Tracks that Dave played on

[Panamark]

Sesh's post in Main spawned this brain fart....

Collectively Im sure we can nail this.
How many recorded tunes did Dave play on ?
(Referring to the 6 pack of course)
And this is not limited to just the geetar !

Kickin off with WACF intro as the obvious first pick
Bring it on !!

[chefcraig]

Here's one at least. From the December 1982 Guitar Player magazine interview.

The Full Bug - Eddie: "Dave plays the acoustic guitar and harmonica on the intro of 'The Full Bug.' My lines in the middle of that are different. I've been doing a lot of stuff with Allan Holdsworth, and he inspires me."

[Big Troubles]

Sesh's post in Main spawned this brain fart....

Collectively Im sure we can nail this.
How many recorded tunes did Dave play on ?
(Referring to the 6 pack of course)
And this is not limited to just the geetar !

Kickin off with WACF intro as the obvious first pick
Bring it on !!

yeah harmonica on Full Bug guitar as well i think?

happy trails maybe?????????????

Could this be Magic?

Dont Piss me Off!

Ice Cream Man

Take yer whiskey Home?????????????????????

79th & sunset

Coconut Grove



I dunno....too tired....

[Panamark]

Secrets ???

[george]

I heard he really played Eruption... ;)

[Seshmeister]

Roth also played the keyboards on Intruder but that's not really something to boast about.

[ELVIS]

yeah harmonica on Full Bug guitar as well i think?

Were looking for facts, not thoughts...

but, you're correct...

happy trails maybe?????????????

Yeah, Dave plays the drums on Happy Trails...

Could this be Magic?

It's called WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST, numbnuts...

MARK STARTED THE THREAD WITH THAT IDEA!!!

Dont Piss me Off!

You're pissing me off!

Ice Cream Man

Yes...

Take yer whiskey Home?????????????????????

Ummm... NO!

79th & sunset

Coconut Grove

Last time I checked, these songs were not part of the six pack...

Neither is Don't Piss Me Off!

I dunno....too tired....

Or too stoned and too drunk...


:elvis:

[chefcraig]

No, the track is called "Could This Be Magic". In an interview at the time of the release of WACF, Roth stated the song was specifically titled that way so radio stations would not immediately play the tune as the title track of the record.

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[ELVIS]

Shaddup fag!

I was TOO TIRED!


:biggrin:

[Panamark]

If Dave played the Ice Cream man intro on VH1
and that was what we hear to this day, makes
that song even more special...
Hagar couldnt come up with that if the aliens
took complete control of his facilities.....

[Dave's Dradle]

If Dave played the Ice Cream man intro on VH1
and that was what we hear to this day, makes
that song even more special...
Hagar couldnt come up with that if the aliens
took complete control of his facilities.....

I have never heard the original since it is so old, but since it is a cover Dave probably didn't write the intro.

Even if he did it is very similar to the riff in the rest of the song, so it would not be hard to come up with.

Doesn't take away from the "great tune" factor and what Dave does for the song, but lets not forget it is a cover.

[ELVIS]

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:elvis:

[Guitar Shark]

Here is my list:

Ice Cream Man (acoustic intro)
Could This Be Magic? (rhythm guitar)
The Full Bug (acoustic intro, harmonica)

[ELVIS]

Mine as well...

[Panamark]

I think we are missing one, and its bugging me....
Might have to listen to the 6 pack again...

[Matt White]

The Full Bug - Eddie: "Dave plays the acoustic guitar and harmonica on the intro of 'The Full Bug.' My lines in the middle of that are different. I've been doing a lot of stuff with Allan Holdsworth, and he inspires me."

I've always maintained that DAVE plays the acoustic in FULL BUG...you'd be surprised at how many sheep argue that point....

[Matt White]

I think it's like PLANT in Zeppelin...nobody really knows how much guitar DAVE played on the 6 pack...it wasn't public knowledge & won't ever be....but we all know DAVE can play...and play well

[ELVIS]

Not THAT well...

Even Dave will tell you that...

[Panamark]

In Dave's defence I always thought he was in the Sammy Hagar league
of guitaring, two note power chords, 3 chords per song.... :biggrin:

But when I found out the stuff he actually did play, I was genuinely
surprised. He is miles better than what people credit him for.

