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FORD

08-10-2009, 01:45 AM

<img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370.jpg" border="0"> The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 370 August 10, 2009 Super Duper Mega Hyperbole Edition The madness continues... Teabaggers (1) buy into the idea that threatening people with violence is a winning strategy. Meanwhile, The GOP (2) is slipping, Sarah Palin (3) is sliding, and Orly Taitz (8) has fallen on her ass. Don't forget the <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/key.html" target="_blank">key</a>! <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/01.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> Teabaggers <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/batshit_crazy.gif" border="0" alt="batshit crazy" title="batshit crazy"> <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/extreme.gif" border="0" alt="extreme" title="extreme"> <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/obama-hating.gif" border="0" alt="Obama hating" title="Obama hating"> <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/loser.gif" border="0" alt="loser" title="loser"> In the final desperate weeks of last year's presidential campaign John McCain and Sarah Palin decided that their only chance was to whip their already-disgruntled supporters into a frenzy of resentment. And so it was that shouts of "treason!" and "terrorist!" and "kill him!" began to <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.html" target="_blank">ring out</a> whenever Barack Obama's name was mentioned. Of course we all know how that strategy turned out. The blue areas of this map are counties that voted more Democratic in 2008 than they did in 2004. The red areas are counties that voted more Republican: <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_map.jpg" border="0"></center> But despite their massive failure last time around, it seems that the GOP has decided to double-down on its "angry wingnut" strategy, this time to thwart the diabolical evil known as health care reform. That's right - if there's one thing worth fighting for in the richest country in the world, it's the right to make sure that millions of your fellow citizens can't have access to a doctor. Of course that's not why the teabaggers are really rioting. All they know is that somehow a black guy is president, and Rush and Sean and Glenn are whispering <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/white-house-warns-rush-na_n_254147.html" target="_blank">terrible things</a> into their ears, and if they don't act now AMERICA IS DOOMED!!! And that makes them easy pickings for people like <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FreedomWorks" target="_blank">FreedomWorks</a>, the so-called "grassroots organization" run by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey, which, on behalf of the health insurance industry, needs an <a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/tea-party-town-hall-strategy-rattle-them-stand-up-and-shout.php" target="_blank">army of pissed-off, clueless shouters</a> to make sure that health care reform is stopped in its tracks. Unfortunately these teabaggers/birthers/turfers - whatever you want to call them - are the GOP's very own Frankenstein's monster. First it was John Boehner announcing that "...Democrats appear ready to leave town for the August recess with a so-called deal in hand. I think it's safe to say that, over the August recess, as more Americans learn more about their plan, they're likely to have a very, very hot summer." The next thing you know Limbaugh and Hannity are <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-care-reform/2009/08/adl_condemns_nazi_slurs_in_hea.html?hpid=news-col-blog" target="_blank">getting in trouble with the Anti-Defamation League</a> and Glenn Beck is talking about <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25906.html" target="_blank">poisoning Nancy Pelosi</a>. And it's not long before the conservative base is <a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/anti-health-care-reform-protester-encourages-physical-violence-use-of-firearms.php?ref=fpblg" target="_blank">suggesting</a>, "If ACORN/SEIU attends these meetings for disruptive purposes, and you have a license to carry....carry," and, "If ACORN/SEIU attends these townhalls for disruption, stop being peaceful, and hurt them. Badly." Is this what the GOP leadership had in mind when they encouraged their base to get active? Can they actually think that this silly season mayhem is going to put them back into power? If the Dems pull out a win on health care and the economy begins to recover, don't be surprised to see them running ads next year which say "We passed health care reform and saved the economy, and this is what the Republican Party has to offer..." followed by video of a bunch of crazed wingnuts screaming "NO NO NO!" So much for "compassionate conservatism." <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/most-important-number/the-most-important-number-in-p-24.html" target="_blank">According to</a> the Washington Post last week a new Gallup Poll reveals that "the most important number in politics today" is... <div class="Excerpt">37. That's the number of states that are either solidly or leaning Democratic in a series of Gallup tracking polls conducted over the first six months of 2009. Only eight states are solidly or leaning Republicans in that same data. The numbers, which are based on party identification of adults in national tracking polls, paint a stark portrait of the challenge facing Republicans not just in the 2010 midterm election but also in the 2012 presidential race. There are currently 29 states in which Democrats enjoy a 10-percentage point (or more) edge on party identification. Compare that to just four states where the Republican edge is ten points or higher (Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and Alaska) and one (Alabama) that leans toward the GOP. Add up the 29 states that are in the solidly Democratic category, according to Gallup, and you get 350 electoral votes; add up the four states in the solidly Republican category and you get 15 electoral votes.</div> But don't give up hope, teabaggers - just keep on making death threats and shouting nonsense at the top of your voices, and I'm sure the Republican Party will sweep back into power any day now. <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/02.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> The GOP <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/dumb.gif" border="0" alt="dumb" title="dumb"> <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/loser.gif" border="0" alt="loser" title="loser"> Allow me to reiterate the point. Sonia Sotomayor was <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/09/sotomayor-sonia-us-supreme-court" target="_blank">officially sworn in</a> as the nation's newest Supreme Court Justice last week, after a few months of solid, and ultimately pointless, GOP opposition. "She's a racist!" they cried. "She's too emotional!" Or in other words, "She's not a white male!" Now look at this USA Today <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2004-11-10-hispanic-voters_x.htm" target="_blank">story</a> from 2004: <div class="excerpt">Democrats regard Hispanics as a core element in the party's base. But according to surveys of voters leaving the polling places, Bush raised his share of the Hispanic vote from 35% in 2000 to 44% in 2004. The surveys, known as exit polls, indicated that Hispanics were 8% of the electorate, an increase from 6% in 2000. More than 9 million Hispanics voted, compared with 6 million four years ago.</div> Now look at this Research 2000 poll taken in <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/4/23" target="_blank">April 2009</a>: <div class="excerpt">LATINO (view of Republican Party) Favorable: 15% Unfavorable: 70% No opinion: 15%</div> Now look at this Research 2000 poll taken <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/8/6" target="_blank">last week</a>: <div class="excerpt">LATINO (view of Republican Party) Favorable: 3% Unfavorable: 86% No opinion: 11%</div> No, that's not a typo. But don't panic just yet, GOP! The margin of error in the Research 2000 poll is 2%, so there may actually be as many as 5% of Latinos with a favorable view of the Republican Party. Or, er, 1%. <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/03.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> Sarah Palin <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/lying.gif" border="0" alt="lying" title="lying"> <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/fearmongering.gif" border="0" alt="fearmongering" title="fearmongering"> Stop exploiting Sarah Palin's children... that's her job! Last week the former governor of Alaska took to Facebook to <a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434" target="_blank">explain</a> what's wrong with health care reform, and I think you'll find it's suitably insane: <div class="excerpt">The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.</div> Why yes, such a system is downright evil. And that's why nobody is proposing anything of the sort. Are you out of your damn mind? Palin, along with everyone else driving the wingnuts into hysteria, is just making up lies as she goes along. But this may be a case of the dumb being led by the even dumber. You see, she has an impeccable source for this story about how Obama's death panel is going to murder old people and Down Syndrome babies: <div class="excerpt">Rep. Michele Bachmann highlighted the Orwellian thinking of the president's...</div> Okay stop right there. I've heard enough. <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/04.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> Mara Liasson The recent Cash For Clunkers program has been a big success - not only were the stimulus funds expended much faster than predicted, but last week Ford Motor Co. posted its <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124923308640699551.html" target="_blank">first monthly sales gain</a> in two years. Sorry, did I say Cash For Clunkers was a big success? <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124923308640699551.html" target="_blank">My mistake</a>. <div class="excerpt">Last night, Fox News aired a clip of a woman at a Philadelphia town hall meeting over the weekend berating Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA) about health care reform. "What I see is a bureaucratic nightmare, senator. ... And you want us to believe that a government that can't even run a Cash for Clunkers program is going to run one-seventh of our U.S. economy," the woman complained. "I think that there is anger out there, real anger," said NPR's Mara Liasson, responding to the clip. She then called the woman's concern "legitimate" and compared the Cash for Clunkers program to Hurricane Katrina: LIASSON: "I thought that woman actually asked a pretty legitimate question - especially Cash for Clunkers is like a mini-Katrina here. I mean it's not good to start a program and not be able to execute it."</div> You heard right! This: <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_c4c3.jpg" border="0"></center> Is comparable to this: <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_c4c1k.jpg" border="0"></center> This: <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_c4c1.jpg" border="0"></center> Is very similar to this: <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_c4c2k.jpg" border="0"></center> And this: <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_c4c2.jpg" border="0"></center> Is just like a mini-this: <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_c4c3k.jpg" border="0"></center> Want the really bad news? Those heartless bastards in the U.S. Senate <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/08/07/business/business-us-autos-clunkers-senate.html" target="_blank">just approved another $2 billion</a> to continue the Cash For Clunkers program! When will the suffering end?

