Laptop searches.

[Blackflag]

This is complete bullshit. Thanks for bringing the 'change.'

Gov't Tightens Oversight of Laptop Border Searches - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=8430511)

Discuss.

[standin]

Do you read what you rant about???????

The Obama administration on Thursday put new restrictions on searches of laptops at U.S. borders to address concerns that federal agents have been rummaging through travelers' personal information.



Between Oct. 1, 2008, and Aug. 11 of this year, Customs and Border Protection officers processed more than 221 million travelers at U.S. borders and searched about 1,000 laptops, of which 46 were "in-depth" searches, the Homeland Security Department said.

Besides that is not much searching AT ALL. And if you do not understand why laptops and electronic devices needs to be searched at such a very basic level and such a very basic point, then you are not too bright.

Besides, only the most "gotten careless and lost regard" and novice will be caught in such searches. In other words newbies and "stressed callous fucks"

[Seshmeister]

I went on maybe 6 US flights last year with a laptop and the security was the same as you get anywhere, it goes through the machine separately but that is it. 1000 searches out of 221 million isn't a lot and ok if they are intelligence led.

Which they would have to be if you think about it. Random laptop searches would quickly fuck up the millions of businessmen constantly flying into the US. If there was even a small chance that US customs would confiscate my laptop coming into the country I wouldn't bring it in which means I may not bring business to the US.

I'm less happy about the fact the US government now has my fingerprints when I have never been arrested for any crime ever anywhere in the world.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Some of you guys need to fly around overseas for a while....

Christ, I've been in some airports that have up to 10 different security checkpoints.... Manila comes to mind immediately, Tel Aviv as well...

[Nickdfresh]

This is complete bullshit. Thanks for bringing the 'change.'

Gov't Tightens Oversight of Laptop Border Searches - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=8430511)

Discuss.


Gee. Maybe the searches had something to do with the massive fucking drug war going on in Mexico?

[Blackflag]

I think what you cockgobblers fail to understand is that this is happening to Americans on American soil. Yes, I've been overseas, and I've been searched over and over. I don't have a problem with that when I'm a guest in another country. I should be prepared for that when I step into somebody else's customs. (And, Nick, a Mexican should be prepared for that when they enter U.S. customs. There's always a war going on somewhere in the world - not sure what that has to do with my laptop?)

But - a U.S. citizen in a U.S. airport - the Fourth Amedment applies. Get a warrant.

[Blackflag]

Do you read what you rant about???????

I did. Did you?

What are the new restrictions? A supervisor has to be present while you're getting fucked. They have to return your property in a WEEK. Then they contradict themselves and it's no longer the case that this can be done without a warrant...then say they can still do it with only 'probable cause.' Like one of those ex-taco bell TSA motherfuckers know what probable cause is.

You're right - 1000 out of 221 million is not that much. How would you like to be one of 1000 out of 221 million to get fucked in the ass? I don't understand why the fat, lazy motherfuckers in this country piss all over the Bill of Rights today.

[Blackflag]

"Change" would have been: cut this shit out and get a warrant. The only "change" this puppet is going to bring is the loose change hitting our faces when he runs the economy right into the ground.

:fu:

[Nickdfresh]

I think what you cockgobblers fail to understand is that this is happening to Americans on American soil. Yes, I've been overseas, and I've been searched over and over. I don't have a problem with that when I'm a guest in another country. I should be prepared for that when I step into somebody else's customs. (And, Nick, a Mexican should be prepared for that when they enter U.S. customs. There's always a war going on somewhere in the world - not sure what that has to do with my laptop?)

But - a U.S. citizen in a U.S. airport - the Fourth Amedment applies. Get a warrant.


Well, buttlick. I think it was 1,000 computers out of hundreds of millions of travelers, so obviously it's not everyone. Please give a number of "U.S. citizens" that have had their laptop seized...

[standin]

I did. Did you?

What are the new restrictions? A supervisor has to be present while you're getting fucked. They have to return your property in a WEEK. Then they contradict themselves and it's no longer the case that this can be done without a warrant...then say they can still do it with only 'probable cause.' Like one of those ex-taco bell TSA motherfuckers know what probable cause is.

You're right - 1000 out of 221 million is not that much. How would you like to be one of 1000 out of 221 million to get fucked in the ass? I don't understand why the fat, lazy motherfuckers in this country piss all over the Bill of Rights today.

