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mwsully
08-23-2009, 11:49 AM
Larry Flynt: Common Sense 2009 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-flynt/common-sense-2009_b_264706.html)

Common Sense 2009

The American government -- which we once called our government -- has been taken over by Wall Street, the mega-corporations and the super-rich. They are the ones who decide our fate. It is this group of powerful elites, the people President Franklin D. Roosevelt called "economic royalists," who choose our elected officials -- indeed, our very form of government. Both Democrats and Republicans dance to the tune of their corporate masters. In America, corporations do not control the government. In America, corporations are the government.

This was never more obvious than with the Wall Street bailout, whereby the very corporations that caused the collapse of our economy were rewarded with taxpayer dollars. So arrogant, so smug were they that, without a moment's hesitation, they took our money -- yours and mine -- to pay their executives multimillion-dollar bonuses, something they continue doing to this very day. They have no shame. They don't care what you and I think about them. Henry Kissinger refers to us as "useless eaters."

But, you say, we have elected a candidate of change. To which I respond: Do these words of President Obama sound like change?

"A culture of irresponsibility took root, from Wall Street to Washington to Main Street."
There it is. Right there. We are Main Street. We must, according to our president, share the blame. He went on to say: "And a regulatory regime basically crafted in the wake of a 20th-century economic crisis -- the Great Depression -- was overwhelmed by the speed, scope and sophistication of a 21st-century global economy."

This is nonsense.

The reason Wall Street was able to game the system the way it did -- knowing that they would become rich at the expense of the American people (oh, yes, they most certainly knew that) -- was because the financial elite had bribed our legislators to roll back the protections enacted after the Stock Market Crash of 1929.

Congress gutted the Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial lending banks from investment banks, and passed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which allowed for self-regulation with no oversight. The Securities and Exchange Commission subsequently revised its rules to allow for even less oversight -- and we've all seen how well that worked out. To date, no serious legislation has been offered by the Obama administration to correct these problems.

Instead, Obama wants to increase the oversight power of the Federal Reserve. Never mind that it already had significant oversight power before our most recent economic meltdown, yet failed to take action. Never mind that the Fed is not a government agency but a cartel of private bankers that cannot be held accountable by Washington. Whatever the Fed does with these supposed new oversight powers will be behind closed doors.

Obama's failure to act sends one message loud and clear: He cannot stand up to the powerful Wall Street interests that supplied the bulk of his campaign money for the 2008 election. Nor, for that matter, can Congress, for much the same reason.

Consider what multibillionaire banker David Rockefeller wrote in his 2002 memoirs:

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


Read Rockefeller's words again. He actually admits to working against the "best interests of the United States."


Need more? Here's what Rockefeller said in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." They're gaming us. Our country has been stolen from us.

Journalist Matt Taibbi, writing in Rolling Stone, notes that esteemed economist John Kenneth Galbraith laid the 1929 crash at the feet of banking giant Goldman Sachs. Taibbi goes on to say that Goldman Sachs has been behind every other economic downturn as well, including the most recent one. As if that wasn't enough, Goldman Sachs even had a hand in pushing gas prices up to $4 a gallon.

The problem with bankers is longstanding. Here's what one of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, had to say about them:

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, and then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their father's conquered."


We all know that the first American Revolution officially began in 1776, with the Declaration of Independence. Less well known is that the single strongest motivating factor for revolution was the colonists' attempt to free themselves from the Bank of England. But how many of you know about the second revolution, referred to by historians as Shays' Rebellion? It took place in 1786-87, and once again the banks were the cause. This time they were putting the screws to America's farmers.

Daniel Shays was a farmer in western Massachusetts. Like many other farmers of the day, he was being driven into bankruptcy by the banks' predatory lending practices. (Sound familiar?) Rallying other farmers to his side, Shays led his rebels in an attack on the courts and the local armory. The rebellion itself failed, but a message had been sent: The bankers (and the politicians who supported them) ultimately backed off. As Thomas Jefferson famously quipped in regard to the insurrection: "A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Perhaps it's time to consider that option once again.

I'm calling for a national strike, one designed to close the country down for a day. The intent? Real campaign-finance reform and strong restrictions on lobbying. Because nothing will change until we take corporate money out of politics. Nothing will improve until our politicians are once again answerable to their constituents, not the rich and powerful.

Let's set a date. No one goes to work. No one buys anything. And if that isn't effective -- if the politicians ignore us -- we do it again. And again. And again.

The real war is not between the left and the right. It is between the average American and the ruling class. If we come together on this single issue, everything else will resolve itself. It's time we took back our government from those who would make us their slaves.

mwsully
08-23-2009, 11:56 AM
WHEN will people in this country say "enough is enough!" ?

standin
08-23-2009, 01:16 PM
I will go toe to toe with the unfortunate. I always felt so bad for him being shot in a courtroom. . .

First off

Mr. Flynt needs to address corruption and predatory practices in his own industry, the sex trade. Once he has demonstrated that he is against corruption and predatory practices, he will not be so green behind the ears on what it takes to regulate a sector of society.


corruption need not be accepted as part of commerce
It is not nonsense that a culture of corruption is what gave way and enhanced the unethical behaviors exhibited in the current crisis. In small towns and backwoods across America is has become commonplace to accept corruption as part and parcel of government and business alike. Even if these areas idealize vice as fiscal segment of their society, low ethics and corruption need not be accepted as part of commerce. It is there where the people can take courage and begin to take responsibility for their sector.

The SEC needs teeth, so does the Federal Reserve.
I somewhat agree when him on the SEC, but this is also where he is showing the green behind his ears. The SEC needs teeth, so does the Federal Reserve. It cannot be expected as Greenspan assumed that without structured penalties compliance is to be expected. Especially, in the enlightenment of the corruption age, it is foolhardy to think that certain sorts of our society will not be tempted by motive, opportunity, or perceived pressures to use unethical means to an end. This “means justifies the ends” mentality must go. People, real people, need to be held accountable when corporate and governmental agencies commit corruption. Moreover, to do this enforcement agencies need teeth.

finical oversight along with the teeth to penalize
As for the global market, Mr. Flynt needs to become aware of the age. He takes advantage of the very global monetary system he is saying does not exist. When his sales of his product are only within the boundaries of American borders, them let him preach no global markets. In the mean time, global oversight is needed. In today’s world, finical (and many other crimes) span the globe. You think those little nitwits from Nigeria is just an annoyance and not our issue, but they are. Their criminal activities affect people globally and to control those types of criminal enterprises and other like it, such as the Somali pirates, finical oversight along with the teeth to penalize these governments and individuals needs to be in place.

spend some time in your industry addressing corruption and predatory practices
So, Mr. Flynt, spend some time in your industry addressing corruption and predatory practices, get that green off your ear and come back when you have experience in cleaning corruption and predators from a sector of society.

sadaist
08-23-2009, 01:34 PM
WHEN will people in this country say "enough is enough!" ?

Many are. But they are being immediately branded as racists or plants by the opposition. While this may be true of some of the people beginning to rise up, I don't believe it represents the majority.

FORD
08-23-2009, 04:06 PM
Many are. But they are being immediately branded as racists or plants by the opposition. While this may be true of some of the people beginning to rise up, I don't believe it represents the majority.

Then why did they sit on their asses through 8 years of Chimp and Cheney actually destroying their country, and only have a problem with it NOW, when a Black man is trying to do something about a REAL problem, like health care.

The teabaggers aren't in the same camp as Larry Flynt here (and I mean with his politics, not his occupation) If they were, they would be advocating FOR single payer health care, because it would be the biggest FUCK YOU to corporatist corruption since FDR was president.

bueno bob
08-23-2009, 04:43 PM
Many are. But they are being immediately branded as racists or plants by the opposition. While this may be true of some of the people beginning to rise up, I don't believe it represents the majority.