ELVIS, just coz someone is not Yngwie, doesnt mean they are a bad geetarman ;)

[Dave's Dradle]

Dave is average as a guitar player. But he doesn't need to be great, he just needs to be competent enough to accompany himself and write songs, and he is.

I posted this on another fan site, and thought it would fit in well here, Dave and Ed talk about Diver Down, enjoy:

Guitar Player (Dec. 1982)

Eddie: Recording Diver Down "was fun": "When we came off the Fair Warning tour last year [1981], we were going to take a break and spend a lot of time writing this and that. Dave came up with the idea of, 'Hey, why don't we start off the new year with just putting out a single?' He wanted to do 'Dancing in the Streets.' He gave me the original Martha Reeves & the Vandellas tape, and I listened to it and said, 'I can't get a handle on anything out of this song.' I couldn't figure out a riff, and you know the way I like to play: I always like to do a riff, as opposed to just hitting barre chords and strumming. So I said, 'Look, if you want to do a cover tune, why don't we do 'Pretty Woman'? It took one day. We went to Sunset Sound in L.A., recorded it, and it came out right after the first of the year. It started climbing the charts, so all of a sudden Warner Bros. is going, 'You got a hit single on your hands. We gotta have that record.' We said, 'Wait a minute, we just did that to keep us out there, so that people know we're still alive.' But they just kept pressuring, so we jumped right back in without any rest or time to recuperate from the tour, and started recording. We spent 12 days making the album ... it was a lot of fun." Interviewers Note: In addition to this, two of the original songs were around long before the album was made. "Hang 'Em High" can trace its roots back to the band's 1977 demos as "Last Night", which had the same music but different lyrics. "Cathedral" was also nothing new, being played in its current form throughout 1981 with earlier versions going back to 1980. Additionally, "Happy Trails" had been recorded for their 1977 demos as a joke.

Where Have all the Good Times Gone

Dave: "we're capable of playing six different [Kinks songs]. Because at one time, back in our bar days, I bought a double album from K-Tel or something that had 30 Kinks tunes on it. We learned all of one side and played them into the dirt during the club gigs, twice a night each one, because they sounded so good and they were great to dance to, etc., etc." He added that the band had never met Ray Davies but that "we had a seance once and tried to dredge up his spirit. And Chrissie Hynde materialized for a brief moment."

Eddie: "The solo was more sounds than lines. I ran the edge of my pick up and down the strings for some of those effects. I think I used my Echoplex in that song."

Hang 'Em High

Dave: "It's like all those Westerns where there's some kind of dissonant sound in the background. Like they'll have one harmonica that hits only one note - eeeeeeeeee - and that's when you know the hero is coming to town or something terrible is going to happen. And what happens is Edward will come up with a song or a riff and then immediately I'll hear it and I'll know right away what the scenario is."

Eddie: "The solo was just loose, fun, craziness. I play it better every night than I did on the record, but who cares? It has feeling. Actually that was a really old song."

Cathedral

Eddie: "I've been doing 'Cathedral' for over a year and I wanted to put it on record ... it sounds like a Catholic church organ, which is how it got its name. On that cut I use the volume knob a lot. If you turn it up and down too fast, it heats up and freezes. I did two takes of that song, and right at the end of the second take, the volume knob just froze, just stopped."

Secrets

Dave: "The nucleus of the lyrics come from greeting cards and get-well cards that I bought in Albequerque, New Mexico on the last tour, and they were written in the style of American Indian poetry. 'May your mocassins leave happy tracks in the summer snows'.

Eddie: "I used a Gibson doubleneck 12-string, the model Jimmy Page uses, and played with a flatpick. The solo in 'Secrets' was a first take. I kind of laid back, and it fit the song."

Dancing in the Streets

Dave: "It sounds like more than four people are playing, when in actuality there are almost zero overdubs - that's why it takes us such a short amount of time [to record]."

