Obama eases lobbying rules

[Big Train]

TheHill.com - White House eases stimulus lobbyist restrictions (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/white-house-eases-stimulus-lobbyist-restrictions-2009-07-25.html)

The ACLU was feeling left out I guess from the hot TARP action recently.

White House eases stimulus lobbyist restrictions
By Roxana Tiron
Posted: 07/25/09 01:25 PM [ET]

In a significant change, the Obama administration will now allow lobbyists to meet and have telephonic discussions with government officials regarding economic recovery projects.

The lifting of the ban comes after K Street has cried foul for months and has challenged the White House on its restrictions.

In March, President Obama announced that government officials would not be allowed to consider the views of lobbyists regarding specific stimulus projects unless the requests are put in writing. The materials also had to be posted on an agency’s website within three business days of receipt. Lobbyists have said that the policy was one more example of the administration's disdain for their industry.

Now, the just-revised rules will allow government personnel to accept meetings and calls from federally registered lobbyists on the implementation of stimulus projects. The head of the Office of Management and Budget, Peter Orszag, issued a new guidance late Friday regarding the administration's communications with registered lobbyists about economic recovery funds.

Lobbyists can make their cases -- and agency officials can listen to them -- at "widely attended gatherings." Government officials have to ask whether the person they are talking to at such events is a federally registered lobbyist speaking on behalf of a client.

Agency officials are required to promptly disclose on the Internet all oral and written communications with lobbyists concerning policy or projects funded under the recovery act. They also have to disclose any written communications with lobbyists regarding pending applications for competitive funding.

The one caveat, however, is that lobbyists can talk to agency representatives only about logistical issues or general questions regarding stimulus grants. Agency officials have to document any discussion with a lobbyist that veers toward advocacy of stimulus policy or a particular project.

Government officials are still banned from talking to lobbyists representing companies that have already applied for grants and are awaiting a competitive decision. In those cases, agency officials are allowed to accept "oral communication" only if the matter is purely logistical.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), and the American League of Lobbyists (ALL) joined forced to advocate that the White House revise its rules.

ALL informed its members Saturday morning of the changes.

"Essentially, you will be able to once again meet and have telephonic conversations with personnel in charge of the projects and be able to provide your subject matter expertise to them to help them make the best "merit based" decisions possible for the stimulus projects," Dave Wenhold, the president of ALL, wrote in an e-mail message to members.

"Getting us back to the table and ensuring that we are treated equally has been the main goal for ALL. We are also thankful to our partners in this effort, especially the Citizens for Responsible Ethics in Washington (CREW) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Between the main three groups and others, we made a diverse and strong coalition that advocated for these revisions."

[ELVIS]

Lying piece of shit, half white motherfucker...

[LoungeMachine]

Lying piece of shit, half white motherfucker...

What does color have to do with it, exactly?

:gulp:

I'd really like to know......

[ELVIS]

Nothing besides pointing out facts...

[katie]

This is a fun forum

[FORD]

Are you gonna bring your alias in here to bitch about Obama's hair?

[LoungeMachine]

Nothing besides pointing out facts...

Facts that have to do with what, exactly?

You never pointed out the "fact" Bush was white.

Nothing besides.......

Strange reason.


Why not just be honest about why you chose that "fact" to include?

:gulp:

If you're going to be a racist, be one. Don't post that kind of shit and then play the "nothing besides" card......

sheeesh

[katie]

Are you gonna bring your alias in here to bitch about Obama's hair?

I don't need an alias Fordy.

I've been posting on this board for 5 years so people know who I am.
(What about you?)

This is a cool forum,

Mind if i hang here for a while?

x

[Nickdfresh]

I dunno. But it seems the "lobbyist" word is being thrown around here almost semantically. It would be difficult to bid on projects if the sales dept. of a given contractor couldn't contact the various officials running whatever projects are in their turf.

[katie]

I wonder how many other MODS on this forum are racist like Elvis.

Will he be de-modded for this?

I put myself forward to take his place,

[ELVIS]

:gulp:

If you're going to be a racist, be one. Don't post that kind of shit and then play the "nothing besides" card......

sheeesh

I'm not a racist at all...and what the hell is a "nothing besides" card ??

Be a man and stop being so sensitive over semantics. It makes you look like a moron...