Fucking PLEASE.

sadaist
08-23-2009, 04:56 PM
when a Black man is trying to do something about a REAL problem



Why do you insist on using the Presidents skin pigmentation as a defense? It seems to be a much bigger issue with his supporters than opposition.

I see a whole lot more of "He's great, and you don't like him only because he is black"

than I do "I don't like him because he is black".

sadaist
08-23-2009, 04:59 PM
Fucking PLEASE.

Insightful response. At least FORD had the courtesy to call an American President a derogatory name "chimpy", refer to the race card "BLACK man", and use a deviant sexual comment to describe people against continuous tax hikes "Teabaggers".

FORD
08-23-2009, 05:17 PM
The fact that Obama is Black is not an issue to me, but it IS a problem for the teabaggers. Have they EVER fucking dared to question whether any other President was a goddamn US citizen? They despised Clinton, but did they ever ask to see his goddamn birth certificate?

Ironically it was McCain who was actually born on foreign soil (Panama, and not in the canal zone either) but on the list of things I would have been concerned with in a McCain pResidency, that would have ranked somewhere in the bottom 5 of the list.

But you never heard these clowns bring up that issue in the campaign did you? Oh that's right..... McCain's a white Republican, so he's assumed to be American.

BTW, how many of these same teabaggers would willingly amend the Constitution to make Herr Gropenfuhrer eligible to be President? Probably every last one of them.

sadaist
08-23-2009, 05:43 PM
Have they EVER fucking dared to question whether any other President was a goddamn US citizen?

Funny that you of all people can't understand how a handful of people can actually believe in some government conspiracy/cover up.




Herr Gropenfuhrer

Who? Honestly, reading your posts is like trying to decipher a MadLibs. I can't keep up with all of the names you give everyone, and I read a lot of your posts. Can't imagine a casual reader perusing one of your rants.

FORD
08-23-2009, 05:50 PM
Your governor. The Austrian born son of a concentration camp guard who likes to grope women who are not his wife. Hence the name "Herr Gropenfuhrer"

bueno bob
08-23-2009, 06:31 PM
Insightful response. At least FORD had the courtesy to call an American President a derogatory name "chimpy", refer to the race card "BLACK man", and use a deviant sexual comment to describe people against continuous tax hikes "Teabaggers".

But at least I didn't fall back on Bill O'Reilly head in the sand 101 in regards to the Dittohead agenda against the President.

"Oh, they're accusing us of racism, but it's failing! The American people are winning!"

Like I said, FUCKING PLEASE. Racism is what it is and there's absolutely no disguising it. You know what ELSE there's no disguising? Idiotic slight of hand by the Republican right to try and deflect their blatant attempts to derail EVERY aspect of Obama's presidency with "The American people have spoken!" bullshit.

That's right, I said it. BULLSHIT.

Birthers?
Racists?
Socialism?

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.

I'd love to know where all these cocksuckers were when Bush was FLAGRANTLY disregarding the constitution and Dickhead Cheney was obtaining more and more personal power for his position. I'd like to know where all these cocksuckers were when Bush was abandoning bin Laden for the (supposedly) richer fields of Iraq. I'd like to know where all these cocksuckers were then. I'd REALLY like to know.

Oh! That's right! Bush was a bible thumper so it was all under some kind of holy fucking mandate which makes it all ok, right?

Tell me, if Obama told you that his agenda was a religious mandate from the almighty, would it be OK then?

I'll tell you what right here and right now, that whole "They're accusing us of racism, but that's failing and the American people are winning!" crock of horse shit that worthless fucks like Glenn Beck and his Fox News cronies are spewing to themselves is SO far out of alignment I can't imagine anybody with an IQ over 60 lowering themselves to even repeat it, let alone actually buy into it.

The American people are fucking LOSING because these Fox News/Republican agenda "Derail it all!" dickheads are losing it FOR America.

That "detailed" enough for you?

Because I think "FUCKING PLEASE" pretty much covers it nicely, myself.

sadaist
08-23-2009, 06:53 PM
I can't imagine anybody with an IQ over 60 lowering themselves to even repeat it, let alone actually buy into it.




...said the man after his long rant on the very subject.

kwame k
08-23-2009, 08:35 PM
Well, to keep beating a dead horse.......Bush lied to us about the reason to invade a sovereign nation and no one other than a few free thinking people even seemed to mind. Killing thousand of people in the process and costing us trillions of dollars but war is OK just not health care for the millions of people who are uninsured.

Bush let Bernanke basically give a blank check to all their Wall Street buddies.....where was the outrage there.

The News a few weeks ago confirmed that the US government was spying and collecting information on thousands of law abiding citizens who had absolutely no ties to anti-government plots or terrorism. Done under Cheney's watchful eyes but no one has a problem with that.

So basically the most corrupt and blatantly anti-consistuional government known to man is fine but give out free/affordable health care and watch the Socialism tag get thrown around.

Quick questions.......Did government get bigger or smaller under Bush? Did government spending increase or decrease under Bush? How many innocent people died because of Bush? How much of our tax payers money went missing and is unaccounted for because of Bush......just try to account for the billions Halliburton spent........wait you can't! When questioned on that point by congress Halliburton basically said "we don't know where the money went". No problem we trust you and we know you guys because Cheney used to work for you so don't worry about paying any of it back.

Yeah Obama has really fucked this country up. We were doing so great under Bush:umm:

sadaist
08-23-2009, 09:18 PM
but give out free/affordable health care and watch the Socialism tag get thrown around.




Free? You sure about that chief?

kwame k
08-23-2009, 10:15 PM
Free? You sure about that chief?

...of course not, nothing is in play yet......hence, free/affordable tag.

So out of my entire post that's all you have?

bueno bob
08-23-2009, 10:42 PM
...said the man after his long rant on the very subject.

Nice job dodging the whole thing.

You wanted INSIGHT from me on the subject, and I just gave it to you. Now you're whining about it?

sadaist
08-24-2009, 02:00 AM
...of course not, nothing is in play yet......hence, free/affordable tag.

So out of my entire post that's all you have?

When your post starts of with ridiculous claims, it makes it difficult to take the rest of it seriously. The "free/affordable health care" is totally off base. Free and/or affordable for whom? The people who use it. I can guarantee you it will not be free to working Americans lucky enough to be making a decent salary. Affordable for them? Possibly. But there are only so many tax dollars you can take. At some point things do pass the "affordable" point.



Did government get bigger or smaller under Bush?

Bigger, but not even in the same ballpark as what President Obama’s vision is.


Did government spending increase or decrease under Bush?

Again, not even in the same universe as what Obama envisions.


How many innocent people died because of Bush?

If you really want to play that card, how many innocent people died due to President Clinton’s inaction? Or, how many more innocent people were not killed because of Bush’s actions?


The News a few weeks ago confirmed that the US government was spying and collecting information on thousands of law abiding citizens who had absolutely no ties to anti-government plots or terrorism. Done under Cheney's watchful eyes but no one has a problem with that.


And did these law abiding citizens end up on a White House black list and begin receiving emails from David Axelrod?


When questioned on that point by congress Halliburton basically said "we don't know where the money went"

Maybe they used the same accountants used by Obama’s "Cash For Clunkers" architects. The program that was scheduled to run through October and ran out of money in one week. Or any of his other programs that will require much more money than originally projected.


Yeah Obama has really fucked this country up. We were doing so great under Bush

What exactly has Obama done that can be claimed a triumph? Enough time has passed now that President Obama needs to begin being judged by what he has done and planning to do...and not what his predecessor did or did not do. The Democrats have full control of all branches of government and yet, haven't done anything with their power but play the blame game. Even their own are starting to speak up against particular ideas only to be quickly admonished, cast away, and labeled "Blue Dogs".

sadaist
08-24-2009, 02:04 AM
Nice job dodging the whole thing.

