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sadaist
05-25-2009, 09:34 PM
UN Security Council condemns NKorea nuke test

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer Edith M. Lederer, Associated Press Writer – 48 mins ago

UNITED NATIONS – The U.N. Security Council swiftly condemned North Korea's nuclear test on Monday as "a clear violation" of a 2006 resolution and said it will start work immediately on another one that could result in new sanctions against the reclusive nation.

Hours after North Korea defiantly conducted its second test, its closest allies China and Russia joined Western powers and representatives from the rest of the world on the council to voice strong opposition to the underground explosion.

After a brief emergency meeting held at Japan's request, the council demanded that North Korea abide by two previous resolutions, which among other things called for Pyongyang to abandon all nuclear weapons and return to six-party talks aimed at eliminating its nuclear program.

It also called on all other U.N. member states to abide by sanctions imposed on the North, including embargoes on arms and material that could be used in its nuclear and ballistic missile programs and ship searches for banned weapons.

In an AP interview in Copenhagen, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon deplored the test as a "grave violation" of council resolutions and called on the council in a statement to send "a strong and unified message" aimed at achieving the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula and peace and security in the region.

Ban urged the North "to refrain from taking any actions which will deteriorate the situation."

Leaders in the United States, European Union and Russia also offered quick and pointed criticism. Even China's foreign ministry joined the chorus of disapproval, saying it "resolutely opposed" the test.

"North Korea is directly and recklessly challenging the international community," President Barack Obama said in a statement. "North Korea's behavior increases tensions and undermines stability in Northeast Asia."

In Brussels, the EU's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, denounced the test as a flagrant violation of Security Council resolutions.

Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, the current Security Council president, made clear in a statement that the council's condemnation was only an initial response, and that more will follow. He said it was too early to give any specifics.

"The members of the Security Council have decided to start work immediately on a Security Council resolution on this matter," he said.

U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice said the 15-member council agreed that work on the new resolution will begin Tuesday.

"What we heard today was swift, clear, unequivocal condemnation and opposition to what occurred," she said.

France's deputy U.N. ambassador Jean-Pierre Lacroix said France wants the new resolution to "include new sanctions ... because this behavior must have a cost and a price to pay."

Japan's U.N. Ambassador Yukio Takasu, a non-permanent council member, said his country was pleased that the rest of the council agreed there should be a new resolution. But he noted that sanctions imposed against three North Korean companies after Pyongyang's missile test in April obviously had no effect.

"So therefore I think we really have to think very carefully what will be an effective way to deal with this kind of behavior," he said. "We have to do something more, and the question is what is more."

Churkin was asked whether Russia viewed the nuclear test as more serious than the North's launch of a missile in April.

"This is a very rare occurrence as you know, and it goes contrary not only to resolutions of the Security Council but also the (Nuclear) Nonproliferation Treaty and the (Nuclear) Test Ban Treaty," he replied. "We are one of the founding fathers — Russia is — of those documents, so we think they're extremely important in current international relations. So anything which would undermine the regimes of those two treaties is very serious and needs to have a strong response."

Before the council meeting, the five permanent veto-wielding members of the council — the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France — met behind closed doors for over an hour with the ambassadors of Japan and South Korea.

North Korea claimed the underground nuclear test Monday that was much larger than one it conducted in 2006, which led to the first U.N. sanctions resolution. Russia's Defense Ministry confirmed an atomic explosion occurred early Monday in northeastern North Korea and estimated that its strength was similar to bombs that devastated Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II.

After the council rebuked Pyongyang for its April 5 rocket liftoff, which many nations saw as a cover for testing its long-range missile technology, North Korea announced it was quitting disarmament talks and restarting its atomic facilities. The six-party talks, which began in 2003, had involved North Korea, South Korea, Russia, China, Japan, and the United States.

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sadaist
05-25-2009, 09:39 PM
Apologies on the article. Everything I found was opinion pieces and I couldn't find one just based on the initial event. My fault, being lazy again. Anyways, thoughts?

