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Mr Walker
05-29-2009, 10:06 AM
OZZY OSBOURNE Sues TONY IOMMI Over Ownership Of BLACK SABBATH Name - May 29, 2009
According to the New York Post, Ozzy Osbourne has filed a lawsuit against his BLACK SABBATH bandmate Tony Iommi, claiming that Iommi illegally took sole ownership of the band's name in a filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Osbourne is suing Iommi for a 50 percent interest in the "Black Sabbath" trademark, along with a portion of Iommi's profits from use of the name.

The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996.

Iommi and Geezer Butler have both said some less than kind things about working with Osbourne in a new interview with Decibel magazine. The pair recently completed a new studio album as HEAVEN & HELL, the post-Ozzy version of SABBATH featuring vocalist Ronnie James Dio, and Butler said that working with Dio was much easier than Osbourne. He explained, "Ronnie's a songwriter in his own right — he's got tons of ideas. Whereas Ozzy . . . in the old days, he'd come up with a vocal line and I'd write the lyrics. Ronnie is 100 percent involved in both the musical side and the vocal side, and he writes his own lyrics as well."

Butler added that Osbourne didn't take him seriously as a songwriter, saying, "If we were with Ozzy and I came in with the killer riff of all time, Ozzy wouldn't even think of doing it because I'm not the guitarist and that's the way he thinks . . . That's why it was so bloody hard to write anything."

Butler said about HEAVEN & HELL's debut CD, "The Devil You Know", "If we'd written this album with Ozzy, we'd still be working on the first track."

Iommi added that there was a sharp difference between the singers live as well, saying, "It was great being with Ozzy on the road . . . but with Ronnie it's a lot different, because we go out and we know exactly what we're gonna be doing. With Ozzy, we didn't really know. It was touch and go sometimes on some of those early shows, whether he was gonna turn up, if he'd be able to sing, if his voice was gone, or what. We'd have to cancel shows, which Geezer and myself really hated. But with Ronnie, we've never canceled a show."

HEAVEN & HELL will tour Europe later this spring and summer, with North American dates scheduled for August.

Ozzy Osbourne is currently working on his next solo album.

kwame k
05-29-2009, 10:28 AM
Jesus Christ! Ozzy was a big element to Sabbath's success but what would Sabbath be without the riffs. Nothing. That whole band was the reason for it's success. Every member created something that was truly unique for it's time. Dio with Sabbath was successful and from the sounds of it, a much better fit.

You know Sharron is behind all of this. Fucking cunt!

WACF
05-29-2009, 11:26 AM
Unreal...

I actually thought Iommi had the rights to the name...I seem to recall him saying they could of continued calling the band Black Sabbath but chose H&H...

This has twat all over it...someone should egg her...

Coyote
05-29-2009, 11:29 AM
Fubar.

LoungeMachine
05-29-2009, 11:32 AM
$


Plain and simple.

The lawyers will see the majority of what comes from this...

:gulp:

binnie
05-29-2009, 11:58 AM
What's the matter, not got enough money?

Fucking pathetic.

sonrisa salvaje
05-29-2009, 12:15 PM
This is bullshit. Why didn't Ozzy do it after he left and went solo and they carried on with Ronnie? Why didn't he do it after Ian Gillan, Glenn Hughes, and then 5 albums with Tony Martin? Why not after the success of Dehumanizer? This is f'ing insane and Sharon has to be behind it. No way Ozzy just all of a sudden got a hair up his ass and decided to file suit when he has only made one record with them in 30 years.
After the quality of Black Rain he should file suit against himself for impersonating a heavy metal singer. :fufu:

sonrisa salvaje
05-29-2009, 12:19 PM
Maybe he should also sue the producers of Weekend at Bernies and the ensuing sequel. Everyone knows Ozzy has been dead for years. Fuck i'm pissed.

katie
05-29-2009, 12:20 PM
I read in Paranoid: Black Days With Sabbath & Other Horror Stories
By Mick Wall that Ozzy was paid off to the sum of £80,000 in 1979.

He signed the contract relinquishing his rights to the name Sabbath.

Each member has done a similar deal over the years giving Tony sole ownership.

The link below is another legal fight Tony is involved with, this time with Netwerk Inc & Live Nation.

These are the court papers that were filed in Dec 2008. They detail Tony's ownership of the Sabbath name etc.

Link - Complaint Black Sabbath (http://www.scribd.com/doc/9023418/Complaint-Black-Sabbath)

Vinnie Velvet
05-29-2009, 01:26 PM
Tony's not even using the name these days with Dio ('Heaven and Hell') so what's the point?

I guess, as Lounge put it, its all about $$$$$.

I take it Oz's new reality show is not taking very well not to mention his recent CD sales.

Or maybe there is a hint of jealousy over Tony and Geezer's success with Dio again.

kwame k
05-29-2009, 01:37 PM
Tony's not even using the name these days with Dio ('Heaven and Hell') so what's the point?

I guess, as Lounge put it, its all about $$$$$.

I take it Oz's new reality show is not taking very well not to mention his recent CD sales.

Or maybe there is a hint of jealousy over Tony and Geezer's success with Dio again.
Bingo but it's Sharron who is pissed not Ozzy. I doubt he even knows that Dio and Sabbath are together.

diamondsgirl
05-29-2009, 05:56 PM
Just yesterday I was talking to my daughter (she's 15 and has a huge interest in classic rock) about Sabbath.

Most girls would ask things like "Mommy, how do butterflies get their wings?"

My daughter asks "Mommy, who was playing lead guitar on War Pigs?" :biggrin:

Anyway...I'll have to add this little "current event" to our history lesson.

It does suck, and sounds more like $haron than Ozzy.

Mr Badguy
05-29-2009, 05:57 PM
What would be funnier is if the first person who called John Osbourne "Ozzy" showed up and decided to sue him for use of that name.

That would be justice.

Hasn`t Oz got enough money already, for fucks sake?

Ozzy is the new Gene Simmons, only 100 times worse.

indeedido
05-29-2009, 06:08 PM
:dafinger:

FORD
05-29-2009, 06:18 PM
How does Ozzy figure he owns 50% of the name?

I could understand it if he claimed 25%, and that Geezer and Bill Ward would each be entitled to 25% also. And I definitely agree with Ozzy that the band should have never been called "Black Sabbath" after the original split, and a complete joke to call it that on any of the Iommi solo albums (and that's what they were) from 1986 to 1995. (Dehumanizer notwithstanding - that was a "Heaven & Hell" album)

But this is obviously a Sharon cash grab. Ozzy probably wasn't even in the lawyer's office when they wrote up the lawsuit.

Mr. Vengeance
05-29-2009, 07:19 PM
This is Sharon's fucking greed. The same fucking greed that keeps Ozzy making albums and on the road, despite the fact that he's DONE and making a laughing stock out of himself.

It seems to me that Ozzy agreed to do the last Sabbath reunion tour on the condition that Tony retire the Sabbath name. Tony has done that. They called the Dio reunion H&H.

What's Ozzy's beef? I guarantee you he has none. It's that cunt looking for more $$$$$$

katie
05-29-2009, 07:25 PM
OZZY SPEAKS ABOUT BLACK SABBATH TRADEMARK ISSUE

MAY 29, 2009, 9:12 pm
Below is my official press statement on the official Black Sabbath trademark lawsuit. I am very saddened that I’ve had to take legal action against Tony. This is something that I’ve tried to avoid for years. I am not Geezer or Bill’s voice. However, till the day I die I will not change my mind on this issue. The Black Sabbath trademark should be equally owned by Geezer, Bill, Tony and I as the true Black Sabbath lineup is Tony, Geezer, Bill and I. We’ve all been mates since school. I’ve always said there is an invisible thread that holds us together. Tony, lets get this ridiculous issue sorted and move on with our lives. You’re 61, I’m 60. I hope that we’ve got a good 20 years left in us. But if not, God Forbid something happens to you. What’s going to happen to the Black Sabbath trademark? Who’s going to oversee it? Don’t you think after we’re long gone the rights should stay in your family, my family, Bill’s family and Geezer’s family?

Statement from OZZY OSBOURNE:

“It is with great regret that I had to resort to legal action against my long term partner, Tony Iommi, but after three years of trying to resolve this issue amicably, I feel I have no other recourse. As of the mid-1990’s, after constant and numerous changes in band members, the brand of "Black Sabbath" was literally in the toilet and Tony Iommi (touring under the name Black Sabbath) was reduced to performing in clubs. Since 1997 when Geezer, Bill and myself rejoined the band, Black Sabbath has returned to its former glory as we headlined sold-out arenas and amphitheatres playing to upwards of 50,000 people at each show around the world. We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name “Black Sabbath” which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively. Throughout the last 12 years, it was my management representatives who oversaw the marketing and quality control of the “Black Sabbath” brand through OZZFEST, touring, merchandising and album reissues. The name "Black Sabbath" now has a worldwide prestige and merchandising value that it would not have had by continuing on the road it was on prior to the 1997 reunion tour. Tony, I am so sorry it’s had to get to this point by me having to take this action against you. I don’t have the right to speak for Geezer and Bill, but I feel that morally and ethically the trademark should be owned by the four of us equally. I hope that by me taking this first step that it will ultimately end up that way. We’ve all worked too hard and long in our careers to allow you to sell merchandise that features all our faces, old Black Sabbath album covers and band logos, and then you tell us that you own the copyright. We’re all in our 60’s now. The Black Sabbath legacy should live on long after we have all gone. Please do the right thing.”

Link - Ozzy Osbourne OZZY SPEAKS ABOUT BLACK SABBATH TRADEMARK ISSUE | The Official Ozzy Osbourne Site (http://www.ozzy.com/news/ozzy-speaks-about-black-sabbath-trademark-issue)

katie
05-29-2009, 08:04 PM
If Ozzy pulls this off,

Would David Lee Roth have the balls to do the same to VH?

FORD
05-29-2009, 08:13 PM
If Ozzy pulls this off,

Would David Lee Roth have the balls to do the same to VH?

It would be harder for Dave to make his case, because it happens to be Eddie & Alex's last name. Actually Wolfie's too, but he's not an original band member so that's beside the point.

Long term fans know that it was actually Dave who named the band "Van Halen" in the first place, but I have my doubts a court would see it that way.

Ironically, if Eddie had his way, the band would have been called "Rat Salade" and Ozzy/Sharon would probably be suing them too.

Coyote
05-29-2009, 08:29 PM
OZZY SPEAKS ABOUT BLACK SABBATH TRADEMARK ISSUE

MAY 29, 2009, 9:12 pm
Below is my official press statement on the official Black Sabbath trademark lawsuit. I am very saddened that I’ve had to take legal action against Tony. This is something that I’ve tried to avoid for years. I am not Geezer or Bill’s voice. However, till the day I die I will not change my mind on this issue. The Black Sabbath trademark should be equally owned by Geezer, Bill, Tony and I as the true Black Sabbath lineup is Tony, Geezer, Bill and I. We’ve all been mates since school. I’ve always said there is an invisible thread that holds us together. Tony, lets get this ridiculous issue sorted and move on with our lives. You’re 61, I’m 60. I hope that we’ve got a good 20 years left in us. But if not, God Forbid something happens to you. What’s going to happen to the Black Sabbath trademark? Who’s going to oversee it? Don’t you think after we’re long gone the rights should stay in your family, my family, Bill’s family and Geezer’s family?

Statement from OZZY OSBOURNE:

“It is with great regret that I had to resort to legal action against my long term partner, Tony Iommi, but after three years of trying to resolve this issue amicably, I feel I have no other recourse. As of the mid-1990’s, after constant and numerous changes in band members, the brand of "Black Sabbath" was literally in the toilet and Tony Iommi (touring under the name Black Sabbath) was reduced to performing in clubs. Since 1997 when Geezer, Bill and myself rejoined the band, Black Sabbath has returned to its former glory as we headlined sold-out arenas and amphitheatres playing to upwards of 50,000 people at each show around the world. We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name “Black Sabbath” which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively. Throughout the last 12 years, it was my management representatives who oversaw the marketing and quality control of the “Black Sabbath” brand through OZZFEST, touring, merchandising and album reissues. The name "Black Sabbath" now has a worldwide prestige and merchandising value that it would not have had by continuing on the road it was on prior to the 1997 reunion tour. Tony, I am so sorry it’s had to get to this point by me having to take this action against you. I don’t have the right to speak for Geezer and Bill, but I feel that morally and ethically the trademark should be owned by the four of us equally. I hope that by me taking this first step that it will ultimately end up that way. We’ve all worked too hard and long in our careers to allow you to sell merchandise that features all our faces, old Black Sabbath album covers and band logos, and then you tell us that you own the copyright. We’re all in our 60’s now. The Black Sabbath legacy should live on long after we have all gone. Please do the right thing.”

Link - Ozzy Osbourne OZZY SPEAKS ABOUT BLACK SABBATH TRADEMARK ISSUE | The Official Ozzy Osbourne Site (http://www.ozzy.com/news/ozzy-speaks-about-black-sabbath-trademark-issue)


Jesus Christ, this has Sharon's cuntprint all over it...

yah
05-29-2009, 08:58 PM
This just reeks of "more,more,more" for the Osbourne/Arden clan.....super sickening.
I guess Greed is still paramount for some of the "Rock Royalty"

Va Beach VH Fan
05-29-2009, 09:09 PM
Judge: "Well Mr. Osbourne, perhaps if you didn't get your collective asses blown off the stage every night by Van Halen in 1978, you wouldn't need to sue Mr. Iommi."

Seshmeister
05-29-2009, 09:22 PM
Long term fans know that it was actually Dave who named the band "Van Halen" in the first place, but I have my doubts a court would see it that way.


Roth was asked if he regretted that quite recently, I think on his radio show and said no way.

I didn't believe him for a second... :)

78/84 guy
05-29-2009, 09:24 PM
His cunt wife needs more money too spend !!!

Terry
05-29-2009, 11:11 PM
$


Plain and simple.

The lawyers will see the majority of what comes from this...

:gulp:

Ain't that the truth?

Terry
05-29-2009, 11:18 PM
Money aside, what's the point in suing now?

If Ozzy was so concerned about the Black Sabbath name being tarnished due to continual lineup changes post-1978, why did he wait until now to bring suit, as opposed to, say, 20 years ago, when Iommi was the only founding member left in the band?

Iommi, Butler, Dio and Vinnie are on the road as Heaven and Hell...nobody is technically even using the name Black Sabbath in terms of contemporary musical endeavours, so what is all the fuss about? The allocation of percentages on the residuals and future album/merchandising sales?

GAR
05-29-2009, 11:49 PM
If Ozzy pulls this off,

Would David Lee Roth have the balls to do the same to VH?

NO, this is a different realm.

Dave's got lawyers from here to San Diego, and waited almost 30 years.

But Ozzy's got his wife trying to pull a Don Arden here much to the detriment of the socalled "brand name."

And even if it's not this way, it appears this way because Don shook down all kinds of young Brit groups, regularly.

If she can't get her way in court, maybe she will bring her staff to throw eggs at the next Heaven and Hell showdate. That will teach Tony, pitch an egg atcha boy..

thome
05-30-2009, 11:08 AM
This is Sharon's fucking greed. The same fucking greed that keeps Ozzy making albums and on the road, despite the fact that he's DONE and making a laughing stock out of himself.

It seems to me that Ozzy agreed to do the last Sabbath reunion tour on the condition that Tony retire the Sabbath name. Tony has done that. They called the Dio reunion H&H.

What's Ozzy's beef? I guarantee you he has none. It's that cunt looking for more $$$$$$


Ozzy needs to sakk up before Sharon points him towards the stage and sais your a variety show/actor television host now...what!!

Oop's too late......

He loves the woman, but she, I believe has kept him high too long.

You can call the majic those 4 dudes made Sabbath but you cannot name or trademark what it is or was...

bueno bob
05-30-2009, 02:51 PM
Well, well, well...it's the 1980's all over again, isn't it?

Tony Iommi, since 1979, has purchased the rights to the name BLACK SABBATH from all other four of the members. But only once it became pretty apparent that they no longer wanted anything to do with the band or had any particular vested interest in it (and if I remember correctly, the last person he secured the rights to the name from was Geezer in 1985 after the whole Live Aid thing, I may be wrong on that, but if memory serves, Iommi was the sole controller of all things Black Sabbath in 1985).

That means that yes, Ozzy, Geezer and Bill legally acknowledged that they had no continued interest in the name Black Sabbath and accepted a cash buyout of any and all rights regarding the name. Which, I'm sure, none of them had any real problem with considering where Black Sabbath's "fortunes" were at circa 1985-1986.