FORD

08-10-2009, 01:46 AM

<img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/05.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> Michael Steele and John Boehner <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/lame.gif" border="0" alt="lame" title="lame"> "Jobs Report An Upside Surprise" <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/aug2009/db2009087_069520.htm" target="_blank">announced</a> Business Week last week after job losses declined and the unemployment rate went down slightly. <div class="excerpt">Another sign the economy has turned came on Aug. 8, when the government reported that nonfarm payrolls declined by 247,000 in July. The number, while still negative, was better than analysts had expected. In addition, the unemployment rate, which some had expected to increase slightly, actually posted a slight decline, to 9.4%, compared with 9.5% in June. Forecasters had predicted a loss of about 325,000 jobs for the month. The July decline was the smallest since August 2008. </div> Business Week goes on to note that "Clearly, there is still pain out on the street," but, "the fact that the unemployment rate has been relatively unchanged for two months is a positive sign." Meanwhile, the AFL-CIO <a href="http://blog.aflcio.org/2009/07/30/obamas-economic-recovery-plan-already-created-saved-720000-jobs/" target="_blank">reported</a> that "President Obama's economic recovery package created or saved some 720,000 jobs in the second quarter, according to an analysis by the Economic Policy Institute. Although the economy continued to shrink, the effect would have been much worse without the recovery act, says EPI economist Josh Bivens." And so, as the Dow Jones climbed to 9370 by close of business Friday (<a href="http://daytradingstockblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/dow-jones-close-12009-stock-market.html" target="_blank">recall</a> it was at 7949 and dropping like a rock the day Obama took office) the GOP had to grudgingly acknowledge that Obama's economic policies may at least have us pointed in the right direction again. Just kidding! <a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/07/republicans-react-to-jobless-report/" target="_blank">According to</a> CNN: <div class="excerpt">"While President Obama was taking a victory lap to celebrate the economy's performance, more Americans lost their jobs and the budget deficit soared to a record $1.3 trillion in July. In the month of July alone 247,000 Americans lost their jobs, which means more than 2.8 million Americans have lost their jobs since the president took office," said RNC Chairman Michael Steele in an e-mail. </div> And: <div class="excerpt">"Today's unemployment report is yet another reminder that more spending, taxing, and borrowing does not mean more jobs for the American people. Instead of rewriting history on their 'stimulus' promises, Washington Democrats should abandon their job-killing agenda," said Boehner in a release. "Rather than pushing an increasingly unpopular government takeover of health care that will increase costs, drive up the deficit, raise taxes, and destroy jobs, Democratic leaders would be well-served to work with Republicans on real reforms that expand Americans' access to affordable health care and help small businesses create more jobs."</div> In case you were wondering why Republicans didn't enact any "real reforms that expand Americans' access to affordable health care and help small businesses create more jobs" during all the years that they were in charge of the House, the Senate, and the White House, it's because they were simply too busy CREATING THIS ENTIRE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/06.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> John Bolton <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/spin.gif" border="0" alt="excessive spin" title="excessive spin"> Bill Clinton swooped into North Korea last week and <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/08/06/2009-08-06_ling_lee_call_captivity_a_nightmare.html" target="_blank">rescued</a> Lisa Ling and Euna Lee, two American journalists who had been kidnapped by the North Koreans and sentenced to 12 years in a labor camp. The cost to the United States was a somewhat comical photo-op in which an extremely-neutral-looking Clinton had to sit next to a G.I. Joe doll of Kim Jong Il. <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_clinton.jpg" border="0"></center> A smashing success, right? Not so fast! Former Bush diplomat and professional walrus impersonator John Bolton ran <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/04/AR2009080401486.html" target="_blank">straight to the opinion pages</a> of the Washington Post where he cleared his throat and hocked this loogie: <div class="excerpt">The point to be made on the Clinton visit is that the knee-jerk impulse for negotiations above all inevitably brings more costs than its advocates foresee. Negotiating from a position of strength, where the benefits to American interests will exceed the costs, is one thing. Negotiating merely for the sake of it, in the face of palpable recent failures, is something else indeed. </div> Tough words. Tell you what - to settle this, why don't we ask Euna Lee's four-year-old daughter, Laura? <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_lee.jpg" border="0"></center> Sorry John, Laura says you're a total asshole. <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/07.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> Oliver North <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/hypocrisy.gif" border="0" alt="hypocrisy" title="hypocrisy"> Speaking of assholes, Oliver North was <a href="http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/onorth/2009/on_08071.shtml" target="_blank">even less keen</a> on Clinton's successful humanitarian mission: <div class="excerpt">In principle, there is nothing wrong with democratic governments engaging in secret diplomacy. Ben Franklin's covert negotiations with the government of Louis XVI resulted in the French monarchy's becoming our ally in the American Revolution. President Franklin D. Roosevelt made clandestine arrangements with London to aid the British against Nazi Germany before the United States entered World War II. In those -- and innumerable other cases -- the U.S. has engaged in secret diplomacy with allies to confound common adversaries, and the American people are not told about it until years -- sometimes decades -- later. But when our government conducts a covert contact with an opponent -- even for a humanitarian purpose, such as freeing hostages -- it nearly always blows up in our faces. I should know. (snip) In the 1980s, when the Iranians controlled the fate of Americans being bludgeoned and battered in Beirut dungeons, the price was 500 Israeli TOW missiles (actually it was more like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair#Arms_transactions" target="_blank">2500</a> but who's counting? -- EarlG). In this week's case, the ransom may have been the Kim-Clinton photo op, the legitimacy bestowed on the aging dictator by the visit of a former U.S. president, a sub rosa "apology" and an implied commitment to open direct U.S.