My first amendment right (until the gullible 1/4 or less black president does away with it) protects my speech whether you find it offensive or not...

You say all kinds of bullshit about people on this forum just as FORAUD does, but if I say black or ****** or half white or half black, you get all bent out of shape...

Stop the PC bullshit and stop being a pussy...


:elvis:

[katie]

I wonder how many other MODS on this forum are racist like Elvis.

Will he be de-modded for this?

I put myself forward to take his place,

[letsrock]

Eases the rules to help friends.

[jhale667]

I'm not a racist at all...

Yeah, right. Just a jackass, then?


Be a man and stop being so sensitive over semantics. It makes you look like a moron...



How about YOU be a man and stop with the racist bullshit, mangina? :fufu:

[ELVIS]

No I won't and i'm not a racist...

You people are fools for letting something thats such a non-issue get your panties in a wad causing you to let the real issues fly straight over your head...

Don't you see the main stream media keeping racist ideas alive ??

It's done on purpose...


:rolleyes:

[jhale667]

No I won't and i'm not a racist...

You people are fools for letting something thats such a non-issue get your panties in a wad causing you to let the real issues fly straight over your head...

Don't you see the main stream media keeping racist ideas alive ??

It's done on purpose...




And you're a fool for perpetuating the usual racist tripe...
Seems like his ethnicity is one of your main complaints about him...which makes you look like a huge tool.

[ELVIS]

Yeah, right. Just a jackass, then?

If I was, should I recieve ridicule and insults ??

How about YOU be a man and stop with the racist bullshit, mangina? :fufu:

I do man up, and i'm not afraid of what I say, especially when fools take it out of context.

I post these things to get a reaction. I'm well aware of the idiotic backlash prior to what I say...




LMAO!


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Seems like his ethnicity is one of your main complaints about him...which makes you look like a huge tool.

That's bullshit, but I have no care of what it makes me "look like."

Supporting this man is what makes someone a "huge tool."

[jhale667]

No, your attempt to rip on him about his ethnicity is beyond lame. It shows you don't have a real leg to stand on.


You're "worthless and weak". :tongue0011:

[katie]

I wonder how many other MODS on this forum are racist like Elvis.

Will he be de-modded for this?

I put myself forward to take his place,

[ELVIS]

Shut the hell up...

[jhale667]

I wonder how many other MODS on this forum are racist like Elvis.

Will he be de-modded for this?

I put myself forward to take his place,


Shaddap. So what, we'd trade a racist jackass for just a regular one?

[katie]

Shut the hell up...

I wonder how many other MODS on this forum are racist like Elvis.

Will he be de-modded for this?

I put myself forward to take his place,

[jhale667]

:rolleyes:

[katie]

Shaddap. So what, we'd trade a racist jackass for just a regular one?

I can't believe you would allow a racist to be a MOD in this day and age.

Shame on you

I wonder how many other MODS on this forum are racist like Elvis.

Will he be de-modded for this?

I put myself forward to take his place,

[ELVIS]

I'm not rasist!

But even if I was, the first amendment protects what I say...

I suppose you advocate doing away with the first amendment...and the second as well, eh ??

I may just come shoot your ass ??


Bring on the idiotic comments...

[katie]

I'm not rasist!

I may just come shoot your ass ??



A What?

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/369_mckalip2.jpg

So from left to right we have, Elvis, Fordy LoungeQueen..

Who are the rest of your guy's?

[ELVIS]

See...

My whole point of posting nonsense is to show people like you how easy it is to stray people from the real issues...

Obama does the exact same thing, but you're blind to it because his intelligence level is light years beyond yours...

Not to suggest he's acting alone...

But he IS acting...

[katie]

I'm not rascist!



Yes you are.

[FORD]

I'm not a racist at all...and what the hell is a "nothing besides" card ??

Be a man and stop being so sensitive over semantics. It makes you look like a moron...

My first amendment right (until the gullible 1/4 or less black president does away with it) protects my speech whether you find it offensive or not...

You say all kinds of bullshit about people on this forum just as FORAUD does, but if I say black or ****** or half white or half black, you get all bent out of shape...

Stop the PC bullshit and stop being a pussy...


:elvis:

You're not only a racist, you're terrible with fractions.

[letsrock]

See...