Now, legally, that's a pretty open and shut sort of arrangement right there, unless there's some fine print hidden somewhere that states something to the contrary. Nobody I know has actually seen any of the arrangements per se, but I wouldn't think there'd be a clause like that. Wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Taking it all a step further, we have to examine that fact that, after the management change and label change in 1988, Tony Iommi essentially funded Black Sabbath himself out of his own pocket (IRS wasn't exactly a powerhouse label and a great deal of keeping Black Sabbath alive financially was realistically up to him). During this time, Ozzy Osbourne was VERY vocal about how "Black Sabbath is a joke", "Tony always wanted Black Sabbath all to himself and he's welcome to it", "I don't want anything at all to do with Black Sabbath", "My solo career is far more successful than anything Black Sabbath's ever done without me", etc. I could show you a million instances where he ran his mouth in the press about Tony and Sabbath and how worthless they were without him (which, apparently, hasn't changed much).

So, we got the whole Dehumanizer thing, which showed Sabbath at more American success than what they'd had since '83. Not much, but it proved that there was still some viability in the brand name. Costa Mesa 1993 happened, the whole Dio implosion happened, and then everybody sat around waiting for Ozzy and Sabbath to get back together. Well, for whatever reasons, this didn't go down - Tony and Geezer kept on with Sabbath, Ozzy wished them "all the best" and his 'retirement' didn't quite pan out the way he said it was going to, this we all know.

Well, Geezer left Sabbath again after an argument with Tony while on the Cross Purposes tour and the next thing you know, there he is with Ozzy for the recording of Ozzmosis. Ozzy was quoted as saying "Well, look at Tony Iommi, still continuing on with Black Sabbath. I was an original member of Black Sabbath and so was Geezer, so when you get right down to it, Geezer, Zakk and I could call ourselves Black Sabbath because, well, we're two members and he's only one." Direct quote out of Metal Edge, I think it was.

It was a silly thing to say at that point, and it's even sillier to say it now. No legal basis whatsoever. Ozzy originally said it because he was selfish of the Black Sabbath name. Looks like he still is.

Here's the thing of it, really...when Ronnie came back into the fold and "The Dio Years" happened, they recorded three news songs AS Black Sabbath for the compilation. But, in the light of the RNRHOF induction (and beings as the Ozzy/Tony/Geezer/Bill lineup was the only one inducted), Tony, Geezer and Ron decided that, rather than get into a huge feud with camp Ozzy over the name Black Sabbath (in the mindset that a Ozzy reunion full length Sabbath album may someday happen), they should go out with the name Heaven & Hell instead.

This, to me, shows a large degree of congeniality towards camp Ozzy (which is really Sharon and her lawyers, let's face it). Ozzy was always very adamant in the press that Sabbath without Ozzy wasn't Sabbath and whatever, so I actually considered that a pretty sociable thing for the three of them to do in deference to Ozzy. Ronnie stated that, no matter what they called the band, people were still going to think of them as Black Sabbath - that much is correct. The Heaven & Hell lineup recorded three albums and three new songs AS Black Sabbath, so there's not really any room to mistake it. Especially among fans who were going to identify with them, and let's face it - those would be Sabbath fans, probably not anybody new to them at this stage in the game.

It seems to me that, based on all of this, Tony has been pretty God damned considerate towards Ozzy and classic Sabbath's legacy.

But this is where it gets interesting - Heaven & Hell debut at #8, their live performances are good, reviews for them mostly rave, Radio City Music Hall Live was very warmly received. And all of a sudden Ozzy (and by Ozzy, I mostly mean Sharon) has a problem with it. Go figure.

This is, remember, the same Ozzy Osbourne who said in 1980 that "Ronnie James Dio should wear a bulletproof vest if he plans on singing any of my material on stage". The same Ozzy Osbourne who said Black Sabbath "would be nothing without him". The same Ozzy Osbourne who called them "Geezer and the Three Wops" a year later. The same Ozzy Osbourne that had a midget cutout on stage named "Ronnie".

And, lo and behold, for all of Ozzy's shit talking, Black Sabbath had a huge return to favor with Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules and Live Evil albums. Their best received albums since Sabotage, in fact.

AGAIN, they're successful without Ozzy Osbourne, and AGAIN, Ozzy Osbourne can't fucking stand it.

Now, a lot of pro-Ozzy people have argued that he's entitled to his cut of the Sabbath material that he's on, and that I absolutely don't deny, regardless of whether or not he actually contributed anything beyond his voice to them. His name is on the albums as songwriter and he should be compensated for his imagery on merchandising and whatnot.

That's not what he's asking for. What he's asking for is the NAME and the royalties that go with it. 50% of all Ozzy related Black Sabbath proceeds and a portion of ANYTHING involving the name Black Sabbath.

His legal argument for this? In print?

"Well, Black Sabbath sucked without me! I'm therefore entitled!"

So let me ask a simple question that we can all relate to - should Sammy Hagar be compensated for Van Halen proceeds from 1978 to 1984 because "Sammy Hagar's distinctive voice was the critical element to Van Halen's success in the 1980's"? Should he receive proceeds from ALL Van Halen eras because he was involved with them and "They sucked without him"?

This is Ozzy's entire legal argument here. "Black Sabbath's brand name wasn't viable without Ozzy Osbourne!" Which is a funny to make, because I see a Black Sabbath that continued on without Ozzy Osbourne (in varying degrees of success) from 1980 to 1993, and again from 1994 to 1997, and again from 2006 and since.

I don't know of any legal precedent that demands that a band meet a particular level of cash flow or concert attendance or album sales to be considered "relevant". I'll tell you this, though, Black Sabbath at it's absolute NADIR was FAR, FAR better off and ridiculously more successful than I've ever been in any of my bands.

So what does it boil down to? Does Ozzy actually feel this adamantly about this?

...or do you think maybe Sharon Osbourne has something to do with it, hmm? Think about that.

Frankly, I have very little doubt that two things are going to happen: 1) the lawyers are going to reap a huge fucking payday from this and 2) Iommi will eventually win it. What's left at that point will be negligible, but perhaps breaking the Heaven & Hell bank in light of their recent successes are what Ozzy and Sharon are really after, just as a way of saying "Fuck you" to Tony, Geezer and Ronnie. Don't know, but I certainly wouldn't put it past them.

I think, though, once Tony wins this case, he should go to Rhino and immediately take the Heaven & Hell albums (Radio City and The Devil You Know) out of print and re-release them under the name BLACK SABBATH as a fuck you right back to Ozzy and Sharon for this shit. Actually, he should do that NOW as a way of asserting that he DOES in fact own the name and can do whatever the fuck he wants with it - and Ozzy has no fucking say in the matter.

Depending on how far Tony wants to go with it, take the Ozzy catalog out of print, go back into the studio and re-record the eight Ozzy albums with Dio singing. Seriously. And then the press release could say, oh, something to the effect of "We took a negative situation and turned it into a positive one!".

Hell, it'd certainly be a nice step for Bob, Lee and Randy's mom...

FORD
05-30-2009, 03:09 PM
Dunno about that last part. I really don't think I want to hear Dio singing "Changes" or "Planet Caravan".

yah
05-30-2009, 03:51 PM
Great post, Bueno Bob!

You documented the mud-slinging over the years well between Ozzy and Black Sabbath.
That would be hilarious if Tony takes it that far after winning the case, I'd love to hear studio Ronnie Dio versions of the old Sabbath songs released and that would really serve the Osbournes well for being so greedy and arrogant over the years.
I never really found out if Bob Daisley and Lee k. finally received more money after their long-term beef with the Sharon/Ozzy Camp.

kwame k
05-30-2009, 04:01 PM
Wow, Bob! Excellent post.

FORD
05-30-2009, 04:39 PM
reality though, is that I seem to remember Dio being fine with the "rebranding" as "Heaven & Hell" because he didn't really want to sing the Ozzy songs anyway.

GAR
05-30-2009, 05:00 PM
He could sing the Oz era catalogue but it would be peppered with alot of "ooh, aye yeaah's" and "look outs"..

If Katie's correct that Bill and Geeze assigned their portion of the name rights in with Tony's, then Sharon is willing to bet alot of money she can split the alliance by offering to buy them off the defense of it.

That would be an awful position and from what I've read Bill Ward has ALWAYS been Ozzy's bud.

He'll be the first target of concilliatory endearment by Sharon to sign off this in advance, and if Bill gives in for a little money Geezer might be pursuaded.

And due to Bill's pulmonary condition off and on, he's of the age that the thought of a good retirement stipend from Sharon to side with the Oz docket could be tempting. If you think about it, that may very well be the carrot behind all this.

With sales of Black Sabbath continuing as a legacy the younger generation buy into as a new catalogue to them, it's concievably lucrative a notion that they wouldn't notice the rhythm section stripped - just like she screwed Lee Kerslake and Bob Daisley out of the OZZY recordings - effectively increasing the share of paidout royalties to the Osbornes.

You can say all you want against Gene Simmons in this regard, replacing band members. But to my knowledge, he has not re-recorded the classic recordings with unknown studio cats.. I believe this is what Sharon will aim to do.

There comes a point in a man's pride where he won't step over a certain guideline to poor quality in the work that he does, but women dont understand this.. they just see an extention to their shopping budget and if this is truly the case initiator behind it, Ozzy needs to put the foot down and fire her ass because no self-respecting guitarist is gonna want to write new material and give him another hit album if they know in advance he's a screw or his managing wife is gonna be a screw.

chefcraig
05-30-2009, 05:33 PM
You can say all you want against Gene Simmons in this regard, replacing band members. But to my knowledge, he has not re-recorded the classic recordings with unknown studio cats.. I believe this is what Sharon will aim to do.



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FORD
05-30-2009, 07:07 PM
What the FUCK?? Is Sharon Osbourne managing KI$$ now?

Lame, Chaim Witz..... seriously lame. :mad2:

bueno bob
05-31-2009, 02:23 AM
This has to fail for Ozzy and Sharon and it MUST be decided in Tony's favor. Period. If Ozzy and Sharon get any more control over the name Black Sabbath than what they already do (and remember, they're asking for 50 FUCKING PERCENT), the market is going to be bastardized and saturated with "Black Sabbath Greatest Hits Vol. Eleventy" albums to no end. Any form of Black Sabbath merchandising is going to have Ozzy's face over everybody else, Tony, Geezer and Bill. And anything else from any other era, well, you may as well fucking forget it because it's going out of print and any merchandise will run you $50 and up on eBay...forget buying a T shirt in the store...

What's really going on here is what we all kinda suspected was going to happen eventually - Sharon Osbourne was going to demand her due payment for being married to Ozzy and she was going to attempt to legally sue Black Sabbath into being nothing more than HIS first solo band.

It's fucking bullshit and it's completely transparent, they aren't fooling anybody with that "Let's do it to keep the name in our families for equality!" crock of shit. Anybody who knows ANYTHING about the Osbournes knows full well that financial equality is of NO fucking concern to them at all. Sharon's wallet first and the rest of Ozzy's bandmates can squabble over the pennies that are left, and that's never been much.

BITEYOASS
05-31-2009, 10:43 AM
I was in denial at first, but now it's all true! Ozzy is sharon's puppet! And not the kind with strings, I'm talking about the kind of puppet in which you have to shove your fist up its ass to make it move!

bueno bob
05-31-2009, 12:31 PM
I was in denial at first, but now it's all true! Ozzy is sharon's puppet! And not the kind with strings, I'm talking about the kind of puppet in which you have to shove your fist up its ass to make it move!

Yeah. He wouldn't have done this of his own accord, that's for certain.

I think we can probably say for certain that this is it for an Ozzy Osbourne fronted Black Sabbath ever again. Unfortunate, too, because Scary Dreams showed quite a bit of potential...

standin
05-31-2009, 12:36 PM
I know nothing of old Ozzy. Outside of him eating bats for a shtick. The single concert of his I attended, I arrived late and had to ask who was that on stage. Didn't seem much to me. But that might have been due to seats, the section was not away from the crowd and I spent more time concerned about my well-being.

It seems as if y'all would complain if he was down on his luck and pushing pennies to get by AND you complain of his profiting. From what I read shady business dealings is the real questionable part of Osborn association.

FACT IS-> to not have to schlep on the road, an artist must create streams of revenue outside the label and outside schelping on the road.

It is somewhat obvious they did not take on a 360 deal...
After reading a bit more, I reiterate the Osborn's (they do seem to be a package deal) business practices are questionable. If one was to work with them, better have checked and rechecked the contract and have behavioral clauses included or just accept their questionable practices, do what ya came to do and move on with it.

jackassrock
05-31-2009, 01:30 PM
This is all true. A money grubbing scheme to be sure, BUT...

Everybody is talking about how Sabbath went on after Ozzy left to pursue his career yet I'll wager that no post-Ozzy album sold as many copies as any of the OG Sabbath ones. I'll go out on a limb (without checking the facts) and say that all of the post-Ozzy albums together wouldn't equal anywhere near the OG lineup in sales , that includes the ever so awesome (?) Dehumanizer, which I don't ever recall being that popular or even good for that matter. We are talking about a band that literally (with some others) defines what we know as modern hard rock music, but only with the original lineup. Sab's popularity and commercial viability went severely downhill with the departure of Ozzy, and, in fact, they were a fucking joke in the 80s and every one of you knows it. They only became popular again when the OG members got back together in the 90s. I'll go even further and say that it a huge portion of the albums they sold post-Ozzy were due to the name that they had already made for themselves with him.

Now I'm not saying that it's right for Ozz to sign off on the name and then try to get back in just because of the money, but you gotta face facts. Sabbath without Ozzy will NEVER EVER equal the cash cow that it is with him. And we're not talking about pennies here, this is a multi million dollar franchise built on the backs of Iommi, Ward, Butler, and Osbourne. I defy anybody to tell me that anything else is true. It NEVER would have happened without those 4. Yet every day, only one of those members gets paid for all the merchandise that gets sold (how many Headless Cross shirts get sold in any given day? I'd say right about none), Every time Iron Man gets played on the radio (when's the last time you heard No Stranger To Love on the radio), or every time Someone buys a copy of Their self titled Debut.

Ozzy, Bill, and Geezer legitimize Black Sabbath and Iommi. Without them the band was mediocre at best, and without the reunion they would still be known as the band that was WAAAAAAY better back then than they are now. Don't you think that the reunion was a huge part of getting the band back in the public eye ? Thus resulting in major, major monies that Tony never would have received without it ?

C'mon now, regardless of the degree of difficulty they had working with him, Sabbath just ain't Sabbath without those 4 guys, period.

lesfunk
05-31-2009, 02:48 PM
Dear Ozzy and Sharon, I hope you both die soon.

FORD
05-31-2009, 03:36 PM
Yeah. He wouldn't have done this of his own accord, that's for certain.

I think we can probably say for certain that this is it for an Ozzy Osbourne fronted Black Sabbath ever again. Unfortunate, too, because Scary Dreams showed quite a bit of potential...

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Mr. Vengeance
05-31-2009, 09:03 PM
This is all true. A money grubbing scheme to be sure, BUT...

Everybody is talking about how Sabbath went on after Ozzy left to pursue his career yet I'll wager that no post-Ozzy album sold as many copies as any of the OG Sabbath ones. I'll go out on a limb (without checking the facts) and say that all of the post-Ozzy albums together wouldn't equal anywhere near the OG lineup in sales , that includes the ever so awesome (?) Dehumanizer, which I don't ever recall being that popular or even good for that matter. We are talking about a band that literally (with some others) defines what we know as modern hard rock music, but only with the original lineup. Sab's popularity and commercial viability went severely downhill with the departure of Ozzy, and, in fact, they were a fucking joke in the 80s and every one of you knows it. They only became popular again when the OG members got back together in the 90s. I'll go even further and say that it a huge portion of the albums they sold post-Ozzy were due to the name that they had already made for themselves with him.

Now I'm not saying that it's right for Ozz to sign off on the name and then try to get back in just because of the money, but you gotta face facts. Sabbath without Ozzy will NEVER EVER equal the cash cow that it is with him. And we're not talking about pennies here, this is a multi million dollar franchise built on the backs of Iommi, Ward, Butler, and Osbourne. I defy anybody to tell me that anything else is true. It NEVER would have happened without those 4. Yet every day, only one of those members gets paid for all the merchandise that gets sold (how many Headless Cross shirts get sold in any given day? I'd say right about none), Every time Iron Man gets played on the radio (when's the last time you heard No Stranger To Love on the radio), or every time Someone buys a copy of Their self titled Debut.

Ozzy, Bill, and Geezer legitimize Black Sabbath and Iommi. Without them the band was mediocre at best, and without the reunion they would still be known as the band that was WAAAAAAY better back then than they are now. Don't you think that the reunion was a huge part of getting the band back in the public eye ? Thus resulting in major, major monies that Tony never would have received without it ?

C'mon now, regardless of the degree of difficulty they had working with him, Sabbath just ain't Sabbath without those 4 guys, period.

Why don't you miss the point a little more? Very few will argue that Sabbath with Ozzy was not the best. In fact, when I was a kid, I didn't even want to hear the Dio stuff. Then I got older and realized how killer Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules are. Not to mention the very underrated Born Again with Ian Gillan on vocals. An album I loved right off the bat, since my grandmother bought it for me for Christmas in 1983.