Eddie: "It takes almost as much time to make a cover song sound original as it does writing a song. I spent a lot of time arranging and playing synthesizer on 'Dancing in the Streets,' and they [critics] just wrote it off as, 'Oh, it's just like the original.' So forget the critics! These are good songs. Why shouldn't we redo them for the new generation of people?'

Little Guitars

Dave: "Edward was saying he'd just seen this TV show with a flamenco guy doing all these wonderful things with his fingers, and he says 'I've figured out how to do it with one pick, watch this.' And he faked it. And it sounded better than the original ... It sounded Mexican to me, so I wrote a song for senoritas."

Eddie: "I think that the best thing I do is cheat. I came up with the intro after I bought a couple of Carlos Montoya records. I was hearing his fingerpicking, going, 'My God, this guy is great. I can't do that.' So, I just listened to that style of music for a couple of days and I cheated! [Using a pick] I am doing trills on the high E and pull-offs with my left hand, and slapping my middle finger on the low E. If there's something I want to do and can't, I won't give up until I can figure out some way to make it sound similar to what I really can't do."

Big Bad Bill (Is Sweet William Now)

Dave: "I think it's a great song. And there has been this thread winding its way through all of Van Halen's music and all of our albums since beginning with 'Ice Cream Man'. I played acoustic guitar and songs like this for quite a while before I ever joined Van Halen. It's music. Why do I have to bang my head to every single song on every single album? I don't think the audience has that much lack of creativity or imagination."

Eddie: "It was Dave's idea to do 'Big Bad Bill'. He bought himself one of those Sanyo Walkman-type things with the FM-AM radio, and you can record off the radio if you like something you hear. He was up in his bedroom at his father's house and he found that if he stood in a certain spot and pointed his antenna a certain way, he picked up this weird radio station in Louisville, Kentucky. He recorded 'Big Bad Bill' and played it to us, and we started laughing ourselves silly and going, 'That is bad! Let's do it!' Dave suggested, 'Hey, we can get your old man to play the clarinet.' We said, 'sure.'

"It's so funny, because I couldn't play the song for you right now. I had to read because there were so many chords, I just couldn't remember it. So here's my father to the left of me, sitting on a chair with a music stand in front of him, and I'm sitting next to him with sheet music in a stand. Mike was there, too, playing like an acoustic guitar bass - the kind they have in Mexican restaurants where they come up, play in front of your face, and aggravate you. We had a great time. It looked like an old '30s or '40s session. I used some thick Gibson hollowbody with f-holes. My father hadn't played in a long time because he had lost his left-hand middle finger about ten years ago. He was nervous, and we told him, 'Jan, just have a good time. We make mistakes! That's what makes it real.' I love what he did, but he was thinking back ten years ago when he was smokin', playing jazz and stuff. He played exactly what we wanted."

Dave: "I think when you hear Mr. Van Halen playing, you'll have an idea it's a shadow of where Eddie and Alex are now. There's a sense of humour in there, a lot of technique and a whole lot of beer!"

The Full Bug

Dave: "You know when you have a cockroach and they run round the house and get into a corner? We used to have these shoes called PRFCs - Puerto Rican Fence Climbers, okay? And this was aptly titled because if you were running from the police or what have you, and you were wearing your PRFCs, you could hit the fence at a dead run and your foot would stay in and you could commence climbing immediately, which was the essence of the whole sport anyway. And these were also great shoes for when the cockroach moves into the corner and you get at it with your foot or the broom anymore. You just jam your toe into the corner and hit as hard as you can. And if you did it right you got the full bug. So this slang means - bammm! - you have to give it everything you've got. Make the maximum effort, do everything possible, get the full bug."

Eddie: "Dave plays the acoustic guitar and harmonica on the intro of 'The Full Bug.' My lines in the middle of that are different. I've been doing a lot of stuff with Allan Holdsworth, and he inspires me."

Happy Trails

Dave: "Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck, Sylvie! You wouldn't believe the number of TV commercials and radio jingles this band can sing in four-part harmony. I was nannied and weaned by TV- that's the babysitter around here when you're growing up, to sit in front of the tube. You turn into a vidiot. I remember all the commercials. We've been singing 'Happy Trails' for general airport use for years. And we wanted to do something wonderful and different for you."