My whole point of posting nonsense is to show people like you how easy it is to stray people from the real issues...



i do the exact same thing. But they see it different. i find it funny.

[LoungeMachine]

No I won't and i'm not a racist...

You people are fools for letting something thats such a non-issue get your panties in a wad causing you to let the real issues fly straight over your head...

Don't you see the main stream media keeping racist ideas alive ??

It's done on purpose...


:rolleyes:

Ahem...

WHO was it that brought RACE into this thread that had NOTHING to do with RACE??????

idiot.

[LoungeMachine]

See...

My whole point of posting nonsense is to show people like you ...

:lmao:

Nice try.

[Nickdfresh]

I wonder how many other MODS on this forum are racist like Elvis.

Will he be de-modded for this?

I put myself forward to take his place,

Please stop posting this shit in every thread, and stop thread-jacking.

*Actually, never mind. This thread is jacked off already...

[letsrock]

Posting on this site has nothing to do with the topics. heck a few of the MODS constantly hijack these threads to bash away at the sites members. Why is that. Do they want it for themselves.

[LoungeMachine]

Lying piece of shit, half white motherfucker...

So why did you post this?


Nothing besides pointing out facts...

Are you sure? Want to try another excuse?



See...

My whole point of posting nonsense is to show people like you how easy it is to stray people from the real issues...




Yet you're the one who immediately "strayed" from the real issue.

:gulp:

Hypocrite much?

[Nickdfresh]

Posting on this site has nothing to do with the topics. heck a few of the MODS constantly hijack these threads to bash away at the sites members. Why is that. Do they want it for themselves.

http://haylee.steenhagen.us/photos/d/4082-2/Cry+baby_.jpg

[katie]

So when do I get the mod job then?

I've been posting here 5 years.

Pro Dave/CVH all the way.

I've got bigger balls than most of you guy's.

It's about time you had a hard hitting female on the team.

[letsrock]

http://haylee.steenhagen.us/photos/d/4082-2/Cry+baby_.jpg

cute kid

[Guitar Shark]

So when do I get the mod job then?

I've been posting here 5 years.

Pro Dave/CVH all the way.

I've got bigger balls than most of you guy's.

It's about time you had a hard hitting female on the team.

Show us your tits

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah, the real ones!!

[FORD]

I've got bigger balls than most of you guy's.



So you're the British version of Ann Coulter?

[katie]

So you're the British version of Ann Coulter?

You dirty little man!

x

[jhale667]

So when do I get the mod job then?



The 7th of NEVER? :hee:

[bueno bob]

There's no reason to drop a line like "Lying piece of shit, half white motherfucker..." in regards to bitching about somebody. Fuck knows I did a LOT of bitching about Bush over the years and never once did I call him a "white motherfucker".

It's not "stating the obvious" or "pointing out how easy it is to distract from the issues" or any other ridiculous bullshit. It's a racial slur and nothing else. Color is irrelevant in contrast to policy and/or insults about the job he's doing.

For not being a racist, you're doing a fine job of convincing everybody you are with your choice of words, Elvis. Really disappointing, but out of a white fucking xtian I guess I shouldn't expect any better.

[jhale667]

There's no reason to drop a line like "Lying piece of shit, half white motherfucker..." in regards to bitching about somebody. Fuck knows I did a LOT of bitching about Bush over the years and never once did I call him a "white motherfucker".

It's not "stating the obvious" or "pointing out how easy it is to distract from the issues" or any other ridiculous bullshit. It's a racial slur and nothing else. Color is irrelevant in contrast to policy and/or insults about the job he's doing.

For not being a racist, you're doing a fine job of convincing everybody you are with your choice of words, Elvis. Really disappointing, but out of a white fucking xtian I guess I shouldn't expect any better.


Truly scumbag behavior, agreed.
I like how he keeps saying he's "stating a fact" --- yeah, that fact being Obama's ethnicity BUGS the crap out him, because he's an irrational, racist douche.

[Guitar Shark]

If someone called Obama "Chimpy", would that be racist?

[katie]

The 7th of NEVER? :hee:

It aint down to you kid

x

[Guitar Shark]

It aint down to you kid

x

Check with GAR. He runs this place. He'll hook you up for sure.

[LoungeMachine]

Check with GAR. He runs this place. He'll hook you up for sure.