The point is that this is unnecessary. It's Sharon trying to get more $$$ so she can go shopping some more. Sales of Sab albums before and after Ozzy are irrelevant. This is a fat cunt trying to get money. If Sab were still touring using the Sabbath name I could see the issue, but they stopped, as per the agreement that led to the original lineup reunion.

By the way, take a listen to the "new" songs that lineup did and listen to Heaven and Hell's album and tell me that Dio isn't the direction Iommi & co. need to stay with....

GAR
05-31-2009, 09:07 PM
Whatever direction Iommi takes, I can see him more productive without the daughter of his former manager curtailing his creativity.

I'd like to think more than a financial reason instigated this attack - jealousy? I think it is jealousy on Sharon's egg-throwin' part.

bueno bob
05-31-2009, 09:51 PM
Everybody is talking about how Sabbath went on after Ozzy left to pursue his career yet I'll wager that no post-Ozzy album sold as many copies as any of the OG Sabbath ones.

That's his argument, yes. And because of THAT, he figures he's due to a percentage of Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules, Live Evil, Born Again, Seventh Star, The Eternal Idol, Headless Cross, Tyr, Dehumanizer, Cross Purposes, Cross Purposes Live, Forbidden, and The Dio Years albums. In addition to whatever merchandise from those albums and/or tours go through.

Does that sound logical because, well, Ozzy fronted Sabbath is supa-cool?


I'll go out on a limb (without checking the facts) and say that all of the post-Ozzy albums together wouldn't equal anywhere near the OG lineup in sales, that includes the ever so awesome (?) Dehumanizer, which I don't ever recall being that popular or even good for that matter.

Well, that's the running Osbournes opinion, apparently. Now, by the same argument, do you think Sammy Hagar should be getting royalties off of Fair Warning because it didn't sell as much as 5150 - or, in Hagar's opinion, wasn't as good an album?

Mind showing me a legal precedent for that while you're at it?


We are talking about a band that literally (with some others) defines what we know as modern hard rock music, but only with the original lineup.

And that, you see, is where you're diverging into speculation, opinion and conjecture. Mostly your own opinion.


Sab's popularity and commercial viability went severely downhill with the departure of Ozzy, and, in fact, they were a fucking joke in the 80s and every one of you knows it.

Ahh, spoken like a true Ozzy sackswinger. Here's some education for you - Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules and Live Evil were MORE successful albums than what Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die were, they were reviewed very positively on most fronts, and Sabbath did pretty well for themselves up til about 1985 or 1986 or so. Even Born Again performed moderately well.

Even so, there was a steady amount of concert attendance and while album sales weren't necessarily up to Ozzy's standards (which is, let's face it, what you're comparing them against), it doesn't really fucking matter at all because Ozzy had already sold his interest in the name BLACK SABBATH and all things involved with it. Thus, the "Oh, well, they sucked in the 80's" argument not only has no bearing AT ALL on the case, it's completely speculative and opinionated and unable to be verified legally because there's no bar to track it.


They only became popular again when the OG members got back together in the 90s.

Nope. Dehumanizer actually performed fairly well in sales and the tour was the most successful tour Sabbath had been on since 1983.


I'll go even further and say that it a huge portion of the albums they sold post-Ozzy were due to the name that they had already made for themselves with him.

Well, can you prove that or are you just talking out of your asshole again? Now, if you can pull in 70-80% of Black Sabbath fans worldwide and get them to attest that, yes, the music was irrelevant and we only liked Black Sabbath because Ozzy Osbourne is/was in the band, then maybe that statement would actually matter.

You can't, therefore, it doesn't.


Now I'm not saying that it's right for Ozz to sign off on the name and then try to get back in just because of the money,

Oh, but you see, you are.


but you gotta face facts. Sabbath without Ozzy will NEVER EVER equal the cash cow that it is with him.

So, by YOUR reasoning, Tony, Geezer and Bill should fork over half of everything to him and Sharon. And so should Vinny, Geoff, Ian, Bev, Glenn, Eric, Dan, Tony Martin, Bob Daisley, the estate of Cozy Powell, Laurence, Neil, and Bobby, because any Sabbath post Ozzy that Ozzy and Sharon get the royalties from, well, that's going to cut into THEIR profits off of THEIR work, too.


And we're not talking about pennies here, this is a multi million dollar franchise built on the backs of Iommi, Ward, Butler, and Osbourne.

No, no, no...it's all about Ozzy, remember? The only reason there are Black Sabbath fans at all after 1979 is because of Ozzy Osbourne, right? Your words, not mine.


I defy anybody to tell me that anything else is true.

Guess what? I just did.


It NEVER would have happened without those 4.

Opinionated bullshit. Black Sabbath could have had pretty much any lead singer they wanted, considering Ozzy Osbourne's input into the material was fucking minimal at best.


Yet every day, only one of those members gets paid for all the merchandise that gets sold

Legally so.


(how many Headless Cross shirts get sold in any given day? I'd say right about none),

But Ozzy Osbourne should have 50% when they DO sell, right? Funny you mention that, considering I bought a Headless Cross T shirt last month. You figure I should just write two checks, one for Ozzy too.


Every time Iron Man gets played on the radio (when's the last time you heard No Stranger To Love on the radio),

Again, irrelevant, legally speaking. Ozzy quite happily sold his interest in that because Sabbath sucked without him and he just didn't care, remember?


Ozzy, Bill, and Geezer legitimize Black Sabbath and Iommi.

Oh fucking PLEASE. Tony Iommi, Bill Ward and Geezer Butler legitimize Black Sabbath with Ozzy Osbourne. #1, Ozzy has NO MUSICAL SKILL other than humming a fucking melody. You think he would have recorded six outstanding Black Sabbath records and two shittier ones with just anybody while he hummed some fucking melodies for them? Think again, genius. Music is made by musicians, not whistlers.


Without them the band was mediocre at best,

Opinionated bullshit.


and without the reunion they would still be known as the band that was WAAAAAAY better back then than they are now.

Opinionated bullshit. Let me know when you actually address the facts at hand.


Don't you think that the reunion was a huge part of getting the band back in the public eye?

Not really.


Thus resulting in major, major monies that Tony never would have received without it?

Perhaps, but again, so fucking what? Ozzy had RELINQUISHED HIS INTEREST in the name and guess what? Game fucking over.


C'mon now, regardless of the degree of difficulty they had working with him, Sabbath just ain't Sabbath without those 4 guys, period.

And finally, opinionated bullshit.

Face the facts, dude, Ozzy Osbourne was more interested in pizza and cocaine and talking shit about Tony Iommi and Geezer Butler in the media. He had the CHOICE to either hang on to his royalties or say "Fuck it, gimme the check". He chose "fuck it". By YOUR argument, he now has the right to throw any and all legal precedent out the window and say "I changed my mind! I want my rights back! And while you're at it, gimme half of yours, too!"

Yeah, doesn't work that way, dude.

standin
05-31-2009, 10:15 PM
Dear Ozzy, please ask your wife quit making money and putting things in y'alls corner. Nobody likes grub. So, please only eat healthy, expensive food is not good for you. You should eat at Burger King.
Love,
Jennifer
P.s. Quit making amusing commercials. You are the prince of darkness, it is a sin for you to be amusing. :biggrin:

standin
05-31-2009, 10:28 PM
I read on Sharron's Wiki page that Sharron's Father was mean and threw Ozzy out the band because he was dating Sharon or something like that.


(just kidding around guys. The one song I can name of Ozzy's is Bat Out of Hell. I do like his Prince of Darkness character. Him and his family is kinda like a modern Adam's Family.)

Terry
05-31-2009, 11:13 PM
Well, it's not unreasonable to assume this is being done as a direct result of the solid commercial response to the Heaven and Hell releases and tours of late, and one could be forgiven for having a gut feeling that Sharon's greed is what has prompted this.

Hey, Sharon wanting to ensure Ozzy is getting paid whatever he is legally due under previous contracts for the sales of Black Sabbath back catalog sales (am assuming he'd be entitled to the back sales of the Black Sabbath albums he participated on, as opposed to Mob Rules, Born Again, etc.)...that would be understandable.

If Ozzy's management signed off on all future rights to the use of the name Black Sabbath in the mid 1980s, well, seems it would be tough titties for Ozzy.

An excellent post, bob. Am not sure what the Osbournes hope to gain from this, since it seems that Heaven and Hell don't need the Black Sabbath moniker to pull in the fans. Think the shame of it all is Ozzy has let himself basically become a celebrity first, while Dio, Iommi, Butler and Vinnie are musicians (and when I saw Heaven and Hell in 2007, they were so fucking good that I honestly didn't wish for a moment that Ozzy were up there instead of RJD for a moment - am not detracting from Ozzy or classic Sabbath, but Ozzy is all fucking washed up these days anyway).

FORD
05-31-2009, 11:37 PM
I read on Sharron's Wiki page that Sharron's Father was mean and threw Ozzy out the band because he was dating Sharon or something like that.


Don Arden definitely did have a hand in Ozzy getting fired from Sabbath, but Sharon wasn't dating Ozzy until well after the split. She actually came to LA looking for Ozzy to collect Daddy's money and ended up falling in love with Ozzy who was a fucking train wreck at the time. To be fair, she probably saved his life.

But then she took it over, and it all went downhill from there.

standin
06-01-2009, 12:47 AM
It must really suck for Ozzy to have a woman around to look after him and his, go to bat and take deflection. And he is stuck making money. I would just hate having a marriage with those issues.
I am drinking Thomaid, tonight. What's your psychedelic?

bueno bob
06-01-2009, 12:53 AM
I definitely want to hear Tony's response to this.

If I know Tony Iommi, he'll be aloof and probably have no comment. During the shit slinging 80's, he was actually very quiet in comparison to Ozzy's media outbursts every other week...

Dan
06-01-2009, 01:53 AM
Bob For Mod.:D

Mr Badguy
06-01-2009, 07:53 AM
This is probably also a culmination of everything that`s happened in the recording industry lately.

Nobody is buying CDs and Ozzy can`t sing live anymore, so that`s the two main revenue earners out the window.

Not to mention the fact that he altered his two most popular albums and noone wants to buy them anymore.

With that, "The Osbournes" and now this, Ozzy is in danger of becoming a hated figure in Rock N Roll.

And that`s a shame.

Mr Badguy
06-01-2009, 07:54 AM
Bob For Mod.:D

Yeah!

jackassrock
06-01-2009, 08:20 AM
OK Bob,

Sabbath ain't Sabbath without Ozzy. That's the opinoin of 99.9&#37; of the people who listen to rock music. Your opinion obviously differs, so you can don your Headless Cross t-shirt and go sit in the corner on that issue.

I do agree (and I believe I said this in my earlier post) that what Ozz is doing is suspect at best, but I also agree that Tony alone is making a metric fuck ton of money off of what all those guys that have ever been in Black Sabbath made. They are deserving of a cut of the sales from stuff that has their fucking pictures on it. Not just Ozzy, but every damn one of em.

Also, I'm sure that those Sabbath Albums did fairly well when they were released in the 80s-90s, but they just don't stand the test of time like the first 5 records do. This is not just my opinion. Anything ever written about Sabbath reads the same way, from tiny little blog sites to Rolling Stone magazine, Wikipedia, VH1, and the list goes on all say the same thing. That when Ozzy left he took their popularity with him. This is not to say that NOBODY ever liked or listened to them, but the ballots are in man, OG Black Sabbath far outshined the afterbirth Sabbath of the 90s.

Anyhow, that should not be the point of the post. The point is that Iommi is reeling in the cash from the sweat of Ozzy, Bill, Geezer, Ronnie, Ian, Vinnie, Tony, Bobby, Bev, Don, Bob, Cozy, and everyone else's backs. Now I'm sure that some of those fromer members were just contract players and got every penny they signed on for,. but that's not the question here. The original lineup's albums, shirts, stickers, coke mirrors, and any other damned thing you can think of are being sold at a rapid pace every day in this world and Tony is making every fucking dime. That ain't right. Those other guys deserve a cut,

And even if Ozzy was just the drooling idiot tune whistler that you make him out to be, he still was the face of that band for the fans, and did his share to make Black Sabbath the huge money making entity that it is today.

Sharon, on the other hand, can truly go fuck herself with a wad of 100 dollar bills.

Panamark
06-01-2009, 08:47 AM
Nice post Bueno the Robert, Dark Master of Puppets !

What more can we say ??
Sharon (wots er name, alder ?) is now the undeniable, indesputeable
Yoko Ono of Modern Rock / Metal.

This has her vaginal snail trails all over it...

Ozzy still Rocks in my world. Just wish he still had it together enough
to bite the head off this rancid bat somebody threw in his way.

Coyote
06-01-2009, 10:46 AM
OK Bob,

Sabbath ain't Sabbath without Ozzy. That's the opinoin of 99.9&#37; of the people who listen to rock music.

Weird, that same amount of people mainly remember "Paranoid"...

bueno bob
06-01-2009, 10:54 AM
OK Bob,

Sabbath ain't Sabbath without Ozzy.

Your opinion, and thousands of other Black Sabbath fans certainly don't see it that way at all.

Either way, that opinion is in no way any sort of legal precedent. I can sit here all day and say "Well, I like it better when it's sunny outside", but that doesn't mean I'm entitled to half of your paycheck. That's the point you keep missing with this "It's not Sabbath without Ozzy!" nonsense.


That's the opinoin of 99.9&#37; of the people who listen to rock music.

And you've personally interviewed EVERYBODY who listens to "rock music" in order to verify that, right?

Don't come at me with that kind of bullshit.


Your opinion obviously differs, so you can don your Headless Cross t-shirt and go sit in the corner on that issue.

Wow, look at all the people over here...

Dude, head your ass on over to Blabbermouth...look at the responses to the two threads set up around this...I'm hardly fucking alone in my opinion...in fact, YOU seem to be the minority...


I do agree (and I believe I said this in my earlier post) that what Ozz is doing is suspect at best, but I also agree that Tony alone is making a metric fuck ton of money off of what all those guys that have ever been in Black Sabbath made.

Awww! Damn, too bad those guys WILLINGLY signed off on their rights LEGALLY. You know, I seem to recall George Lucas making a fuckload of money off of Star Wars action figures in the 80's after Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher said "Eh, fuck it, give us the money now". You think they should be able to go crying into court and make a case for their likeness being used and then not getting what it was all worth.

In a phrase, FUCK NO.


They are deserving of a cut of the sales from stuff that has their fucking pictures on it.

Nobody's arguing that. I'm certainly not.

OZZY DOESN'T DESERVE 50% OF EVERYTHING WITH THE NAME BLACK SABBATH ON IT.

That's what he wants. Not a 'fair cut' of what he was on. HE WANTS HALF OF EVERYTHING TONY'S EVER DONE, with or without him. Which is a crock of shit. And the point that you, in all of your Ozzy love inspired blindness, keep on shooting right past.


Not just Ozzy, but every damn one of em.

Again, they do, unless they signed of their own volition legal paperwork signing off on all royalties resulting from usage of the name Black Sabbath.


Also, I'm sure that those Sabbath Albums did fairly well when they were released in the 80s-90s, but they just don't stand the test of time like the first 5 records do. This is not just my opinion.

Yeah, it is. It's COMPLETELY your opinion, don't try and shade it as 'fact'. You oughta look up the definition between 'opinion' and 'fact' because you're sadly misinformed.


Anything ever written about Sabbath reads the same way, from tiny little blog sites to Rolling Stone magazine, Wikipedia, VH1, and the list goes on all say the same thing. That when Ozzy left he took their popularity with him.

LMAO. Anybody around at that point knew that Sabbath's (ha ha) 'popularity' was fading after 1975. I'll trust my own knowledge and the knowledge of people who were there, not 20-something year old rock "journalists".


This is not to say that NOBODY ever liked or listened to them,

Oh, no no no...it's all about OZZY, right? Black Sabbath was, well, just his backing band as far as you're concerned.


but the ballots are in man, OG Black Sabbath far outshined the afterbirth Sabbath of the 90s.

Opinion.


Anyhow, that should not be the point of the post.

Well, you're right about that. Unfortunately, that's all you keep deferring to.

"Ozzy's Sabbath was better!"


The point is that Iommi is reeling in the cash from the sweat of Ozzy, Bill, Geezer, Ronnie, Ian, Vinnie, Tony, Bobby, Bev, Don, Bob, Cozy, and everyone else's backs.

Well, from any perspective, Tony's certainly put in more work than anybody else over the years.


Now I'm sure that some of those former members were just contract players and got every penny they signed on for,

Uh oh. You're starting to make sense!


but that's not the question here.

....and there it goes...


The original lineup's albums, shirts, stickers, coke mirrors, and any other damned thing you can think of are being sold at a rapid pace every day in this world and Tony is making every fucking dime. That ain't right. Those other guys deserve a cut.

Unless, you know, they legally signed off on their interest in it.

And that's not the issue either. The issue is whether OZZY and his family deserve 50% of ALL OF IT.

