents were almost totally fixated on their social obligations - visiting people and traveling around - to the exclusion of any concern about...blah blah blah."

But reading that the young girl was 11 pounds and 11 ounces when she died, is cause for alarm and suspicion of neglect or abuse, regardless of a diagnosis of eczema...


:elvis:

[FORD]

Eczema? Who the hell dies from eczema? :confused12:

[ELVIS]

That's part of my point...

[kwame k]

My guess it's malnutrition, too.

[Guitar Shark]

I was diagnosed with eczema as a kid and basically learned to live with until I went to nursing school. After I saw a few doctors and personally thinking I had lupus or psoriasis, it was concluded that my psoriasis suspicions were correct although to this day i'm not sure...

I have learned that the best treatment has been diet. It was at it's worst when I used to drink, whick is commonly documented...

But the treatment for eczema is nearly the same as psoriasis, and in many cases, treatment has little effect. The treatment usually consists of corticosteroids or immunomodulators like tacrolimus which is also a anti-rejection drug used for organ transplant patients. Ultraviolet light is also a treatment. But each of these treatments only lasts for the duration of the treatment and the symptoms can be worse following treatment...

Petrochemicals (such as Tide in my case) can either trigger or cause an outbreak. Plain old soap helps, althouth many people don't know what "soap" is anymore...

Homeopathy is a good way to go and although homeopathy is in the title, it is completely left out of the article...

Eczema seems to be more prevelant across the pond, probably due to high alcohol consumption...:D

But I would like to know what homeopathy methods were employed by the parents...

All I read in that story was: "The two parents were almost totally fixated on their social obligations - visiting people and traveling around - to the exclusion of any concern about...blah blah blah."

But reading that the young girl was 11 pounds and 11 ounces when she died, is cause for alarm and suspicion of neglect or abuse, regardless of a diagnosis of eczema...


:elvis:

This post brought to you by the letters TMI and WTF!

[ELVIS]

:biggrin:

[Seshmeister]

But I would like to know what homeopathy methods were employed by the parents...


What possible difference does it make which placebo they used?

Cheers

:gulp:

[ELVIS]

Because proper nutrition and homeopathic remedies have proven to be useful...

AND because Homeopathy is in your title but not found in your article...


:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

Eczema? Who the hell dies from eczema? :confused12:

She died of septicaemia, chronic eczema and malnutrition.

[Seshmeister]

Because proper nutrition and homeopathic remedies have proven to be useful...

AND because Homeopathy is in your title but not found in your article...


:elvis:

Yes it is, the article says they shunned treatment in favor of homeopathy.

Obviously nutrition is important but homeopathy is pretend treatment. It has no medical effect. People may sometimes feel a bit better because of a placebo affect but it has no effect on the illness or condition because it can't.

A glass of water does not have a memory.

[ELVIS]

Well, eczema is not in any linked with malnutrition...

You become septic through infection, which can start with a break in the integrity of the skin, which is associated with eczema, but a four year old at 11 lbs sounds like malnutrition, neglect and the like...

[ELVIS]

Yes it is, the article says they shunned treatment in favor of homeopathy.



How did they treat the malnutrition, by not feeding her ??

[Seshmeister]

Well, eczema is not in any linked with malnutrition...

You become septic through infection, which can start with a break in the integrity of the skin, which is associated with eczema, but a four year old at 11 lbs sounds like malnutrition, neglect and the like...

Fuck I wouldn't want you reading my chart. :)

The kid was 9 months old as it says in the first line...

[Seshmeister]

How did they treat the malnutrition, by not feeding her ??

She was a baby. She probably stopped feeding because of her other conditions.

[ZahZoo]

Fuck I wouldn't want you reading my chart. :)

The kid was 9 months old as it says in the first line...

True but later in the article it says:


The parents rarely consulted conventional doctors and never contacted a skin specialist after a nurse noticed their previously healthy baby had developed severe eczema at age four, the prosecutor said.

[ELVIS]

That's what I thought...

[Seshmeister]

Must be a typo where it should say four months

The kid was definitely 9 months old.

[Seshmeister]

Cool site

What's the harm in homeopathy? (http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html)

[ELVIS]

Must be a typo where it should say four months



Well that would make it very different. But the story still doesn't add up...

If I, or any other nurse I know saw a baby with severe eczema or severe anything for that matter, I would immediately notify the doctor and if need be, the propor authorities. We have an obligation to do that...


:elvis:

[Blaze]

Well, if malnutrition was in fact the case B12 would be a factor.
And it sounds like the parents need to be examined for B12 definicy also.
My skin acting up in one of the symptoms, that I have not been paying attention to my B12 levels. And the B12 factor was a direct reason for my heart failure....