:lmao:

[LoungeMachine]

If someone called Obama "Chimpy", would that be racist?

No.

Chimps aren't a "race"

[ planet of the apes notwithstanding ]

[jhale667]

It aint down to you kid

x

Nor you, so STFU. ;)

[Nickdfresh]

Check with GAR. He runs this place. He'll hook you up for sure.

He'll have to run it by Jesterstar first as he's the dead cousin of Roth. (by seance of course!)

[Guitar Shark]

No.

Chimps aren't a "race"

[ planet of the apes notwithstanding ]

Comparing African Americans to apes is a faux paus at least, no?

[GAR]

I dunno. But it seems the "lobbyist" word is being thrown around here almost semantically.

We'll forever now then replace the ugly word "lobbyist" with the preeminently appropriate and beatified upgrade of "David Axelrod."

How the fuck is that for you.. idiot.. the use of the term here in this thread is completely appropriate!

[LoungeMachine]

Comparing African Americans to apes is a faux paus at least, no?

Yes, but you're strawman-ing a bit, counselor. No?

Whether ELVIS is a true racist may be debated, but saying his comment was blatantly racist is a no-brainer.

IMO

:gulp:

[Guitar Shark]

Yes, but you're strawman-ing a bit, counselor. No?

Whether ELVIS is a true racist may be debated, but saying his comment was blatantly racist is a no-brainer.

IMO

:gulp:

Oh, hell, I agree with you. Just having some fun.

Shame on you ELVIS. No peanut butter and banana sandwich for you.

[FORD]

Comparing African Americans to apes is a faux paus at least, no?

Considering that racists do that to imply that African Americans are "subhuman", yes.

Which is ironic, because Southern inbred racists tend to be fanatically religious Bible thumpers (though not necessarily actual readers of the Bible) and don't realize that their ridiculous racist theories would require evolution to be true.

[LoungeMachine]

He'll have to run it by Jesterstar first as he's the dead cousin of Roth. (by seance of course!)

:lmao:

Jesterstar
GAR
katie

All 3 lobbyied for modship, and when that didnt work, tried to get us de-modded.

:gulp:

FAIL

[Guitar Shark]

Which is ironic, because Southern inbred racists tend to be fanatically religious Bible thumpers (though not necessarily actual readers of the Bible) and don't realize that their ridiculous racist theories would require evolution to be true.

:lmao:

[Nickdfresh]

We'll forever now then replace the ugly word "lobbyist" with the preeminently appropriate and beatified upgrade of "David Axelrod."

How the fuck is that for you.. idiot.. the use of the term here in this thread is completely appropriate!

It's a partisan website/"paper" that is notable for their biased, erroneous reports, boy-toucher...

[Big Train]

Lying piece of shit, half white motherfucker...

You should have "calibrated" your words more carefully. There are many more productive routes to bring up about Obama. You picked one human quality that has nothing to do with him as a person.

[LoungeMachine]

You should have "calibrated" your words more carefully. There are many more productive routes to bring up about Obama. You picked one human quality that has nothing to do with him as a person.

Fucking exactly.

And it certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread topic, either.

:gulp:

[katie]

Wow Elvis has gone quiet.

[Big Train]

I dunno. But it seems the "lobbyist" word is being thrown around here almost semantically. It would be difficult to bid on projects if the sales dept. of a given contractor couldn't contact the various officials running whatever projects are in their turf.

Yes, Vito from the Local 12 and various other lobbies are happy to help move that stimulus money quicker assisting you with "merit based decisions".

The bigger point is Obama ran on the idea that lobbyists would not be a part of his admin. So either one of two things is true:

1. He was so inexperienced to see that lobbyists are needed to get things done.
2. He was a liar and wanted to run on something he could easily slide back into the mix at a later date.

You pick.

[FORD]

I've got mixed feelings about the lobbyist thing. I would make a distinction between "issue" lobbyists and corporate lobbyists, but having said that, even some of the "issue" lobbyists (AIPAC and the NRA, for example) have far too much influence.

On the other hand, I would love to see an endless line of single payer health care lobbyists swarming Washington DC right about now.

So I'm not sure about an outright ban, but there probably should be some regulation.

[Blackflag]

If someone called Obama "Chimpy", would that be racist?

No, that's called "specist."