[Panamark]

Man, I would love to hear Dave and Ed chatting away together as outlined above !

[dazzlindino]

Dave is average as a guitar player. But he doesn't need to be great, he just needs to be competent enough to accompany himself and write songs, and he is.

I posted this on another fan site, and thought it would fit in well here, Dave and Ed talk about Diver Down, enjoy:

Guitar Player (Dec. 1982)

Eddie: Recording Diver Down "was fun": "When we came off the Fair Warning tour last year [1981], we were going to take a break and spend a lot of time writing this and that. Dave came up with the idea of, 'Hey, why don't we start off the new year with just putting out a single?' He wanted to do 'Dancing in the Streets.' He gave me the original Martha Reeves & the Vandellas tape, and I listened to it and said, 'I can't get a handle on anything out of this song.' I couldn't figure out a riff, and you know the way I like to play: I always like to do a riff, as opposed to just hitting barre chords and strumming. So I said, 'Look, if you want to do a cover tune, why don't we do 'Pretty Woman'? It took one day. We went to Sunset Sound in L.A., recorded it, and it came out right after the first of the year. It started climbing the charts, so all of a sudden Warner Bros. is going, 'You got a hit single on your hands. We gotta have that record.' We said, 'Wait a minute, we just did that to keep us out there, so that people know we're still alive.' But they just kept pressuring, so we jumped right back in without any rest or time to recuperate from the tour, and started recording. We spent 12 days making the album ... it was a lot of fun." Interviewers Note: In addition to this, two of the original songs were around long before the album was made. "Hang 'Em High" can trace its roots back to the band's 1977 demos as "Last Night", which had the same music but different lyrics. "Cathedral" was also nothing new, being played in its current form throughout 1981 with earlier versions going back to 1980. Additionally, "Happy Trails" had been recorded for their 1977 demos as a joke.

Where Have all the Good Times Gone

Dave: "we're capable of playing six different [Kinks songs]. Because at one time, back in our bar days, I bought a double album from K-Tel or something that had 30 Kinks tunes on it. We learned all of one side and played them into the dirt during the club gigs, twice a night each one, because they sounded so good and they were great to dance to, etc., etc." He added that the band had never met Ray Davies but that "we had a seance once and tried to dredge up his spirit. And Chrissie Hynde materialized for a brief moment."

Eddie: "The solo was more sounds than lines. I ran the edge of my pick up and down the strings for some of those effects. I think I used my Echoplex in that song."

Hang 'Em High

Dave: "It's like all those Westerns where there's some kind of dissonant sound in the background. Like they'll have one harmonica that hits only one note - eeeeeeeeee - and that's when you know the hero is coming to town or something terrible is going to happen. And what happens is Edward will come up with a song or a riff and then immediately I'll hear it and I'll know right away what the scenario is."

Eddie: "The solo was just loose, fun, craziness. I play it better every night than I did on the record, but who cares? It has feeling. Actually that was a really old song."

Cathedral

Eddie: "I've been doing 'Cathedral' for over a year and I wanted to put it on record ... it sounds like a Catholic church organ, which is how it got its name. On that cut I use the volume knob a lot. If you turn it up and down too fast, it heats up and freezes. I did two takes of that song, and right at the end of the second take, the volume knob just froze, just stopped."

Secrets

Dave: "The nucleus of the lyrics come from greeting cards and get-well cards that I bought in Albequerque, New Mexico on the last tour, and they were written in the style of American Indian poetry. 'May your mocassins leave happy tracks in the summer snows'.

Eddie: "I used a Gibson doubleneck 12-string, the model Jimmy Page uses, and played with a flatpick. The solo in 'Secrets' was a first take. I kind of laid back, and it fit the song."

Dancing in the Streets

Dave: "It sounds like more than four people are playing, when in actuality there are almost zero overdubs - that's why it takes us such a short amount of time [to record]."

Eddie: "It takes almost as much time to make a cover song sound original as it does writing a song. I spent a lot of time arranging and playing synthesizer on 'Dancing in the Streets,' and they [critics] just wrote it off as, 'Oh, it's just like the original.' So forget the critics! These are good songs. Why shouldn't we redo them for the new generation of people?'