It's a shame, poor child.

B12 Deficiency Symptoms - B12 Deficiency Research (http://www.b12d.org/)

P.s. Elvis it can be related to malnutrition. Or the B12 factor. And drinking alcohol does deplete B12. And upon review of my charts, most likely my paralysis as a toddler was due to the B12 factor.

PA and other Auto-Immune Conditions

Unfortunately, sufferers of Pernicious Anaemia have a disposition towards other auto-immune conditions.

Doctors still do not know why this is the case which is why there are various research programmes being undertaken to find out why this is so. The Pernicious Anaemia Society is playing an active part in one such study which is looking for a common gene that would explain why patients of Pernicious Anaemia are prone to developing these other autoimmune conditions:

1.Tinnitus.
The patient will experience ‘ringing’ in the one or both ears. The ‘ringing’ takes many forms and includes high pitched howling or whining or whistling that can last a few seconds or hours.

2.Psoriasis.
This is where the skin regenerates itself quicker than it needs to which leads to white scaly patches appearing. Psoriasis can be chronic or occur as a ‘flare up’ especially in the spring. Various treatments are available depending on the severity of the condition and include steroid creams and UV Light therapy. The effectiveness of the various treatment regime varies from patient to patient. Associated with this is the rarer Genital Psoriasis which is fully treatable.



3.Psoriatic Arthritis.
Is associated with Psoriasis and usually develops about ten years after Psoriasis first appears and causes painful joints and sometimes swelling - especially in the fingers and toes. It is a type of inflammatory arthritis and is treated using anti-inflammatory drugs.

4.Vitiligo.
This causes irregular pale patches of skin due to loss of pigment. The exact cause is unknown but it is thought to be a combination of auto-immune and genetic conditions. Vitiligo is a chronic condition. Cosmetic make-up, steroid creams and UV light therapy are all used to treat the condition.

5. Rosacea.
The ‘curse of the Celts’ - it mainly affects people of north European ancestry - manifests itself in redness of the face and neck. Treatment depends on the type of Rosacea encountered but is mainly by antibiotics tablets and antibiotic creams.

6.Autoimmune Thyroiditis.
This is caused by either an over or under-active thyroid gland. This condition shares many of the symptoms of PA including tiredness and lack of concentration. There are different types of Thyroiditis and each type has its own treatment regime.

7. Rheumatoid Arthritis.
Where the body’s auto-immune system attacks the bone joints leading to what can be a severely painful condition that makes moving of certain parts of the body very difficult. There are various treatments used to treat RA including Cortisone therapy.

8.Coeliac Disease.
A reaction to Gluten and is characterised by chronic diarrhoea which can be a symptom of PA. A Gluten free diet is used to treat the condition.

9.Eczema.
A broad umbrella term for a wide variety of skin conditions that range from mild itching to large areas of severe red ‘angry’ skin. Various treatments are available.
PA and other Auto-Immune Conditions - Pernicious Anaemia Society (http://www.pernicious-anaemia-society.org/information/pa_and_other_auto-immune_conditions)

[Blaze]

Vitamin B12 Deficiency causes:-
Hematological
Neuro – Phychiatric
Gastro Intestinal
Genito Urinary Disease
If treatment is delayed – causes irreversible damage or fatality
Cardiac Failure
Exacerbation of Angina
Asthma (exacerbation)
Recurrent Anaemia/ Pancytopaenia
Gastric and other Cancers
Athero Sclerosis / Stroke
Cardio Vascular Disease
Osteoporosis
Post Viral Immune Deficiency Fatigue Syndrome (ME)
Dementia
Alzheimer’s
Optic Atrophy / Blindness
Dysfunctional Uterine Bleeding
Dysmenorrhoea
Unexplained Diarhoea / Colitis
Recurrent Gastritis
Pseudo Seizures
Blackouts and Faints
Subacute Combined Degeneration
Single Limb Paralysis
Naturopathic Pain
B12 Deficient Mother-Baby born with Neuro Muscular Damage
Migraine Headaches
Depression
Tinnitus
Vitiligo, Myxodema, Diabetes
http://www.b12d.org/uploads/File/B12%20Deficiency%20Presentation.pdf

[hideyoursheep]

Hematological
Neuro – Phychiatric
Gastro Intestinal
Genito Urinary Disease
If treatment is delayed – causes irreversible damage or fatality
Cardiac Failure
Exacerbation of Angina
Asthma (exacerbation)
Recurrent Anaemia/ Pancytopaenia
Gastric and other Cancers
Athero Sclerosis / Stroke
Cardio Vascular Disease
Osteoporosis
Post Viral Immune Deficiency Fatigue Syndrome (ME)
Dementia
Alzheimer’s
Optic Atrophy / Blindness
Dysfunctional Uterine Bleeding
Dysmenorrhoea
Unexplained Diarhoea / Colitis
Recurrent Gastritis
Pseudo Seizures
Blackouts and Faints
Subacute Combined Degeneration
Single Limb Paralysis
Naturopathic Pain
B12 Deficient Mother-Baby born with Neuro Muscular Damage
Migraine Headaches
Depression
Tinnitus
Vitiligo, Myxodema, Diabetes



Looks like the side effects from Lipitor.....