So don't try and hide this behind "Oh, it's about being fair!" because 'fairness' hasn't got a fucking thing to do with this. It's about Ozzy's fucking greed and it's being masterminded by Sharon so that Jack and Kelli can have a bigger nest egg and she can shop more. That's all.


And even if Ozzy was just the drooling idiot tune whistler that you make him out to be,

Which is what songwriters who have to rely on their bands to write albums because they can do no better then hum a fucking melody really are, imo...


he still was the face of that band for the fans, and did his share to make Black Sabbath the huge money making entity that it is today.

He was responsible in part, yes.

Sammy Hagar can make the same argument - that he was responsible for a lot of album sales with 5150, OU812, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge and Balance because he sang on them; do you therefore feel we should give him 50% of Van Halen, Van Halen II, Women and Children First, Fair Warning, Diver Down and 1984?

REMEMBER, SAME LOGIC APPLIES. Hagar sang on those albums and they were pretty popular, too. His face was the lead face of Van Halen, he did the interviews, jumped around on stage, etc etc.

When/if Van Halen does a new album, should Eddie the record company take half of every royalty check for the album, merchandise and ensuing tour and sign it off care of Sammy Hagar?

Using your logic here, yes, they should. This is the argument you're trying to defend.


Sharon, on the other hand, can truly go fuck herself with a wad of 100 dollar bills.

Yeah, not buying it.

ELVIS
06-01-2009, 11:04 AM
This is probably also a culmination of everything that`s happened in the recording industry lately.

Nobody is buying CDs and Ozzy can`t sing live anymore, so that`s the two main revenue earners out the window.

Not to mention the fact that he altered his two most popular albums and noone wants to buy them anymore.

With that, "The Osbournes" and now this, Ozzy is in danger of becoming a hated figure in Rock N Roll.

And that`s a shame.

You got it dude...

I heard they were considering going bankrupt, hence the stupid TV show...

If the first Osbournes took the mysique from Ozzy, the following is a joke...

And what other great bands have altered their original recordings? I bought one by mistake...what a joke...

I do agree that Bark At The Moon sounds better, but it's the same players, just a different mix. But that was no ground breaking album at the time...

No Rest for The Wicked was Ozzy's best release since and it's down hill from there...

Sad, because I really love Ozzy..:(

ELVIS
06-01-2009, 11:12 AM
Tony's certainly put in more work than anybody else over the years.

I think even Ozzy said something like that...

WACF
06-01-2009, 11:47 AM
You got it dude...

I heard they were considering going bankrupt, hence the stupid TV show...

If the first Osbournes took the mysique from Ozzy, the following is a joke...

And what other great bands have altered their original recordings? I bought one by mistake...what a joke...

I do agree that Bark At The Moon sounds better, but it's the same players, just a different mix. But that was no ground breaking album at the time...

No Rest for The Wicked was Ozzy's best release since and it's down hill from there...

Sad, because I really love Ozzy..:(


Bankrupt???

Really....amazing...I thought the gold digger would of packed away a ton already.

She has destroyed so much...the only thing keeping us interested is the man himself...

standin
06-01-2009, 12:24 PM
mystique? In the age of Net 2.0 = con job bullshitter criminal. There is too much out there to put up with the silliness of pretend I am not who I am, which is not the same as stonewalled privacy. Ozzy, Snoop Dog and the likes are working the new media. Those stuck back in 80's "Glitter" in one part of the world, dive in another are screwed up in the head.
IMO, mystique is something labels use to con/brainwash naive artists to prevent fair competition and loosing revenue streams.

GAR
06-01-2009, 01:07 PM
Don Arden definitely did have a hand in Ozzy getting fired from Sabbath, but Sharon wasn't dating Ozzy until well after the split. She actually came to LA looking for Ozzy to collect Daddy's money and ended up falling in love with Ozzy who was a fucking train wreck at the time. To be fair, she probably saved his life.

But then she took it over, and it all went downhill from there.

Horseshit. They ran away together because Ozzy was keen to the fact Don Arden floated the business under Sharon's name to avoid legal filings finding any money to touch.

Sharon knew where it was, then she and Ozzy "touched" it.

The youtube interviews you see 1980-81 where they go "oh we're broke" how did they pay for his drugs, hotel, booze.. Daddys money.

That's what they paid for everything from, and got away with it after the fact as a "business expense" staying at hotel mondrian in hollywood, flying back to england to record as The Ozzy Osbourne Band.

SHE didn't save anyone's life, man. She was in there doping it up with him - the downfall was fucking up Sabbath from 74-78 and the band had had enough.

GAR
06-01-2009, 01:08 PM
Ozzy Finds Black Sabbath Mate&#39;s Actions Unholy - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20090530/en_top_eo/126632)

If anything Iommi could sue Oz for wrecking the franchise the first time

Nitro Express
06-01-2009, 01:20 PM
Ozzy is Sharons money puppet. Do you think that guy wants to do commercials and sue old band mates? Sharon is milking Ozzy's image for all it's worth. I guess Charm School and being a talent show judge is too much work.

Nitro Express
06-01-2009, 01:28 PM
Once Ozzy kicks the bucket, his money grubbing wife and dumb kids have no money bag to suck on. They are so fortunate that he has stayed alive as long as he has. Nothing scares these people more than the Prince of Darkness going to the other side.

GAR
06-01-2009, 01:47 PM
Once Ozzy kicks the bucket, his money grubbing wife and dumb kids have no money bag to suck on.

That's not true, even the old gal who wrote and copywrighted "Happy Birthday" still enjoys royalties.

What cuts the money off, is the copywrite expiration which I think due to the Disney lobbying a few years ago reset it from 66 years to something like 80 - because Mickey Mouse was about to expire.

And even then, Disney would still have the right of course to sell it's own stock, hundreds of years after the rights expire - that just means the exclusivity expires.

The osborne kids will probably live a richer life thru licensing and such well into their 70's and old age, you're cuntpletely WRONG about that one - unfortunately...

standin
06-01-2009, 01:51 PM
WTF. nitro? Do you think Ozzy does not want to provide for his family?
Do you think he hates his wife and kids?
Are you trying to sell the " you have to be a screw up to be in the industry" image?
WTF is wrong with commercials , other than you don't have that gig yourself?
As for suing, the elder Osbourne's are known for shrewd business dealings.
In 50 years from the date of the copyright, the music goes to public domain. His work starts falling in to public domain in 2030.

Are you one of those sorts of people that does not want to care for their children and family?
Why do you have issue with well cared for family?
Family is family for life. The spit them out and kick em out mentality is wrong.
Showing concern for the well being of family builds dynasties.

LoungeMachine
06-01-2009, 01:56 PM
That's not true, even the old gal who wrote and copywrighted "Happy Birthday" still enjoys royalties.

What cuts the money off, is the copywrite expiration ..

Are you this stupid?

copyright.

as in RIGHT.


copywrite is printer paper.

I have no fucking clue what a copywright is :duh:


dolt.

Diamondjimi
06-01-2009, 02:56 PM
Horseshit. They ran away together because Ozzy was keen to the fact Don Arden floated the business under Sharon's name to avoid legal filings finding any money to touch.

Sharon knew where it was, then she and Ozzy "touched" it.

Horseshit.
They buggered off from Don Arden because he was a nasty ,cheap ,crooked Cunt.Much like $haron turned out to be...
They were lucky enough to buy back Ozzy's rights a few years later...


The youtube interviews you see 1980-81 where they go "oh we're broke" how did they pay for his drugs, hotel, booze.. Daddys money.
$haron grew up in luxury.To her and Ozzy living in 3 star hotels was considered slumming it.
I doubt that Daddy Arden was throwing her an allowance ,$haron handled the money ,so of course there was always money for booze and blow..


SHE didn't save anyone's life, man..
BULLSHIT!
Ozzy would be dead 10 times over if it were'nt for her. To keep him out of "trouble" she literally kept him prisoner in their hotel room fucking his brains out around the clock. Heard it personally from Lemmy himself ,Dumbass!

ELVIS
06-01-2009, 04:21 PM
I agree with that last statement...

Hardrock69
06-01-2009, 04:37 PM
This is fucking stupid.

FUCK OZZY AND HIS CUNT WHORE SLUT BITCH OF A WIFE!

:mad:

standin
06-01-2009, 06:55 PM
Ahhhh... the old "We were havin sex" excuse to avoid people. Sure works better than "We're laid up watching reruns." :hitch:

Terry
06-01-2009, 07:42 PM
There's no doubt that Sharon is an adequate businesswoman - Ozzy would have found it difficult to find someone who would have worked harder for him after he left Sabbath than his own wife (self-interested as she may have been/is). In a broad sense, I can understand why Sharon embraced the concept of Ozzy being known as (and making money off) a sort of reality celeb star, where the overall revenue stream isn't 100&#37; tied to Ozzy's record sales and concert takes. It was a smart move, being that even established artists like Osbourne don't sell as many records as they did 20 years ago.

The problem I have with them suing Sabbath is that they're trying to piggyback off of all the recent Heaven and Hell success, which has little to nothing to do with Ozzy Osbourne (outside of the fact that Osbourne played in a band with Iommi and Butler under a different name).

I mean, they apparently signed off on the rights to the Sabbath name in the 1980s when the group and name looked like a loser commercially, and they're trying to reattach themselves using some dubious retroactive logic (the notion that the only era of Sabbath that is commercially viable is the one with Osbourne in it doesn't seem to hold water given all the recent success Dio, Iommi, Bulter and Vinnie are having...and having without even using the name, to boot!) now that interest in an Osbourneless Sabbath (which is what Heaven and Hell is) is evident.

Iommi never lost the faith in Sabbath, and kept on going with the band even when he was paying out of his own pocket to do so. Ozzy and his wife walked away from Sabbath when it was convenient to do so, and are now trying to reattach Ozzy to the Sabbath revenues when it is now convenient to do so.

ELVIS
06-01-2009, 07:48 PM
Well, at least in the early days, Sharon and Ozzy loved each other...

I remember it...

Mr Walker
06-02-2009, 06:37 AM
I'm thinking the Guitar Hero or Rock Band Black Sabbath idea is being kicked around and Ms Arden wants her piece of the pie.

Igosplut
06-02-2009, 07:07 AM
Are you this stupid?

copyright.

as in RIGHT.


copywrite is printer paper.

I have no fucking clue what a copywright is :duh:


dolt.

AOL Time Warner owns the copyright to "Happy Birthday"....

He even fucked up his google that time..

katie
06-02-2009, 07:20 PM
There's no doubt that Sharon is an adequate businesswoman - Ozzy would have found it difficult to find someone who would have worked harder for him after he left Sabbath than his own wife (self-interested as she may have been/is). In a broad sense, I can understand why Sharon embraced the concept of Ozzy being known as (and making money off) a sort of reality celeb star, where the overall revenue stream isn't 100&#37; tied to Ozzy's record sales and concert takes. It was a smart move, being that even established artists like Osbourne don't sell as many records as they did 20 years ago.

The problem I have with them suing Sabbath is that they're trying to piggyback off of all the recent Heaven and Hell success, which has little to nothing to do with Ozzy Osbourne (outside of the fact that Osbourne played in a band with Iommi and Butler under a different name).

I mean, they apparently signed off on the rights to the Sabbath name in the 1980s when the group and name looked like a loser commercially, and they're trying to reattach themselves using some dubious retroactive logic (the notion that the only era of Sabbath that is commercially viable is the one with Osbourne in it doesn't seem to hold water given all the recent success Dio, Iommi, Bulter and Vinnie are having...and having without even using the name, to boot!) now that interest in an Osbourneless Sabbath (which is what Heaven and Hell is) is evident.

Iommi never lost the faith in Sabbath, and kept on going with the band even when he was paying out of his own pocket to do so. Ozzy and his wife walked away from Sabbath when it was convenient to do so, and are now trying to reattach Ozzy to the Sabbath revenues when it is now convenient to do so.

Nailed it in one Terry.

I was thinking exactly the same thing today.

Terry
06-02-2009, 08:22 PM
Nailed it in one Terry.

I was thinking exactly the same thing today.

I mean, regardless of whatever ruling they end up getting, the Osbournes are acting like a bunch of twats.

Legality doesn't necessarily translate into what's right.

ELVIS
06-03-2009, 12:25 AM
We are talking about a band that literally (with some others) defines what we know as modern hard rock music, but only with the original lineup. Sab's popularity and commercial viability went severely downhill with the departure of Ozzy, and, in fact, they were a fucking joke in the 80s and every one of you knows it.

Actually, their popularity went down hill prior to the release of Technical Ecstasy when Ozzy didn't show up for half the gigs. They literally went back to playing clubs...

But I think Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die are some of the best Sabbath albums, and clearly some of Ozzy's best vocal performances...

I remember Geezer saying they tuned down a bit so Ozzy could sing the songs better live, or whatever, but Ozzy would just sing higher and it defeated the purpose...

Ozzy was a brilliant singer at one point and for Dio to say Ozzy could never carry a note in a bucket is bullshit...


:elvis:

bueno bob
06-03-2009, 12:38 AM
I firmly believe that Ozzy Osbourne's best captured vocal performance on any album is a toss up between Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage.

Fantastic records for Ozzy's voice!

ELVIS
06-03-2009, 12:45 AM
I like those too...

Let's hear Dio do Sabbath Bloody Sabbath again...LMAO!

ELVIS
06-03-2009, 12:47 AM
Ozzy sang pretty damn good on the first two Ozzy albums as well...


:elvis:

Mr Badguy
06-03-2009, 07:11 AM
Pity he sounds like Steven Hawking now.

I would say "Sabotage" was his best.

I loved "Technical Ecstacy" but "Never Say Die!" has never been one of my favourites.

Diamondjimi
06-03-2009, 09:36 AM
Pity he sounds like Steven Hawking now.

:biggrin:


I would say "Sabotage" was his best.



Hands down ,their best album,imo......

ace diamond
06-03-2009, 03:31 PM
Jesus Christ! Ozzy was a big element to Sabbath's success but what would Sabbath be without the riffs. Nothing. That whole band was the reason for it's success. Every member created something that was truly unique for it's time. Dio with Sabbath was successful and from the sounds of it, a much better fit.

You know Sharon is behind all of this. Fucking cunt!

agreed

sonrisa salvaje
06-03-2009, 04:12 PM
I firmly believe that Ozzy Osbourne's best captured vocal performance on any album is a toss up between Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage.

Fantastic records for Ozzy's voice!

No doubt. Sabbra Cadabra....my god.

ELVIS
06-03-2009, 07:37 PM
I'm half way through Sabotage right now...

Sometimes it's hard to remember how good that stuff is...

Awesome!


:elvis:

ELVIS
06-03-2009, 07:44 PM
CLASSIC!

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:elvis:

ELVIS
06-03-2009, 09:35 PM
This is a good, no, great, Ozzy vocal performance...

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:elvis:

ELVIS
06-03-2009, 09:42 PM
Ozzy sounded a bit worn out here, but you can still feel his energy...

Randy is just lovely...

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:elvis:

ELVIS
06-03-2009, 09:43 PM
Listen how good Ozzy sings here...

Jake is really good too...

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:elvis:

Diamondjimi
06-04-2009, 12:04 AM
Randy is just lovely...


:elvis:

Lovely?


Never heard him described as that before ,not that there's anything wrong with it...:turninggay:

When I think of Rhoads I think kick ass ,amazing ,incredible... jus' sayin.. ;)

Diamondjimi
06-04-2009, 12:11 AM
Listen how good Ozzy sings here...

Jake is really good too...

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:elvis:

Fuck , I forgot how good Ozz could be on a good night. Would'nt mind a copy of that show.

Good find!

ELVIS
06-04-2009, 12:14 AM
Well, what he's doing isn't all that difficult or even amazing, but it just flows in a "lovely" way...

It's really well thought out guitar playing, which I guess is why I called it lovely...


:elvis:

ELVIS
06-04-2009, 12:15 AM
Fuck , I forgot how good Ozz could be on a good night. Would'nt mind a copy of that show.

Good find!

I've watched that ten times or so and I find it better each time...

Ozzy was the king in those days...


:elvis:

Diamondjimi
06-04-2009, 12:55 AM
I've watched that ten times or so and I find it better each time...

Ozzy was the king in those days...


:elvis:

Saw him live on the D.O.A.M. tour '82 ,3 months post Randy ,and he sucked ass ,pissed drunk. Saw him again in '86 and he wasn't much better. But damn he's fucking mint at RIO.

The only cheesy thing about Jake is the swingin the hips and spin shit. Always reminded me of cheesy hair bar band moves ... Nontheless a smokin player who I always hoped would've kept a higher profile (post Ozzy/Badlands)...

ELVIS
06-04-2009, 12:59 AM
That's one of Jake's best performances...

He has really good sound, not that effected crap I usually associate with him...

Nevertheless, Jake was much better than I gave him credit at the time...


:elvis:

binnie
06-04-2009, 02:29 AM
Jake is an exceptional player. The first Badlands record was great, shame it didn't work out for them.