Little Guitars

Dave: "Edward was saying he'd just seen this TV show with a flamenco guy doing all these wonderful things with his fingers, and he says 'I've figured out how to do it with one pick, watch this.' And he faked it. And it sounded better than the original ... It sounded Mexican to me, so I wrote a song for senoritas."

Eddie: "I think that the best thing I do is cheat. I came up with the intro after I bought a couple of Carlos Montoya records. I was hearing his fingerpicking, going, 'My God, this guy is great. I can't do that.' So, I just listened to that style of music for a couple of days and I cheated! [Using a pick] I am doing trills on the high E and pull-offs with my left hand, and slapping my middle finger on the low E. If there's something I want to do and can't, I won't give up until I can figure out some way to make it sound similar to what I really can't do."

Big Bad Bill (Is Sweet William Now)

Dave: "I think it's a great song. And there has been this thread winding its way through all of Van Halen's music and all of our albums since beginning with 'Ice Cream Man'. I played acoustic guitar and songs like this for quite a while before I ever joined Van Halen. It's music. Why do I have to bang my head to every single song on every single album? I don't think the audience has that much lack of creativity or imagination."

Eddie: "It was Dave's idea to do 'Big Bad Bill'. He bought himself one of those Sanyo Walkman-type things with the FM-AM radio, and you can record off the radio if you like something you hear. He was up in his bedroom at his father's house and he found that if he stood in a certain spot and pointed his antenna a certain way, he picked up this weird radio station in Louisville, Kentucky. He recorded 'Big Bad Bill' and played it to us, and we started laughing ourselves silly and going, 'That is bad! Let's do it!' Dave suggested, 'Hey, we can get your old man to play the clarinet.' We said, 'sure.'

"It's so funny, because I couldn't play the song for you right now. I had to read because there were so many chords, I just couldn't remember it. So here's my father to the left of me, sitting on a chair with a music stand in front of him, and I'm sitting next to him with sheet music in a stand. Mike was there, too, playing like an acoustic guitar bass - the kind they have in Mexican restaurants where they come up, play in front of your face, and aggravate you. We had a great time. It looked like an old '30s or '40s session. I used some thick Gibson hollowbody with f-holes. My father hadn't played in a long time because he had lost his left-hand middle finger about ten years ago. He was nervous, and we told him, 'Jan, just have a good time. We make mistakes! That's what makes it real.' I love what he did, but he was thinking back ten years ago when he was smokin', playing jazz and stuff. He played exactly what we wanted."

Dave: "I think when you hear Mr. Van Halen playing, you'll have an idea it's a shadow of where Eddie and Alex are now. There's a sense of humour in there, a lot of technique and a whole lot of beer!"

The Full Bug

Dave: "You know when you have a cockroach and they run round the house and get into a corner? We used to have these shoes called PRFCs - Puerto Rican Fence Climbers, okay? And this was aptly titled because if you were running from the police or what have you, and you were wearing your PRFCs, you could hit the fence at a dead run and your foot would stay in and you could commence climbing immediately, which was the essence of the whole sport anyway. And these were also great shoes for when the cockroach moves into the corner and you get at it with your foot or the broom anymore. You just jam your toe into the corner and hit as hard as you can. And if you did it right you got the full bug. So this slang means - bammm! - you have to give it everything you've got. Make the maximum effort, do everything possible, get the full bug."

Eddie: "Dave plays the acoustic guitar and harmonica on the intro of 'The Full Bug.' My lines in the middle of that are different. I've been doing a lot of stuff with Allan Holdsworth, and he inspires me."

Happy Trails

Dave: "Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck, Sylvie! You wouldn't believe the number of TV commercials and radio jingles this band can sing in four-part harmony. I was nannied and weaned by TV- that's the babysitter around here when you're growing up, to sit in front of the tube. You turn into a vidiot. I remember all the commercials. We've been singing 'Happy Trails' for general airport use for years. And we wanted to do something wonderful and different for you."

Man that is awesome....Where have all the good times gone?
VH ...the humor the chops...the panache'
I remember reading this when it came out....still think Diver Down is an awesome album...In fact I work out to it every morning......
HaHa...he said work out....