[Seshmeister]

What is this - House? :)

[Igosplut]

I have enough Tinnitus from a lifetime of loud motorcycles, music, ect to drown out even the most annoying mother in law....

I've learned to live with it, but it sure can be a pain in the ass sometimes...

[Ally_Kat]

5. Rosacea.
The ‘curse of the Celts’ - it mainly affects people of north European ancestry - manifests itself in redness of the face and neck. Treatment depends on the type of Rosacea encountered but is mainly by antibiotics tablets and antibiotic creams.



Vitamin B12 Deficiency causes:-

Asthma (exacerbation)

Migraine Headaches


Keratosis Pilaris is also caused by lack of B12

Huh. I'm kinda interested know if that's the underlining cause for those in me cuz I got slammed by all four within a short period of time.

I don't do antibiotic cream or pills for my rosacea, tho. I take a pill that's a combo of vitamins and minerals that is said to be deficiencies in people with the condition. B12 is in it.

[Blaze]

Ally Cat, you might want to pop over to one of those forums and on the links provided.

I do not know your medical situation, for example are you free spending, on a budget, insured or otherwise concerning medical tests. Ideally, a full blood work up or at the very least the B12 tests for a base line and to add to the data. IF B12 is a solution for you. However, if you are dependent on a medical care that is limited and this is not an option or an option not worth the hassle to acquire... I would pop over there and see what others are saying.

When my Mom called her doctor and he stated and I quote "It will only make you feel better" I was floored. Yet, he will shoot her up with cortisone. :( Ouch!
B12 is a very inexpensive solution, that is not explored by for profit drug companies. It always annoys me when I hear the commercials for tingling feet and the "new prescription" drug for it.

My dosage and case is possibly an anomaly, so, its best I am reserved with that information.

[Dr. Love]

I was diagnosed with eczema as a kid and basically learned to live with until I went to nursing school. After I saw a few doctors and personally thinking I had lupus or psoriasis, it was concluded that my psoriasis suspicions were correct although to this day i'm not sure...

I have learned that the best treatment has been diet. It was at it's worst when I used to drink, whick is commonly documented...

But the treatment for eczema is nearly the same as psoriasis, and in many cases, treatment has little effect. The treatment usually consists of corticosteroids or immunomodulators like tacrolimus which is also a anti-rejection drug used for organ transplant patients. Ultraviolet light is also a treatment. But each of these treatments only lasts for the duration of the treatment and the symptoms can be worse following treatment...

Petrochemicals (such as Tide in my case) can either trigger or cause an outbreak. Plain old soap helps, althouth many people don't know what "soap" is anymore...

Homeopathy is a good way to go and although homeopathy is in the title, it is completely left out of the article...

Eczema seems to be more prevelant across the pond, probably due to high alcohol consumption...:D

But I would like to know what homeopathy methods were employed by the parents...

All I read in that story was: "The two parents were almost totally fixated on their social obligations - visiting people and traveling around - to the exclusion of any concern about...blah blah blah."

But reading that the young girl was 11 pounds and 11 ounces when she died, is cause for alarm and suspicion of neglect or abuse, regardless of a diagnosis of eczema...


:elvis:

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4500000/Nunca-es-Lupus-house-md-4506643-331-252.jpg

[ZahZoo]

The medical discussions are interesting, although it's starting to sound like conversations among older adults that get more common with age...

[Seshmeister]

You would know... :)

[Nickdfresh]

When I first saw this thread, I thought it said "homopathetic," and thought it was about GAR.

a.) I do believe in a minimalist approach to health and that the drug industry is full of marketing bullshit...

b.) if your child is sick and not getting better, you need to see a fucking doctor ASAP! No ifs, ands, or buts....

[FORD]

In the neighborhood where I grew up we had some neighbors that were in some bizarre cultish church. As far as I know, most of their beliefs were in line with typical Christian doctrine, except for the total rejection of medical treatment. No doctors, no hospitals, they literally expected God to heal them.