Hellraiser!!
06-04-2009, 10:12 AM
That's the most fucked up thing I read in the last few years, musically speaking.

Ozzy is just a manipulated monkey, manipulated by the most evil thing to ever walk the hall of music, Sharon Osbourne.

Ozzy committed a big mistake in 1989...

bueno bob
06-04-2009, 11:20 AM
Well, it all seems very clear cut to me. Ozzy, Geezer and Bill should be rightfully entitled to 25&#37; of whatever their name/likeness is on, and Tony, as the name owner of Black Sabbath, should be able to see his way clear to providing them that. That's just everyone getting a fair share since they all had their names and faces on the albums, period.

But to say that Ozzy (or for that matter anyone else) is entitled to 50% of everything ever released under the name of Black Sabbath is just fucking stupid. I mean, seriously, what's next? Will Ozzy and Sharon sue me for 50% of my paycheck because I listened to Blizzard of Ozz on my Zune while I was on my lunch break at work?

Fuck, I can see her legal argument already...

"Well, Ozzy was part of your environment when you were employed, dear Robert, he does in fact deserve his cut of that! Did the music not fire you up enough to go back and perform your job adequately? Be careful how you answer because I could sue you also for not properly enjoying that album the way you should you cocksucker!"

I mean, Jesus H. Seriously. Sharon Osbourne should be banned from every courtroom on Earth ever again for the rest of time.

bueno bob
06-04-2009, 11:22 AM
Let's hear Dio do Sabbath Bloody Sabbath again...LMAO!

Well, it wouldn't sound anything like Ozzy, that's for sure...but would you really want it to? Honestly, I'm glad Ronnie put his own twist onto those old Ozzy songs, I certainly wouldn't have wanted to hear him cloning Ozzy during live performances and in almost every case, I've enjoyed hearing what Ronnie did with them live. His version of Sweet Leaf was fabulous, I wish that would have made it onto Live Evil...

Mr Walker
06-04-2009, 01:44 PM
Ben Evans from Lawdit.co.uk has posted the following commentary regarding the BLACK SABBATH internal trademark dispute:

Lead singer OZZY OSBOURNE is reportedly suing the band's guitarist Tony Iommi over the rights to the bands name. Iommi registered Black Sabbath as a trade mark in the US in 2000 and claims that when Osbourne left the band in the 1980's he relinquished any rights he had in the band's name.

"Tony, I am so sorry it's had to get to this point by me having to take this action against you,".

"We've all worked too hard and long in our careers to allow you to sell merchandise that features all our faces, old Black Sabbath album covers and band logos, and then you tell us that you own the copyright."

Osbourne reportedly want's the original band members to share Black Sabbath's name equally: "I hope that by me taking this first step that it will ultimately end up that way." However, at present it seems he is seeking 50&#37; ownership.

Interestingly enough this dispute bears remarkable similarities to the case of Peter Byford v (1) Graham Oliver (2) Steven Dawson (2003) which related to the metal band SAXON. In this case the line-up of the band had been constantly changing and on leaving the band in 1985 and 1995 respectively Oliver and Dawson registered the name as a trademark. It was held that the band was a partnership at will and as such all rights in the name of the band were owned by the members jointly, where a member left the band and was replaced then the name and goodwill belonged to the successive partnerships.

If the claim was brought in the UK then applying the Saxon case (presuming there is no band agreement) it would seem likely that the trademark will be deemed to belong to the current band line up, which incidentally is back to the original 1968 line-up.

katie
06-04-2009, 06:01 PM
Ozzy signed away his rights in a contract in 1980.

Case closed.

Terry
06-04-2009, 08:10 PM
Ozzy signed away his rights in a contract in 1980.

Case closed.

So Ozzy now wants all original Sabbath members to share the royalties equally, yet Ozzy is suing for 50%? Hmmmm...suing for 50% in hopes that eventually all the members will share equally...

Not that it picks my pocket one way or the other, but I hope Ozzy and his wife get nothing from the action. That's exactly what they deserve.

GAR
06-04-2009, 08:35 PM
I just saw a Samsung mobile phone commercial with Ozzy playing his typical addled brainfart act.

I think it's not an act. Let's see him act normally in a deposition..

Diamondjimi
06-04-2009, 08:46 PM
I just saw a Samsung mobile phone commercial..

At the bus station?

Mr. Vengeance
06-04-2009, 08:57 PM
As far as I'm concerned, Ozzy's signing was never better than on Vol. 4. In fact Sabbath as a whole never made a better album.

bueno bob
06-05-2009, 02:47 AM
Believe it or not, I think Vol. 4 is actually a bit too diverse for my own tastes...as far as the "classic six" (Black Sabbath-Sabotage), it's probably my least favorite. For me, the top six Ozzy/Sabbath albums in order are Sabotage, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Paranoid, Master of Reality, Black Sabbath and Vol. 4 in that order...

bueno bob
06-05-2009, 02:48 AM
You know, I have to give credit where credit's due...this has been the most exciting Black Sabbath thread for about as long as I can remember. Unfortunate that such shitty circumstances brought it about.

katie
06-05-2009, 07:46 AM
Believe it or not, I think Vol. 4 is actually a bit too diverse for my own tastes...as far as the "classic six" (Black Sabbath-Sabotage), it's probably my least favorite. For me, the top six Ozzy/Sabbath albums in order are Sabotage, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Paranoid, Master of Reality, Black Sabbath and Vol. 4 in that order...

VOL 4 was the first Sab LP I heard (LP remember them)
I love it awesome songs Wheels of Confusion, Supernaut,Tomorrows Dream....

In order I would say -

Sabotage
Vol 4
Master of Reality
Sabbath bloody Sabbath
Paranoid
Black Sabbath
Technical Ecstasy
Never Say Die

Mr Walker
06-05-2009, 09:30 AM
I love Vol 4 but everytime I listen to it I slip into a real dark depression... kinda weird.

I'd rate Sabotoge as the best Ozzy era disc with Sabbath Bloody Sabbath as #2... that being said they are all 5 star discs... well, TE & NSD might be 4.5 stars.

Panamark
06-05-2009, 09:59 AM
Hows this new fucking Rockschool with "Sharon" teaching
Bert Michaels rejects how to keep their tits inside a shirt
while eating....

FUCK SHE PISSES ME OFF !!!

Spiral Architect takes me to a nice place.... Fuck it....

GAR
06-05-2009, 10:02 AM
Never say die is pretty upskirtlifting!

Panamark
06-05-2009, 10:04 AM
They should appoint a neutral legal team, not the Sharon Arden
beaks to resolve this one.. It must twist her bunghole constantly
not having "control" over the Sabs naming rights.... :biggrin:

I would say "Fuck her" but I wouldnt hit it with Binnies Yogurt
pumper..... Maybe Binnie draws the line here ???

Panamark
06-05-2009, 10:05 AM
Never say die is pretty upskirtlifting!

Whilst in that mode, Backstreet Kids sounds most excellent at 11 !!!

bueno bob
06-05-2009, 12:17 PM
Amazingly enough, I actually prefer Never Say Die over Technical Ecstasy...I guess I'm the odd duck on that one, most people hate Never Say Die with a passion and will find ways to defend Technical Ecstasy.

Of the first six, though, Katie's definitely right, they're all 5 star albums, for sure...

atomicpunk5151
06-05-2009, 12:18 PM
Ozzy signed away his rights in a contract in 1980.

Case closed.

Not exactly, a few more facts are coming out.

This is from another source:

"Anyway, my Music Contracts teacher is a bigtime lawyer in the music business and also happens to be a good friend of Ozzy and Sharon (I was disappointed in him as well), so I asked him about the case and whether or not Ozzy has a chance of winning it, and basically, even though Ozzy signed away his rights, he still has a real good case here, and the reason is totally fucked up.

Apperantly, even though Ozzy didn't have the rights, Tony has been giving him a good portion of the profits from the merchandise for many, many years, thus creating an implied contract that may legally override the written contract that was drawn up back in '80. Recently, however, Tony made a new deal of some sort and Ozzy is not seeing profits from it this time. So Ozzy has been profiting for many years on what was not his, and because he can prove that he has become accustomed to that income, he is legally entitled to keep getting it."

atomicpunk5151
06-05-2009, 12:27 PM
Listen how good Ozzy sings here...

Jake is really good too...

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:elvis:

Not to go semi off topic.....

But where is Shesh at? Usually he will chime in with the Jake love as well in.

He actually made me see that Jake was a killer player that I underrated for years because he wasn't Randy.

There are a few better dvd/videos that you can get of Jake with Ozzy. The best are Salt Lake City 84, Tokyo 84 & Kansas City 86.

Mr Walker
06-05-2009, 12:28 PM
Of the first six, though, Katie's definitely right, they're all 5 star albums, for sure...

Thanks alot... lol

bueno bob
06-05-2009, 12:31 PM
Thanks alot... lol

Oh whatever. I'm half stoned anyway, lmao! I'm lucky I got the five star part right...

:)

bueno bob
06-05-2009, 12:33 PM
Not exactly, a few more facts are coming out.

This is from another source:

"Anyway, my Music Contracts teacher is a bigtime lawyer in the music business and also happens to be a good friend of Ozzy and Sharon (I was disappointed in him as well), so I asked him about the case and whether or not Ozzy has a chance of winning it, and basically, even though Ozzy signed away his rights, he still has a real good case here, and the reason is totally fucked up.

Apperantly, even though Ozzy didn't have the rights, Tony has been giving him a good portion of the profits from the merchandise for many, many years, thus creating an implied contract that may legally override the written contract that was drawn up back in '80. Recently, however, Tony made a new deal of some sort and Ozzy is not seeing profits from it this time. So Ozzy has been profiting for many years on what was not his, and because he can prove that he has become accustomed to that income, he is legally entitled to keep getting it."

That's going to be SUCH a load of shit if they win based on those circumstances. Seriously, Sharon and Ozzy need to find their way underneath the wheels of the nearest bus ASAP...

Fuck...

FORD
06-05-2009, 01:24 PM
Of the first six, though, Katie's definitely right, they're all 5 star albums, for sure...

That "first six" rule seems to work with a lot of bands.

Sabbath. Ac/Dc. Van Halen. Led Zeppelin. Probably others, but my brain isn't fully caffeinated yet.

katie
06-05-2009, 06:39 PM
They should appoint a neutral legal team, not the Sharon Arden


It was under Sharon's watch that Ozzy signed his rights away.

Remember she was looking after Ozzy at this point and her father Don was looking after Sabbath.

Sabbath had aproached him as he also looked after ELO who were friends of Sabbath as well.

Golden AWe
06-06-2009, 04:36 PM
That "first six" rule seems to work with a lot of bands.

Sabbath. Ac/Dc. Van Halen. Led Zeppelin. Probably others, but my brain isn't fully caffeinated yet.

The Doors...

I think it would be interesting to put up a thread who made it properly past the first six...like Queen...

FORD
06-06-2009, 04:41 PM
The Doors...

I think it would be interesting to put up a thread who made it properly past the first six...like Queen...

Yeah, Queen managed 8 albums before they started going downhill.

The "Crown Jewels" box set was very aptly named.

katie
06-07-2009, 01:24 PM
Yeah, Queen managed 8 albums before they started going downhill.

The "Crown Jewels" box set was very aptly named.

I love early Queen, to me their best work was with Roy Thomas Baker.

Outstanding arrangements and harmonies.

Coyote
06-07-2009, 02:11 PM
Yeah, Queen managed 8 albums before they started going downhill.

I can't answer that objectively, due to Queen being a major part of my childhood's soundtrack...

Terry
06-07-2009, 08:58 PM
Not exactly, a few more facts are coming out.

This is from another source:

"Anyway, my Music Contracts teacher is a bigtime lawyer in the music business and also happens to be a good friend of Ozzy and Sharon (I was disappointed in him as well), so I asked him about the case and whether or not Ozzy has a chance of winning it, and basically, even though Ozzy signed away his rights, he still has a real good case here, and the reason is totally fucked up.

Apperantly, even though Ozzy didn't have the rights, Tony has been giving him a good portion of the profits from the merchandise for many, many years, thus creating an implied contract that may legally override the written contract that was drawn up back in '80. Recently, however, Tony made a new deal of some sort and Ozzy is not seeing profits from it this time. So Ozzy has been profiting for many years on what was not his, and because he can prove that he has become accustomed to that income, he is legally entitled to keep getting it."

Would surmise Tony had been giving Ozzy profits of the merchandising he wasn't legally obligated to in order to keep the peace...so now the reasoning is that...oh, fuck it.

katie
06-08-2009, 11:44 AM
Would surmise Tony had been giving Ozzy profits of the merchandising he wasn't legally obligated to in order to keep the peace...so now the reasoning is that...oh, fuck it.

That's the way I read it but,

He gave Ozzy some profits as he was using Sharon to manage/promote these sabbath tours via ozzfest ect.

As soon as Ozzfest ended he stopped payments.

Sounds about right to me.

letsrock
06-08-2009, 12:10 PM
sharon has turned into her father.

bueno bob
06-08-2009, 03:01 PM
sharon has turned into her father.

Hopefully she has the same fate soon.

Terry
06-08-2009, 08:37 PM
That's the way I read it but,

He gave Ozzy some profits as he was using Sharon to manage/promote these sabbath tours via ozzfest ect.

As soon as Ozzfest ended he stopped payments.

Sounds about right to me.


Which would make sense, that Iommi would be giving Ozzy some merchandising profits when Sabbath were playing the Ozzfests, or when Sabbath reunited with Ozzy and played in the U.K.; even if he wasn't required to, that would be only fair, as Ozzy was playing with Sabbath during those events.

ELVIS
06-09-2009, 02:49 AM
Another great Ozzy performance!

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:elvis:

ELVIS
06-09-2009, 03:16 AM
This is awesome too...

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:elvis:

PHOENIX
06-10-2009, 05:58 PM
HUH?:indifferent0020:

sonrisa salvaje
06-12-2009, 09:31 PM
Man, i had to pull out Technical Ecstasy because i haven't listened to it for a long time. Granted, the album as a whole is good but not great....but how f'in good is Gypsy and Dirty Women? I mean smokin' tunes....my god.
As for Never Say Die, it was always one of my favorites just because it was Ozzy's last and the first three tracks, Never Say Die/ Johnny Blade/ Junior's Eyes, are just killer. I think the classic line up didn't go out with the bang of Sabotage or Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, but they damn sure didn't go out with a wimper.

ELVIS
06-13-2009, 02:23 AM
Did you say Dirty Women ??

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:elvis:

ELVIS
06-13-2009, 02:25 AM
Ozzy actually knew the words...:)

ELVIS
06-13-2009, 02:38 AM
Compare these performances...

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1997 reunion version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y779frzZJME)

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I think Ozzy may have sang it better in '97...


:elvis:

bueno bob
06-13-2009, 03:42 AM
Between Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, Never Say Die wins it for me every time. It just sounds like a more balanced album to my ears when I compare it against TE...I have no doubt it's due to the fact that Tony was FIRMLY in control at that point. I think TE sounds more sporadic to me because Tony was just sliding into the drivers seat while the rest of the band was falling apart - by the time they were in the studio for NSD, he was the fully established leader and had a plan of attack going in.

Personal opinion only, of course, but that's how it rings to me.

yah
06-13-2009, 06:09 AM
Heaven and Hell is playing great and having success and the OZZburneds should just do another tv show and sulk!!!!

LMFAO

sonrisa salvaje
06-13-2009, 09:48 AM
Between Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, Never Say Die wins it for me every time. It just sounds like a more balanced album to my ears when I compare it against TE...I have no doubt it's due to the fact that Tony was FIRMLY in control at that point. I think TE sounds more sporadic to me because Tony was just sliding into the drivers seat while the rest of the band was falling apart - by the time they were in the studio for NSD, he was the fully established leader and had a plan of attack going in.

Personal opinion only, of course, but that's how it rings to me.

Totally agree.

katie
06-16-2009, 06:19 AM
This is probably also a culmination of everything that`s happened in the recording industry lately.

Nobody is buying CDs and Ozzy can`t sing live anymore, so that`s the two main revenue earners out the window.

Not to mention the fact that he altered his two most popular albums and noone wants to buy them anymore.

With that, "The Osbournes" and now this, Ozzy is in danger of becoming a hated figure in Rock N Roll.

And that`s a shame.

It is also a shame the way he treats band memebers.

Remember Bob Daisley?

Here is another reminder of what a free loading tosser Ozzy really is.

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BOB DAISLEY Discusses RANDY RHOADS And Early Days With OZZY OSBOURNE - Apr. 9, 2005

Cameron Edney from Inside_Out666 recently conducted an in-depth interview with legendary bassist Bob Daisley (OZZY OSBOURNE, RAINBOW, URIAH HEEP, GARY MOORE). Several excerpts from the interview follow:

Inside_Out666: I have heard that Ronnie James Dio is a very hard man to work with. Did you find this working with him in RAINBOW?