As a person that deals in sensitive data in the private sector with little to no checks and balances on me. I am one of those 1000 and one of the 221.

[Blackflag]

Please give a number of "U.S. citizens" that have had their laptop seized...

That's impossible, because no warrants were required. They could make up any number at all, or deny every one of them. Starting to see the beauty of the Fourth Amendment? Oversight.

[Nickdfresh]

...

You're right - 1000 out of 221 million is not that much. How would you like to be one of 1000 out of 221 million to get fucked in the ass? I don't understand why the fat, lazy motherfuckers in this country piss all over the Bill of Rights today.

If you are, you must be a total fuckwit douchebag to be 1000 out of 221 million to "get fucked in the ass." I would say that that is "probable cause."

[Blackflag]

How would you like to be one of 1000 out of 221 million to get fucked in the ass?


I am one of those 1000 and one of the 221.

.....

[standin]

Most places keep an "observation" on me. I expect this when dealing in questionable material.
Both the "bad guys" and the "good guys" observe me regularly.

[Nickdfresh]

That's impossible, because no warrants were required. They could make up any number at all, or deny every one of them. Starting to see the beauty of the Fourth Amendment? Oversight.

Well, documenting the national origin of 1000 laptops seized, less than 50 of those held long term, might not be all that difficult...

[standin]

Excuse me one of 1000 out of 221 million and also the one of the 46 out of a 1000.

Maybe, not one of the 46....
But when I stress up it is a concern.

[Seshmeister]

"Change" would have been: cut this shit out and get a warrant. The only "change" this puppet is going to bring is the loose change hitting our faces when he runs the economy right into the ground.

:fu:

In case you didn't notice it was the last guy that allowed the economy to run right into the ground.

You sound like one of those paranoid mentalists that can't cope with modern life and so ends up sitting in a shithole in the woods surrounded by dozens of guns disappointed that there is actually noone and nothing to use them against.

[Blackflag]

If you are, you must be a total fuckwit douchebag to be 1000 out of 221 million to "get fucked in the ass." I would say that that is "probable cause."

You would say what is probable cause?

It's not even clear to me what "probable cause" would mean in this case. I don't think it would be clear to a judge, either, and that's why they don't want to go through that little hassle of the Fourth Amendment.

If you're driving and you smell like, alcohol, that's probable cause for suspicion of drunk driving. If a bank just got robbed, and you're running down the street with cash falling out of your pockets, that's probable cause.

What would be probable cause to search your laptop? You're wearing an "I'm a hacker" t-shirt? You're a known terrorist? If so, arrest the fucker. I can't imagine a case where there's enough cause to search somebody's laptop, but not enough cause to arrest them.

Bottom line - you ignorant minion motherfucker - this is all a smoke screen to piss on the fourth amendment.

[Blackflag]

Well, documenting the national origin of 1000 laptops seized, less than 50 of those held long term, might not be all that difficult...

It wouldn't be difficult. They're not compelled to do that.

[Blackflag]

In case you didn't notice it was the last guy that allowed the economy to run right into the ground.

Save it. This guy is doing an equally good job on his own.




You sound like one of those paranoid mentalists that can't cope with modern life and so ends up sitting in a shithole in the woods surrounded by dozens of guns disappointed that there is actually noone and nothing to use them against.

Modern life requires us to surrender the Bill of Rights that was secured for us? You sound like one of those incrementalists that can rationalize every way that his socialist state makes him suck dick.

[Nickdfresh]

You would say what is probable cause?

It's not even clear to me what "probable cause" would mean in this case. I don't think it would be clear to a judge, either, and that's why they don't want to go through that little hassle of the Fourth Amendment.

And you say US citizens. How many laptops of US citizens have been seized? and does the Fourth Amendment apply to foreign nationals?


If you're driving and you smell like, alcohol, that's probable cause for suspicion of drunk driving. If a bank just got robbed, and you're running down the street with cash falling out of your pockets, that's probable cause.

What would be probable cause to search your laptop? You're wearing an "I'm a hacker" t-shirt? You're a known terrorist? If so, arrest the fucker. I can't imagine a case where there's enough cause to search somebody's laptop, but not enough cause to arrest them.

What if you have the same name of a known Mexican cartel leader? Law enforcement can't check that?