You wanted INSIGHT from me on the subject, and I just gave it to you. Now you're whining about it?


Whining? Screaming through your keyboard is insightful to you? Six exclamations, 17 words in all caps, and 13 offensive words is how you make your point? Shows a high level of intellect if not just frustration with knowing the difficulties you face backing up your statements.



FUCKING PLEASE. Racism is what it is and there's absolutely no disguising it.

The "everyone who disagrees with Obama is racist" is as ridiculous as the "everyone who disagrees with Bush is un-American" was.

Rather than yell "racist" at everyone who disagrees, why not instead post all of the terrific things Obama has done/doing and what their benefits to everyone are? Educate us point by point. That is what you demanded from Bush supporters. Why when the coin is flipped do you not see this? It is scary for you I'm sure, because everything that you will claim Obama will do that is wonderful, will be shot down by the truth of the sheer costs involved and the impossibilities of achieving these goals without driving this country further into the ground than you can wrap your mind around.

Oh, I suppose you will retort "Bush supporters didn't back up anything". But that shouldn't preclude you from backing your guy now. The "but Bush, but Bush" is getting old. We have a pretty decent stretch now of Obama being in office. Enough time at least for him to show this magnificent change & redirection/healing of the country. So far all I've seen is hope. The hope that he will stop spending money he does not have. The hope that the wealthy will finally get what's coming to them. The hope that a handout is in the mail. The hope that the government doesn't get their hands into controlling everything or the hope that the government will take care of us.

bueno bob
08-24-2009, 02:38 AM
Whining? Screaming through your keyboard is insightful to you? Six exclamations, 17 words in all caps, and 13 offensive words is how you make your point?

Should I have wrapped it up in prettier words for you? Jesus Christ, really.

Still dodging, I see.


Shows a high level of intellect if not just frustration with knowing the difficulties you face backing up your statements.

:rolleyes:

Most of it strikes me as common sense.


The "everyone who disagrees with Obama is racist" is as ridiculous as the "everyone who disagrees with Bush is un-American" was.

Yeah, and?

I never said it wasn't. But the fact that Republicans are trying to wrap it up in "Oh, we're being painted as racists, but America's seeing through it! We're winning!" is GLORIFIED BULLSHIT.


Rather than yell "racist" at everyone who disagrees, why not instead post all of the terrific things Obama has done/doing and what their benefits to everyone are?

Um, because I've already done that? I'll call racism where I see it, I don't need to have what it is or isn't clarified to me, especially not by you.


Educate us point by point. That is what you demanded from Bush supporters.

I didn't demand anything from Bush supporters. I knew exactly why they were supporting him and that demanding any sort of sensible reason was a lost cause.


Why when the coin is flipped do you not see this?

Gee, it's funny. I seem to remember a "This is America! Love it or leave it!" mentality when all the Bush supporters were in power. Why is it when the coin is flipped all of a sudden it doesn't work for you anymore?


It is scary for you I'm sure, because everything that you will claim Obama will do that is wonderful, will be shot down by the truth of the sheer costs involved and the impossibilities of achieving these goals without driving this country further into the ground than you can wrap your mind around.

LMAO. "Scary", hunh? I know what sheer fucking terror is, and I see it demonstrated every time I turn on Fox News and listen to any of the birthers and socialism pushers. They demonstrate their growing level of horror pretty effectively all on their own.

OOOOH, evil socialism! :rolleyes:

OOOOH, birth certificates! :rolleyes:

OOOOH, he hates white people! :rolleyes:

Yeah, I don't think I need you to tell me what "scared" is.


Oh, I suppose you will retort "Bush supporters didn't back up anything".

They didn't, other than with a fucking bible. I use the same backup to wipe my ass daily.


But that shouldn't preclude you from backing your guy now.

Never has, genius. You paid attention to anything I've posted since 2006 about Obama?

Probably not, but the point remains...


The "but Bush, but Bush" is getting old.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure it is. I'm sure Republicans would just LOVE to sweep all of the damning evidence against Bush and his criminal presidency under the carpet under the guise of "Oh, come on, it's getting old...blah blah blah..."

With any luck, it won't be that easy for you.


We have a pretty decent stretch now of Obama being in office.

LMAO

7 months? Um, OK. Even I gave Bush benefit of the doubt for four years. Bad choice on my part, but live and learn. Most Republicans have been pissing in their pants since election day. Or before.


Enough time at least for him to show this magnificent change & redirection/healing of the country. So far all I've seen is hope.

Odd. Looks to me like he's been a pretty fucking busy President since day one. Of course, your side of the fence has been doing absolutely boo shit to help and have even LOWERED yourselves to actually contributing to derail any and all efforts at bipartisan work.

Been listening to your Fox News, I see.


The hope that he will stop spending money he does not have.

Were you bitching about it when Bush was spending shitloads of cash per day in Iraq that we didn't have? Oh no...that was a holy fucking mandate, I forgot...

Here we are trying to spend it at home in the hopes that it'll reinvigorate this economy that's been fucked by Republican mismanagement and corporate greed at the highest levels to be found in this country, and DO SOMETHING for American citizens and businesses, and NOW you wanna bitch about financial conservation? Lovely.

Fox News talking points. Empty and vapid. And luckily enough, the MINORITY.

hideyoursheep
08-24-2009, 03:22 AM
I tend not to take my political advice from a man who was born in Kentucky and super-glues a models' labia to her leg for a "better shot".

Sorry.


No, I'm not.

sadaist
08-24-2009, 05:40 AM
Odd. Looks to me like he's been a pretty fucking busy President since day one. Of course, your side of the fence has been doing absolutely boo shit to help and have even LOWERED yourselves to actually contributing to derail any and all efforts at bipartisan work.

And accomplished exactly what? Why does Obama need bipartisan support to pass his agenda? The Democrats have full control, yet are inept with it.



Been listening to your Fox News, I see.

No. Shepard Smith maybe twice a month.



every time I turn on Fox News

Wait, you just chastised me for assuming I watch it, and you're the one that's watching? Do as I say, not as I do mentality. Let me guess, you're way too smart to be swayed by anything on that network and watch it simply for laughs.



But the fact that Republicans are trying to wrap it up in "Oh, we're being painted as racists, but America's seeing through it! We're winning!" is GLORIFIED BULLSHIT...
I'll call racism where I see it

So they either are racists, and they should be rightly labeled as such.

or

they are not racists and you're using the "glorified bullshit" as a crutch for your weak arguments.

So are they or aren't they being wrongly tagged as racist? Easy question considering you & others at this site claim to be able to spot it a mile away.

I think you believe they are all racists, but are flat out scared to come out and just admit to it. Insinuations, small little tidbit comments here & there, eluding to it in your statements. It's a whole lot easier to tip toe around the subject crying about how they are whining about being called that the whole time rather than sack up and flat out say "they are all racists".



I seem to remember a "This is America! Love it or leave it!"

I do recall many high profile liberals stating they would move out of the country if Bush were elected for a second term. Unfortunately none made good on their promises.



Were you bitching about it when Bush was spending shitloads of cash per day in Iraq that we didn't have?

I was "bitching" that not enough money was going where it was needed most. That the troops on the ground did not have sufficient equipment nor funds to purchase that equipment. I do remember Democrats continuous attempts at stopping the funding as well. I'm sure you remember, it was in the days of the news-ticker style daily count of deaths in the war. Since Obama has been elected, soldiers have still died over there. Where is the daily count/tally now? Or do their deaths not mean as much because Democrats can't use them for political gain?



OOOOH, evil socialism!

No one claims Obama has a magic socialism button or is going to suddenly pass a "We're switching to Socialism" bill, but his ideas, agenda, and things he has done already are traveling down that road. If we do not want to be a socialist country, at what point do we finally draw the line? When do we say "OK government...we think we're close enough now. Time to stop & hold the status quo"?



