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standin
09-11-2009, 05:33 PM
Thursday September 10, 2009, 11:11 pm EDT




MALIBU, Calif. (AP) -- A Wells Fargo & Co. executive who oversees foreclosed properties hosted parties and spent long summer weekends in a $12 million Malibu beach house, moving into the home just after it had been surrendered to Wells Fargo to satisfy debts, neighbors said.

The previous owners of the beachfront home in Malibu Colony -- a densely built stretch of luxury homes that has been a favorite of celebrities over the years -- were financially devastated in Bernard Madoff's massive fraud scheme, real estate agent Irene Dazzan-Palmer said.

The couple signed the property over to Wells Fargo last spring, and the bank subsequently denied requests to show the house to prospective buyers, Dazzan-Palmer said.

Residents in the gated community told the Los Angeles Times that a woman they believe was Cheronda Guyton took up occupancy at the home in May. Residents said they obtained Guyton's name from the community's guards, who had issued her a homeowner's parking pass.

Residents also wrote down the license plate number of a 2007 Volvo sport-utility vehicle they say was parked in the home's garage. A check of state motor vehicle license plates by the Times found the vehicle was registered to Guyton.

Guyton is a Wells Fargo senior vice president responsible for foreclosed commercial properties, resident Phillip Roman said.

"It's outrageous to take over a property like that, not make it available and then put someone from the bank in it," said Roman, who lives a few homes away from the property.

Residents said Guyton, along with her husband and two children, often hosted guests at the home, including a large party the last weekend of August. Malibu Colony is about 25 miles from downtown Los Angeles.

Wells Fargo said in a written statement that it would conduct a thorough investigation of the allegations by neighbors, but said it wouldn't "discuss specific team member situations/issues for privacy reasons."

Guyton's home number is unlisted, and attempts to reach her at her Los Angeles office after work hours were unsuccessful.

The bank's agreement with the prior owner required it to keep the home -- a 3,800-square-foot, two-story structure built in the early 1990s -- off the market for a period of time, Wells Fargo said in the statement. The bank said it planned to list the property for sale soon.

Neighbors: Exec. moved into bank-owned beach home - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Neighbors-Exec-moved-into-apf-818362254.html?x=0&.v=1)

The account of Ms. Guyton is a an excellent example of how a community can prevent fraud.

An anomaly was observed.
Data gathered.
Data presented.

It frustrates me knowing that in all likely hood, there was not an law enforcement agency to present the information for review of a crime or crimes committed.

Guyton should by all means be prosecuted for a crime, even if it is nothing more than a slew of misdemeanors. This needs to be marked on her record.

Wells Fargo needs to be held accountable for Guyton's behavior.

It is a conflict of interest to have a policy of allowing executives especially foreclosure executives to live in foreclosed homes or utilize commercial properties.

I think this is a very fine example of where the SEC, needs:

special agents,

field offices,
arresting powers
ease of access for the population.

jhale667
09-11-2009, 05:35 PM
This was all over the local news last night...the house is amazing, btw...

standin
09-11-2009, 05:45 PM
Is there any information on if actual charges can be brought against Guyton and/or Wells Fargo?


I haven't seen a picture of the house.

standin
09-11-2009, 05:51 PM
I did see a picture of Madeoff's beach house.

However, this being a different set of assets in connection to the crime.
In all rightness, it seems as if this home should be confiscated under the RICO act or property involved in crimes clause to be sold to help fund Madeoff's victim restitution.
I don't think the bank should have assets derived from a crime.

jhale667
09-11-2009, 06:44 PM
However, this being a different set of assets in connection to the crime.
In all rightness, it seems as if this home should be confiscated under the RICO act or property involved in crimes clause to be sold to help fund Madeoff's victim restitution.
I don't think the bank should have assets derived from a crime.

The house is valued at something like $12 mil...a drop in the Madeoff-bucket, so to speak, but I see your point...

Blackflag
09-12-2009, 12:36 AM
but I see your point...

I don't. It's not like Madoff was living in it. Wells Fargo owns the house, because the owner lost it. What difference does it make whether they live in it or sell it? Either way, it's their house. Bad PR for Wells Fargo, stupid thing to do...but illegal or unethical? Not in the least.

standin
09-12-2009, 04:50 AM
It was at very least a conflict of interest and a conflict of fiduciary duty.
Wells Fargo is not safe guarding the share holders assets.

The company should have had a segregation of duties. If Guyton was so bold as to throw lavish parties and use company assets as personal assets, then should would be comfortable committing other types of fraudulent activities. At very least her documents should be reviewed by a 3rd party for criminal activities.
Corrupt, unethical behavior and criminal behavior should not be over-looked. There is no reason to let a such a blatant "gived" case pass.


And when you stop counting pennies, or millions in this case, then that is ripe areas for fraud.

One case of fraud that netted the criminal a significant amount was simply absconding $0.005 and less from books.

To not account for multi million dollar properties is a grievous breach of fiduciary duty.

It is not Wells Fargo properties alone. It is the share holders.

Blackie,
Are you saying all share holders of bank properties can do what they wish with Wells Fargo's properties?

Blackflag
09-12-2009, 01:07 PM
Guyton is not a shareholder. It is Wells Fargo's property alone. There is no conflict of interest. etc.

Nitro Express
09-12-2009, 01:21 PM
Wells Fargo is a lousy bank. They were an absolute bitch to deal with after my brother died and I had to deal with his estate. They started charging a $20 per month fee on a business account I had due to lack of activity. Then the investment club account we had with them had money withdrew coming to find it was the debit card of a club members private account who also was a signer on the clubs account. In other words, they had no money in their account so Well Fargo dipped into the clubs account because that person was a co-signer. Unbelievable. Those accounts are sepparate, and the club account requires the signature of the president and another signing member to withdraw money and had no debit card. This is the world of Wells Fargo.

standin
09-12-2009, 01:42 PM
Guyton is not a shareholder. It is Wells Fargo's property alone. There is no conflict of interest. etc.

How do you know Guyton did not have any stock option?

Hell, even Enron gave stock to their general employees.

Nitro Express
09-12-2009, 01:51 PM
How do you know Guyton did not have any stock option?

Hell, even Enron gave stock to their general employees.

Who cares if they are a stock holder or not? Hell, the US taxpayer bailout that lousy bank out and saved it's sorry broke ass. That bank has the responsibility to sell that home ASAP which plenty of people in the world would still be interested in.

yah
09-12-2009, 01:56 PM
naughty, naughty Cheronda...

Blackflag
09-12-2009, 05:16 PM
How do you know Guyton did not have any stock option?

Hell, even Enron gave stock to their general employees.

You're confused. What difference does it make if she had stock? Foremost, she's an officer of the company. So if you want to claim something was illegal, you have to start there.

Blackflag
09-12-2009, 05:18 PM
Who cares if they are a stock holder or not? Hell, the US taxpayer bailout that lousy bank out and saved it's sorry broke ass. That bank has the responsibility to sell that home ASAP which plenty of people in the world would still be interested in.

Sure, they should sell it, if nothing from a PR perspective. But illegal if they don't? No conceivable way. And that the previous owner was a Madoff victim is completely irrelevant.

standin
09-12-2009, 09:23 PM
I don't. It's not like Madoff was living in it. Wells Fargo owns the house, because the owner lost it. What difference does it make whether they live in it or sell it? Either way, it's their house. Bad PR for Wells Fargo, stupid thing to do...but illegal or unethical? Not in the least.


It was at very least a conflict of interest and a conflict of fiduciary duty.
Wells Fargo is not safe guarding the share holders assets.

The company should have had a segregation of duties. If Guyton was so bold as to throw lavish parties and use company assets as personal assets, then should would be comfortable committing other types of fraudulent activities. At very least her documents should be reviewed by a 3rd party for criminal activities.
Corrupt, unethical behavior and criminal behavior should not be over-looked. There is no reason to let a such a blatant "gived" case pass.

And when you stop counting pennies, or millions in this case, then that is ripe areas for fraud.

One case of fraud that netted the criminal a significant amount was simply absconding $0.005 and less from books.

To not account for multi million dollar properties is a grievous breach of fiduciary duty.

It is not Wells Fargo properties alone. It is the share holders.

Blackie,
Are you saying all share holders of bank properties can do what they wish with Wells Fargo's properties?


Guyton is not a shareholder. It is Wells Fargo's property alone. There is no conflict of interest. etc.


You're confused. What difference does it make if she had stock? Foremost, she's an officer of the company. So if you want to claim something was illegal, you have to start there.

Who is Wells Fargo, Blackie?

GAR
09-12-2009, 09:46 PM
stupid thing to do...but illegal or unethical? Not in the least.

I think it was a smart thing to do, because she's black.

It kinda shakes up those fucking Jews here in the neighborhood that my asshole neighbor doesn't like! :biggrin:

And it's only illegal if she fails to list an equitable value for her weekends on her taxes.. I mean it looks to me like a fair perk for performance, so who cares?

Occupying a foreclosed home has its' own curses, but so do pawnshop guitars: whattya gonna do.. meh sowwatt

Nitro Express
09-13-2009, 01:27 PM
Sure, they should sell it, if nothing from a PR perspective. But illegal if they don't? No conceivable way. And that the previous owner was a Madoff victim is completely irrelevant.

You pretty much nailed down a huge problem today. People think that just because it's legal it's ethical. I see this all the time in business. You can fuck over people in legal ways and everyone thinks this is fine as long as it won't get you in trouble in court. So this way of thinking is what brought our society to what it is. It's not whether it's right or wrong, it's whether you are going to get caught.

Blackflag
09-13-2009, 02:44 PM
You pretty much nailed down a huge problem today. People think that just because it's legal it's ethical. I see this all the time in business. You can fuck over people in legal ways and everyone thinks this is fine as long as it won't get you in trouble in court. So this way of thinking is what brought our society to what it is. It's not whether it's right or wrong, it's whether you are going to get caught.

But that's also a double-edged sword. Other people have the idea that ethics are the same as morality or fairness, and people should just have an internal sense of what's ethical or not. That's not true, either. There are fairly precise definitions of what's ethical and what isn't.

Things can be legal, but unethical. Things can also be amoral, but ethical. In this case, it's neither illegal or unethical.

And it's still irrelevant that the previous owner was a Madoff victim.

standin
09-13-2009, 10:44 PM
Though Blackie, it does matter that asset was bought with stolen goods.
It is called conversion.
The receiving of stolen properties is a crime.
It does not matter if you know or not.
It is called receiving stolen goods.


There are so many examples; I do not even know which one to give.

However, here it is in a nut shell.

Goods were stolen. Stolen goods were converted or laundered.
It does not matter if or if not the person knew they were taking part in a crime.
The crime was occurring.

Madeoff's scheme is like a nuclear bomb of the financial sector.

You cannot just rip up all of the earth that was affected by his toxic assets.
They have to be evaluated for toxicity. It is best in some cases to let the toxic just work its way through the earth.
In other areas, the toxic goods should be removed simply because it is easily removed.


Madeoff's crime was a crime against humanity . In addition, those types of crimes are challenging and complex when humanity is attempting to recover from them.

Blackflag
09-13-2009, 11:04 PM
Ok. Hmm. I'm not sure how to respond to this, given the new information about your gender that has come to light.

See, Madoff (presumably) stole money from the homeowners. I don't know what we bought with that money. Maybe a nice car or a trip to Bali.

The house wasn't bought with stolen funds. In fact, the house was bought from the previous owner by Wells Fargo using its own cash. And it had nothing to do with Madoff or stolen funds.

So I think you're confused, and that's the nicest way I can put it. I think you're confusing Madoff's house with the victim's house.

Blackflag
09-13-2009, 11:08 PM
Madeoff's crime was a crime against humanity .

I also think you're confusing financial fraud with genocide... :umm:

bueno bob
09-14-2009, 12:16 AM
I also think you're confusing financial fraud with genocide... :umm:

In Madoff's case, it's a pretty fucking thin line.

PLEASE try and defend him now...

GAR
09-14-2009, 12:31 AM
It's not whether it's right or wrong, it's whether you are going to get caught.

That's called "lawyerball".

standin
09-14-2009, 12:38 AM
Do you think only genocide is a crime against humanity?

Do you think humanity is limited to one race?

Vast amounts of people will be affected by Madeoff's crime, many for generations.

The amount of people that lost their lives due to Madeoff’s crime against humanity is vast.

The bank's profited from Madeoff schemes and should be included in the claw backs


Charities may face Madoff liabilities

NEW YORK - Irving Picard, the liquidator for Bernard Madoff’s investment business, said charities that lost money in the fraud aren’t automatically off the hook when it comes to recovering their fake profit.
Charities may face Madoff liabilities - The Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/09/01/charities_may_face_madoff_liabilities/)



So a number of foundations and endowed nonprofits, to the extent that the information is available even now, lost most or all of their assets, or better put, lost most of the tax exempt funds entrusted by the American public to them, according to these early publicized estimates (this list doesn’t include nonprofits that will suffer because of the grants they will lost from these shrunken or closed foundations):


The JEHT Foundation (closed)
The Robert I. Lappin Charitable Foundation (closed)
The Chais Family Foundation (closed)
The Los Angeles Jewish Community Fund (out $25.5m)
Fairfield Town Employees Board and Police and Fire Board (out $41.9m)
The Carl and Ruth Shapiro Family Foundation (out $145m)
The Technion-Israel Institute of Technology ($6m)
The UJA Federation of New York (”significant hit”)
The North Shore-Long Island Jewish Health System Foundation (out $5.7m)
Yeshiva University (out $110m, 10% of its endowment; Madoff was a trustee there, and the money was invested with Madoff through a hedge fund controlled by another Yeshiva trustee)
Tufts University ($20m)
Gottesman Family Foundation
Betty and Norman F. Levy Foundation
Picower Foundation (closed, out $955m)
The Fair Food Foundation
New York Law School ($3m through Ascot partners, being sued for “wrongful conduct”)
Elie Wiesel’s Foundation for Humanity ($15.2m)
The Ramaz School (out $6m)
Children of Chernobyl
Charles and Candice Nadler Family Foundation
Phileona Foundation
Robert M. Beren Foundation
the foundation of New York Daily News and US News and World Report owner Mort umer Zuckerman ($30m)
Julian J. Levitt Foundation ($6m)
family foundation of Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Stephen Spielberg’s Wunderkinder Foundation
family foundations of Fred Wilpon (New York Mets owner)
Massachusetts state pension fund (out $12m)
the charitable trusts of Avram and Carol Goldberg (money from the Stop & Shop supermarket chain)
The Bernard L and Ruth Madoff Foundation (presumably its $19m is also gone)
Of course, they really don’t know exactly how much they lost, since they were relying on Madoff’s representations of the value of their investments. Already, some of the charities and foundations are revising their losses downward, realizing that their estimates of the value of their endowments were based on Bernie’s estimates of earnings, now exposed as Ponzi-illusory.

The Cohen Report: Lessons for Charities and Foundations from Bernie Madoff (http://www.nonprofitquarterly.org/cohenreport/2009/01/03/lessons-for-charities-and-foundations-from-bernie-madoff/)

Therefore, only charities and individuals should be subjected o the claw back.
The banks should not profit from Madeoff's crime, either. That home is profit from the Madeoff crimes. Crimes against humanity
.




Madoff Liquidator May ‘Claw Back’ Charities’ Profits (Update1)
Sept. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Irving Picard, the liquidator for Bernard Madoff’s investment business, said he might sue charities that took out more money than they invested with the imprisoned con man to force them to return the difference.

The law requires him to file so-called clawback suits against investors that profited from the fraud at Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, even if they weren’t aware of his $65 billion Ponzi scheme, Picard said yesterday. Charities aren’t exempt from such “avoidance actions,” he said.

Madoff Liquidator May ‘Claw Back’ Charities’ Profits (Update1) - Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=azCKA1yuc6sg)


Madoff-Linked Funds Sue Insurers Over Liability Costs (Update3
Aug. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Tremont Group Holdings Inc. and other feeder funds to Bernard Madoff’s defunct investment advisory business sued insurers including a CNA Financial Corp. unit for failing to cover Madoff-related litigation.

Tremont, a fund of funds based in Rye, New York, that had about $3.3 billion invested with Madoff, an affiliate of OppenheimerFunds Inc., is a unit of MassMutual Financial Group. Investors have filed more than 18 lawsuits against MassMutual seeking to recoup Madoff-related losses.
Madoff-Linked Funds Sue Insurers Over Liability Costs (Update3) - Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20603037&sid=aIZ8_mKEujqk)


Madeoff did what no other terrorist organization (criminal extortion rings) has accomplished, global meltdown.


Brazil's Safra says Madoff costs may hit $40 mln
SAO PAULO, March 11 (Reuters) - Brazilian banking group Safra said on Wednesday it has made offers to an undisclosed number of clients who lost money in the alleged Ponzi scheme run by financier Bernard Madoff and that the majority agreed to settle.

The cost of the settlements with clients in the Zeus hedge fund may reach as much as $40 million, a Safra spokesman in New York said without disclosing the number of people affected.

"The Safra banks have made proposals to clients with respect to Zeus Fund," the spokesman said. "Safra has stated that its proposals are being well received by clients and the majority already have agreed.

Safra said last month it had no funds invested with Madoff and had no credit exposure to the disgraced financier. However, it did say it had purchased products sold by Madoff at the request of private banking clients.

Dozens of Brazilian investors with accounts at Safra, Spain's Santander SA (SAN.MC) and Brazil's Itau ITAU4.SAITU.N have lost money in the Madoff scheme, according to lawyers representing them. (Reporting by Elzio Barreto and Todd Benson; Editing by Andre Grenon)

Brazil's Safra says Madoff costs may hit $40 mln | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssBanks/idUSN1154574820090311)

Madoff Costs Wells $294m

Loan defaults by Wells Fargo wealth management clients invested in Bernard Madoff's alleged $50 billion Ponzi scheme accounted for almost 12% of Wells Fargo's reported $2.55 billion fourth-quarter losses.

The San Francisco bank's wealth management arm is the first of its peers to link losses to Madoff. Those loan defaults account for $294 million. Other U.S. banks have been tight-lipped about their Madoff losses, but European giant Royal Bank of Scotland and Paribas each have $450 million exposure. Fortis, the Belgian bank, could lose up to $1.3 billion as a result of client investments with Madoff. And Santander, the largest bank in the Euro zone is reimbursing clients with Madoff's losses €500 million ($639.6 million) in preferred stock that includes an added 2% dividend.


Madoff Costs Wells $294m (http://www.bankinvestmentconsultant.com/bic_issues/2009_3/madoff-costs-wells-294m2661103-1.html)

That is a huge sector of recoverable funds.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/BernardMadoff.jpg

That is the man whose total disregard of of humanity let men, woman, and children die by claiming he was not a poison well.
He in fact was a poison well and knew it.
You are spreading disinformation if you say that the cost of his operation did not cause hundreds of thousands if not millions of humanity to suffer and uncounted die directly related to his poison well.

Blackflag
09-14-2009, 01:09 AM
In Madoff's case, it's a pretty fucking thin line.

PLEASE try and defend him now...

I'm not defending anybody. I'm just pointing out the obvious - that defrauding millionaires out of cash based on promises that were too good to be true is nowhere even remotely comparable to genocide. Anybody who disagrees has lost perspective and needs to spend less time on The Facebook and more time in the real world.

And I will again point out that this whole issue is irrelevant to what Wells Fargo does with its foreclosed houses.

standin
09-14-2009, 01:15 AM
What just because one race was not affected, that harming the whole world is not a crime of humanity?

How you cannot see him for what he is is beyond me, Other than you are of his sort.
You are the one that needs to get off his ivory tower and get some nobility in your soul.

It is not any house, it is a house derived from Madeoff's criminal activities and nuclear fallout in the financial sector of humanity.

Blackflag
09-14-2009, 01:23 AM
What just because one race was not affected, that harming the whole world is not a crime of humanity?

:confused13: :confused12:



You are the one that needs to get off his ivory tower and get some nobility in your soul.

Nobility? What?

You think it makes you "noble" to put financial fraud in the same category as the "crimes against humanity," i.e. genocide, torture, apartheid, etc.?

You're confused: it's the "nobility" that lost their cash. And you're not "noble."

Does it make me cry when millionaires lose some cash trying to beat the system and getting fucked? Yeah, I'm fucking dying over here. I'm trying to cut my wrists right now. Especially for the people living in the $12 MILLION DOLLAR OCEANFRONT HOUSE who got screwed. Maybe I should send them a donation so they don't have to sell their Bentley.

BTW - Madoff and his victims still has fuck all to do with what Wells Fargo does with its foreclosed houses.

standin
09-14-2009, 01:54 AM
You do not know what nobility is. You confuse nobility with monetary status.

You, also, do not care for the vast amount of losses that are of the downtrodden.

You think the means justifies the ends.

That everyone associated with the crime that has wealth was trying to beat the system, furthermore that simply because they have wealth they should be punished for having wealth.

No, nobility is not a monetary standing. Nobility is not a bloodline. Nobility is a way of life.
A way of life no matter if you are; burdened with wealth of possessions or burdened with dearth of possessions.

standin
09-14-2009, 01:56 AM
What just because one race was not affected, that harming the whole world is not a crime of humanity?

How you cannot see him for what he is is beyond me, Other than you are of his sort.
You are the one that needs to get off his ivory tower and get some nobility in your soul.

It is not any house, it is a house derived from Madeoff's criminal activities and nuclear fallout in the financial sector of humanity.


:confused13: :confused12:



Nobility? What?

You think it makes you "noble" to put financial fraud in the same category as the "crimes against humanity," i.e. genocide, torture, apartheid, etc.?

You're confused: it's the "nobility" that lost their cash. And you're not "noble."

Does it make me cry when millionaires lose some cash trying to beat the system and getting fucked? Yeah, I'm fucking dying over here. I'm trying to cut my wrists right now. Especially for the people living in the $12 MILLION DOLLAR OCEANFRONT HOUSE who got screwed. Maybe I should send them a donation so they don't have to sell their Bentley.

BTW - Madoff and his victims still has fuck all to do with what Wells Fargo does with its foreclosed houses.

:wave:

GAR
09-14-2009, 12:03 PM
You do not know what nobility is.

Nobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility)

"Nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally hereditary, but which may also be personal only."

Igosplut
09-14-2009, 12:33 PM
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You do not know what nobility is.


Nobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility)

"Nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally hereditary, but which may also be personal only."

No he doesn't, but the internet knows for him.

If all these internet info sites crashed GARgle wouldn't get past a three-word post....

GAR
09-14-2009, 12:42 PM
Posted for the benefit of those like you Igo who wusn't teached the Dictionary in the schoolroom.

Master Yoda
09-14-2009, 01:05 PM
This page like smoking some of Dagoba's best weed it is. Hmmppph. Words can have meanings alternative to that found in the dictionary? Who knew?

standin
09-14-2009, 05:05 PM
Nobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility)

"Nobility is a state-privileged status which is generally hereditary, but which may also be personal only."


No he doesn't, but the internet knows for him.

If all these internet info sites crashed GARgle wouldn't get past a three-word post....

That is true he does not know. Maybe it is something you are born with, maybe it is not just a lifestyle choice.

If you have to ask, you aren't one, type thing
Or maybe, not being able to be noble is the Cain stain, to cover the face and not see, left to wonder aimlessly. Those of the lost.

It is best to overlook them and have pity on them,
Like a mangy wild dog.:umm:

Dave's Dradle
09-14-2009, 06:34 PM
The irony is, that even though many of those charities are large enough to require to be audited by an independent CPA, due to audit procedures generally accepted in the United States, the theft of funds would not have been found.

standin
09-15-2009, 12:26 AM
yea, that is true.
It was the donut shop mentality of the SEC that really let Madeoff through with his suicide financial bomb. The security guard at a gated community mentality.
I hope that some smart lawyers sue the living pants off of the SEC and include serious policy change starting with arresting powers for the SEC. I have a feeling the SEC honchos knew exactly what they were doing letting Madeoff through with his destructive intentions.
Madeoff is a terrorist and a threat not only to national security but to world security.

Blackflag
09-15-2009, 12:29 AM
You can't sue the SEC, and they can't be arrested because you don't like them.

Damn, are you sure you have a vagina??

standin
09-15-2009, 01:05 AM
Yea, Blackie I do, you. You are the resident vaginae and penis. Your (this) veil does not hide that fact.


Who are "they"? ohhh the "they". They they ohhh they! It is a they! Big and mysterious, small and endurable.

So...
What they are you speaking of in your haphazardly composed thought.

Blackflag
09-15-2009, 01:07 AM
Prove it.

standin
09-15-2009, 01:16 AM
Prove what? That You are the resident vaginae and penis thinly veiled, moreover owned by me?

You just proved it. :yankeeros:patriot:

standin
09-15-2009, 08:03 AM
:)


NEW YORK/LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Wells Fargo & Co (NYSE:WFC - News) has fired a senior vice president after investigating reports she held lavish parties at a foreclosed beachfront Malibu house owned by the bank.

The fourth-largest U.S. bank said in a statement on Monday that it had terminated one employee, senior vice president Cheronda Guyton, who it found had violated its policies.

"We deeply regret the activities that have taken place as they do not reflect the conduct we expect of our team members," the bank said in the statement.

Wells Fargo, which received $25 billion in government bailout money last October, was criticized earlier this year for planning events at upscale Las Vegas hotels for top mortgage employees. It said in February that it did not plan any more of these "recognition events" this year. It said at the time that such events were part of its culture, and that it believes in rewarding hard-working team members.

Guyton, who had been responsible for Wells Fargo's foreclosed commercial properties, used the 3,800-square-foot beachfront house on Malibu Colony Drive on weekends for parties, one of which had guests arriving on a yacht, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing neighbors.

Wells Fargo fires exec over Malibu house scandal - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Wells-Fargo-fires-exec-over-rb-2618426157.html?x=0&.v=2)