Nickdfresh
05-25-2009, 10:12 PM
dupity dupe

Nickdfresh
05-25-2009, 10:12 PM
I think it was "the news" today as it was a holiday weekend....

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Yoo rike my muck-clear reapons, ywoo fwuking ossholes?

Nitro Express
05-26-2009, 12:33 AM
It's not news unless they nuke South Korea or Japan.

sadaist
05-26-2009, 01:30 AM
I saw one analyst today state that this test was not so much a show of force or defiance against the US, South Korea or Japan, but more of a "hey, who wants to buy our nuclear stuff" to Iran & the likes. Since North Korea is dirt poor, I can see them wanting to sell some stuff on the sly. Especially since it would most likely be to enemies of the US.

FORD
05-26-2009, 02:27 AM
I think Darth Cheney and friends are cranking up the Whore Media mighty fear machine again. Last week it was the hysteria over the "New York Terra Cell" which turned out to be another steaming pile of entrapment bullshit with some lunatic off his meds, and never constituted any actual threat. Now you got another Kim Jung Loony firecracker. Meanwhile, the true genocidal madman, Benji NuttyYahoo is openly declaring his intention to encourage Jewish settlements in Palestinian territory, and also to bomb the living shit out of Iran just because he feels like it.

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sadaist
05-26-2009, 03:04 PM
Meanwhile, the true genocidal madman, Benji NuttyYahoo is openly declaring his intention to encourage Jewish settlements in Palestinian territory, and also to bomb the living shit out of Iran just because he feels like it.


Sounds a bit like Ahmedinejad.

Seshmeister
05-26-2009, 05:10 PM
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FORD
05-26-2009, 05:37 PM
Sounds a bit like Ahmedinejad.

Except NuttyYahoo is actually in charge of his government, and actually has the weapons to back up his insane rhetoric. And unfortunately, probably could depend on the US to cover his ass no matter what sort of crazy shit he does.

Ahmadinnerjacket has none of these things. And hopefully by this time next month, he'll be the ex-figurehead.

Nickdfresh
05-26-2009, 09:27 PM
I saw one analyst today state that this test was not so much a show of force or defiance against the US, South Korea or Japan, but more of a "hey, who wants to buy our nuclear stuff" to Iran & the likes. Since North Korea is dirt poor, I can see them wanting to sell some stuff on the sly. Especially since it would most likely be to enemies of the US.

You don't make nukes to sell them, you'll NEVER get anywhere near the return on the investment of developing and producing them. You make nukes to be a member of a club and to have one final trump card to deal while the rest of the nation festers and decays more an more into a miserable, shitty failure.

I also think that the DPRK has a very limited supply of plutonium and all that...

sadaist
05-26-2009, 09:39 PM
Anyone remember that picture of North Korea at night from a satellite? Pretty dark.

ULTRAMAN VH
05-27-2009, 08:01 AM
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May 27, 6:14 AM EDT


Report: North Korea restarts nuclear plant

By HYUNG-JIN KIM
Associated Press Writer

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea launched a tirade Wednesday against world powers threatening to punish it for conducting its second nuclear test, saying it is not afraid of sanctions and calling South Korea's decision to join an operation to prevent the spread of weapons a declaration of war.

The North also has reportedly restarted its weapons-grade nuclear plant. It staged a rally in its capital, Pyongyang, on Tuesday to celebrate the test.

The isolated communist regime said through its official news agency that it would respond with military action if South Korea tries to stop or search any of its ships as part of the U.S.-led Proliferation Security Initiative.

"Those who provoke (North Korea) once will not be able to escape its unimaginable and merciless punishment," the North's official news agency said.

South Korea decided to join the anti-proliferation initiative on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, South Korea's mass-circulation Chosun Ilbo newspaper reported Wednesday that U.S. spy satellites detected signs of steam at the North's Yongbyon nuclear complex, an indication that it may have started reprocessing nuclear fuel.