The patriarch of this family died in his early 70's of something like pneumonia or bronchitis or whatever. Probably nothing that couldn't have been cleared up with one bottle of antibiotics. A few years later his son's wife got breast cancer. Even this couldn't force them to seek medical treatment, and the woman suffered needlessly until she was dead. I suspect some of his adult children haven't forgiven him to this day for letting her die like that, though I haven't seen any of them in years.

Now I have my own problems with the drug companies and the health care for profit industry, but to be opposed to anti-biotics or treatment for cancer, that's just completely fucking stupid. Of course my cultish neighbor remarried and had 4 or 5 kids with his second wife. My parents don't live in that neighborhood anymore, so I haven't kept up with the local gossip, but last I heard, he was raising the second litter of kids in the cult just like the first... no medical care, no TV, no computers, and I believe they're home schooled. Think "Amish with electricity". And they'll fit into the real world just as well, probably.

[ELVIS]

Well, I do believe in the Power Of Prayer...

I read an article in Time Magazine a few years back that reported something like 60% of practicing physicians in this country believe that religion and spirituality influence patient's health...

The article also went on the explain that a similar percentage (above 50%) have witnessed sudden or "miraculous healing" that they could not explain...

I just always say pray on the way to the doctor or hospital and get healed twice as fast...

But, I know a few cases where people have refused medical treatment, and to me personally, that's fine, for themselves. But if it involves children, or the elderly, or whoever, that's neglect and possibly abuse...

I know one thing though. You're going to have to find me in the swamp before I take any mandatory bird, swine, human, whale, seagull, FORD, west nile, or Sesh flu vaccine...


:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

Well don't let little things like facts and truth get in the way of your crazy ideas. :)



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html


Long-Awaited Medical Study Questions the Power of Prayer

By BENEDICT CAREY
Published: March 31, 2006

Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found.

And patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.

Because it is the most scientifically rigorous investigation of whether prayer can heal illness, the study, begun almost a decade ago and involving more than 1,800 patients, has for years been the subject of speculation.

The question has been a contentious one among researchers. Proponents have argued that prayer is perhaps the most deeply human response to disease, and that it may relieve suffering by some mechanism that is not yet understood. Skeptics have contended that studying prayer is a waste of money and that it presupposes supernatural intervention, putting it by definition beyond the reach of science.

At least 10 studies of the effects of prayer have been carried out in the last six years, with mixed results. The new study was intended to overcome flaws in the earlier investigations. The report was scheduled to appear in The American Heart Journal next week, but the journal's publisher released it online yesterday.

In a hurriedly convened news conference, the study's authors, led by Dr. Herbert Benson, a cardiologist and director of the Mind/Body Medical Institute near Boston, said that the findings were not the last word on the effects of so-called intercessory prayer. But the results, they said, raised questions about how and whether patients should be told that prayers were being offered for them.

"One conclusion from this is that the role of awareness of prayer should be studied further," said Dr. Charles Bethea, a cardiologist at Integris Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City and a co-author of the study.

Other experts said the study underscored the question of whether prayer was an appropriate subject for scientific study.

"The problem with studying religion scientifically is that you do violence to the phenomenon by reducing it to basic elements that can be quantified, and that makes for bad science and bad religion," said Dr. Richard Sloan, a professor of behavioral medicine at Columbia and author of a forthcoming book, "Blind Faith: The Unholy Alliance of Religion and Medicine."

The study cost $2.4 million, and most of the money came from the John Templeton Foundation, which supports research into spirituality. The government has spent more than $2.3 million on prayer research since 2000.

Dean Marek, a chaplain at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., and a co-author of the report, said the study said nothing about the power of personal prayer or about prayers for family members and friends.

Working in a large medical center like Mayo, Mr. Marek said, "You hear tons of stories about the power of prayer, and I don't doubt them."

In the study, the researchers monitored 1,802 patients at six hospitals who received coronary bypass surgery, in which doctors reroute circulation around a clogged vein or artery.

The patients were broken into three groups. Two were prayed for; the third was not. Half the patients who received the prayers were told that they were being prayed for; half were told that they might or might not receive prayers.

The researchers asked the members of three congregations — St. Paul's Monastery in St. Paul; the Community of Teresian Carmelites in Worcester, Mass.; and Silent Unity, a Missouri prayer ministry near Kansas City — to deliver the prayers, using the patients' first names and the first initials of their last names.

The congregations were told that they could pray in their own ways, but they were instructed to include the phrase, "for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications."

Analyzing complications in the 30 days after the operations, the researchers found no differences between those patients who were prayed for and those who were not.