OOOOH, he hates white people!

Funny, I remember the exact thing being said about Bush hating black people. Katrina ring a bell?



Here we are trying to spend it at home in the hopes that it'll reinvigorate this economy that's been fucked by Republican mismanagement and DO SOMETHING for American citizens and businesses

Well, you got me there. Raising the deficit to unprecedented levels, spending billions of dollars on pork projects and greased palms, taxing businesses and citizens dry, leaving a massive debt for future generations, and allowing the government to get their hands in every aspect of our lives is DOING SOMETHING.

Dr. Love
08-24-2009, 11:00 AM
The banks don't have any power that we (as a people) don't give them. About 2 years ago when this shit started to go down, I decided I didn't want to belong to a credit society. I paid off all my credit cards. I paid all my loans, except my car loan and my student loan, and I started saving a significant amount of money every month from not having to make all those additional payments. I turned around and paid off 1 of my 2 student loans.

This year I'll pay off the other (25 years ahead of schedule) or pay off my car (3 years ahead of schedule). Next year I'll pay off the other. Additionally, I've taken a european vacation, bought a new entertainment center and new king sized bed + mattress -- all with cash. I don't buy anything unless I have the cash to buy it. I save up. The anticipation and planning actually makes the end result of my purchase more satisfying instead of charging it to a card and wondering how I'm going to pay yet another bill. My credit score has soared from paying down all my debts and closing the accounts I previously had.

That doesn't really matter to me. I don't plan on buying anything on credit. Not a car. Not a house. Nothing. When my girlfriend and I get married, her entire income will be diverted to savings; I already make enough to support us both and still be able to save 1/3 of my own income already based on not being under a mountain of credit card bills.

If you don't want a bank to control your immediate life, don't sign up to be their slaves. If you don't want the banks to control our society, then a lot of us have to change how we run our own lives. It's not hard. It just takes dedication and discipline, not revolution.

For a lot of people in this country, it's a lot easier to strap a gun to their hip and try to make some asinine point that they are defending themselves than it is to clean up their own lives and lead by example. What a shame.

And if Obama is owned by the banks, why did they cram through the credit card reform that was supposed to help so many? Or is that some sort of Trojan horse to you guys?

jhale667
08-24-2009, 11:39 AM
Funny, I remember the exact thing being said about Bush hating black people. Katrina ring a bell?


Yeah, it does...and how is it a relevant comparison in the first fucking place? Has there been any comparable disaster in a predominantly white area of a city that Obama has fucked off on for over three days while people drowned? Didn't think so, so STFU with that one...

:fufu:

bueno bob
08-24-2009, 12:41 PM
And accomplished exactly what?

Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act into law, 1/29/09

Signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, 2/4/09, which continued coverage for 7 million children and extended coverage to 4 million more

Signed the DTV Delay Act into law, 2/11/09, to give Americans more time to make the transition from analog to digital television

Signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law, 2/17/09

Named White House aides on urban affairs, investing billions of dollars in programs benefiting urban areas “where 80% of the American people live and work.”

Supported the market while trimming excesses...

Re-established some of our credibility overseas...

Introduced initiatives for treatment of Guantanamo detainees to equal pay for women to high speed railway plans....

Working to introduce jobs in renewable energy that will relieve us of our dependence on foreign oil by 2020...

National security? We're still not being attacked...

I can go on and on, but trust me, he's been pretty busy.


Why does Obama need bipartisan support to pass his agenda? The Democrats have full control, yet are inept with it.

This is true. But the original point was this, since you seem to have missed it - he went to Republicans in a bi-partisan effort to work on numerous problems facing the country and was met with a closed fist every time. Did you forget that that was what I said? Perhaps you should engage in the use of your scroll feature on the right hand side of your computer so that you can keep involved with the discussion and keep things in context here.

As far as other Democrats are concerned, I can name you quite a few that I'm not exactly happy with...oh wait! I already have in numerous other posts. Have you not read them?


No. Shepard Smith maybe twice a month.

Funny, considering you seem to recite most of their rhetoric like an old pro. In any regards, it's still baseless.


Wait, you just chastised me for assuming I watch it, and you're the one that's watching? Do as I say, not as I do mentality. Let me guess, you're way too smart to be swayed by anything on that network and watch it simply for laughs.

Basically, yeah. It's obviously a work of fiction, which is exactly what I've been saying for, oh, the last eight years or so. I like to know how the other half thinks and what the guns 'n' bibles mentality, uh, takes as gospel. And they do take Fox News as gospel. I know. I've seen it in action.


So they either are racists, and they should be rightly labeled as such. or they are not racists and you're using the "glorified bullshit" as a crutch for your weak arguments.

LMAO.

Let me spell it out for you...AGAIN...in plain English: 1) I know what racism is; 2) I don't need you to tell me what it isn't.

Do you have a hard time with that concept?

Do NOT sit there and tell me you're being portrayed as a racist but you're "winning". I'm simply too fucking smart for that. And I think most people are.


So are they or aren't they being wrongly tagged as racist? Easy question considering you & others at this site claim to be able to spot it a mile away.

See above. It's not a difficult thing to follow here.


I think you believe they are all racists, but are flat out scared to come out and just admit to it.

:lmao:

Again...FUCKING PLEASE. Who are you trying to convince with that?


Insinuations, small little tidbit comments here & there, eluding to it in your statements.

LMAO! Really?

Show me proof.


It's a whole lot easier to tip toe around the subject crying about how they are whining about being called that the whole time rather than sack up and flat out say "they are all racists".

Jesus Christ, your leaps of logic are astonishing. Are you from Krypton? Must be the way they defy gravity.


I do recall many high profile liberals stating they would move out of the country if Bush were elected for a second term. Unfortunately none made good on their promises.

True. Did you actually have a point with that, or...?

Personally, I don't give much of a shit whether the Baldwins live here or abroad, frankly. It's, um, irrelevant.


I was "bitching" that not enough money was going where it was needed most. That the troops on the ground did not have sufficient equipment nor funds to purchase that equipment.

THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE FUCKING BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!


I do remember Democrats continuous attempts at stopping the funding as well.

Well, cutting off the flow of cash would certainly go a long way to derail a war. Or so one would think. Guess Bush thought otherwise, considering he kept them over there. Who do you think that shows has less consideration for our troops?

In any regards, their not having proper equipment was bullshit and all involved with the lack of that equipment should be held accountable.


Since Obama has been elected, soldiers have still died over there. Where is the daily count/tally now? Or do their deaths not mean as much because Democrats can't use them for political gain?

Oh yeah, deaths don't mean as much now. Yeah, that's it. Well, let me say this about that...if that's the way you figure people feel about it, you're really fucked in the head and have deeper problems than I can address.

As far as Iraq is concerned, ensuring their continued security has been our responsibility since we illegally invaded them. I said as much during Bush's reign of terror. We owe them that much. On the plus side, Obama does in fact have an exit strategy by August 31st, 2010, something his inept predecessor did not (and visibly had no interest in).


No one claims Obama has a magic socialism button or is going to suddenly pass a "We're switching to Socialism" bill, but his ideas, agenda, and things he has done already are traveling down that road.

I disagree. I see nothing to back that up, either.


If we do not want to be a socialist country, at what point do we finally draw the line? When do we say "OK government...we think we're close enough now. Time to stop & hold the status quo"?

:lmao:

"Status quo" is what got us into this fucking mess in the first place.


Funny, I remember the exact thing being said about Bush hating black people. Katrina ring a bell?

Did you see me saying it? If not, you have no point. Additionally, the whole Katrina affair was just mismanaged, period; and the outcry of "Bush hates blacks" was the result of a natural disaster which hit a very distinctive percentage of people; the whole "Obama hates whites!" comes from the talking heads at Fox News and specifically Glenn Beck. You tell me what's worse.