[Blackflag]

I've got mixed feelings about the lobbyist thing.

What a surprise. :umm:

If this was Bush, you'd be screaming bloody murder. You people are such fucking inconsistent hypocrites.

And to put the cherry on top, you're in favor of lobbyists...as long as they agree with you. It's unbelievable to me that people are capable of being this fucking stupid. And I've been to Poland.

[hideyoursheep]

Show us your tits

So that's how Elvis got the job!

:lol:

[Big Train]

What a surprise. :umm:

If this was Bush, you'd be screaming bloody murder. You people are such fucking inconsistent hypocrites.

And to put the cherry on top, you're in favor of lobbyists...as long as they agree with you. It's unbelievable to me that people are capable of being this fucking stupid. And I've been to Poland.

Ford, he has a point there about inconsistentcy.

Can't verify the Poland bit though.

[LoungeMachine]

Can't verify the Poland bit though.

He meant Yakima.

Easily confused.

:gulp:

[hideyoursheep]

Lying piece of shit,...

And where was this 8 years ago?


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NOW I know why you have so much love for Yngvie Shitsteen and not so much for Hendrix.:fufu:

Sure the fuck isn't because of talent!:fufu:

[letsrock]

I wish that Obama was a proper black man. You know looking like a burnt match like those fuckers in Africa.

[FORD]

Ford, he has a point there about inconsistentcy.

Can't verify the Poland bit though.

I don't see the inconsistency. As I said, there's a difference between issue lobbyists and corporate lobbyists.

For example, on the health care issue, there's a difference between the AMA and Bill Frist's Hospital Corporation of America or Blue Cross/Blue Shield. The AMA is a ridiculously right wing organization, but at least they're presenting their viewpoint as a right wing spin on the issue, not as Mo' Money, Mo' Money, Mo Money.

[Big Train]

That is inconsistent. The AMA membership or any organization of people who make their money from a certain profession or industry could benefit greatly from their point of view being adopted on issues even if the organization itself does not. It's a little further down the trough but they can benefit just the same.

Al Gore benefits from "presenting his viewpoint" as a lobbyist. Not directly, but via his carbon credits company, his movies and his speaking engagements. He is benefitting just the same.

[jhale667]

I wish that Obama was a proper black man. You know looking like a burnt match like those fuckers in Africa.


I wish you'd manage to get your WHOLE HEAD in front of the shotgun next time.



Loser.

[Guitar Shark]

Loser.

Attention whore is more like it...

[LoungeMachine]

Attention whore is more like it...

Weak one at that...

No game.

Only stupidity.

:gulp:

[Blackflag]

The AMA isn't about the money?

:headlights:
:lmao:

Wait, wait... were you actually serious?

:Loser:

:knob:

:lmao:

[Nickdfresh]

Yes, Vito from the Local 12 and various other lobbies are happy to help move that stimulus money quicker assisting you with "merit based decisions".

The bigger point is Obama ran on the idea that lobbyists would not be a part of his admin. So either one of two things is true:

1. He was so inexperienced to see that lobbyists are needed to get things done.
2. He was a liar and wanted to run on something he could easily slide back into the mix at a later date.

You pick.


Okay, you've got a point there. But then, the Republicans hesitant to give away their steeled fund-raising advantage during the McCain-Feingold era, -and who have demonized McCain ever since- now agree with the ACLU as do the courts that supported them to an extent! Who'd of thunk that bribing public officials is "freedom of speech?" :)

[Nickdfresh]

I've got mixed feelings about the lobbyist thing. I would make a distinction between "issue" lobbyists and corporate lobbyists, but having said that, even some of the "issue" lobbyists (AIPAC and the NRA, for example) have far too much influence.

On the other hand, I would love to see an endless line of single payer health care lobbyists swarming Washington DC right about now.

So I'm not sure about an outright ban, but there probably should be some regulation.

The problem is: what is lobbying and what is just communications and proposals?

[Nickdfresh]

Okay, you've got a point there. But then, the Republicans hesitant to give away their steeled fund-raising advantage during the McCain-Feingold era, -and who have demonized McCain ever since- now agree with the ACLU as do the courts that supported them to an extent! Who'd of thunk that bribing public officials is "freedom of speech?" :)

BUT! It still is a far far cry from having something like 75% of your cabinet having ties to the oil industry - then launching a war in Iraq for freedomz...