-North Korea "talks." It may not be as tangible as money, but it's still a ransom.</div> That's right - because in Oliver North's world, rescuing hostages by holding a brief photo-op and offering the possibility of further diplomacy is almost exactly the same as rescuing hostages by secretly selling anti-tank missiles to the Ayatollah Khomeni, giving the profits to right-wing guerillas in Nicaragua, destroying the evidence, and then lying to Congress about it. <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/08.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> Orly Taitz <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/batshit_crazy.gif" border="0" alt="batshit crazy" title="batshit crazy"> <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/batshit_crazy.gif" border="0" alt="batshit crazy" title="batshit crazy"> Stop the presses! "Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?" <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764" target="_blank">gushed </a>World Nut Daily last week, after one of the leaders of the Birther movement, Orly Taitz, released what she claimed was Obama's Kenyan birth certificate. <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_bc.jpg" border="0"></center> And there it is. Or rather, there it isn't. After days of breathless speculation by the Birthers (surely this would force Obama to start packing his bags!) it was revealed that the birth certificate was actually a forgery, based on the <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2646009.htm" target="_blank">birth certificate of an Australian man</a> named David Bomford, which was <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/53658/is-this-the-source-of-the-forged-kenyan-birth-certificate" target="_blank">found online</a>. <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_bc2.jpg" border="0"></center> Case closed. Or is it? Orly Taitz immediately hit back with a strong response which is <a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/04/taitz_response/?source=refresh" target="_blank">excerpted here</a> thanks to Salon (because according to Google and Firefox, Orly Taitz's website will install malware on your computer): <div class="excerpt">1. Kenya became an independant (sic) country in 1963, not 1964. The seal of Kenya was correct (snip) 5. Bomford report was created to try to discredit my efforts 6.lastly, I am not supposed to waste my time and money on this issue, Obama us the one who is supposed to provide evidence of legitimacy 7. Kenyan BC provides more info than the piece of garbage Obama posted on the net, which doesn't have the name of the hospital, name of the doctor or signatures. 8. Chioumi Fukino (sic) and Obama and all their Nazi Brown Shirts in the main stream media need to give it a rest and provide an original hospital BC and the corresponding big thick hospital Birthing file from the Kapiolani hospital. If they don’t have such a file, all of them need to resign immediately or they will be prosecuted for massive fraud and treason to this Nation. (in case you didn’t know, treason carries punishment of life in prison or death penalty).</div> So there you have it - random Australian David Bomford is a secret Nazi Brown Shirt and if Barack Obama doesn't immediately fess up Orly Taitz will have him prosecuted and then executed for treason! What a perfectly reasonable and not-at-all-completely-insane response. Unfortunately it only took another day or two to completely deflate Orly's ballon. <a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/the-birthers-got-punkd-with-fake-certificate.php?ref=dc1" target="_blank">According to</a> Talking Points Memo... <div class="Excerpt">It now looks like the forged "Kenyan" Obama birth certificate that was briefly promoted by the Birthers -- actually an altered copy of a decades-old South Australian birth certificate -- was deliberately designed as a prank on the Birther movement itself, Dave Weigel reports. An anonymous person has put up an Internet posting showing photos of the document, against a bedsheet background that matches the photo promoted by Orly Taitz. One of the photos shows a crumpled up certificate with the following message written on it: "YOU'VE BEEN PUNK'D!"</div> <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_punkd.jpg" border="0"></center> How embarrassing. <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/09.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> Bobby Jindal <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/hypocrisy.gif" border="0" alt="hypocrisy" title="hypocrisy"> If you look up "chutzpa" in the dictionary, you might find a picture of Lousiana governor Bobby Jindal. Specifically, you might find this picture: <center><img src="http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_jindal.jpg" border="0"></center> That's Jindal presenting a "a jumbo-sized check to residents of Vernon Parish," <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/21/jindal-stimulus-check/" target="_blank">according to</a> Think Progress. <div class="excerpt">The funds included hundreds of thousands of dollars directly from the Recovery Act - at least $157,848 in Community Block Grant money authorized by the Recovery Act and $138,611 for Byrne/JAG job training programs created by the Recovery Act.</div> Which is odd, because the very next day Jindal wrote an <a href="http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=951EB463-18FE-70B2-A8F6121708941817" target="_blank">op-ed</a> for Politico in which he called the Recovery Act "stimulus that has not stimulated." <div class="excerpt">Let me be clear about something: I have no problem conceding that Speaker Nancy Pelosi, with whom I served in Congress, means well, even though I realize some Republicans get mad when I say that. But the simple fact is that House Democrats are determined to try to tax and spend our way back to prosperity. The past six months have made that clear. Our federal government is currently just flinging stuff against the wall, in trillion-dollar chunks, to see what sticks.</div> It's okay though - Think Progress notes that in order to make sure nobody in Vernon Parish knew that a big chunk of the money he was handing out actually came directly from the federal government, "Jindal printed his own name on the corner of the massive check." <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/number/10.gif" border="0" alt="" title=""> Bill O'Reilly <img src="http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/icons/dumb.gif" border="0" alt="dumb" title="dumb"> And finally, The Falafel Master himself decided to <a href="http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3060320&ref=fpblg" target="_blank">weigh in</a> on the health care debate last week after receiving a letter to The O'Reilly Factor which read, "Has anyone noted that life expectancy in Canada under our health system is higher than the USA?" C'mon Bill, knock this one out of the park... <div class="excerpt">O'REILLY: Well that's to be expected Peter, because we have ten times as many people as you do.</div> I mean, duh. Isn't that why all Canadians live to be 750 years old? The Top 10 will return in two weeks, on August 24. See you then! -- EarlG