Well, you got me there. Raising the deficit to unprecedented levels,

Necessary, and being invested in American interests as a way of stopping the country from imploding. Thank your BCE, trickle nowhere economics and the highest levels of corporate greed in this country for that being a necessity.

Let's see. I know it's been used before, I think maybe Lounge used it?

The forest is on fire. The fire department shows up. They start trying to put out the fire and all of a sudden a portion of the campers are bitching about water conservation.

Beautiful logic!


Spending billions of dollars on pork projects and greased palms,

I love the word "pork". "Pork" essentially translates into "He's spending money and I guess I don't like it because it's not going to me". And thus goes the rest of your 'financial argument'.

ZahZoo
08-24-2009, 12:54 PM
I don't give a damn who started what in this economic crap...

I don't give a damn who's black or white or green or yellow...

But I do want the federal government to do the jopb they are paid to do. Especially in the regulatory and justice departments. There's a ton of fraud that's gone on specific to the mortgage industry... I suspect a good part of it is still going on. That crap needs to be halted. Same thing with Wall St...

If we don't fix anything so that this crap stops and doesn't happen again... you can't expect anything to improve. Start shutting down the banks, the mortgage companies and probably the best starting point is the companies giving triple AAA credit ratings to banks sitting on toxic debt.

Only until some house cleaning occurs will the markets and economy start to rebuild.

Kristy
08-24-2009, 01:36 PM
If we don't fix anything so that this crap stops and doesn't happen again... you can't expect anything to improve. Start shutting down the banks, the mortgage companies and probably the best starting point is the companies giving triple AAA credit ratings to banks sitting on toxic debt.

Only until some house cleaning occurs will the markets and economy start to rebuild.

That's all well and good in theory Zoo but our banks and their creepy cousin the mortgage industry are like an infected tooth of corruption that if you pull it what good does it do when the infection has already spread throughout the rest of the body? The true function of the government is in the minority in that you have large corporations, special focus groups, and lobbyists all influencing and thus eventually making the laws that benefit them and their aims while fucking the tax payer over & over who bail out their mistakes.

To stand up and simply say "enough is enough" is more cliche t-shirt slogan than revolution in these days; in fact, if there was a "enough is enough" so-called grass roots movement (in the same manner as that retarded tea baggers nonsense) it would most likely end up being sponsored by Coke-a-Cola, Geico, and Merk Pharmaceuticals. And I'm not being at all cynical here - that actually would happen.

ZahZoo
08-24-2009, 02:38 PM
That's all well and good in theory Zoo but our banks and their creepy cousin the mortgage industry are like an infected tooth of corruption that if you pull it what good does it do when the infection has already spread throughout the rest of the body? The true function of the government is in the minority in that you have large corporations, special focus groups, and lobbyists all influencing and thus eventually making the laws that benefit them and their aims while fucking the tax payer over & over who bail out their mistakes.

To stand up and simply say "enough is enough" is more cliche t-shirt slogan than revolution in these days; in fact, if there was a "enough is enough" so-called grass roots movement (in the same manner as that retarded tea baggers nonsense) it would most likely end up being sponsored by Coke-a-Cola, Geico, and Merk Pharmaceuticals. And I'm not being at all cynical here - that actually would happen.

You missed a key point I made... present day regulatory and justice departments need to start doing their current damn jobs.

For example... Federal Housing Finance Agency need to be actively reviewing loan activities within Fannie Mae, Fannie Mac and all Federal Home Loan Banks. For every case of fraud found putting people in loans they can't afford... shuffle that case over to the FBI for prosecution.

SEC should be aggressively going after the companies that have regulatory oversight over the outfits that provide credit ratings for financial companies. Review their loan portfolios and if there are signs that these companies have given inappropriate ratings... shut them down immediately and send the case over to the justice department for prosecution.

I'm not advocating any sort of t-shirt slogan crap. I'm advocating that our federal government get off their lazy asses and do what they are being paid to do today. Don't need any new laws or legislation... just get to work. If they can't fire or impeach whoever is the top leader and get someone who can motivate these people to work their asses off.

Go research the Savings and Loan debacle... see how the feds cleaned up that mess and sent a lot of these white collar criminals to jail... along with some of their own government employees who were part of the fraud. Go view the video Igosplut posted in this forum... here http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/front-line/56083-video-lecture-finacial-crisis.html

That guy knows what he's talking about and isn't some crackpot with a half assed plan.

Hardrock69
08-24-2009, 03:23 PM
Too bad the last president we had who had enough balls to tell the Fed they could no longer run the United States economy got him a brand-spanking new air-conditioned brainpan, courtesy of our local CIA:

http://i27.tinypic.com/2udxqb6.jpg

Kristy
08-24-2009, 04:13 PM
I'm not advocating any sort of t-shirt slogan crap. I'm advocating that our federal government get off their lazy asses and do what they are being paid to do today. Don't need any new laws or legislation... just get to work. If they can't fire or impeach whoever is the top leader and get someone who can motivate these people to work their asses off.

I didn't miss your point, just that there is too much outside influence on our current government to make a difference anymore. Maybe I am too cynical.

sadaist
08-24-2009, 05:16 PM
Re-established some of our credibility overseas...


Like when the Chinese laughed in Tim Geithners face when he said the American dollar would be strong and we would make good on our debts? Or maybe the "reset button" we gave to Russia...that went well. Or how Libya heeded Obamas harsh, harsh warning on not having a hero's welcome for the Lockerbie bomber. Maybe that's why people are beginning to ask Hillary what Bill thinks.



National security? We're still not being attacked...


You did not buy this argument when Bush was President, but now claim it as one of Obamas triumphs?



Signed the DTV Delay Act into law, 2/11/09, to give Americans more time to make the transition from analog to digital television


Really? It takes a messiah of hope and change to sign this? Wait, wasn't this a government program to buy people the new converters?



Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act into law, 1/29/09

Signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, 2/4/09, which continued coverage for 7 million children and extended coverage to 4 million more

Signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law, 2/17/09

Named White House aides on urban affairs, investing billions of dollars in programs benefiting urban areas “where 80% of the American people live and work.”

Supported the market while trimming excesses...

Introduced initiatives for treatment of Guantanamo detainees to equal pay for women to high speed railway plans....

Working to introduce jobs in renewable energy that will relieve us of our dependence on foreign oil by 2020...

I can go on and on, but trust me, he's been pretty busy.



Looks like all he has done is spend a bunch of money (more than he has). Don't really see any "excesses" being trimmed. And you list these as Obama triumphs? Great accomplishments? Looks about similar to any other average Presidents first 6-7 months in office. Where's the change? Or is that where the hope comes in?

I give you credit for attempting. At least you listed something. But come on. Really? You honestly believe these are great things that could not have been accomplished if any of the other potential Presidential candidates had won?

standin
08-24-2009, 05:53 PM
Too bad the last president we had who had enough balls to tell the Fed they could no longer run the United States economy got him a brand-spanking new air-conditioned brainpan, courtesy of our local CIA:
Ohhh no the big scary picture post!
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Ohh, the great conspiracy. The so big so bad the it's not really there so nothing to confront, but it's there so don't confront it magical mystical anonymous mAJIC jACK, sON OF sAM
Blow off with that crap

Corruption happens, always did always will, but just like the scary corruption of the Mississippi Burning eras, it can be confronted, removed and/or cleaned. Murder has no statue of limitations. And even if the guilty die before confession or accountability. There is no reason to say, "yep, that's it nothing can be done now"... And not continue working toward accountability of business and governmental agencies.

Your worship of the intimidation factor is idolatry at the one of the most sinister levels. :pullinghair:


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jhale667
08-24-2009, 09:36 PM
Really? You honestly believe these are great things that could not have been accomplished if any of the other potential Presidential candidates had won?