The report, which could not be confirmed, quoted an unidentified government official. South Korea's Yonhap news agency also had a similar report.

The move would be a major setback for efforts aimed at getting North Korea to disarm.

North Korea had stopped reprocessing fuel rods as part of an international deal. In 2007, it agreed to disable the Yongbyon reactor in exchange for aid and demolished a cooling tower at the complex.

The North has about 8,000 spent fuel rods which, if reprocessed, could allow it to harvest 13 to 18 pounds (six to eight kilograms) of plutonium - enough to make at least one nuclear bomb, experts said. North Korea is believed to have enough plutonium for at least a half dozen atomic bombs.

Further ratcheting up tensions, North Korea has test-fired five short-range missiles over the past two days, South Korean officials confirmed.

North Korea suggested that more missile tests could be planned, telling ships to stay away from waters off its west coast through Wednesday, according to South Korea's coast guard.

The North's moves have brought a wave of international reproach.

In New York, the U.N. Security Council is discussing a resolution that could include new sanctions.

Ambassadors from the five permanent veto-wielding council members - the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France - as well as Japan and South Korea are expected to meet again soon to work out the details.

Council members, after condemning the test on Monday, said they would follow up with a new legally binding resolution.

China and Russia, both allies of North Korea, slammed it for going ahead with the blast.

Moscow's U.N. ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, who is also the Security Council president, said the 15-member body would begin work quickly on a new resolution, according to ITAR-Tass.

He declined to say if additional sanctions were discussed.

China also said it "resolutely opposed" the nuclear test. But it was unclear how far it would go in sanctioning its neighbor.

Experts said past sanctions have had poor results because they weren't fully implemented and because North Korea is already one of the most isolated countries in the world.

Kim Sung-han, an international relations professor at Seoul's Korea University, said U.N. resolution 1718, adopted after the North's first nuclear test in 2006, has strong elements but has not been strictly observed.

He said the success of any sanctions would depend on how aggressively China implements them.

"It's not going too far to say that China holds all keys in sanctions," he said.

Details of Monday's nuclear test may take days to confirm.

Russian defense officials said the blast was roughly as strong as the bombs dropped on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II and was stronger than North Korea's first test in 2006. Other experts said that was probably an overestimate, and put the blast closer in strength to the first test.

North Korea seemed unconcerned by the condemnation.

A large crowd of Pyongyang residents, including senior military and party officials, gathered Tuesday in a stadium to celebrate the nuclear test.

Choe Thae Bok, a high-ranking party official, was quoted by North Korea's official news agency as saying that the nuclear test "was a grand undertaking" to protect the country against "the U.S. imperialists' unabated threat to mount a pre-emptive nuclear attack and (put) sanctions and pressure upon it."

A North Korean newspaper, Minju Joson, said in a commentary Wednesday that Pyongyang does not fear repercussions.

"It is a laughable delusion for the United States to think that it can get us to kneel with sanctions," it said. "We've been living under U.S. sanctions for decades, but have firmly safeguarded our ideology and system while moving our achievements forward. The U.S. sanctions policy toward North Korea is like striking a rock with a rotten egg."

The Associated Press | The essential global news network (http://www.ap.org)

Nickdfresh
05-27-2009, 09:23 AM
I merged the last post-thread into this one, since I doubt we need more than one thread on North Korea...

sadaist
05-27-2009, 04:03 PM
Here are some interesting tidbits being presented as facts. I guess it's all in the source you use. Always three sides to a story. Theirs, ours, and the truth. The last one I posted here is my favorite.:biggrin:

Are North Koreans Poor?

By international standards, DPRK citizens enjoy a very high standard of living. In Socialist Korea, the state guarantees all citizens the right to quality healthcare, education, stipends for the disabled, retirement pensions and access to recreational facilities, as well as a wide array of other state-supported services. Indeed, DPRK citizens are guaranteed many provisions that are uncommon in many developed capitalist societies, which are home to real poverty. Unlike in many countries of the capitalist world, the DPRK is a state free of homelessness, unemployment, prostitution and starvation.