Bottom line - you ignorant minion motherfucker - this is all a smoke screen to piss on the fourth amendment.

Right. Except you can't provide ONE fucking example where an American citizen has had their laptop seized, alarmist paranoid pussy...

[standin]

Blackie, we (the bad guys that is) watch you from the satellites too. The satellites have been hacked and are under use by a select group of persons. We use that information to plant documentation on your computers the moment before you board( we don't want you to catch wind that it is on there) From there you get prosecuted for the child porn on your computer or the financial crimes documented on your computer. Sometimes when we are bored we put Ben Laden and Al Kiada stuff, to keep the feds hopping.
Psss. Ben Laden is just an RPG character.
Joke

[Seshmeister]

You sound like one of those incrementalists that can rationalize every way that his socialist state makes him suck dick.



According to your figures 1 in 200 000 people have to suck dick which isn't a huge amount.

You should be more worried about having to suck corporate cock to beg them to pay out on your health care policy or guzzling their sperm so you don't lose your job because you can't survive losing the benefits that go with it.

You should move to Somalia, they have very very small government and you are free to do exactly what you want...

[Blackflag]

And you say US citizens. How many laptops of US citizens have been seized? and does the Fourth Amendment apply to foreign nationals?



What if you have the same name of a known Mexican cartel leader? Law enforcement can't check that?



Right. Except you can't provide ONE fucking example where an American citizen has had their laptop seized, alarmist paranoid pussy...


Suit: Airport searches of laptops, other devices intrusive - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/02/11/laptop.searches/index.html)

"Khan, a Pakistani-born U.S. citizen, says it has happened five times since 2003. . . . in a lawsuit filed last week by the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Asian Law Caucus in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California."

Nick, if this shit doesn't make your blood boil, you are a worthless tool who doesn't understand why the Bill of Rights exists. It's a non-partisan violation, but I'm surprised you partisan droids aren't all over this, because this bullshit started under Bush/Ashcroft (and is continuing under Obama/Napolitano).

[Blackflag]

According to your figures 1 in 200 000 people have to suck dick which isn't a huge amount.

You should be more worried about having to suck corporate cock to beg them to pay out on your health care policy or guzzling their sperm so you don't lose your job because you can't survive losing the benefits that go with it.

You should move to Somalia, they have very very small government and you are free to do exactly what you want...

I think I'll stay here and defend the Bill of Rights. You can stay in the U.K. and take socialist balls to the face. Deal?

Make sure to submit your DNA for the database like a good subject, you spineless turd.

[GAR]

But - a U.S. citizen in a U.S. airport - the Fourth Amedment applies. Get a warrant.

This DHS bullshit was pushed thru with that ever-popular Bush2, fucking traitor-ass.

Fuck Homeland "Security." Fuck that outta the ground by its' ROOTS~!!

[standin]

You know, Blackie, they search the luggage too. If I have such issue with my bras, panties and prescriptions read, I don't travel.
In todays world, there is little need to carry on a laptop what can't be processed through the web.....
OTHER than to avoid data lines.


If tat gentleman deals in such sensitive areas, he should just plan for or around his travel.

1000's of other Muslims and 1000's of other Pakistanis travel with no issue.
Maybe, he should get a better job.
One with insurance. :biggrin:

[standin]

:lmao:
I can sell him some private security insurance. :tongue0011:

[Seshmeister]

You know, Blackie, they search the luggage too. If I have such issue with my bras, panties and prescriptions read, I don't travel.

He finds it upsetting when they find that in his luggage, he's repressed that way. :)

[standin]

hehehehe...
I wrote my bras and panties being read...:hitch:
ahhh..
I got to go get some ice.
See y'all

[Nickdfresh]

Suit: Airport searches of laptops, other devices intrusive - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/02/11/laptop.searches/index.html)

"Khan, a Pakistani-born U.S. citizen, says it has happened five times since 2003. . . . in a lawsuit filed last week by the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Asian Law Caucus in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California."

Nick, if this shit doesn't make your blood boil, you are a worthless tool who doesn't understand why the Bill of Rights exists. It's a non-partisan violation, but I'm surprised you partisan droids aren't all over this, because this bullshit started under Bush/Ashcroft (and is continuing under Obama/Napolitano).

Oh please! Yeah, the gov't should know by now and many of the security procedures at airports are worthless and all that. But one guy being searched who is traveling between Pakistan and the US doesn't get my blood boiling for some reason...