There was only one other choice, and it wasn't pretty...

Do you really believe Grandpa McCain and Moosealini would have done anywhere near as well thus far? Even close?

FORD
08-24-2009, 10:13 PM
Fuck off GAyR

sadaist
08-24-2009, 10:52 PM
There was only one other choice, and it wasn't pretty...

Do you really believe Grandpa McCain and Moosealini would have done anywhere near as well thus far? Even close?


I meant all of the other candidates before it was down to McCain/Obama. Back when there were still several candidates on both sides vying for the nomination of their party.

And when you ask if I believe if McCain would have "done anywhere near this well"...I don't see that Obama has done anything well. Maybe you should rephrase to "Do you really believe McCain would have done less damage?" Then my answer would be yes.

bueno bob
08-25-2009, 12:32 AM
The padawan is right. Douchebaggery at its finest, both are.

Master Yoda?

You always were a green little sniveling bitch. I should have killed you when you told me to accept my wife's impending demise with joy.

I was ALWAYS more powerful than you! :mad:

bueno bob
08-25-2009, 12:36 AM
I meant all of the other candidates before it was down to McCain/Obama. Back when there were still several candidates on both sides vying for the nomination of their party.

Hillary?

Romney?

:lmao:

The REAL best candidate was Dennis Kucinich, but America doesn't quite have the balls to elect a REAL good President.

Yet. ;)


And when you ask if I believe if McCain would have "done anywhere near this well"...I don't see that Obama has done anything well.

Nice dodge, Neo.

http://crackofdawn.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/imagesmatrix-dodge-this-small1.jpg


Maybe you should rephrase to "Do you really believe McCain would have done less damage?" Then my answer would be yes.

LMAO

I might have agreed with you once, but...

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/mccain%20bush%20hug%20twn.jpg

sadaist
08-25-2009, 02:35 AM
Nice dodge, Neo.


It wasn't a dodge. The question itself was fundamentally flawed. But cute response on your part. I liked that movie.

Might as well have asked me "If a dolphin climbs a tree, will the cracked cheese bubble onto the titanium lip before the cow grabs the fork on the asteroid". Makes as much sense as saying Obama has done well.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/kidqwik/nobama.jpg

jhale667
08-25-2009, 11:40 AM
The force is not strong with GAyR...:rolleyes:

Igosplut
08-25-2009, 11:55 AM
The force is not strong with GAyR...:rolleyes:

No shit, huh?

What we would do with him was ban every alias he tried to register so he had to post under his Gargle handle. Saved the other posters a lot of wasted space....

Hardrock69
08-26-2009, 12:13 AM
Ohh, the great conspiracy. The so big so bad the it's not really there so nothing to confront, but it's there so don't confront it magical mystical anonymous mAJIC jACK, sON OF sAM
Blow off with that crap

Corruption happens, always did always will, but just like the scary corruption of the Mississippi Burning eras, it can be confronted, removed and/or cleaned. Murder has no statue of limitations. And even if the guilty die before confession or accountability. There is no reason to say, "yep, that's it nothing can be done now"... And not continue working toward accountability of business and governmental agencies.

Your worship of the intimidation factor is idolatry at the one of the most sinister levels. :pullinghair:


You should call your doctor. Apparently your prescription has run out.

Kennedy signed an executive order in 1963 which returned the authority to issue new silver certificates (and specify denominations) back to the U.S. Treasury. Previously the FED was the only entity allowed to issue currency.

And a Federal Reserve Note is backed by NOTHING. At least Silver Certificates were backed by the US Government's silver reserves.

Once JFK was gone (who the fuck cares WHO did it) all Silver Certificates were recalled. And again, the authority to issue currency remained with the FED, who issues Federal Reserve Notes in direct violation of the US Constitution.

IF our currency was still on a standard (Gold or Silver), then we would be in much better shape, as there would be no such thing as 'inflation', for the most part.

As it is, the fucking Fed only has to ask the Dept. Of Printing & Engraving to print up more money, then it loans the money to the UNITED STATES TAXPAYER CHARGING INTEREST! So not only is the Fed actively driving us further into debt, the more money it prints up, the less each dollar is actually worth.

As always, when we get a president in office who tries to actually do something to improve our country, there are always people out there hellbent on destroying our country who will do all they can to prevent the president from achieving his goals.

The above was the point of my previous post, Mr. Helper.

http://i28.tinypic.com/oumhig.jpg

Nitro Express
08-26-2009, 12:44 AM
The fact that Obama is Black is not an issue to me, but it IS a problem for the teabaggers. Have they EVER fucking dared to question whether any other President was a goddamn US citizen? They despised Clinton, but did they ever ask to see his goddamn birth certificate?

Ironically it was McCain who was actually born on foreign soil (Panama, and not in the canal zone either) but on the list of things I would have been concerned with in a McCain pResidency, that would have ranked somewhere in the bottom 5 of the list.

But you never heard these clowns bring up that issue in the campaign did you? Oh that's right..... McCain's a white Republican, so he's assumed to be American.

BTW, how many of these same teabaggers would willingly amend the Constitution to make Herr Gropenfuhrer eligible to be President? Probably every last one of them.

I believe the corporate elites that finance the presidential campaigns market presidential candidates like how Pepsi, Coke, or Budwieser are marketed. Since the country is split between Democrats and Republicans they market a candidate in each. If the country was more concerned about war, McCain and the Republicans would get the presidency. If the economy Obama and the Democrats would win. Republicans are pretty much about conservative Judeo/Christian values and independance. Democrats are pretty much about equality and social programs. Since eight years of Republican rule was a disaster and actually eroded the Constitutional freedoms Republicans supposedly value, the Democrats had a good chance of winning even if the Republicans had something better that McCain.

Obama won because he was not a Republican and was someone different. I'm sure some people voted for him because he was black but that isn't why he won the presidency. He seemed intelligent and was likable. He sold hope and change. He had a HUGE marketing machine behind him. Many people thought he would be a good president. I think he had the potential to be a good president but I'm afraid Obama is a sellout and does not have the American people's best interest as a concern. He has done nothing but expand the wars, continued to bailout banks who raise interest and fees on their solvent customers, push legislation that will run small and medium business out of business and herd the masses towards working for the govt. Where does this man think the money is going to come from for all this?

I'm afraid the incompetance and arrogance will continue to make the citizens of the US angry and this is only the begining of it. As job losses continue and taxes increase. As inflation grows people will grow wary of the bullshit, lies, and arrogance of the political and corporate leaders and we will get real change for good or bad.

Nitro Express
08-26-2009, 12:52 AM
You should call your doctor. Apparently your prescription has run out.

Kennedy signed an executive order in 1963 which returned the authority to issue new silver certificates (and specify denominations) back to the U.S. Treasury. Previously the FED was the only entity allowed to issue currency.

And a Federal Reserve Note is backed by NOTHING. At least Silver Certificates were backed by the US Government's silver reserves.

Once JFK was gone (who the fuck cares WHO did it) all Silver Certificates were recalled. And again, the authority to issue currency remained with the FED, who issues Federal Reserve Notes in direct violation of the US Constitution.

IF our currency was still on a standard (Gold or Silver), then we would be in much better shape, as there would be no such thing as 'inflation', for the most part.

As it is, the fucking Fed only has to ask the Dept. Of Printing & Engraving to print up more money, then it loans the money to the UNITED STATES TAXPAYER CHARGING INTEREST! So not only is the Fed actively driving us further into debt, the more money it prints up, the less each dollar is actually worth.

As always, when we get a president in office who tries to actually do something to improve our country, there are always people out there hellbent on destroying our country who will do all they can to prevent the president from achieving his goals.