Why North Korea has nuclear weapons.

After the US failed to fulfill the terms in the Agreed Framework by supplying two light-water reactors to the DPRK as compensation for the discontinuing of Korean nuclear power, the DPRK withdrew in October 2002 from the NPT and thus restarted its own energy-producing program, and then started to recycle spent fuel-rods.
The DPRK has a nuclear deterrence as a life-insurance to protect the motherland. The US, who put the country inside the "Axis of Evil", and is threatening with a nuclear holocaust pre-emptive strike has created this situation and made this neccessary. The situation is no less serious because the US side has nuclear weapons and other missiles stationed in South Korea.

DPR Korea FAQ (http://www.korea-dpr.com/faq.htm#1)


1. Can I get a signed photograph from Leader Kim Jong IL?

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hideyoursheep
05-28-2009, 02:55 AM
North Korea must be tired of living.

GAR
05-28-2009, 03:07 AM
Meanwhile, the true genocidal madman, Benji NuttyYahoo is openly declaring his intention to encourage Jewish settlements in Palestinian territory, and also to bomb the living shit out of Iran just because he feels like it.


Yeah, Netanyahu has nothing to fear from Iran's Ahmadinejad threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, or his desire for world chaos to conjure the demon known in the Koran as the 12th Iman up from hell with a nuclear blast on Israel, either.

Nope, that sounds pretty sane.

sadaist
05-28-2009, 03:25 AM
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8430/mushroomcloud3px0.jpg

Whew! That puts my mind at ease. I forgot that small nukes can't kill anyone.

Seshmeister
05-28-2009, 04:16 AM
Yeah, Netanyahu has nothing to fear from Iran's Ahmadinejad threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, or his desire for world chaos to conjure the demon known in the Koran as the 12th Iman up from hell with a nuclear blast on Israel, either.



Yeah but he didn't say that and he doesn't run Iran.

Seshmeister
05-28-2009, 04:18 AM
North Korea must be tired of living.

Or maybe they noticed that if the US doesn't like you then you better get some nukes or expect to be bombed.

Nickdfresh
05-28-2009, 10:04 AM
A pretty good article speculating on what's up with North Korea:

β€˜150-day battle’: N. Korea succession drama? - North Korea- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30968580/)

ZahZoo
05-28-2009, 12:03 PM
The article Nick linked is probably pretty dead on... preping for sucsession. In addition the missle firing and nuke test support one of their other initiatives... economic stimulous... what better way to advertise expensive military gear then a few public test firings!!

Nitro Express
05-29-2009, 02:33 AM
I think Darth Cheney and friends are cranking up the Whore Media mighty fear machine again. Last week it was the hysteria over the "New York Terra Cell" which turned out to be another steaming pile of entrapment bullshit with some lunatic off his meds, and never constituted any actual threat. Now you got another Kim Jung Loony firecracker. Meanwhile, the true genocidal madman, Benji NuttyYahoo is openly declaring his intention to encourage Jewish settlements in Palestinian territory, and also to bomb the living shit out of Iran just because he feels like it.

http://messengerandadvocate.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/darth-cheney.JPG
You will feel the power of the Dark Side, or you can go fuck yourself!

The casba will rock and the kim chee will fly. Then the Haliburton empire will have another excuse to respond and meddle some more.

WACF
05-29-2009, 09:37 AM
The article Nick linked is probably pretty dead on... preping for sucsession. In addition the missle firing and nuke test support one of their other initiatives... economic stimulous... what better way to advertise expensive military gear then a few public test firings!!


I was think the same thing...this is a sales pitch...

GAR
05-30-2009, 12:47 AM
The Airforce has already flown an AWACS plane thru the atmosphere adjacent to the test site, detecting no radiation or at least on an inconclusive amount of released ionization usually present at all nuclear tests.

They're handling this like one handles a mental patient acting up before the next scheduled shot of Thorazine. And right on cue, just one year past their last huge humanitarian food shipment.