[Big Train]

The agree because it is politically convienent, I don't dispute that. There is no doubt they have much to answer for in this area.

However, the Republicans never claimed to be the most "ethical admin evah" though, so it's not really something that can be compared favorably for Obama in this case.

[Nickdfresh]

I'm not sure he's ever used that slogan...

[Blackflag]

We need Gar to weigh in on this. I see him lurking.

[GAR]

Check with GAR. He runs this place. He'll hook you up for sure.

I totally agree: In a coach-class world of Either/Or choices, I am that passport ticket to sitting in the first-class And section with no expiration date.

[Nickdfresh]

I totally agree: In a coach-class world of Either/Or choices, I am that passport ticket to sitting in the first-class And section with no expiration date.

Is this a metaphor for getting a computer terminal at the library?

[Big Train]

Actually it was Pelosi, but Barry O rode that wave all the way to town.

“This leadership team will create the most honest, most open, and most ethical Congress in history” – Speaker-Elect Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Press Release, November 16, 2006

[GAR]

We need Gar to weigh in on this. I see him lurking.

How does a noname Junior Senator from MobCago, Illinoise raise 3/4 of a TRILLION dollars if he's not breaking his own "change" rules?

Early in the campaign he agrees to funding limits, until he gets hit on with the reality of cold, hard currency coming in from all over the world.

There's an article I barely skimmed across over the weekend regarding Buraqs' campaign 08 team scrambling to return all those questionable grey-area contributions: and they wait 2 years to do this?

Why now? Because he's got to take as much solid contributions as he can for the 2012 run he can pocket without criticism - knowing his trillionaire deficit spending is making it a highly unpopular proposition for a second term, let alone not fixing Medicare before he wants to throw the life/medical insurance industry under the bus of Change.

That's like me buying a second car that doesn't work to sideline the first car that at least makes it to the market albeit at an ineffecient 7 mpg rate, then saying "the second car solves the problems the first car couldn't."

All in all, pick on an industry, shake them up and watch the Keep Out donations pouring in: its just the typical Mob shakedown. And it won't stop till he's out. I didn't like Bush's MIC big money contracts but at least he didn't fuck with people's livlihoods!

[GAR]

- oh wait, that's not exactly true: Bush flip-flopped every other day about the border and illegal immigration. Bush did fuck with my livlihood big time

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so fuck him too!

[GAR]

Is this a metaphor for getting a computer terminal at the library?

Think how swell that loose extension cord going to your trailerpark power box would feel passed over the eucalyptus and noosed 'round your throat instead of being lost in the dirt amongst the scattered Old English cans..

[Guitar Shark]

I totally agree: In a coach-class world of Either/Or choices, I am that passport ticket to sitting in the first-class And section with no expiration date.

What is a first-class And section?

[GAR]

It is neither the Either nor the Or section but can hold parts of both.

[LoungeMachine]

-

. Bush did fuck with my livlihood big time

<!

Taxing bags of oranges sold on street corners?

:gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

Think how swell that loose extension cord going to your trailerpark power box would feel passed over the eucalyptus and noosed 'round your throat instead of being lost in the dirt amongst the scattered Old English cans..

I do every time I read one of your posts...

[Nickdfresh]

It is neither the Either nor the Or section but can hold parts of both.

Or neither places you shall ever sit?

[ELVIS]

So why did you post this?

Because it's the truth...

Are you sure? Want to try another excuse?

No...

Yet you're the one who immediately "strayed" from the real issue.

What issue, that Obama has lied and continues to lie, and stupid, part white assholes like you, breathe it in as if it were Gospel ??


:gulp:



I'm only about 75&#37; white myself...

Race is not a factor in my arguments...just the truth...


:elvis:

[katie]

The problem is: what is lobbying and what is just communications and proposals?

Yes a little bit like, what is the best bite of the sandwich the first or last?

[Baby's On Fire]

I'm only about 75% white myself...

Race is not a factor in my arguments...just the truth...


:elvis:


And 100 % douche.

[ELVIS]

I know you are but what am I ??

[standin]

No, you didn't, Elvis!


My, my , my....


http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fail-owned-tiny-flaw-kkk-fail.jpg

[ELVIS]

Ummm...nevermind...