The above was the point of my previous post, Mr. Helper.

http://i28.tinypic.com/oumhig.jpg

The Federal Reserve big wigs were here in Jackson Hole a few days ago having their annual pow wow. We never had big depressions until the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Central banks always cause bubbles because they issue too much money and then there is a devastating crash. Before, the market decided the value of the commodity the notes were based on. There were recessions which weeded out the poorly ran businesses and allowed the well ran ones to continue. Of course you had monopolies that had to be broken up time to time and this was the role of govt. but where we are now is the monopolies have become the govt. and the so called free market is rigged by insiders and interest rates pulled out of a hat.

Nitro Express
08-26-2009, 01:00 AM
Well, to keep beating a dead horse.......Bush lied to us about the reason to invade a sovereign nation and no one other than a few free thinking people even seemed to mind. Killing thousand of people in the process and costing us trillions of dollars but war is OK just not health care for the millions of people who are uninsured.

Bush let Bernanke basically give a blank check to all their Wall Street buddies.....where was the outrage there.

The News a few weeks ago confirmed that the US government was spying and collecting information on thousands of law abiding citizens who had absolutely no ties to anti-government plots or terrorism. Done under Cheney's watchful eyes but no one has a problem with that.

So basically the most corrupt and blatantly anti-consistuional government known to man is fine but give out free/affordable health care and watch the Socialism tag get thrown around.

Quick questions.......Did government get bigger or smaller under Bush? Did government spending increase or decrease under Bush? How many innocent people died because of Bush? How much of our tax payers money went missing and is unaccounted for because of Bush......just try to account for the billions Halliburton spent........wait you can't! When questioned on that point by congress Halliburton basically said "we don't know where the money went". No problem we trust you and we know you guys because Cheney used to work for you so don't worry about paying any of it back.

Yeah Obama has really fucked this country up. We were doing so great under Bush:umm:

The Bush Administration did a HUGE amount of damage to the country. The thing is, why isn't Obama repealing the Patriot Act and reinstating the banking regulation laws Clinton repealed? Instead he's expanded the wars, continued to reward the crooked bankers and corporations, he's pushing for HUGE govt. and HUGE taxes. He is making the problems Clinton and Bush caused worse.

Nitro Express
08-26-2009, 01:01 AM
Bush ran the ship into the iceberg and Obama has burned the lifeboats.

sadaist
08-26-2009, 01:20 AM
And a Federal Reserve Note is backed by NOTHING. At least Silver Certificates were backed by the US Government's silver reserves.


I always found our current currency odd. Sometimes on eBay you can find silver bars for sale that are from the Fed where people took their certificates in somewhere & basically cashed in...traded the note for the silver.

standin
08-26-2009, 08:40 AM
You should call your doctor. Apparently your prescription has run out.



If you want to partake in a drag-about, that is one choice you can make.

In doing so, I would begin by pointing out you need to let go of the teat.
Furthermore your choice to picture a man whose accomplishment was being able to yell load obscenities as a comedy routine demonstrates the lack of confidence in your argument that you are presenting.

However, I will take your comment in stride, taking note that is was made late in the evening, therefore subject to possible fatigued state of being.

That said, I will close this comment and respond to your post in a fresh reply.
~`~

standin
08-26-2009, 09:17 AM
Kennedy signed an executive order in 1963 which returned the authority to issue new silver certificates (and specify denominations) back to the U.S. Treasury. Previously the FED was the only entity allowed to issue currency.

And a Federal Reserve Note is backed by NOTHING. At least Silver Certificates were backed by the US Government's silver reserves.

Once JFK was gone (who the fuck cares WHO did it) all Silver Certificates were recalled. And again, the authority to issue currency remained with the FED, who issues Federal Reserve Notes in direct violation of the US Constitution.

IF our currency was still on a standard (Gold or Silver), then we would be in much better shape, as there would be no such thing as 'inflation', for the most part.

As it is, the fucking Fed only has to ask the Dept. Of Printing & Engraving to print up more money, then it loans the money to the UNITED STATES TAXPAYER CHARGING INTEREST! So not only is the Fed actively driving us further into debt, the more money it prints up, the less each dollar is actually worth.

As always, when we get a president in office who tries to actually do something to improve our country, there are always people out there hellbent on destroying our country who will do all they can to prevent the president from achieving his goals.




The gold or pickle standard is both based on faith. There is no logical reason for gold or silver to be of more value than the word of the person hold the product.


What is a standard, if you want one that is realistic is the land standard. There is limited supply and can produce worth.

~

As always, when we get a president in office who tries to actually do something to improve our country, there are always people out there hellbent on destroying our country who will do all they can to prevent the president from achieving his goals.

Again, I state:

Corruption happens, always did always will, but just like the scary corruption of the Mississippi Burning eras, it can be confronted, removed and/or cleaned. Murder has no statue of limitations. And even if the guilty die before confession or accountability. There is no reason to say, "yep, that's it nothing can be done now"... And not continue working toward accountability of business and governmental agencies.


And also an example of out of control corruption being reinged in.


Cambodian court jails US man for child sex - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090826/wl_asia_afp/cambodiausvietnamcrimepaedophilia;_ylt=AoNc9RgRejB NpVwtbdemTCh0fNdF)

Though, it is not related to the corruption you believe to be the case within Dallas, it is an example of a conscious effort to start in a new way for a country riled with corruption of the most vile nature.

But here is a closer less monumential step being taking

standin
08-26-2009, 09:48 AM
Not sure what it was but froze the computer in a really weird way. Couldn't even shut down the Internet traffic.


But here was the last sentence. I tired to get back soon enough to clean up the spelling errors, but the edit feature has lapsed by the time I got back.


CIA torture probe draws fire from all sides
CIA torture probe draws fire from all sides - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090826/pl_afp/usattacksciaintelligenceprobe_20090826050621)

kwame k
08-26-2009, 01:42 PM
The Bush Administration did a HUGE amount of damage to the country. The thing is, why isn't Obama repealing the Patriot Act and reinstating the banking regulation laws Clinton repealed? Instead he's expanded the wars, continued to reward the crooked bankers and corporations, he's pushing for HUGE govt. and HUGE taxes. He is making the problems Clinton and Bush caused worse.
Those are the questions I keep asking myself.

Pelosi and Reid are fucking useless, period, so there's no help there. I am no Obama apologist and the only hope I have is that he's only been in office less than 8 months. I gave no free passes to Bush and I will give no free passes to Obama. The points you mention are the big ones I would of fixed first before doing anything else. I would of dealt with Iraq and Gitmo at the same time too. The argument that he is just putting a band-aid on things to keep this country going is all fine and dandy but fixing the root cause of our problem has to be addressed at some point or we'll be right back in the same mess we are now, at some later point and time.

We can not be isolationist but we can't be the world police either. We need a balance in our foreign policy but more importantly we need to focus on the US first and foremost. Obama inherited two wars, (war is the wrong word since we won the war but are losing the occupation) that have been a cluster fuck. I do agree that we need to stop the focus on Iraq and at least get the poppy crops under control in Afghanistan but we need to get out of there, too.

He's done some good things and some things I just shake my head and say WTF!

I can understand the perception that if he goes after the previous administration he'll look vindictive but right is right, no matter what the political or popular opinion is. We need to have hearings on the crimes Bush Co perpetrated on this country. People need to be held accountable for their actions whether or not they are currently in office.

As far as the banking and Wall Street crimes, we need regulation and we need safeguards put in place so this never happens again.....you know the old saying, "Learn from your mistakes". Will that ever happen and is our current political system so corrupt, so beholden to special interests that no real reform will ever happen? 50/50 at best.

bueno bob
08-26-2009, 02:14 PM
Look to false messiahs for salvation, one must not. Joined the dark side Obama has, hmmpph. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now.

What the fuck would YOU know about the dark side you short sighted green bitch-midget?