GAR

08-10-2009, 03:40 AM

Nice big boring opinionation piece!

Thanks for republishing it here first, before anyone else did.. you win!

jhale667

08-10-2009, 11:53 AM

Poor GAyR...truth hurts..

Big Train

08-10-2009, 02:11 PM

This counter programming that says "Astroturfers" (nice judging and namecalling there by the most ethical government evah, btw) are violent mobs out there just trying to be violent and disruptive is nonsense.

Last week, Pelosi says "they are wearing swastikas". It's been 7+ days. In our camera filled world, has anyone found ANY real pictures of this? At all? I have not.

The "violence" thus far has been a ripped shirt of a protestor (by a union guy btw, but thats neither here nor there). There has not been WTO Seattle action here by any stretch, so let's stop lying about this stuff.

It's American citizens loudly disagreeing with other American citizens. Anything else coming from either side is pure politics.

jhale667

08-10-2009, 03:58 PM

Dunno how violent they're being, but they're definitely being disruptive. And there's a segment of the "protesters" that are trying to derail the discussion entirely...

But the people yelling about "wanting their country back" need to be tasered - repeatedly.

Big Train

08-10-2009, 04:32 PM

Well, that's just it. The "violent" and "racist" angles are being overplayed to chum the waters and also increase unquestioned support for it, by those who are opposed to those very things. As people like Ford have jumped right in and played along with these threads.

As for the "Disruptive" charge, it's hard to tell what has happened with the viral videos to make them disruptive. Perhaps it's their being locked out of meetings to begin with and/or being ignored, as the AARP video showed.

These aren't anarchists here, these are concerned people. But they are being treated as such.

FORD

08-10-2009, 06:50 PM

Nope... this is scripted false "outrage". Just like the Miami Courthouse Riot in November 2000. And literally brought to you by the same people.

Yes, literally..... Three of the Repuke interns in the Miami mob now work for Koch Industries, an oil company and long term associates of the extreme right , and in-laws of the BCE (Dorothy Bush, sister of the Chimp, is married to Robert Koch)

Koch Industries is the power behind the false front "Americans for Prosperity" which is sponsoring the teabagger mobs, along with the Dick Armey "Freedom Works" - which itself is affiliated with Koch Industries.

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FORD

08-10-2009, 07:09 PM

Oops.... that Rachel clip is good, but this is the one I was really looking for........

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Big Train

08-10-2009, 07:48 PM

You don't know shit about who is and who isn't in the crowd and your bullshitting if you say you do.

FORD

08-10-2009, 09:16 PM

You don't know shit about who is and who isn't in the crowd and your bullshitting if you say you do.

I never said there weren't any legitimate people in the crowd who may or may not have legitimate concerns, though even those folks are probably acting on disinformation put out by the corporations and the extreme reich wing.

But the ones who are starting the shit are DEFINITELY scripted operatives just as they were in Miami, and just as they were in Seattle in 1999.

Big Train

08-10-2009, 10:33 PM

Wow, what a half assed backpedal.

Your LOOKING for something there...reaching and not finding it.

The bottom line is that millions of millions of Americans disagree with you. They are not dumb, misinformed or any of the horrible things they have been called by the self righteous left wing. They are simply fellow Americans who disagree with you.

Baby's On Fire

08-10-2009, 10:46 PM

jhale667

08-10-2009, 10:55 PM

Some of them might be dumb and misinformed.

The that red necked hag last week crying out "I want my country back" and talking about her father in WWII fighting for America.

I wonder if her father told her black people fought and died in WWII also.

Anyway, she is dumb and misinformed. Probably there are others.

Sarah Palin is definitely dumb and misinformed. Or just a plain old liar.

Exactly, exacty.

Look the cat's already out of the bag - it's a KNOWN fact that the Healthcare Industry has enlisted help in DISRUPTING these town hall meetings...they're distributing INSTRUCTIONS on how to, FFS! They're not interested in furthering the debate, they're trying to stop it altogether. Not to mention the segment of the Republicans looking for nothing other than to make this issue Obama's "Waterloo", never mind they're fucking the country simultaneously. It's despicable.
I'm not saying there aren't real, concerned citizens at these events to, but there a for all intents and purposes professional TROLLS there too, trying to break them up. To continue to insist otherwise is kinda lame...