The fact that I have to throw out perfectly good toothpaste and shampoo based on some bullshit plot that was nowhere near about to take place, which the Bush Admin fucked up the British investigation of for blatant partisan pandering, is what pisses me off. Fuck some guy who has to fly between the US and Pakistan, that's his cost of doing business.

[Blackflag]

Oh please!

First you say there's no proof, then you give an 'oh please!' when you see the proof. Weak. :umm:

[Blackflag]

If my laptop they want to search, all out jedi I will go on those biatches. Hmmphh. Suck my dick that mofo Barack can.

Word.

[Nickdfresh]

If my laptop they want to search, all out jedi I will go on those biatches. Hmmphh. Suck my dick that mofo Barack can.

Well GAR, you'd actually have to own a fucking laptop to begin with, library bitch...

[Nickdfresh]

First you say there's no proof, then you give an 'oh please!' when you see the proof. Weak. :umm:


Proof of what? an isolated instance that happens to .01% of travelers?

[Nitro Express]

I'm more than happy to share the porn on my laptop with any customs agent that wants to see it. Everything else on my computer is boring shit. No secret plans. No smuggled intelligence. No trail to terrorist scum. Nothing. I'm so fucking boring it would actually be nice to have someone think I'm suspiciouse.

[Nitro Express]

The only time I really had a real go over from custom agents is when I was backpacking in Guatamalla and Belize. I hadn't shaved for two weeks and looked pretty rough. I had a bottle of mezcal in a wierd bottle in my carry-on. They knew I had to have some drugs somewhere and questioned me about my trip and they went through the smelly, dirty, musty clothes in my backpack. Who would want that job? Digging through dirty underwear and looking up assholes.

[Blackflag]

I'm more than happy to share the porn on my laptop with any customs agent that wants to see it. Everything else on my computer is boring shit. No secret plans. No smuggled intelligence. No trail to terrorist scum. Nothing. I'm so fucking boring it would actually be nice to have someone think I'm suspiciouse.

Congratulations on having no life. The rest of us would like the choice.

[Nitro Express]

Congratulations on having no life. The rest of us would like the choice.

Anyone can make the national news. Just run into any Wal-Mart naked with an Obama mask on and start knocking over the big shelves like dominos. Tazer anyone who tries to stop you. It will make your life exciting and you just may make the national news.

[Blackflag]

I'm not sure what this post has to do with making the news...

[jacksmar]

Save it Blackflag.

Every one of these FBHO supporters on here can’t wait to turn the US into Niger or Chad. It’s commie lib guilt. They live for the caste system and that’s where their half caste savior can lead them. When they end up dead like the kooks at Guyana, and their families have to scrape up the sinew, they’ll still be blaming the government.

It’s the same with all the commie libs: they can’ wait to get ass reamed by their leaders and when they get ass reamed by their leaders, they blame someone else.

FBHO

[Hardrock69]

I have travelled quite frequently around the US and never had my laptop 'searched' once.
It just went through the x-ray machine like everything else.

[GAR]

I'm less happy about the fact the US government now has my fingerprints when I have never been arrested for any crime ever anywhere in the world.

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[bueno bob]

Save it Blackflag.

That's a good start.


Every one of these FBHO supporters on here can’t wait to turn the US into Niger or Chad.

Proof?


It’s commie lib guilt.

"Commies"?

LMAO


They live for the caste system and that’s where their half caste savior can lead them.

As opposed to a dangerous rightwing nutjob moron like yourself, I'll keep my own council on who's better off.


When they end up dead like the kooks at Guyana,

I'd love to see your ignorant ass lay out a map on how you get from here to "We're all going to commit suicide under the Presidents watch".

But of course, we both know you can't do it.


and their families have to scrape up the sinew, they’ll still be blaming the government.

Interesting visual, but nothing of any substance to back it up. Points for eloquence, though.


It’s the same with all the commie libs:

Please draw me out a map where a liberal minded person equates a communist.

Your best option at this point is to quit posting and continue reading...you might actually learn something, and won't run the risk of posting something that makes you look like a redneck, country-bumpkin bible thumping 50s era tinfoil hat wearing moron paranoid that the reds are coming to take it all away.

[Blackflag]

Where did the "thank" button go? Can we only "groan" at people now?

That's actually appropriate for this forum...