At least I had balls enough to stick my feet in BOTH ends of the pool, you mongoloid 900 year old virgin!

:mad:

bueno bob
08-26-2009, 02:42 PM
Balls have you? Eunachkin?

Yeah, let me know when you nail HER and then we'll start talking about who has the testicles here, dwarf.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/parkfan/aotc_anakin_padme_lg13.jpg

bueno bob
08-26-2009, 02:46 PM
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/41/l_ba38a912c7b74f7baf56d99ac7dc21ce.jpg

FORD
08-26-2009, 03:20 PM
No shit, huh?

What we would do with him was ban every alias he tried to register so he had to post under his Gargle handle. Saved the other posters a lot of wasted space....

Sounds like a reasonable idea.

sadaist
08-26-2009, 03:30 PM
Balls have you? Eunachkin?

Okay, that's pretty funny. Fail, but still funny.

Nitro Express
08-26-2009, 03:32 PM
The banks don't have any power that we (as a people) don't give them. About 2 years ago when this shit started to go down, I decided I didn't want to belong to a credit society. I paid off all my credit cards. I paid all my loans, except my car loan and my student loan, and I started saving a significant amount of money every month from not having to make all those additional payments. I turned around and paid off 1 of my 2 student loans.

This year I'll pay off the other (25 years ahead of schedule) or pay off my car (3 years ahead of schedule). Next year I'll pay off the other. Additionally, I've taken a european vacation, bought a new entertainment center and new king sized bed + mattress -- all with cash. I don't buy anything unless I have the cash to buy it. I save up. The anticipation and planning actually makes the end result of my purchase more satisfying instead of charging it to a card and wondering how I'm going to pay yet another bill. My credit score has soared from paying down all my debts and closing the accounts I previously had.

That doesn't really matter to me. I don't plan on buying anything on credit. Not a car. Not a house. Nothing. When my girlfriend and I get married, her entire income will be diverted to savings; I already make enough to support us both and still be able to save 1/3 of my own income already based on not being under a mountain of credit card bills.

If you don't want a bank to control your immediate life, don't sign up to be their slaves. If you don't want the banks to control our society, then a lot of us have to change how we run our own lives. It's not hard. It just takes dedication and discipline, not revolution.

For a lot of people in this country, it's a lot easier to strap a gun to their hip and try to make some asinine point that they are defending themselves than it is to clean up their own lives and lead by example. What a shame.

And if Obama is owned by the banks, why did they cram through the credit card reform that was supposed to help so many? Or is that some sort of Trojan horse to you guys?

The best way to live is not to owe anyone but with the bankers bailout, you will be forced to pay a lot of your hard earned money to bail out the banks who overloaned to suckers. This is why I hate the bailout. It punishes the people who stayed solvent and rewards the reckless.

Nitro Express
08-26-2009, 03:38 PM
Those are the questions I keep asking myself.

Pelosi and Reid are fucking useless, period, so there's no help there. I am no Obama apologist and the only hope I have is that he's only been in office less than 8 months. I gave no free passes to Bush and I will give no free passes to Obama. The points you mention are the big ones I would of fixed first before doing anything else. I would of dealt with Iraq and Gitmo at the same time too. The argument that he is just putting a band-aid on things to keep this country going is all fine and dandy but fixing the root cause of our problem has to be addressed at some point or we'll be right back in the same mess we are now, at some later point and time.

We can not be isolationist but we can't be the world police either. We need a balance in our foreign policy but more importantly we need to focus on the US first and foremost. Obama inherited two wars, (war is the wrong word since we won the war but are losing the occupation) that have been a cluster fuck. I do agree that we need to stop the focus on Iraq and at least get the poppy crops under control in Afghanistan but we need to get out of there, too.

He's done some good things and some things I just shake my head and say WTF!

I can understand the perception that if he goes after the previous administration he'll look vindictive but right is right, no matter what the political or popular opinion is. We need to have hearings on the crimes Bush Co perpetrated on this country. People need to be held accountable for their actions whether or not they are currently in office.

As far as the banking and Wall Street crimes, we need regulation and we need safeguards put in place so this never happens again.....you know the old saying, "Learn from your mistakes". Will that ever happen and is our current political system so corrupt, so beholden to special interests that no real reform will ever happen? 50/50 at best.

If the Democrats hated what Bush/Chenney did in two terms why aren't they using their majority vote to undo the damage? Why aren't they tearing the Patriot Act to shreds? Why aren't they doing anything to reduce the troops in the middle east? Why aren't they tossing No Child Left Behind? I think they are really saying,"Oh thank you Bush for the power you have given us! We will blame you but we will continue to screw the American people and add to the screwing."

kwame k
08-26-2009, 07:48 PM
If the Democrats hated what Bush/Chenney did in two terms why aren't they using their majority vote to undo the damage? Why aren't they tearing the Patriot Act to shreds? Why aren't they doing anything to reduce the troops in the middle east? Why aren't they tossing No Child Left Behind? I think they are really saying,"Oh thank you Bush for the power you have given us! We will blame you but we will continue to screw the American people and add to the screwing."

In a perfect world and we all know the world of politics is not a perfect world but....I'll say it again, Reid and Pelosi are fuckwads!!!!!!!!!!!!:pullinghair: The leadership and the majority the Dems have, they are pissing it away and guess what dumbfucks you have a mid-term election happening next year.......shit or get off the pot. I'll say it now the voting public will take a huge right turn if the Dems don't start showing signs of forward progress.

They have a huge mess to clean up...... Financial problems here and abroad, occupations of two countries, a crumbling domestic infrastructure, public schools falling apart/behind the rest of the world, the biggest deficit we've ever had and growing, and on and on.

The housing market has done it's traditional end of summer spike but I still say there's way more inventory than buyers so I don't see the housing market coming back strong anytime soon. Way to bloating over the last decade and it was never sustainable IMO.

The Patriot Act will never be taken away, it may get amended but once a bureaucracy is started they usually never go away or get dismantled, your job is safe if you work for the DHS. Holding the CIA, FBI, Dick Cheney and the others accountable for warrant-less wiretaps and spying on millions of Americans......has been well documented and has been all over the news lately, so I do see that coming into play soon.

The question I have about Iraq is. How many private contractors will still be over there and will the US still be picking up the tab for those contractors.......you don't hear much from Obama or the mainstream media about that one, at least I haven't.

As per the agreement Bush made, we have to be out by the end of 2011 and Obama has stated it will be earlier than that. How many troops we swap out to Afghanistan and how many troops we actual bring home remains to be seen, he has about a year, to do it in if he stays true to his word.

There has been some progress made, not enough but I go back to, less than 8 months in office is not a ton of time. Normally or on an average, any policies made in the last six months will take at least a year or so to see the benefits maybe longer.......that's usually true no matter who the President is Repuke or Dem or who has the majority in congress.

You know I have to......at this time in the first year of Bush's Presidency he had taken how many vacations? :tongue0011:

bueno bob
08-26-2009, 08:09 PM
Okay, that's pretty funny. Fail, but still funny.

Pretty low standards for humor, hunh?

It's OK.

bueno bob
08-26-2009, 08:10 PM
Guess again, you can. Fuck your wife I did. Biatch.

Lu.scio.us Hentai - Album:Sinful Comic - Yoda & Padme - Page 1 (http://lu.scio.us/hentai/albums/sinful-comic-yoda-padme/page/1)

Weak, Gar.

Very.

Very.

Weak.

And I still owned your bitch ass. How soon til you get bored with your stupid fucking alias, anyway?

kwame k
08-26-2009, 08:22 PM
Weak, Gar.

Very.

Very.

Weak.

And I still owned your bitch ass. How soon til you get bored with your stupid fucking alias, anyway?

Till we all ignore him;)

bueno bob
08-27-2009, 12:11 AM
Till we all ignore him;)

Ha!

True...