Bob Daisley: "Not in RAINBOW so much because I think everybody accepted the fact that it was Ritchie's band, it started off being called RITCHIE BLACKMORE'S RAINBOW and then by the time the second album was released they had dropped the Ritchie Blackmore bit and just billed it as RAINBOW, but it was really Ritchie's band.

"I did a few shows with Ronnie at the end of 1998. He called me because he needed a bass player as his bass player at the time couldn't do the Scandinavian tour. Ronnie had asked me to do it. So I sat at home with some of the records and went through the tracks and then rehearsed with them. I flew to London, Ronnie was doing a show there the day I arrived which I went to and had a look at. The following night we flew to Scandinavia and did a show there. I was still jet lagged and as my dad had just died I wasn't in a great frame of mind, but Ronnie was OK to work with, I mean, he's quite particular in what he wants but he didn't seem much different to me to the time we spent together in RAINBOW. I suppose it depends on the individual, the situation etc."

Inside_Out666: Going back to the song writing, every artist has their own way of writing and composing. The fantastic list of songs that you have written during your time with OZZY OSBOURNE alone is endless let alone your contributions in URIAH HEEP, GARY MOORE and so on. For you what comes first the music or the lyrics?

Bob Daisley: "Well, sometimes I get lyrical ideas and I think 'Ahh! There's a good idea,' and just jot it down, and sometimes we might be working out chords or riffs and you think, 'Ahh! Those lyrics that I jotted down that day might fit with this.' A lot of the time you just come up with riffs and then you think well what should this song be about, the attitude of the song, 'Maybe this' or 'Let's make it about that,' and then you might write lyrics for it after that.

"With a lot of the Ozzy stuff, no matter what guitar player it was, whether it was Randy [Rhoads], Jake [E. Lee] or Zakk [Wylde] or whoever it was, we would sit down and work out a lot of the music first and then Ozzy would come in. Ozzy's quite good at vocal melodies but he doesn't write lyrics. So he would just sing any old nonsense over the top of the music that we had written and then I'd take tapes away of his melodies and his phrasing then I'd write lyrics to it.

"Some of the content of it I came up with and sometimes he'd just have a title and he'd say, 'Oh, I've got this title, write it about this.' I remember there was one of the songs from 'The Ultimate Sin' called 'Thank God for the Bomb' and I thought, 'Well, what the fuck do you write that about, it sounds like a warmonger or something. What I wrote it about was that it's the one thing that’s stopping major wars.

Inside_Out666: It's really funny I would have thought that now Ozzy was out on his own, he would have contributed a lot more in the way of writing lyrics?

Bob Daisley: "No, not at all, he's never been a lyricist even when he was in BLACK SABBATH. Geezer wrote all the lyrics. You know he would come up with one line like in 'Suicide Solution'. I came up with the title and I came up with what it was going to be about, it was about him."

Inside_Out666: Oh, really? It’s funny you say that because a few days back I was watching Ozzy's video "Don't Blame Me" where he says he wrote "Suicide Solution" about Bon Scott (AC/DC)?

Bob Daisley: "He's a fuck. He didn't write it. I know what I wrote it about. Ozzy, at the time, had been kicked out of BLACK SABBATH and this was our first album. Ozzy was drinking himself to death. He would start drinking at lunch time and carry on all through the afternoon into the evening. Sometimes when we were writing, Randy and I would go looking for him and there he'd be passed out in front of the fireplace, pissed himself, comatose. 'Yeah, this is really productive' [laughs]. 'You keep that up, Ozzy, [and] we're gonna get fuck-all done & you're gonna kill yourself.' Ozzy came up with the first line, which I think is from something else, anyway, it's not even his but he did say it, and that was 'Wine is fine but whiskey's quicker.' That was the only line he came up with and I wrote the rest of the song about him as a warning to killing himself with alcohol. Bon Scott did die during the recording of that album in 1980. I remember hearing about Bon. It was horrible, he was a mate of mine. I would certainly admit to it if I had written it about Bon Scott because we were friends but I wrote it about Ozzy. It's blatant what he does, you know, in interviews and things. 'Well, when I wrote this and when I wrote that.' That's bullshit, Ozzy, and you know it!"

Inside_Out666: I personally believe that both albums are Ozzy's best stuff closely followed by "No More Tears". But on those two albums in particular you spent a lot of time with Randy Rhoads writing and recording. If there is one person I would love to know more about, it's Randy. Can you tell us what it was like working with Randy during that time and what he was like to hang out with?

Bob Daisley: "I first met Randy in Jet Records office in London in 1979. What happened was I met Ozzy in a club in London one night. There was a band on called GIRL and I went to see them with a mate of mine because I knew they were signed to Jet Records. I'd been with Jet Records while I was in WIDOWMAKER and I was out of RAINBOW looking for something to do and I thought if I go along to see GIRL tonight at least I'll know people there from Jet Records. Ozzy was signed to Jet Records, he'd been signed with BLACK SABBATH and then BLACK SABBATH fired him but Jet Records kept Ozzy and not SABBATH.

"So, anyway, one of the Jet Records blokes introduced me to Ozzy, and Ozzy said, 'I want to put a band together, I've heard good things about you I know you've come from RAINBOW. Would you be interested?' I said, 'Yeah, certainly.'

"Ozzy and I got on great. A couple of days later, I got a phone call from Jet Records asking me to go up to Ozzy's place. At the time Ozzy was living in Stafford, he came to the station to meet me, picked me up in his car and we drove back to his house and he had a couple of mates there just local musicians, we had a bit of a play and Ozzy and I got on really well together.

"Ozzy phoned Arthur Sharpe from Jet Records, he was the one who introduced us, and I still remember Ozzy's words, 'Oh, yeah, Bob, and I get on like a house on fire, the fire brigades just left.' I had said to Ozzy, 'If you want to get really serious about this and you want it to be world-class, I don't think those other two guys are world-class. They're OK, they're nice blokes and they play OK, but I don't think it'll work out. Ozzy said, 'Hang on a minute.' He had this rehearsal room at the side of his house and he walked into where they were and said, 'Hey, fellas, it's not working out. Pack up, you can go home.' [laughs] Just like that.

"He came up to me and he said, 'I know this great guitar player in L.A. His name's Randy Rhoads.' He said he's a guitar teacher. When he said he was a guitar teacher I had envisioned this older guy with a pipe and wearing slippers and an old dressing gown on [laughs] teaching kids to play.

"They flew Randy over to London, I went into Jet Records and met Randy. I think he was 22 then and we went up on a train to Ozzy's house in Stafford. One thing that still sticks in my mind from then was we had a bit of a play together and we knew something was happening it was gelling. Randy and I looked at each other right at the same time and said to each other, 'Oh, I like the way you play.' We started putting ideas together, there weren't any lyrics and Ozzy was just sort of singing tunes over the top of what we were comin up with musically. We started auditioning drummers as we were writing the stuff as well so we were trying to get things happening while we had drummers sit in with us and some of them were good they just weren't right.

"We would go to rehearsal places, they were live-in places where you could rehearse day and night if you wanted to and you could live there. I remember staying at one of the places and it was called Transam Trucking, and I came down the next morning and Ozzy and Randy were there and they had some words put together for one of the songs on the first album. I can't remember what song it was they had spent ages on it and they had about four lines written. I read them and thought, 'God, these are fuckin awful. I better write the lyrics.'

"So I wore the lyricist hat only because Randy wasn't a lyricist and neither was Ozzy, and I thought, 'I don't want to be part of embarrassing lyrics' [laughs]. So off we went and rehearsed, started putting lyrics together and right at the very end we had Lee Kerslake audition and he was the last drummer we had on the list and we thought, 'Let's hope he's good and if he didn't work out then the record company was saying, 'We need to get you in the studio to do the album, it's getting later and later.'

"So, if Lee didn't work out we probably would have gone into the studio with somebody like Cozy Powell, somebody who could have done a good enough session on the album.

"But as soon as Lee started playing, Randy and I looked at each other and thought 'Thank fuck, where's he been.' Lee was drummer number thirty nine that we had auditioned, loads of them we auditioned. Each day we had 4–5 drummers come in.

"Jet Records would phone us up and say, 'Well, we've got another list for ya. So and so at two o'clock, someone else at three, someone else at four,' but Lee worked out great, he was perfect for the band he was just what we wanted.

"Randy's mum owned a music school and Randy started playing at the age of five which is one the reasons he was so good at it. Having the classical background really helped with Randy's style of rock guitar playing. Most rock guitar players have had a rock or blues orientated background where Randy had a lot of classical stuff mixed in there, which helped with a lot of chord structures and unusual things for rock music. We used to call Randy 'Mal' it was short for malnutrition [laughs] he was really skinny, he had an athletic build and we used to call his girlfriend Jodie 'Anna' short for anorexia but they were both really nice and they really suited each other. Randy was a very gentle person he was never aggressive or loud. He was sarcastic at times and he would take the piss out of people without them really knowing. Randy had a very dry sense of humour; he wasn't your typical pie-in-the-face American. Sometimes we would go out to restaurants and I remember one time we were in Ridge farm in Surrey England, Randy, Lee Kerslake and I went down near Brighton on the coast and there was a model railway exhibition. Randy was into model trains and so was I, so the three of us went down to see this railway exhibition. I think I’ve got photos of that with trains running in front of Randy [laughs].

"The first time Randy and I ever went to Ozzy's house to play together, I remember standing on Stafford station with Randy and at this time nobody had a clue what was gonna happen with the band, how big it was going to be or if we were going to have any success at all. All of a sudden, I had this thought that one day people were going to continuously ask me 'What was Randy like?' 'What was it like to play with Randy?' 'What was he really like?' I didn't know at the time why I was having these thoughts. It must have been a premonition of things to come."

Inside_Out666: During the middle of the "Diary of a Madman" tour I believe Lee and yourself were fired?

Bob Daisley: "No, it was only about three or four days after we finished recording the album. I'll go back to what the band was about, and that is the band was called BLIZZARD OF OZZ, it wasn't called the OZZY OSBOURNE BAND or just OZZY OSBOURNE solo band it was a band called BLIZZARD OF OZZ. Ozzy's father came up with the idea of it and Ozzy told us about it. We thought, 'At least that sounds like a band.' See, the record company was saying to us, 'Well, just call the act OZZY or the OZZY OSBOURNE BAND.' We said 'Fuck that, it doesn't sound like a band,' and we wanted something that sounded like a band. The record company has said, 'Well, on the first album we need to use the name Ozzy Osbourne.' We all said, 'We don't mind if you put the BLIZZARD OF OZZ in big writing and underneath it 'featuring Ozzy Osbourne.' We don't mind that.' We can utilize the fact that it's Ozzy's voice and that he's come from SABBATH and all that. So what did they do? They fucked us over. They put OZZY OSBOURNE in big writing and in smaller writing the BLIZZARD OF OZZ which made it look like an OZZY OSBOURNE record called the 'Blizzard of Ozz'. We thought, 'You cunts.'"

Inside_Out666: So really it’s an album with no name?

Bob Daisley: "[Laughs] Well, the first album was just supposed to be called 'Blizzard of Ozz' like BAD COMPANY's first album was just called 'Bad Company' and LED ZEPPELIN's first album was just called 'Led Zeppelin'. So when it came time to do the second album actually I came up with the title 'Diary of a Madman'. I still remember where I was. I was walking up Holland Park Ave near Holland Park where I lived in London with Ozzy and we were walking up to the shops and I said, 'I've got a good name for the next album,' and he said, 'What's that?' I said 'Diary of a Madman'. 'Oh, that's fuckin great. I love that. You come up with good things.' So I came up with that title and obviously wrote all the words for all the songs on the album. See, Sharon was on the scene then and Ozzy and Sharon were heavily involved with each other while he was married. The whole vibe of the band had changed; it wasn't like a band anymore.

"Sharon was all 'I'm gonna promote Ozzy. It's going to be OZZY OSBOURNE, that's the name the act will be called.' It was all Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy. I think she wanted to keep Randy and promote him as a separate entity as well and make it the Ozzy show but they didn’t hint at anything until they got the album out of us written and recorded. Then about 2–3 days after we finished recording the album, we thought 'Well, we'll be going to America soon to start the tour,' and I got a phone call from Sharon just saying, 'You and Lee are out.' Just like that. So I said, 'Wait a minute, it's our band.' 'No, not anymore.' What about our royalties? 'End of story,' she says, and I said, 'We'll see about that,' and I went to a lawyer and we sued them. We got money out of Jet Records and Don Arden, Sharon's father. It finally went to court in 1986 and we got a pay-out. We thought our royalties would continue, but they didn't, and that's why we had to sue them again later."

Inside_Out666: Speaking of that lawsuit; is it still going or is it over?

Bob Daisley: "Well, it's over for the minute unless new information comes up or something different happens. See we went to the Supreme Court in America and we got denied a trial. We went to the lawyers at the end of '97 in L.A. and our lawyers said, 'You've got a really good case here,' and we should have won. The first three years, the judge that was involved in the case was saying to us, 'Go for it.' Every issue that came up she kept in (it was a female judge), and then out of the blue after three fuckin years, we didn't have a case. This from the same judge who has been behind us all this time. So I don't know if money changed hands or if strings had been pulled or backs had been scratched, but it was right at the time that 'The Osbournes' show became really big, right at the time that the Osbournes became richer than ever and more connected than ever all of a sudden we didn't have a case."

Inside_Out666: Actually with you bringing that up it makes me curious to know why you went back and continued to work with Ozzy?

Bob Daisley: "Well, that's a bit of a long story but I will give you a brief outline of what happened. In '82, when Lee and I got fired after the 'Diary' thing, we were suing Don Arden and Jet Records. Ozzy and Sharon had a big fallout with Jet Records and Don Arden, her father, so they came to us and said, 'We will help you in your lawsuit against Jet Records, we will confirm that you’re supposed to get royalties,' and they had meetings with our lawyers and so I thought, 'Oh, good, they are going to help us.' In 1983 we used to go out for dinners etc, they were helping us but I didn't realize what scumbags they were because unbeknownst to us, in 1983 they bought the rights to Ozzy's catalogue from Jet Records. So they were receiving our royalties and they didn’t even tell us [laughs]. We were still suing Don Arden and Jet Records, so we ended up suing the wrong people but he did end up paying us out up to the point in time that he owned the catalogue. But after that they were getting our royalties and we didn't know, we didn't even find out until the Nineties. They were being sly and deceitful by pretending to help us but at the same time in July '83 they bought Ozzy from Jet Records and Don Arden. I've seen the contracts. People say, 'Well, why did you go back and work with them if you knew?' But we didn't know they were getting our royalties. What we did know was that we beat Don Arden in court in 1986 and we got a payout and then we knew that he went bankrupt and he had no fuckin dough and we thought, 'Well, where are our royalties going? Maybe he's stealing our royalties and he's paying off his bankruptcy fees.' We didn't know that the Osbournes were getting them the whole time."

For the rest of the interview, visit Inside_Out666.

DavidLeeNatra
06-16-2009, 07:54 AM
Fuck O$$Y...

sonrisa salvaje
06-16-2009, 10:12 AM
Very interesting interview. Sharon was a manipulater from the very beginning. As f'd up as Ozzy was, i wonder if he even knew he was getting the royalties. Didn't Bob come back and play with Ozzy again on No Rest For The Wicked circa 1988 or so? Or was that No More Tears?

Anonymous
06-16-2009, 02:01 PM
Statement from OZZY OSBOURNE:

“It is with great regret that I had to resort to legal action against my long term partner, Tony Iommi, but after three years of trying to resolve this issue amicably, I feel I have no other recourse. As of the mid-1990’s, after constant and numerous changes in band members, the brand of "Black Sabbath" was literally in the toilet and Tony Iommi (touring under the name Black Sabbath) was reduced to performing in clubs. Since 1997 when Geezer, Bill and myself rejoined the band, Black Sabbath has returned to its former glory as we headlined sold-out arenas and amphitheatres playing to upwards of 50,000 people at each show around the world. We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name “Black Sabbath” which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively. Throughout the last 12 years, it was my management representatives who oversaw the marketing and quality control of the “Black Sabbath” brand through OZZFEST, touring, merchandising and album reissues. The name "Black Sabbath" now has a worldwide prestige and merchandising value that it would not have had by continuing on the road it was on prior to the 1997 reunion tour. Tony, I am so sorry it’s had to get to this point by me having to take this action against you. I don’t have the right to speak for Geezer and Bill, but I feel that morally and ethically the trademark should be owned by the four of us equally. I hope that by me taking this first step that it will ultimately end up that way. We’ve all worked too hard and long in our careers to allow you to sell merchandise that features all our faces, old Black Sabbath album covers and band logos, and then you tell us that you own the copyright. We’re all in our 60’s now. The Black Sabbath legacy should live on long after we have all gone. Please do the right thing.”

Link - Ozzy Osbourne OZZY SPEAKS ABOUT BLACK SABBATH TRADEMARK ISSUE | The Official Ozzy Osbourne Site (http://www.ozzy.com/news/ozzy-speaks-about-black-sabbath-trademark-issue)

Sta-what? Ozzy SPOKE the above words? 'course he didn'.

It's OZZY, fer chrissakes. Does anybody actually believe those are HIS words?

Actually, the person *cough*Sharon*cough* who wrote this, it's the stupidest of them all.

Fer the love of Gawd, if someone is trying to impersonate Ozzy, write something like this:

"Ahem, fuck, what'sitabout? The fuckin' lawsuit? What fuckin' lawsuit? Oh fuck yeah, that fuckin' lawsuit.

Dear fucking fans, I think, what?

This is all fucked up, I mean, Tony...

Er, Geezer plays the fuckin' bass, doesn't he? Where's Randy? Oh, yeah.

This fucking lawsuit shoudn't be happening, I mean, FUCK! Don't they know I was in those albums? I named the band Black fuckin' Sabbath, I even fucking sang on some fucking records.

This is fucking stupid. I mean, we were on a fucking tour! Why did they fire me?

Fuck it, I'm done. Goodbye.

Fuck."

There. Isn't that much more believable?

Jaysus.

Thanks fer the link, Katie. Guess all doubt - if there was any to begin with - is removed about who's behind this shit.

Cheers! :bottle:

Anonymous
06-16-2009, 02:04 PM
That "first six" rule seems to work with a lot of bands.

Sabbath. Ac/Dc. Van Halen. Led Zeppelin. Probably others, but my brain isn't fully caffeinated yet.

AWe added the Doors, I'll add Manowar.

There's probably a lot more out there, I'll bet.

Cheers! :bottle:

Coyote
06-18-2009, 08:55 AM
Poor Ozzy... The things $haron makes him do...

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Panamark
06-18-2009, 09:05 AM
Its an eternal struggle....

How to remember and retain respect for a former Rock hero,
while at the same time hating his wife/manager as much as Hagar...

I hold onto my original line up Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman
recordings like gold. After hearing Sharon's abortion remixes
without Kerslake and Daisley, those albums need to be
protected somewhere, by some fucking Rock police or
guardians or some shit.. NEVER BUY THOSE ALBUMS NEW !!
Make sure its the originals.. Sharons versions will make
you cry tears of blood, it really is that bad !

Mr Badguy
06-18-2009, 09:32 AM
That "first six" rule seems to work with a lot of bands.

Sabbath. Ac/Dc. Van Halen. Led Zeppelin. Probably others, but my brain isn't fully caffeinated yet.

If we`re talking studio albums:

Iron Maiden (give or take one), Queensryche, Kiss

hideyoursheep
06-19-2009, 04:56 AM
I always thought it was Ozzy's fault his crotchfruit were fucked up.

I was wrong.

It was Ozzymom all along.

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flappo
06-19-2009, 05:31 AM
That "first six" rule seems to work with a lot of bands.

Sabbath. Ac/Dc. Van Halen. Led Zeppelin. Probably others, but my brain isn't fully caffeinated yet.

yes , very odd

queen as well

queen
queen 2
sheer heart attack
night at the opera
day at the races
jazz

then live killers ( which was actually ok ) then the game which i loved but was nowhere near the egnius of their old stuff and it all started going down hill - queen using synthesisers !!!

hot space in 1982 was their diver down -odd how both shitty albums were released in the same year !!!

katie
06-19-2009, 12:06 PM
Its an eternal struggle....

How to remember and retain respect for a former Rock hero,
while at the same time hating his wife/manager as much as Hagar...

I hold onto my original line up Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman
recordings like gold. After hearing Sharon's abortion remixes
without Kerslake and Daisley, those albums need to be
protected somewhere, by some fucking Rock police or
guardians or some shit.. NEVER BUY THOSE ALBUMS NEW !!
Make sure its the originals.. Sharons versions will make
you cry tears of blood, it really is that bad !

When he does that so called promo tour promoting that book of his in Oct

If the opportunity presents itself,

I'm going to get a friend to film by camera/phone then I'm gonna ask him face to face - WHY?

If sucsessful I will upload to youtube.

sonrisa salvaje
06-19-2009, 03:39 PM
Out of all those remixed versions, and Bark At the Moon is awful by the way, i never saw a remixed Ultimate Sin. Yet it appears all the others were done. Anyone know why that is?

bueno bob
06-19-2009, 04:50 PM
Didn't Bob come back and play with Ozzy again on No Rest For The Wicked circa 1988 or so? Or was that No More Tears?

Both, actually. Bob played on No Rest for the Wicked (Geezer was photographed for the band and toured it), and also No More Tears (although I think Mike Inez was credited for it exclusively).

I don't remember entirely, but I think Bob might have only been involved in No More Tears to a partial degree, not entirely.

bueno bob
06-19-2009, 04:52 PM
Out of all those remixed versions, and Bark At the Moon is awful by the way, i never saw a remixed Ultimate Sin. Yet it appears all the others were done. Anyone know why that is?

Because of Bob, to get out of his royalties, I'd imagine. I believe Phil Soussan was the bassist on Ultimate Sin. The only reason the re-recordings and remastering was done was to avoid paying Bob and Lee any more money, so...with Phil credited on Ultimate Sin (plus the fact that camp Osbourne's been trying to bury that album for some unknown reason since the 1990s), there probably wasn't any reason to.

bueno bob
06-19-2009, 04:52 PM
When he does that so called promo tour promoting that book of his in Oct

If the opportunity presents itself,

I'm going to get a friend to film by camera/phone then I'm gonna ask him face to face - WHY?

If sucsessful I will upload to youtube.

That I very much look forward to seeing. :)

bueno bob
06-19-2009, 04:54 PM
Bob Daisley: "No, it was only about three or four days after we finished recording the album. I'll go back to what the band was about, and that is the band was called BLIZZARD OF OZZ, it wasn't called the OZZY OSBOURNE BAND or just OZZY OSBOURNE solo band it was a band called BLIZZARD OF OZZ. Ozzy's father came up with the idea of it and Ozzy told us about it. We thought, 'At least that sounds like a band.' See, the record company was saying to us, 'Well, just call the act OZZY or the OZZY OSBOURNE BAND.' We said 'Fuck that, it doesn't sound like a band,' and we wanted something that sounded like a band. The record company has said, 'Well, on the first album we need to use the name Ozzy Osbourne.' We all said, 'We don't mind if you put the BLIZZARD OF OZZ in big writing and underneath it 'featuring Ozzy Osbourne.' We don't mind that.' We can utilize the fact that it's Ozzy's voice and that he's come from SABBATH and all that. So what did they do? They fucked us over. They put OZZY OSBOURNE in big writing and in smaller writing the BLIZZARD OF OZZ which made it look like an OZZY OSBOURNE record called the 'Blizzard of Ozz'. We thought, 'You cunts.'"

I actually photoshopped the whole "Ozzy Osbourne" logo out of the cover art and made it a "Blizzard of Ozz" album after I learned that a few years back. Fucking odd as it sounds, the album actually sounds better.

:D

FORD
06-19-2009, 06:13 PM
Its an eternal struggle....

How to remember and retain respect for a former Rock hero,
while at the same time hating his wife/manager as much as Hagar...

I hold onto my original line up Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman
recordings like gold. After hearing Sharon's abortion remixes
without Kerslake and Daisley, those albums need to be
protected somewhere, by some fucking Rock police or
guardians or some shit.. NEVER BUY THOSE ALBUMS NEW !!
Make sure its the originals.. Sharons versions will make
you cry tears of blood, it really is that bad !

It's truly a sad thing that you cannot buy a single album with Randy Rhoads on it, in it's original form.

The two Quiet Riot albums were never even released outside of Japan. The one disc compilation that Rhino records put out in the mid 1990's was totally overdubbed by DuBrow with completely new vocals and some of the bass & drum parts are probably fake too.

Sharon fucked up the two studio albums with Ozzy, and the so-called live "Tribute" album always had a completely studio vocal on it.

Randy deserves better than such total bastardization of everything he ever recorded. :(

lesfunk
06-19-2009, 07:32 PM
If I could Thank you twice I would.

ELVIS
06-20-2009, 03:17 AM
It's truly a sad thing that you cannot buy a single album with Randy Rhoads on it, in it's original form.



I found originals including Speak Of The Devil, all brand new and original on ebay...

I opted for the original remasters that say Ozzy around the original cover, because they sound much better. I have an 83 or 84 version of Blizzard that sounds very thin compared to the first remasters. The Jet records sound the best though...

The original Jet records have a certain buzzy sound that makes Randy's guitar sound very intense. Something that is totally lacking on the new ruinedmasters and even Tribute...

The tribute album is nothing what randy's sound was like live...

The boots are much better...


:elvis:

FORD
06-20-2009, 03:30 AM
Yeah, I used to have a bootleg of that same show, but it was on an old cassette that's long dead now. I definitely remember how Ozzy was singing though, and it was nothing like what's on that Tribute CD.

I think that bootleg DVD of the tour with Brad Gillis on it must be overdubbed too, because Ozzy's singing too good on that as well.

Which sounds odd for a bootleg, but I'm sure this was commercially produced for TV or something.....

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ELVIS
06-20-2009, 03:36 AM
Yeah, it's overdubbed, but not too bad...

Actually the vocal underneath isn't bad...

Especially on this...

It's almost hard to tell...

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Over The Mountain was the first song and Ozzy always sound weak on that...


:elvis:

ELVIS
06-20-2009, 03:37 AM
I like ozzy's voice doubled up anyway...

FORD
06-20-2009, 03:40 AM
Brad Gillis was no Randy, but at least he got to play some real music with Ozzy, instead of the cheesy crap he churned out with Rump Ranger.

ELVIS
06-20-2009, 03:41 AM
Ozzy really was the King of metal back then...

Now his mystique is ruined...

ELVIS
06-20-2009, 03:42 AM
Brad Gillis was no Randy, but at least he got to play some real music with Ozzy, instead of the cheesy crap he churned out with Rump Ranger.

He's my favorite over Jake and Zakk...

SOTD has outstanding guitar playing on it...

ELVIS
06-20-2009, 03:49 AM
http://www.bradgillis.com/images/page1/brad&ozzy.jpg


:elvis:

ELVIS
06-20-2009, 03:50 AM
http://www.bradgillis.com/images/page1/lowerbackstage.jpg


:elvis:

Coyote
06-20-2009, 07:37 AM
yes , very odd

queen as well

queen
queen 2
sheer heart attack
night at the opera
day at the races
jazz

then live killers ( which was actually ok ) then the game which i loved but was nowhere near the egnius of their old stuff and it all started going down hill - queen using synthesisers !!!

What? No "News Of The World"?

sonrisa salvaje
06-20-2009, 10:26 AM
Because of Bob, to get out of his royalties, I'd imagine. I believe Phil Soussan was the bassist on Ultimate Sin. The only reason the re-recordings and remastering was done was to avoid paying Bob and Lee any more money, so...with Phil credited on Ultimate Sin (plus the fact that camp Osbourne's been trying to bury that album for some unknown reason since the 1990s), there probably wasn't any reason to.

I don't understand trying to bury that album. I think Ultimate was a great album and it is one of my favorites. I noticed Elvis doesn't mention that one much either.....?

atomicpunk5151
06-20-2009, 10:57 AM
I don't understand trying to bury that album. I think Ultimate was a great album and it is one of my favorites. I noticed Elvis doesn't mention that one much either.....?

They played Shot in the Dark LIVE all through the 88-89 and 91-92 tours. Then when Zakk left in 95 and Holmes came in they revamped the set a bit and SITD never came back.

"Shot" was the one song that P Soussan had writing credits on I think. That is the reason that USin is not around anymore.

Can't see them ever bringing any of those songs back to the LIVE show over the Randy or Zakk era material they do.

bueno bob
06-20-2009, 01:03 PM
I would like Speak of the Devil except for the whole Brad Gillis bit. Black Sabbath is meant to be played HEAVY. Brad Gillis just pussified all that material with his happy guitar tone. Great material but without some actual crunch on the guitar, it's essentially pointless.

FORD
06-20-2009, 01:22 PM
The story I remember hearing at the time is that Gillis had about three days to learn the Sabbath material for the shows where "Speak of the Devil" was recorded, aside from "Iron Man", "Paranoid" and "Children of the Grave", which had been in the set list all along.

And what he actually learned the songs from was Rudy Sarzo's bass tabs. Which means he was actually never even playing Tony's guitar parts at all, but rather playing Geezer's parts on guitar.

Still, not bad for three days, I guess.

ELVIS
06-20-2009, 01:28 PM
I think it's pretty heavy, just the opening riff of Symptom of The Universe is badass...

Gillis learned that material in literally three days. The solos in Black Sabbath, NIB and Never Say Die are awesome improvisational solos. The only sabbath songs he had heard at the time was paranoid, Iron Man/Children Of The Grave which he called parannoid "paranoia" as he wasn't a Sabbath fan until after the album was recorded.

In my opinion, SOTD is the best live album ever, with All The Worlds a Stage a close second and then maybe Double Live Gonzo...

As far as Ultimate Sin...it's weak. But I do like Secret Loser and Killer Of Giants...

Jake is ok on it but without Daisley and Aldridge or some other hot drummer, it just drags along...


:elvis:

FORD
06-20-2009, 03:15 PM
Sucks that we never got to hear what Randy, Sarzo, and Aldridge would have sounded like together in the studio.

Used to have this old issue of Circus magazine where Ozzy was talking about exactly that, and how he was in the process of writing the next two albums. (which means someone was writing them, though I don't know who, because Bob Daisley wasn't involved at that point) He specifically mentioned that the albums would be called "Bark at the Moon" and "Killer of Giants" - although that would later become "The Ultimate Sin". And the song "Rock n Roll Rebel" was also specifically mentioned.

Ironically, this magazine was released the same week of the plane crash in 1982, so by the time you read the article, it was already impossible. :(

Still, you gotta wonder if any demos exist of that material with Randy playing on them. The only Bark at the Moon demos that I've ever heard (somewhere on YouTube) it was clearly Jake playing, but those were really just the rhythm tracks from the album versions.

sonrisa salvaje
06-20-2009, 07:21 PM
As far as Ultimate Sin...it's weak. But I do like Secret Loser and Killer Of Giants...

Jake is ok on it but without Daisley and Aldridge or some other hot drummer, it just drags along...


:elvis:

Fair enough.

Seshmeister
06-20-2009, 08:07 PM
I think it's pretty heavy, just the opening riff of Symptom of The Universe is badass...

Gillis learned that material in literally three days. The solos in Black Sabbath, NIB and Never Say Die are awesome improvisational solos. The only sabbath songs he had heard at the time was paranoid, Iron Man/Children Of The Grave which he called parannoid "paranoia" as he wasn't a Sabbath fan until after the album was recorded.

In my opinion, SOTD is the best live album ever, with All The Worlds a Stage a close second and then maybe Double Live Gonzo...

:elvis:

Good call.

I agree which means you are correct. :)

If I want to listen to Sabbath I listen to that album.

katie
06-20-2009, 08:37 PM
In my opinion, SOTD is the best live album ever, with All The Worlds a Stage a close second and then maybe Double Live Gonzo...

:elvis:

3 great albums, with great material on them but apart from the Ozzy album, the Ted & Rush LP's were poorly recorded / mixed & produced.

I have read in various interviews over the years that Rush & Ted HATE those 2 live albums.

But I like yourself LOVE them, they are a great time capsule for that period in rock music.

Terry
06-20-2009, 09:44 PM
Sucks that we never got to hear what Randy, Sarzo, and Aldridge would have sounded like together in the studio.

Used to have this old issue of Circus magazine where Ozzy was talking about exactly that, and how he was in the process of writing the next two albums. (which means someone was writing them, though I don't know who, because Bob Daisley wasn't involved at that point) He specifically mentioned that the albums would be called "Bark at the Moon" and "Killer of Giants" - although that would later become "The Ultimate Sin". And the song "Rock n Roll Rebel" was also specifically mentioned.

Ironically, this magazine was released the same week of the plane crash in 1982, so by the time you read the article, it was already impossible. :(

Still, you gotta wonder if any demos exist of that material with Randy playing on them. The only Bark at the Moon demos that I've ever heard (somewhere on YouTube) it was clearly Jake playing, but those were really just the rhythm tracks from the album versions.

Daisley played bass on the Bark At The Moon album, as well as playing live on the Bark At The Moon tour, and Daisley also said in later interviews he wrote or co-wrote quite a bit of the material on that album as well.

Terry
06-20-2009, 09:47 PM
The story I remember hearing at the time is that Gillis had about three days to learn the Sabbath material for the shows where "Speak of the Devil" was recorded, aside from "Iron Man", "Paranoid" and "Children of the Grave", which had been in the set list all along.

And what he actually learned the songs from was Rudy Sarzo's bass tabs. Which means he was actually never even playing Tony's guitar parts at all, but rather playing Geezer's parts on guitar.

Still, not bad for three days, I guess.