Baby's On Fire

08-10-2009, 11:02 PM

One could also argue it's fraud perpetrated against the American public and therefore an act of treason.

This is not the bahviour that made America great. Something seems to have gotten fucked up along the way.

WARF

08-11-2009, 12:04 AM

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/370_c4c3k.jpg

Atleast cadaverdog has a change of clothes at his feet...

Big Train

08-11-2009, 10:20 AM

Exactly, exacty.

Look the cat's already out of the bag - it's a KNOWN fact that the Healthcare Industry has enlisted help in DISRUPTING these town hall meetings...they're distributing INSTRUCTIONS on how to, FFS! They're not interested in furthering the debate, they're trying to stop it altogether. Not to mention the segment of the Republicans looking for nothing other than to make this issue Obama's "Waterloo", never mind they're fucking the country simultaneously. It's despicable.
I'm not saying there aren't real, concerned citizens at these events to, but there a for all intents and purposes professional TROLLS there too, trying to break them up. To continue to insist otherwise is kinda lame...

If and when someone can show me solid proof, I'll tend to agree. And not some shitty clip that shows some random guy circled in red. SEE , IT'S HIM!!
I've refrained from talking about the unions and SEIU and ACORN, who I could throw just as much "they are doing it" right back out there, for the very same reason. If and when actual documentation of some sort is found, then I can accuse. The docs you refer to, I've also seen places as distributed by SEIU and the unions. These are too easy to fake for both sides, so I put little stock in them. I'm not Dan Rather, not falling for that...

I'm not saying more than likely there isn't those people in the mix on either side. I'm just saying the proof has been somewhat weak thus far.

I'm focusing my debate on the concerned citizens on either side of the aisle. The issues should be strong enough to stand on their own, without being intellectually dishonest and claiming that the "Fringe interests" as it were are the primary reasons the debate is what it is.

davehagarfan

08-11-2009, 02:19 PM

davehagarfan

08-11-2009, 02:20 PM

FORD

08-11-2009, 02:29 PM

FORD the Liberals have just as many idiots on their side as the Conservatives do......Al Franken, Michael Moore, Keith Olberman...a guy I use to like, Bill Mahr...another guy I use to like, Imus, Ron Paul....the guy wants neuter our military greatly I think that puts him squarely in with the kooks, Dennis Kucinich....

Since when are Imus or Ron Paul "Liberals"??

Bill Maher is a left-leaning Libertarian, but I'd say he's more in agreement with Liberals than Conservatives most of the time. Al Franken? Time will tell what kind of senator he will be, but he moved from a reasonably "liberal" writer to a DLC neocon loving radio host, so I doubt he's going to restore Paul Wellstone's senate seat to its past Liberal glory. A damn sight better than Norm Coleman the failed used car salesman in any case.

As for Michael Moore, Keith Olbermann, and Dennis Kucinich, they are great American patriots, and we could use a lot more like them.

davehagarfan

08-11-2009, 02:59 PM

Since when are Imus or Ron Paul "Liberals"??

Bill Maher is a left-leaning Libertarian, but I'd say he's more in agreement with Liberals than Conservatives most of the time. Al Franken? Time will tell what kind of senator he will be, but he moved from a reasonably "liberal" writer to a DLC neocon loving radio host, so I doubt he's going to restore Paul Wellstone's senate seat to its past Liberal glory. A damn sight better than Norm Coleman the failed used car salesman in any case.

As for Michael Moore, Keith Olbermann, and Dennis Kucinich, they are great American patriots, and we could use a lot more like them.

Ron Paul is an isolationist and completely out of his mind. He may or may not be the fiscal conservative he claims but one thing is for sure.....he hates the military and blames The Fed on all of Congress' financial woes....

Michael Moore, Olbermann and Kucinich are great Americans and Patriots? Fuck you're batshit crazy if you think that....though I will admit Olbermann is the easiest to take out of the three........Michael Moore is a self-serving, lying, uneducated, trust fund kid that hates himself only a little more more than he hates his country.

I don't know why I'm even trying to talk reason with you as you think Chimpy pulled off 9/11......that's just crazy talk.....as for him having prior knowledge....The Clinton Administration failed to advert a handlful of terrorist attacks both foreign and domestic back in the 90s.....one of the smaller ones was even on the WTC within about six months of Clinton taking office.....so why are you giving Chimpy so much shit about it? You don't think the Clinton administration was aware of threats against us?

I'm surprised you're not a bigger Ron Paul supporter as you tend to lean way out there with some of your insane theories and hypothesis.....

Why don't you think Imus is a liberal? Because he called a group of black girls nappy headed hos?

jhale667

08-11-2009, 03:16 PM

Michael Moore, Olbermann and Kucinich are great Americans and Patriots? Fuck you're batshit crazy if you think that....

Really....I'm more inclined to think you're an idiot for thinking otherwise...especially Moore and Olbermann...

davehagarfan

08-11-2009, 03:48 PM

Really....I'm more inclined to think you're an idiot for thinking otherwise...especially Moore and Olbermann...

You've got me with Olbermann as he seems like a good guy and is far more level headed than most talking heads......unlike Michael Moore who is just out of his mind and crazier than Ron Paul on the campaign trail....

Calling Moore a patriot is as misguided as calling Limbaugh one....they are both out of their minds.....alot like Jim Garrison back in his day....

jhale667

08-11-2009, 08:11 PM

davehagarfan

08-11-2009, 08:35 PM

Where does the hate for Moore come from? Limbaugh is completely despicable these days (he was moderately entertaining in the late 80s, but has been in a huge downward spiral idealogically since, IMO), not sure how Moore gets lumped in with his ilk.

