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ELVIS
07-10-2009, 10:25 PM
Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit 'Populations That We Don’t Want to Have Too Many Of'

July 10, 2009

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By Christopher Neefus (http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50819)

In the 90-minute interview in Ginsburg’s temporary chambers, Ginsburg gave the Times her perspective on Judge Sonia Sotomayor, President Obama’s first high court nomination. She also discussed her views on abortion.

Her comment about her belief that the court had wanted to limit certain populations through abortion came after the interviewer asked Ginsburg: “If you were a lawyer again, what would you want to accomplish as a future feminist agenda?”

“Reproductive choice has to be straightened out,” Ginsburg said. “There will never be a woman of means without choice anymore. That just seems to me so obvious. The states that changed their abortion laws before Roe (to make abortion legal) are not going to change back. So we have a policy that only affects poor women, and it can never be otherwise, and I don’t know why this hasn’t been said more often.”

Ginsburg discussed her surprise at the outcome of Harris v. McRae, a 1980 decision that upheld the Hyde Amendment, which prohibited the use of Medicaid and other federal funds for abortions.

Here’s a transcript of that portion of the Times' interview:

Q. Are you talking about the distances women have to travel because in parts of the country, abortion is essentially unavailable, because there are so few doctors and clinics that do the procedure? And also, the lack of Medicaid for abortions for poor women?

Justice Ginsburg: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. Frankly, I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the Court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.”

The comment suggested Ginsburg eventually changed her mind and concluded that Roe was not decided with the idea that abortion could be used to limit "growth in populations we don't want to have too many of." But she did not qualify her position that the policy enacted under the case put an unacceptable burden on poor women.

During the interview, the justice also affirmed a position she took on abortion during her Clinton-era confirmation hearing, suggesting the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution was a better grounds for justifying abortion on demand than the "right to privacy."

“The basic thing is that the government has no business making that choice for a woman,” Ginsburg told the Times.

In 1993, she told the Senate Judiciary Committee during her confirmation hearing:

“(Y)ou asked me about my thinking on equal protection versus individual autonomy. My answer is that both are implicated. The decision whether or not to bear a child is central to a woman’s life, to her well-being and dignity. It is a decision she must make for herself. When the government controls that decision for her, she is being treated as less than a full adult human responsible for her own choices.”

The Court legalized abortion under Roe v. Wade based on a “right to privacy” that it found in the 14th Amendment---and not the Equal Protection Clause. In doing so, it said the state had an interest in protecting the unborn child that increased as pregnancy progresses. Ginsburg's position that women have an equal right to abortion as a result of their gender would appear to allow for no state restrictions on abortion.


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FORD
07-10-2009, 10:53 PM
There's your second blatantly anti-semitic thread this week. What's next? Holocaust denial?

Jesus Christ
07-10-2009, 10:57 PM
As the King of the Jews, I am very troubled by this thread, Gregory. Ye knoweth what My Jewish people sufferred at the hands of the Nazis. :(

standin
07-10-2009, 11:02 PM
It is not denial. We want to research forensicly~ -_-

With the morning after pill being over the counter most abortions should be eliminated.
Abortion should not be used as birth control.
Woman that are promiscuous with promiscuous men should be allowed by state funding to have reversible means of sterilization. As it is, a woman that wishes for sterilization cannot obtain the procedure through state funded means. to my knowledge. Like wise promiscuous men should be afforded sterilization. If they would like. Especially men, funded through state means. snip snip , How much could that cost?

standin
07-10-2009, 11:04 PM
Then everybody can fuck like rabbits with not a care of the world , but death. -_-

Blackflag
07-10-2009, 11:40 PM
There's your second blatantly anti-semitic thread this week. What's next? Holocaust denial?

Seriously, are you retarded? Are you saying you can't comment in Justice Ginsburg without being anti-semitic? What does her background have to the article at all? If I comment on a Thomas opinion, I'm anti-black? Anything related to Scalia, I'm anti-Italian?

And this asinine comment from the same guy who slanders "zionist" people all the time. No offense, but you're a fucking moron incapable of independent thought.

ELVIS
07-11-2009, 01:41 AM
It's so easy to expose the real FORD...

ELVIS
07-11-2009, 01:46 AM
Ye knoweth what My Jewish people sufferred at the hands of the Nazis. :(

Yeah, and there is no difference between that and the barbaric measures used in modern abortions...asshole!

Jesus Christ
07-11-2009, 02:11 AM
Ye need to relax, Gregory. How about some music to mellow you out, from two of My favorite guitarists.....

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standin
07-11-2009, 11:00 AM
Yeah, and there is no difference between that and the barbaric measures used in modern abortions...asshole!

You are so anti-abortion, that quote leaves no doubt. Should you address the problems that make a need in the first place? Such as rape, unchecked promiscuity, and deceitful intentions?

As a male, I really don't think you have a voice in the abortion issue, Elvis.

ELVIS
07-11-2009, 11:24 AM
So, a male's thoughts are not to be considered ??

Of course i'm anti-abortion...so is God!

Rape resulting in pregnancy is about the only instance I can justify abortion...

But if I were a female who willingly spread my legs and ended up pregnant, I would absolutely live with the consequences and give birth to the child...

standin
07-11-2009, 11:45 AM
No, after the fact the male has no say without an agreement of the host.
A males concern is before the act of creating. Once created without an established arrangement, weak or grand, the pregnancy and being completely belongs to the female. Only after the female completes hosting can a male or female assert DNA rights through agreement or courts.

I did not know you talked to God and was told his agenda.
Life does not begin at conception, if you believe it does, begin with removing IUDs from the market.

Spreding the legs do not make a female pregnant, it is the sticking in the dick and ejaculating into the birth channel that makes a female pregnant.

We are not speaking of your dream to be female.

You are not the one giving birth, it is the female. If you want your procreation to be hosted and go to full term, the agreement of the female is required. And I suggest you get that agreement before hand.

But beyond your spitting out sperm and her spitting out a human being. There is responsibility that goes beyond first or second generations. If you do not care for children, I suppose any vassal will do. And likewise for donor to the female.


BTW, deceitful intentions that too would be rape. Both ways male and female. But males have more riding on unchecked sexual relations, when dealing with wanted or unwanted pregnancies. They have no choice without an agreement in place with the female.