Agreed, especially when considering how little time he had to learn the material...and it wasn't like he could just go on some tab internet search engine back then and get all the guitar licks on paper, either. Dude had to sit down with tapes and learn the stuff by ear.

He did a pretty good job on SOTD.

sonrisa salvaje
06-20-2009, 10:05 PM
What was the reason Gillis wasn't retained and Jake came in? Surely, he didn't leave thinking Night Ranger's formation was a better opportunity.

lesfunk
06-20-2009, 10:22 PM
He sure did . He wanted his own band rather that bee an OZZY sidestooge. Cuntsidering the Osbournes track record with regards to paying royalties, I'd say he made the right choice

FORD
06-20-2009, 10:47 PM
Daisley played bass on the Bark At The Moon album, as well as playing live on the Bark At The Moon tour, and Daisley also said in later interviews he wrote or co-wrote quite a bit of the material on that album as well.

Yeah, I know he came back later, because Sarzo had gone back to Quiet Riot. But at the time this interview was done - printed in March 1982, so it was probably a month or so before that - the band was Rhoads/Sarzo/Aldridge/Airey.

Obviously not the lineup that made it to the album, but Ozzy had at least the titles of the next two albums and a bunch of the songs planned out, to some extent. If I remember correctly, the lyrics he quoted from Rock n Roll Rebel weren't the same as what ended up on the record, so it's possible Ozzy tried to write the lyrics himself. Still would love to hear the early demos of that shit though, if they exist.

FORD
06-20-2009, 10:56 PM
What was the reason Gillis wasn't retained and Jake came in? Surely, he didn't leave thinking Night Ranger's formation was a better opportunity.

The first Rump Ranger album had just been released when Gillis was recruited for the Ozzy tour. He took the gig with the mutual understanding it would just be for the remainder of the tour. And because the corporate assholes wanted to put out a live album called "Speak of the Devil" and Ozzy didn't feel comfortable including a dead man's performances on a record with that name, Gillis got to make a record with Ozzy. Even though it was all Sabbath tunes, and not the Blizzard/Diary material he had been playing on tour.

But he wanted to go back to his own band. Maybe he would have reconsidered if he had known then that the one song most people would remember him for would be a cheese ballad sung by his drummer.

ELVIS
06-21-2009, 08:13 AM
Actually, Ozzy really liked Gillis and asked him to stay in the band, but he was already under the Night Ranger contract...

Terry
06-21-2009, 04:02 PM
Yeah, I know he came back later, because Sarzo had gone back to Quiet Riot. But at the time this interview was done - printed in March 1982, so it was probably a month or so before that - the band was Rhoads/Sarzo/Aldridge/Airey.

Obviously not the lineup that made it to the album, but Ozzy had at least the titles of the next two albums and a bunch of the songs planned out, to some extent. If I remember correctly, the lyrics he quoted from Rock n Roll Rebel weren't the same as what ended up on the record, so it's possible Ozzy tried to write the lyrics himself. Still would love to hear the early demos of that shit though, if they exist.


It wouldn't be a shock to find out that some song titles that ended up on Bark At The Moon had been conceived by Daisley as far back as the Blizzard album, to be honest. Daisley made remarks in later interviews that although Sharon and Daisley were never exactly best of friends, the Osbournes kept asking Daisley to come back, either for songwriting or recording purposes, time and time again even after Daisley and Kerslake were ejected in favor of Sarzo and Aldridge.

Sarzo and Aldridge have a definite presence and ability on stage, but neither have done anything exceptional in terms of writing or recorded studio performances, if one really thinks about it. What was Quiet Riot's biggest tune? A cover tune. Sarzo and Aldridge didn't play on the 1987 Whitesnake album, not Diary Of A Madman.

FORD
06-21-2009, 04:19 PM
Has Sarzo ever recorded an album?

Quiet Riot II - appeared on the cover, but all the bass parts previously recorded by Kelly Garni

Diary of a Madman - Credited on the cover, but all the bass parts were Bob Daisley

Metal Health - Most, if not all of the bass parts were played by Chuck Wright or Carlos Cavazo's brother Tony

Whitesnake - Not even mentioned on the album, but he's in all the videos.

lesfunk
06-21-2009, 07:16 PM
Rudy Sarzo, the most famous bassist you've never heard.
I remember an interview with Daisley who said he and Sarzo were sitting at the bar having a drink when a fan walked up to them and complimented Rudy on his great bass playing on Diary of a Madman.
Rudy thanked the kid , never mentioning that the guy who really played on the record was right next to him.
fag...

sonrisa salvaje
06-21-2009, 10:02 PM
So basically Condition Critical was Sarzo's first real recording. What a trip.

Terry
06-21-2009, 11:14 PM
Has Sarzo ever recorded an album?

Quiet Riot II - appeared on the cover, but all the bass parts previously recorded by Kelly Garni

Diary of a Madman - Credited on the cover, but all the bass parts were Bob Daisley

Metal Health - Most, if not all of the bass parts were played by Chuck Wright or Carlos Cavazo's brother Tony

Whitesnake - Not even mentioned on the album, but he's in all the videos.

Wow, didn't know that about Metal Health.

Am assuming Sarzo played on Condition Critical...did he stay in Whitesnake long enough to record on Slip Of The Toungue?

FORD
06-22-2009, 01:13 AM
So basically Condition Critical was Sarzo's first real recording. What a trip.

Yep.... even in the sessions for the third Quiet Riot album with Randy - which was never completed, but some of the songs made it onto the Rhino compilation in 1994 - Randy Rhoads actually played the bass parts.

So, had that album been finished, it would have been another to add to Rudy's list of non-accomplishments. :biggrin:

katie
06-22-2009, 04:44 AM
I like ozzy's voice doubled up anyway...

Nowdays he uses so many effects to hide that his voice is fucked,

He sounds more and more like Steven Hawking wth each passing year.

Mr. Vengeance
06-22-2009, 08:09 AM
Story has always been that Sarzo is a bass player in name only. He had the look, and could play well enough to do it live, but cannot play well enough to record, where it's heard much more clearly.

ELVIS
06-22-2009, 10:19 AM
Has Sarzo ever recorded an album?



Speak Of The Devil

Condition Critical

Project: Driver MARS, or McAlpine Aldridge Rock Sarzo

Slip Of The Tongue

Passion And Warfare

Holy Diver Live


:elvis:

sonrisa salvaje
06-22-2009, 10:57 AM
I think Sarzo was on QR's last couple records prior to Dubrow's passing. Possibly "Alive and Well" and the one after that. There was also a live album released of QR a couple of years ago which i believe was from the Metal Health or Condition Critical tour so Sarzo would have been on that as well.

I didn't know he played bass on Passion and Warfare. He must be pretty bad ass if Steve Vai hand picked him to be on that record. That was quite an accomplishment.

Terry
06-22-2009, 07:52 PM
Nowdays he uses so many effects to hide that his voice is fucked,

He sounds more and more like Steven Hawking wth each passing year.

Sounds like his band these days is tuned down to D to play a lot of those Blizzard and Diary tunes that were recorded in E-flat. Probably to accomodate the vocals, but the tunes sound terrible at that pitch.

sonrisa salvaje
06-22-2009, 10:54 PM
I see Stu Hamm played bass on Vai's Passion and Warfare so no wonder i didn't remember him playing bass on that. I see Sarzo and Coverdale credited with backing vocals or speaking parts -interesting. Sarzo did record Master of the Moon with Dio, though. That was a decent album.

FORD
06-23-2009, 12:20 AM
So then, subtracting that one from Elvis' list..... that leaves a whopping total of two studio albums that Rudy Sarzo actually played on. Maybe three or four, if he played on the later Quiet Riot albums that nobody ever heard.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, let's say four albums.

For a guy who has played in as many bands as Sarzo has, to only have 4 studio albums in 30 years to your credit, that's a Hell of a record. :biggrin:

lesfunk
06-23-2009, 11:29 AM
I see Stu Hamm played bass on Vai's Passion and Warfare so no wonder i didn't remember him playing bass on that. I see Sarzo and Coverdale credited with backing vocals or speaking parts -interesting. Sarzo did record Master of the Moon with Dio, though. That was a decent album.
Sarzo wasn't on Master of the Moon either. It was Jeff Pilsson of Dokken. Sarzo only toured.

bueno bob
06-23-2009, 02:05 PM
Rudy's always been a touring musician, definitely not a studio one. No mistaking that.

Well, fuck, best wishes to Tony Iommi. Hope he has a speedy recovery.
BLABBERMOUTH.NET - HEAVEN & HELL Guitarist's 'Back Pain' Forces METALWAY Cancelation (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=122324)

Mr Walker
06-23-2009, 02:21 PM
Well, fuck, best wishes to Tony Iommi. Hope he has a speedy recovery.
BLABBERMOUTH.NET - HEAVEN & HELL Guitarist's 'Back Pain' Forces METALWAY Cancelation (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=122324)

Yeah... I saw that.
Nothing for nothing, but I don't know why he couldn't swallow a couple of Vicodins and wash them down with some Carlsburg and do the gig.
Even more puzzling was why they were performing before Saxon at the gig... maybe Dio needs to get to sleep early?

FORD
06-23-2009, 02:27 PM
20 year old rock stars miss gigs because of bad drugs.....60 year old rock stars miss gigs because of bad backs. (Or emergency brain surgery, if they fall out of palm trees)

WACF
06-23-2009, 02:30 PM
20 year old rock stars miss gigs because of bad drugs.....60 year old rock stars miss gigs because of bad backs. (Or emergency brain surgery, if they fall out of palm trees)

Dio is what...67....the guy seems invincible.

ELVIS
06-23-2009, 02:37 PM
His voice doesn't anymore...

ELVIS
06-23-2009, 02:43 PM
I don't know why he couldn't swallow a couple of Vicodins and wash them down with some Carlsburg and do the gig.


If he seriously injured his back, which it's starting to sound like, a handfull of Vicodins wouldn't help...

I hope he's ok...

I saw this comment on blabbermouth...

"Must be from that knife Ozzy & Sharon used!"


:elvis:

lesfunk
06-23-2009, 03:16 PM
Sharon's Voodoo doll is working

sonrisa salvaje
06-23-2009, 07:59 PM
Sarzo wasn't on Master of the Moon either. It was Jeff Pilsson of Dokken. Sarzo only toured.

You are absolutely correct! Damn, i go and try to give Rudy some credit and he still doesn't show up.

lesfunk
06-23-2009, 08:03 PM
If it's any help, They say he's a pleasant fellow.... :/

katie
06-23-2009, 08:08 PM
Dio is what...67....the guy seems invincible.


His voice doesn't anymore...

For an old age pensioner of 67 it does.

The guy rocks!

DavidLeeNatra
06-24-2009, 01:48 AM
20 year old rock stars miss gigs because of bad drugs.....60 year old rock stars miss gigs because of bad backs. (Or emergency brain surgery, if they fall out of palm trees)

go keeeeeeeeeeeeeeef! gooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

http://images.craveonline.com/article_imgs/Image/UseKEEF(1).jpg

bueno bob
06-24-2009, 02:31 PM
For an old age pensioner of 67 it does.

The guy rocks!

He's got what, ten or twelve years on Ozzy and probably twice the amount of voice usage cumulatively? Considering he's been recording and touring since at least, what, 1959 or so?

Ozzy can't do boo shit without ProTools backing him up and a teleprompter. Ronnie still sounds better than a LOT of kids a quarter of his age.

No argument who's held up better over the years. None at all.

Satan
06-24-2009, 05:20 PM
There are times that I really regret buying John Osbourne's soul, back in 1968. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d085.gif

lesfunk
06-24-2009, 05:44 PM
It certainly has lost some resale value eh?

ELVIS
06-25-2009, 12:04 AM
<embed src="http://blip.tv/play/AYGLrGyYqA4" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="720" height="606" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed>


:elvis:

ELVIS
06-25-2009, 12:13 AM
Check this out!

:biggrin:

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I thought Chris Farley was dead...:D


:elvis:

bueno bob
06-25-2009, 01:24 AM
<embed src="http://blip.tv/play/AYGLrGyYqA4" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="720" height="606" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed>


:elvis:

God damn...great fuckin' song...my personal favorite from the album, along with Breaking into Heaven...

MILES AND MILES better than anything Ozzy's done since 1988!

DavidLeeNatra
06-25-2009, 06:55 AM
Check this out!

:biggrin:

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I thought Chris Farley was dead...:D

:elvis:

these guys were looking for the chickenfoot "meet and greet" and stumbled into sabbath...

:D

sonrisa salvaje
06-29-2009, 07:43 PM
Check this out!

:biggrin:

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I thought Chris Farley was dead...:D


:elvis:

I have laughed until i cried. This was absolutely the funniest thing i have seen in ages!!! Don't we all know someone like that?

sonrisa salvaje
06-29-2009, 10:57 PM
I want to ask another question about the Ozzy remasters. We have already established that Ultimate Sin was not put out in the Sharon remixes. However, i have seen it in the first remasters (the albums that have a small photo of the album cover with a large border around it). I assume that in those remasters, none of the tracks were wiped and the sound was just improved from what was already there?
Secondly, the Sharon remasters all included bonus tracks. Does anyone know for sure who played on the Blizzard and Bark bonus tracks?
Lastly, wasn't there a b side to Shot in the Dark that was an unreleased track? Seems like Sharon would have wanted to capitolize on that alone by adding it to the Ultimate Sin and remixing it. It seems kind of stupid to have that album as the only one not available for inclusion in that set.

ELVIS
06-29-2009, 11:18 PM
The albums with the border are the first remasters, they sound great and contain only original material...

The Shot In The Dark B-side is You Said It All, from the picture disc, I think...

As far as the new destroyed remasters of Blizzard and Diary...Bark In The Moon was also altered or "remixed" and is improved, in my opinion. No tracks were re-recorded. It also includes Spiders and One Up The "B" Side...


:elvis:

Panamark
06-30-2009, 10:55 AM
Does anyone know for sure who played on the Blizzard and Bark bonus tracks?



Jack Osbourne on Drums, Kelly on Bass

FORD
06-30-2009, 10:26 PM
The Shot In The Dark B-side is You Said It All, from the picture disc, I think...



"You Said It All" was originally from the "Mr. Crowley" picture disc, which I still kick myself for not buying back in the day. So it should be Rhoads/Sarzo/Aldridge/Airey playing on that track, if it's the live version. I don't know if there ever was a studio version.

But if it's a Sharon remaster, then Satan only knows who the fuck is playing on it. :biggrin:

sonrisa salvaje
06-30-2009, 11:05 PM
"You Said It All" was originally from the "Mr. Crowley" picture disc, which I still kick myself for not buying back in the day. So it should be Rhoads/Sarzo/Aldridge/Airey playing on that track, if it's the live version. I don't know if there ever was a studio version.

But if it's a Sharon remaster, then Satan only knows who the fuck is playing on it. :biggrin:

Damn. I was hoping that b side was an unreleased Ultimate Sin cut.
Don't sweat about that Mr. Crowley pic disc. They are endless on ebay for 15 to 20 bucks.

Anyone know who played on Me Looking At You on Blizzard? I assume Jake E. Lee was on the Bark extra tracks - Spiders and One Up the Bside.

FORD
06-30-2009, 11:23 PM
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Apparently this song was actually recorded at one of the handful of shows played by the original Blizzard of Ozz lineup, so it's actually Daisley & Kerslake, NOT Sarzo & Aldridge.

I didn't realize any professional recordings of that lineup existed, as I only heard some dodgy audience recordings previously.

bueno bob
07-01-2009, 01:49 AM
It's available all over the web on different blogs, I just recently got my copy. Good material.

UK ROCKER
02-26-2010, 06:35 PM
IT'S GOING TO COURT -

OZZY OSBOURNE Wins Round 1 Against TONY IOMMI In BLACK SABBATH Name Dispute - Feb. 26, 2010

According to the New York Post, a Manhattan federal judge ruled yesterday (Thursday, February 25) that Ozzy Osbourne can proceed with his lawsuit against guitarist Tony Iommi over use of the BLACK SABBATH name.

Ozzy filed a lawsuit against Iommi in May 2009, claiming that Iommi illegally took sole ownership of the band's name in a filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Osbourne is suing Iommi for a 50 percent interest in the "Black Sabbath" trademark, along with a portion of Iommi's profits from use of the name.

The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996.

Lawyer Andrew DeVore argued yesterday that Osbourne signed away all his rights to the BLACK SABBATH trademark after he quit the band in 1979.

Osbourne's lawyer, Howard Shire, called that agreement a "red herring" that was "repudiated" when the singer rejoined in 1997 and took over "quality control" of the band's merchandise, tours and recordings.......

Link - BLABBERMOUTH.NET - OZZY OSBOURNE Wins Round 1 Against TONY IOMMI In BLACK SABBATH Name Dispute (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=135789)




http://www.thehypertexts.com/images/Boy%20and%20Dog%20Praying%20Together.jpg

Dear God, Please let Tony win amen