It's not so much hate but extreme distrust, dismay and even some disgust.....I don't wish death or ill will on the guy or anything....I just think he's an asshole and often either completely uniformed or a master manipulator........I've seen parts of his movies, I've watched interviews on him and I've even read some of Dude Where's My Country......it's been a while but from what I remember of the opening chapters in the book he was claiming Chimpy orchestrated 9/11 as part one of a grand master plan so he could get an excuse to invade Afghanistan then later invade Iraq so he could build a pipeline from the northern tip of Iraq to the Southern tip of Afghanistan or some bullshit like that...this was about a year after the 2003 invasion of Iraq......Tubby also claimed our country had nothing to worry as far as future terrorist attacks goes because 9/11 was all our own governments doing and that there wasn't and never was a terrorist threat or attack in our country during The Clinton Administration........he failed to mention the 1993 WTC bombings....1995 Oklahoma City bomings...which were domestic terrorism but still an major attack..bigger than the 1993 WTC..... as well as the Olympic bombings in Atlanta in 1998....he also failed to mention the failed attempt of New Year's Eve 2000......when several terrorists almost got through the Candian border and were playing an attack on LAX...

The guy is either a serious dumbfuck or is lying his ass off...

jhale667

08-11-2009, 08:43 PM

davehagarfan

08-11-2009, 09:03 PM

Hmm...I have Bowling for Columbine on DVD, and I've seen Fahrenheit 9/11 and Sicko. I believe he does indeed mention the '93 WTC attack...

I did find Maher's comment on 9/11 hilarious...that suggesting Bush was involved was stupid because it had "Bush" and "knowledge" in the same sentence...:D But still, the "official" story...not really buying it completely. But that's another thread entirely.

I'm talking about Dude Where's My Country...his book.....he goes on and on in the first couple of chapters about how Chimp "created" all this paranoia and that we never had any kind of terrorist attacks on our shores prior to 9/11......it's been a while since I've read it but I'm pretty sure that's what he said....he also claimed 9/11 was just a big show put on by Chimp and Cheney for our entertainment in order to give them an excuse to invade and impose our "imperialism" upon Afghanistan and Iraq so they could build an oil pipeline from Iraq all the down through Afghanistan....the guy is out of his mind

I would sit down and try to watch all of Columbine and Fahrenheit if I could get through them without either laughing my ass off or puking my guts out.....the guy is almost as nuts as Ron Paul...he's a goofy motherfucker that's for sure

The guy is full of shit on alot of things....if you're into buying everything the guy claims inorder to make a buck then that's your perogative but he's a quackjob of the highest order

Moore also thinks Some Kind of Monster is a brilliant piece of art work......I think that's a direct quote.....so there you go as far as how off base the guy's opinion is.......

As far as the "official story" of what happend....just like with the Kennedy Assassination....it's what really happend...Bill Clinton even gave some cuntspiracy nutjob a verbal beatdown who tried to verbally attack him at a townhall meeting a few years ago over all this 9/11 inside job bullshit.....

jhale667

08-11-2009, 09:11 PM

Nickdfresh

08-11-2009, 09:14 PM

Ron Paul is an isolationist and completely out of his mind. He may or may not be the fiscal conservative he claims but one thing is for sure.....he hates the military and blames The Fed on all of Congress' financial woes....

...

I don't think Ron Paul hates the military. He probably loves American and is a patriot in his own right. But I strongly disagree with him and his belief system.

I agree he's an isolationist nutter and I think most libertarians are to some extent. They're either disingenuous self-serving trust-fund anarchist hippy assholes trying not to have to work too hard to keep their fortune, dummy middle class (or even lower middle class) souls who actually think the gov't is somehow worse and more insidious than multi-national corporations they work for or who sell them shit, or said members and special interests of multi-national corporations trying to convince you that they are far more benevolent than your government is so they can pretty much piss on your backs at will....

Libertarianism is just another nihilist philosophy akin to Marxism and Anarchism, and closely related to the latter I might add. It's like Anarchist philosophy for people with money...

davehagarfan

08-11-2009, 09:16 PM

The Metallica flick? Haven't seen it - don't think I could bear to sit through listening to them get psychoanalyzed for two hours... I do like the theme song...probably one of the best tunes they've put out in years, not to go completely off-topic. :D

I don't buy into everything anyone says - far too naturally skeptical for that, but it seems like he gets way more flack than he deserves.

He stated it when he got an award that was up against Metallica's film...I think it may have been an Academy Award for best Documentary Film to be honest.....pretty pathetic that many people buy into his bullshit

Any flack Moore gets he rightfully deserves....just like that other fat fuck Rush Limbaugh.....they are two different sides of the same pathetic coin.....they suck

Nickdfresh

08-11-2009, 09:18 PM

...

I did find Maher's comment on 9/11 hilarious...that suggesting Bush was involved was stupid because it had "Bush" and "knowledge" in the same sentence...:D But still, the "official" story...not really buying it completely. But that's another thread entirely.

Maher's take on 9/11 is brilliant, and I've been saying the same thing since all of this began. Bush didn't orchestrate anything, but I do find the months prior to the attacks completely suspicious..

davehagarfan

08-11-2009, 09:25 PM

I don't think Ron Paul hates the military. He probably loves American and is a patriot in his own right. But I strongly disagree with him and his belief system.

I agree he's an isolationist nutter and I think most libertarians are to some extent. They're either disingenuous self-serving trust-fund anarchist hippy assholes trying not to have to work too hard to keep their fortune, dummy middle class (or even lower middle class) souls who actually think the gov't is somehow worse and more insidious than multi-national corporations they work for or who sell them shit, or said members and special interests of multi-national corporations trying to convince you that they are far more benevolent than your government is so they can pretty much piss on your backs at will....

Libertarianism is just another nihilist philosophy akin to Marxism and Anarchism, and closely related to the latter I might add. It's like Anarchist philosophy for people with money...

I agree with alot of that....I had a Poly Sci instructor who was a Libertarian and ended up being a crack job...I really didn't know what Libertarianism was at the time

Ron Paul might love America but he loves his ego and the sound of his own voice more.....the guy would make a horrible President.....he may not hate the Military but his thinking is extremely flawed.....I think people just hear "low taxes" "get out of debt" "Fore Fathers/Constitution" and "no more IRS" and think he is the next political Messiah....the guy is just out of his mind.....

davehagarfan

08-11-2009, 09:29 PM

Maher's take on 9/11 is brilliant, and I've been saying the same thing since all of this began. Bush didn't orchestrate anything, but I do find the months prior to the attacks completely suspicious..

What was suspicious about it? We've had terrorist attacks both at home and even more so abroad for decades now.....9/11 was just the big one.....there were three under Clinton here at home in the 90s.....

FORD

08-11-2009, 11:24 PM

Ron Paul doesn't hate the military, he just believes they shouldn't be involved in foreign occupations which have nothing to do with defending the United States of America.

Which pretty much is everything since the end of World War II, actually.

And Michael Moore is a great American patriot because his entire body of work, from his books, to his TV shows TV Nation and The Awful Truth, to his movies have been all about the REAL America and what's happened to this country because of corporatism. That's the common thread in all of his movies, whether directly dealing with economic depression or school violence or unneeded wars, or America's fucked up health care system. And yes, it was Michael Moore's "Sicko" that really started this national discussion on health care reform, so how about a little respect for the guy?

Big Train

08-12-2009, 02:11 AM

bueno bob

08-12-2009, 02:15 AM

standin

08-12-2009, 05:54 AM

It's not so much hate but extreme distrust, dismay and even some disgust.....I don't wish death or ill will on the guy or anything....I just think he's an asshole and often either completely uniformed or a master manipulator........I've seen parts of his movies, I've watched interviews on him and I've even read some of Dude Where's My Country......it's been a while but from what I remember of the opening chapters in the book he was claiming Chimpy orchestrated 9/11 as part one of a grand master plan so he could get an excuse to invade Afghanistan then later invade Iraq so he could build a pipeline from the northern tip of Iraq to the Southern tip of Afghanistan or some bullshit like that...this was about a year after the 2003 invasion of Iraq......Tubby also claimed our country had nothing to worry as far as future terrorist attacks goes because 9/11 was all our own governments doing and that there wasn't and never was a terrorist threat or attack in our country during The Clinton Administration........he failed to mention the 1993 WTC bombings....1995 Oklahoma City bomings...which were domestic terrorism but still an major attack..bigger than the 1993 WTC..... as well as the Olympic bombings in Atlanta in 1998....he also failed to mention the failed attempt of New Year's Eve 2000......when several terrorists almost got through the Candian border and were playing an attack on LAX...

The guy is either a serious dumbfuck or is lying his ass off...

I'm talking about Dude Where's My Country...his book.....he goes on and on in the first couple of chapters about how Chimp "created" all this paranoia and that we never had any kind of terrorist attacks on our shores prior to 9/11......it's been a while since I've read it but I'm pretty sure that's what he said....he also claimed 9/11 was just a big show put on by Chimp and Cheney for our entertainment in order to give them an excuse to invade and impose our "imperialism" upon Afghanistan and Iraq so they could build an oil pipeline from Iraq all the down through Afghanistan....the guy is out of his mind

I would sit down and try to watch all of Columbine and Fahrenheit if I could get through them without either laughing my ass off or puking my guts out.....the guy is almost as nuts as Ron Paul...he's a goofy motherfucker that's for sure

The guy is full of shit on alot of things....if you're into buying everything the guy claims inorder to make a buck then that's your perogative but he's a quackjob of the highest order

Moore also thinks Some Kind of Monster is a brilliant piece of art work......I think that's a direct quote.....so there you go as far as how off base the guy's opinion is.......

As far as the "official story" of what happend....just like with the Kennedy Assassination....it's what really happend...Bill Clinton even gave some cuntspiracy nutjob a verbal beatdown who tried to verbally attack him at a townhall meeting a few years ago over all this 9/11 inside job bullshit.....
Oh, I have this book on my shelf...
And it is here too...

Dude, Where's My Country (http://www.scribd.com/doc/6613722/Dude-Wheres-My-Country)

So,
"it's been a while since I've read it but I'm pretty sure that's what he said...."
Back your words....

davehagarfan

08-12-2009, 01:40 PM

Ron Paul doesn't hate the military, he just believes they shouldn't be involved in foreign occupations which have nothing to do with defending the United States of America

Which pretty much is everything since the end of World War II, actually

Actually Ron Paul doesn't think we should be involved in any kind of "foreign entanglements" what so ever.....but I'm sure he would have handled the war of 1812 much better then James Madison did.....Dr Paul probably would have handed control back over to England had King George III promised him Emperor of the United States.....

Ron Paul is an isolationist and complete retard who lacks any kind of historical accuracy in his thinking.....the guy is a raging nutjob cuntpiracy theorist....his views on Lincoln are hysterical and completely inaccurate and ignorant....just like the majority of his followers are...

davehagarfan

08-12-2009, 01:41 PM

my personal biggest beef with michael moore is that he frames things with selective facts, ominous overdubs and corners people who he knows can't speak to him for a variety of reasons.

When they don't, cue the ominous overdubs...then the sad, puppy dog voice he goes "isn't this a shame. Those evil corporate bastards. All we wanted was...add subject of movie here....

Sheep stand in line, buy popcorn and question nothing.

Rinse and repeat movie after movie.

b-i-n-g-o

davehagarfan

08-12-2009, 01:46 PM

Oh, I have this book on my shelf...
And it is here too...

So,
"it's been a while since I've read it but I'm pretty sure that's what he said...."
Back your words....

I don't need to back my words....it's all in there...most of it in the first chapter or two.....it's full of shit....just like his movies...

WACF

08-12-2009, 01:54 PM

My personal biggest beef with Michael Moore is that he frames things with selective facts, ominous overdubs and corners people who he KNOWS can't speak to him for a variety of reasons.

When they don't, cue the ominous overdubs...then the sad, puppy dog voice he goes "Isn't this a shame. Those evil corporate bastards. All we wanted was...add subject of movie here....

Sheep stand in line, buy popcorn and question nothing.

Rinse and repeat movie after movie.

I agree.

He seems to dumb it down and direct you to his way of thinking...in a obvious way.

His information can be good...and his message is good...his delivery sucks IMO.

It is alot like watching Penn and Teller Bullshit...which in itself...is bullshit.

FORD

08-12-2009, 02:32 PM

Leaked Email: CNBC Went To Tea Partiers Looking for Angry Protests
By Zachary Roth - August 12, 2009, 12:21PM

CNBC approached Tea Party activists, looking for angry protest events that would make good television, according to a leaked email from a Tea Party discussion group. And one Tea Bagger responded by flagging an upcoming event that, he said, "should be a riot ... literally."

Yesterday, Tea Party Patriots national coordinator Jenny Beth Martin sent an email, obtained by TPMmuckraker, to a Tea Party google group. Martin told the group: "We have a media request for an event this week that will have lots of energy and lots of anger. This is for CNBC."

She then asked: "So, where are the big events this week and where can TPP best be represented on the news?"

Later that day, a Tea Bagger named Pat Wayman responded with a suggestion, also obtained by TPMmuckraker: "This one should be a riot! literally...." he wrote.

Wayman then posted information for an upcoming "health fair" hosted by Rep. David Scott (D-GA), at which the uninsured will receive free medical coverage*.

As Wayman noted, "[t]his is the Congressman who got a swastika painted on his office sign last night."

So, at least in Martin's telling, the pro-business CNBC was specifically looking for an event with "lots of energy and lots of anger." (Earlier this year, they just relied on their own correspondents for that.)

And of course, some Tea Baggers were only to happy to try to provide that anger.

Late Update: Martin tells TPMmuckraker that she did not forward the Scott event -- or, in fact, any event -- on to CNBC as a candidate for coverage. She stressed that her group "does not endorse anything that incites violence of any kind," adding that the email list is un-moderated. "I can't moderate every single comment," she said.

Asked whether CNBC had specifically told her they were looking for an event with "lots of energy and lots of anger," Martin replied: "That was the impression that I received from them." She declined to elaborate.

CNBC did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Leaked Email: CNBC Went To Tea Partiers Looking for Angry Protests | TPMMuckraker (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/email_tea_baggers_hoping_for_riot_at_rep_scotts_to .php?ref=fpblg)

FORD

08-12-2009, 05:58 PM

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/zippy890/nhprotest.jpg
Guess which one of these people is NOT a teabagger :biggrin:

Baby's On Fire

08-12-2009, 08:09 PM

I've heard that Freddie Mercury was a teabagger, and it got him killed.

Big Train

08-12-2009, 08:21 PM

And yet you ask who is stirring up trouble...

Baby's On Fire

08-12-2009, 10:04 PM

The people stirring up trouble are the brain dead, brainwashed, illiterate and stupid fucking rednecks...only a tiny fraction are represented in FORDs post above.

The hillbilly with the sign talking about "reading the bill" probably can't even fuckin' read. Because if he could, we wouldn't be listening to what the cunt Sarah Palin is lying about.

He would have read it himself...except he's a brainswashed republican who can't think for himself....nor probably think at all...except of course beer, Jesus, guns and ammo. And that Goddamned neegar President.

Maybe Bushco should come back for 8 more years or tyrrany, repression, lying, corruption, murder and Hell?

How's that for stirring up trouble?

FORD

08-12-2009, 10:08 PM

Baby's On Fire

08-12-2009, 10:14 PM

Seems to me the repukes threw out that godamned neegar hellraiser, they did.

She must have made her point.

standin

08-12-2009, 11:35 PM

You want to know who's stirring up the fucking trouble? RACIST KLAN FREEPER PIECES OF SHIT, that's who.

As clearly seen in this video.......

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....white trash piece of shit freeper rips a picture of ROSA PARKS right out of the hands of an elderly black woman. Guess who most of the cops went after? :mad:

Because I didn't quite understand what was happening..I know others that read here won't either.
Here is the editorial from the video.

This is what actually happened at the event. The news only showed the woman being escorted away by the police. What happened was the women walked in with signs, the crowd booed and yelled at the women. The women rolled up their posters and put them down. A photographer/reporter approached the woman on the end and wanted to see what the poster was. As the woman went to show the photographer/reporter what the poster was, a man from the bleachers stood up and snatched the poster from the woman and photographer/reporter. As the woman went to retrieve her poster the police stepped in and escorted the woman and the man from the building.

The poster was not of Obama, it was not pro health care, the poster that was taken from the woman and wrinkled up into a ball was of Rosa Parks.

National news coverage only showed the woman being escorted from the forum and left out the fact that it was the man who started the incident. Not to mention it was a poster of Rosa Parks.

Not sure what Rosa Parks has to do with health care or why bring a Rosa Parks poster... no clue of that connection.....

She was the only one to bring a poster?
And what exactly was the speaker saying about the poster at the beginning of the clip?

However, it was obvious the crowd was there for disruption only for them to notice this small incident to the side. And cheer, instead of mumble among themselves.

FORD

08-12-2009, 11:47 PM

Racists hate Rosa Parks as an icon of the civil rights movement.

Or as they would call her, "that uppity ni**er bitch that wouldn't sit at the back of the bus like she was told to"

standin

08-13-2009, 12:28 AM

Thanks. And the crowd booed at some misplaced poster?

Do they think this is for only black people?

I have know, for lack of better words, some white separatist breeders and working class benefits was a apart of their life. All that was available.

Matter fact, their children would not have been able to afford school had it not been for the school provided by the federal and state governments.

standin

08-13-2009, 12:31 AM

I am going to look this up, but I wonder did police and fire departments have have so difficult a time when they first thought to be enhanced by the government?

standin

08-13-2009, 12:48 AM

It appears to that a certain segment of society (that was not abiding by Christian laws) did try to keep predator ways .

FORD

08-15-2009, 02:14 AM

More evidence of racist motivation in the TeaBagger rallies. Look who's recuiting for the damned things......

Tea Parties - Stormfront (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=198)

standin

08-15-2009, 07:45 AM

Well then, send in the clowns, if they start the supremest

That said:
This is not a separatist issue, but separatist do have political beliefs.

Many upon many whites use government services, of all kinds.

As I said before, the plantation owners used false ideology to lie to poor whites.
Those sorts did it then, those sorts do it now.
those sorts will always look toward greed and the other 6 sins,
those sorts are like speeders just a thing to be contended with in society.
To pretend like those sorts do not exist is silly.

Poor and working class whites need to be educated and protected from the lies and deceits the same as any other. And for whatever reason, poor white seem to be more exploitable by those sorts.

And as with any separatist group of any reason, separatist require a closer observation simply because of nature separatism's privacy provides excellent cover for predators.