In another of the study's findings, a significantly higher number of the patients who knew that they were being prayed for — 59 percent — suffered complications, compared with 51 percent of those who were uncertain. The authors left open the possibility that this was a chance finding. But they said that being aware of the strangers' prayers also may have caused some of the patients a kind of performance anxiety.

"It may have made them uncertain, wondering am I so sick they had to call in their prayer team?" Dr. Bethea said.

The study also found that more patients in the uninformed prayer group — 18 percent — suffered major complications, like heart attack or stroke, compared with 13 percent in the group that did not receive prayers. In their report, the researchers suggested that this finding might also be a result of chance.

One reason the study was so widely anticipated was that it was led by Dr. Benson, who in his work has emphasized the soothing power of personal prayer and meditation.

At least one earlier study found lower complication rates in patients who received intercessory prayers; others found no difference. A 1997 study at the University of New Mexico, involving 40 alcoholics in rehabilitation, found that the men and women who knew they were being prayed for actually fared worse.

The new study was rigorously designed to avoid problems like the ones that came up in the earlier studies. But experts said the study could not overcome perhaps the largest obstacle to prayer study: the unknown amount of prayer each person received from friends, families, and congregations around the world who pray daily for the sick and dying.

Bob Barth, the spiritual director of Silent Unity, the Missouri prayer ministry, said the findings would not affect the ministry's mission.

"A person of faith would say that this study is interesting," Mr. Barth said, "but we've been praying a long time and we've seen prayer work, we know it works, and the research on prayer and spirituality is just getting started."

[ELVIS]

You should keep that article handy, Sesh. Keep it in your back pocket in case of an emergency. I'm sure the Creator will be amused...:)

But Sesh, this is the kind of material that Satan loves to see because it has the power to divide people who are otherwise friends and even family. Especially in times of crisis when people are in dispair. It's a huge distraction as well, because the left hand doesn't see what the right hand is doing...

I mean, we're doing it right now...


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

How do you like that...I post "satan loves" and Right Now in the same post...:biggrin:

[ELVIS]

So, I suppose Obama is a vampire (http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/us_world/Jesus-Missing-From-Obamas-Georgetown-Speech.html) or something...

Amidst all of the American flags and presidential seals, there was something missing when President Barack Obama gave an economic speech at Georgetown University this week -- Jesus.

http://media.eyeblast.org/resources/46673.jpg

http://media.eyeblast.org/resources/46672.jpg

The White House asked Georgetown to cover a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name in Gaston Hall, which Obama used for his speech, according to CNSNews.com.

The gold "IHS" monogram inscribed on a pediment in the hall was covered over by a piece of black-painted plywood, and remained covered over the next day, CNSNews.com reported.


:elvis:

[FORD]

Or maybe he didn't want any more bullshit like this circulating through the whore media.....

http://1redthread.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/obamahalo1.jpg

Unlike Chimpy, I don't think Obama wants the religious lunatics to think he's acting on direct orders from God.

[Seshmeister]

You should keep that article handy, Sesh. Keep it in your back pocket in case of an emergency. I'm sure the Creator will be amused...:)

But Sesh, this is the kind of material that Satan loves to see because it has the power to divide people who are otherwise friends and even family. Especially in times of crisis when people are in dispair. It's a huge distraction as well, because the left hand doesn't see what the right hand is doing...

I mean, we're doing it right now...


:elvis:



So Satan likes peer reviewed scientific research conducted with sound methodology but God finds it amusing?

Satan? - good grief.

He's a big red monster that lives underground in a cave or something - right? :)

[kwame k]

So Satan likes peer reviewed scientific research conducted with sound methodology but God finds it amusing?

Satan? - good grief.

He's a big red monster that lives underground in a cave or something - right? :)


Right.

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[Seshmeister]

Even the religious leaders here don't believe in a living Satan monster character.

Some of you Americans are really out there but we knew that already... :)

[Satan]

I don't live in a cave.

I live in a penthouse condo on the shore of the Lake of Fire. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d065.gif

[ELVIS]

So Satan likes peer reviewed scientific research conducted with sound methodology but God finds it amusing?

The first sentence in my post was for a laugh, get it ??

Satan? - good grief.

I knew you would get a kick out of that as well...

Is "god of this world" any better for your sophisticated taste ??

He's a big red monster that lives underground in a cave or something - right? :)

Not that I know of...




:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

The first sentence in my post was for a laugh, get it ??

Sorry I'm finding it impossible these days to work out which statements you make are your deeply held beliefs and which are just a joke... :)

[ZahZoo]

The devil's in the details..?

[Satan]

The devil's in the details..?

I usually am. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif